Karen I would like to thank you as well, I watch your entries with anticipation....smile One of these days........smile, mine will be there. Like them I have what is known as "itchy" feet and have moved around and around and around.....my relatives say that my different phone numbers take up two whole pages in their addy books.....smile...stroke...she has another one...moved again.... I think my MacDonalds must have been quite the same way....dont blink your eyes or they will just disappear......smile ty again Karen Cathy

Lynn - I found it most interesting that you own a piece of land that once belonged to the Calders. James Calder and wife Johanne McKay were my husband's great-uncle and -aunt. They showed up in the Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada, 1881 census and then migrated to Winnipeg where James died in 1882. Johanne stayed there and died in 1928. Do you know any history of the property you now own? I believe that James' father John lived on Lot 18. I know that some of John's children stayed in the Oxford Co. area as they are buried in N. Embro Cemetery and Kintore Cemetery. Perhaps they would have continued to farm on Lots 18 and 20. We are most interested in James and Johanne but would be happy to have information about the rest of the family, too. >From your e-mail address, I am guessing you live in Oxford Co. My husband's grandfather owned the hardware store in Embro, and the building still stands today with his name on the side. Regards, Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus

Peter - Sorry I don't have any information on the Clearances. I looked for McRaes in the N. Embro Cemetery transcript and found none. Perhaps Lynn will find them in the Oxford Co. publication. What a small world, running into someone named Ross Tulloch. My husband is from Toronto but I must sign off as currently Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter McRae <[email protected]> To: bgeddes <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] re: Caulders > Diane and Lynn, > Your Calder information is remarkably familiar to that of my McRaes. > Alexander McRae was also born in Parish Creich, abt.1786. He married Annie > (Nancy) McKay of Doola in Lairg on Dec 22,1820 and had 4 or 5 children while > a tenant at Tulloch between 1822 and 1831, before emigrating to Pictou,NS in > abt.1831. > > Is there anything in your research that might shed any light on Tulloch and > the Clearances during this timeframe ? Also are there any McRaes in the > Sutherland's county of Oxford publication ? > > As an interesting aside, I was interviewiing someone yesterday for a job and > his name was Tulloch. Turns out his middle name is MacRae ! His family was > from Ross-shire. We're going to follow up to determine any connections. > > Regards, > Peter McRae in Toronto, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: bgeddes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Fw: [SUT] re: Caulders > > > > James the plasterer is likely our James, son of John Calder (b. 1801 > Creich) > > and Margret McLeod (b. abt. 1802 Creich) who married in 1825 in Tulloch. > > James Alexander Calder was the fifth of their children, born in 1832. > James > ______________________________ >

Diane and Lynn, Your Calder information is remarkably familiar to that of my McRaes. Alexander McRae was also born in Parish Creich, abt.1786. He married Annie (Nancy) McKay of Doola in Lairg on Dec 22,1820 and had 4 or 5 children while a tenant at Tulloch between 1822 and 1831, before emigrating to Pictou,NS in abt.1831. Is there anything in your research that might shed any light on Tulloch and the Clearances during this timeframe ? Also are there any McRaes in the Sutherland's county of Oxford publication ? As an interesting aside, I was interviewiing someone yesterday for a job and his name was Tulloch. Turns out his middle name is MacRae ! His family was from Ross-shire. We're going to follow up to determine any connections. Regards, Peter McRae in Toronto, Canada -----Original Message----- From: bgeddes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: [SUT] re: Caulders > James the plasterer is likely our James, son of John Calder (b. 1801 Creich) > and Margret McLeod (b. abt. 1802 Creich) who married in 1825 in Tulloch. > James Alexander Calder was the fifth of their children, born in 1832. James ______________________________

Malcolm, I'm very grateful to you for that reference --- I found nothing in any of the on-line information from the NAS, and, following the clever suggestion of a certain well-known person on the list (who shall be nameless), I was about to write to the great man Al Fayed himself! Many thanks, Sara Cardiff, Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Balnagown Estate records > ********************************************************************** ******* > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > ********************************************************************** ******* > > Balnagown Papers: GD129 in the National Archives of Scotland. They are very > badly organised and very poorly catalogued. They separate into 2 sections - > very roughly pre and post 1800 (but that is not a hard and fast rule). > > Extracts appeared in McGill, Old Ross-shire and Scotland (2 vols about 1909 > and 1911) but many of the papers laboriously transcribed by Mr McGill cannot > now be found. > > Malcolm > -----Original Message----- > From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 07 October 2002 09:10 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Balnagown Estate records > > Does anyone know where these records are? I haven't been > able to find > them so far in the ovious Edinburgh archives. > Sara > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE > INTERNET. > > On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by > the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied > exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. > > GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm > for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT > helpdesk. > > > > ******************************************************************* > This email has been received from an external party and > has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. > > ******************************************************************* > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Malcolm, I'm very grateful for your correction --- my grandfather's account was obviously inaccurate. He never met his grandfather, and learnt of this episode in his life on a visit in 1909 to Tain and Ardcronie, Kincardine, where his grandfather had a farm on retirement from the army: "Our grandfather [James Mackenzie] was a man of note in his time, and left a good name behind him in the neighbourhood. He is remembered about Ardcronie as a soldier, and his command of the Militia at the evictions of the Duchess of Sutherland's crofters in Culrain, a few miles west [sic] of Ardcronie, was all the service he had [in the Militia]." (He fought at the battle of Vinegar Hill, in Ireland, in his earlier army career.) My grandfather met an old man of 96 who, when asked if he remembered the Adjutant, replied."Aye, well! I shaved him and prepared him for his burial." James died in 1844 aged 74. Could it be that all the ills were even then being heaped on the head of the Countess, and are there any accounts of the evictions at Culrain? Sara Cardiff, Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Sad > ********************************************************************** ******* > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > ********************************************************************** ******* > > I am interested in the account of what I presume is about the 1820 riots - > but on the Munro estate of Culrain - not owned by the then Countess of > Sutherland. > > Unlike other landlords, the Countess did not turn out people without > offering them somewhere to go - whether they accepted is another matter. > > Malcolm > Dundee, Scotland

same format as 1856 deaths from yesterday Angus SUTHERLAND, single; Dec 13 1856 at Strath Melness; M; 24; Donald SUTHERLAND, farmer; mother nor recorded; consumption 2 yrs; Ferry House Burial; Donald SUTHERLAND, father. 1867 deaths Robert McKAY, joiner, single; Jan 9 at Blan?; M; 23; Robert McKAY, joiner; Johan McLEOD; typhus fever, 5 weeks; Tongue Burial; Robert McKAY, father. Hugh NICOL, tenant, widower; Jan 10 at Dalcharn; M; 88; William NICOL, tenant, deceased; no mother listed; general dibility; Tongue Burial; William REID, son-in-law. Jamemma McKay ROSS, single; Feb 18 at Kirkiboll; F; 9 months; John ROSS, farmer; Euphemia McKAY; inflamation of the lungs 8 days; Tongue Burial; Robert McKAY, uncle. Ann McKAY, single; Mar 5; Skinnid, Melness; F; 95; Donald McKAY, farmer, deceased; Janet McKAY; unknown; Ferry House Burial; Janet McLEOD, neighbor. Donald McKAY, married; Mar 16 at Slettal; M; 60; William McKAY, deceased; Janet [maiden name not stated]; Aneurism of the abdominal aorta, 9 months; Torrisdale Burial; Hector McKAY, brother. Christina McKAY, single; Mar 23 at Ribigill; F; 75; George McKAY, deceased; Janet McKAY, deceased; general dibility; Kinloch[k] Burial; Georgina McKAY, niece. Janet McLEOD, single; Apr 2; Strath, Melness; F; 64; Donald McLEOD, deceased; Ann [no maiden name provided]; a fall; Ferry House Burial; Hugh McLEOD, brother. Janet McKAY, married; Apr 10 at Coldbacky; F; 84; Neil Matheson, deceased; Catherine [no maiden name provided], deceased; general dibility; Tongue Burial; Alexander McKAY, neighbor. Grace Ross McLEOD, single; Apr 3; Kirkiboll; F; 3 months; William McLEOD, merchant; Ann Gordon McKAY; tabes mesentenea?, 3 weeks; Tongue Burial; William McLEOD, father. Margaret McKAY, single; Apr 16, Clashbain, Skerray; F; 77; Donald McKay, deceased; Jane [no maiden name provided]; general dibility; Torrisdale Burial; Donald Bannerman, neighbor. Hugh GUNN, married; Apr 10, Strathen, Melness; M; 74; Angus GUNN, deceased; Ann McKAY, deceased; general dibility; Ferry House Burial; Adam Stewart, nephew. Angus McKENZIE; Apr 18; Tubeg, Skerray; M; 19 months; John McKENZIE, tailor; Alexandrina GUNN; tabel mesonterica?, 3 weeks; Torrisdale Burial; John McKENZIE, father. Ann McDONALD, married; Apr 27, Skinnid, Melness; F; 85; Alexander McDONALD, deceased; Marrion [no maiden name provided], deceased; general dibility 1 yr; Ferry House Burial; Dougld GOW, son. Hugh McKAY, single; May 19 at Tongue Ferry; M; 22; Hugh McKAY, labourer; Christina MURRAY; drowned; Tongue Burial; Angus MURRAY, uncle. Andrew MUNRO, tailor, single; May 14; Skinnid, Melness; M; 80; John MUNRO, deceased; no mother listed; General dibility; Ferry House Burial; Alexander McKAY, neighbor. Catherine McKAY, married; May 25, Skinnid, Melness; F; 60; George McKAY, deceased; Isabella McKAY; general dibility; Ferry House Burial; WIlliam McKAY, nephew. Christina McKAY, married; Jun 18 at Braetongue; F; 35; Charles MANSON, farmer, deceased; Barbara MCKAY; lumber abscess rising from scrofulous affection of spine, 3 yrs; Tongue Burial; John McKAY, husband. Donald McKAY, widower; Apr 19 at Melness; M; 82; Jon McKAY, deceased; Marren McKAY, deceased; general dibility; Ferry House Burial; Donald MacKAY [no relationship provided]. Henny McDONALD, widow, pauper; Jul 13, TUbeg, Skerray; F; 74; no parents listed; general dibility; Ferry House Burial; John H. McKENSIE, inspector of the poor. George Gow McKAY, widower; Aug 27 at Dalcharn; M; 69; John McKAY, ground officer, deceased; Barbara McLEOD, deceased; enteritis, 14 days; Tongue Burial; John McKAY, son. Dorothy McKENZIE, pauper; Sep 18 at Deanside; F; 50; Donald McKENZIE, deceased; Catherine McKAY; unknown; Tongue Burial; Eric McKENZIE, brother. William SUTHERLAND, Sep 17, Braetongue, M; 7 days; John SUTHERLAND; Donaldina McKAY; unknown, TOngue Burial; Charles McKAY, grandfather. Alexander McKAY; Nov 7, Braetongue; M; 14; John McKAY, mason; Christina McKAY; dropsy, 60 days; Tongue Burial; John McKAY, father. Hugh McKAY, Nov 21 at Tubeg, Skerray; M; 20; John McKAY, boat carpenter; Mary CAMPBELL; Phthysis pulmonalis ?, 18 months; Torrisdale Burial; John MacKAY, father. Ann McKAY, married; Nov 29, Strathen, Skerray, F; 63; George McKAY, tenant, deceased; Christina McKAY, deceased; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; unreadable, neighbor. Robert McKENZIE; Nov 29 at Braetongue; M; 5 months; George McKENZIE, merchant; Merran McKAY; unknown, Tongue Burial; George McKENZIE, father. John MUNRO, married; Dec 8, Strath, Melness; M; 44; Angus MUNRO, weaver; Margaret MUNRO; Hepatitus, 6 wks; Ferry House Burial; Hugh McLEOD, father-in-law. Hope these help someone. Karen Kahaluu, Oahu, Hawaii

You are most welcome. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Nicoll [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 08 October 2002 12:19 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticae Christine, you're a star! Thank you very much for your help. Regards Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticae > Elaine > Rev Lewis Rose, native of Nairn-shire (modern Moray) > minister of Nigg, Ross-shire, 1819-1836 > Duke Street Gaelic Chapel, Glasgow, 1836-1843 > Kincardine, Ross-shire (Ardgay) 1843 > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002

Christine, you're a star! Thank you very much for your help. Regards Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticae > Elaine > Rev Lewis Rose, native of Nairn-shire (modern Moray) > minister of Nigg, Ross-shire, 1819-1836 > Duke Street Gaelic Chapel, Glasgow, 1836-1843 > Kincardine, Ross-shire (Ardgay) 1843 > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Balnagown Papers: GD129 in the National Archives of Scotland. They are very badly organised and very poorly catalogued. They separate into 2 sections - very roughly pre and post 1800 (but that is not a hard and fast rule). Extracts appeared in McGill, Old Ross-shire and Scotland (2 vols about 1909 and 1911) but many of the papers laboriously transcribed by Mr McGill cannot now be found. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 October 2002 09:10 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Balnagown Estate records Does anyone know where these records are? I haven't been able to find them so far in the ovious Edinburgh archives. Sara ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** I am interested in the account of what I presume is about the 1820 riots - but on the Munro estate of Culrain - not owned by the then Countess of Sutherland. Unlike other landlords, the Countess did not turn out people without offering them somewhere to go - whether they accepted is another matter. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 October 2002 22:23 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Sad I've just learnt from an account by my (maternal)Mackenzie grandfather that his grandfather James commanded the militia involved in the evictions of the Duchess of Sutherland's crofters at Culrain. Just down the road was my paternal 3xgt grandfather (Gray) and his Mackenzie wife --- poor crofters who probably had friends in Culrain..... I feel very sad. Sara

I wonder if there are any list members related or connected to General James MURRAY? He was the British force's second in command at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, a 15-minute encounter that delivered North America to the British. A year later, on Sep 8, 1760, Murray was appointed the first Governor General of Canada. Piper Elizabeth Murray, age 12, will play Scotland the Brave for the Queen today during her visit to Winnipeg. General Murray is Elizabeth's 5X great grandfather. Pat Winnipeg Canada

> James the plasterer is likely our James, son of John Calder (b. 1801 Creich) > and Margret McLeod (b. abt. 1802 Creich) who married in 1825 in Tulloch. > James Alexander Calder was the fifth of their children, born in 1832. James > had siblings named John and Donald. The family immigrated to Oxford Co., > Ontario, Canada, somewhere between James' birth and 1837. I believe John > and Margaret lived on 8th Concession, Lot 18, in W. Zorra Township. James > married our Johanne McKay in 1862, was listed in the 1881 census as a > plasterer living in Ingersoll, Oxford Co., Ontario. He and Johanne had > eight children, migrated to Winnipeg, Manitoba, where James died in 1882 > when he fell off the roof of the house he was building. I find no mention > of a woman named Grant marrying into this family. I do have a Calder > contact in Ontario with further information on Calders. Would you like to > be put in touch? Would you like a copy of my Calder file? > > Diane Geddes > Michigan USA > > ------- > Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lynn Munro <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 4:55 PM > Subject: [SUT] re: Caulders > > > > Christine, > > I have a book called Sutherland's County of Oxford Gazetteer and directory > 1862-3. It lists all heads of families, schools, businesses temperance > orders, and a little report about each place in Oxford County, Ontario of > which West and East Zorra were townships. West Zorra is now just Zorra > township. The book lists four Caulders as living in West Zorra at that > time. They are Donald, James, John and John. All lived on the 8th > Concession, either on Lot 18 or Lot 20. Donald and James are listed as > plasterers. We actually own a piece of land that was a Caulder farm. Hope > this helps. Let me know if you need more information. Lynn Zorra,ON Canada > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Elaine Rev Lewis Rose, native of Nairn-shire (modern Moray) minister of Nigg, Ross-shire, 1819-1836 Duke Street Gaelic Chapel, Glasgow, 1836-1843 Kincardine, Ross-shire (Ardgay) 1843 Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

Many of Sutherland on http://www.northernsights.net/ The photographs around Brora area are especially lovely. Good one there on the road to Craggie. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

We all find things in our genealogical researching that we do not like but my attitude is always someone had to do it. Oh if only our ancestors could have been perfect - but then would we have liked them as much? I so much want to find more stories about the illicit whisky making and smuggling that was rife in Rogart. Betya my folks were chief whisky makers! Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 October 2002 22:23 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Sad I've just learnt from an account by my (maternal)Mackenzie grandfather that his grandfather James commanded the militia involved in the evictions of the Duchess of Sutherland's crofters at Culrain. Just down the road was my paternal 3xgt grandfather (Gray) and his Mackenzie wife --- poor crofters who probably had friends in Culrain..... I feel very sad. Sara ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

Many thanks for this Marilyn, will get looking. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Hoyte [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 October 2002 15:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Zorra Twp, Ontario Hi Christine, There are many Calders to be found at www. woodstock.library.on.ca, click on Local History and then Index to BMD Notices. Also many in the Ingersoll Chronicle listings. Best regards, Marilyn Hoyte Saskatchewan Canada > One of the daughters of my 3 x great grandparents, Hector Grant and Janet > Duff, married a Calder and went to live in Zorra. > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cathy Wagner [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 02 October 2002 05:48 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Zorra Twp, Ontario > > Hi all > > Some time ago.....I remember ....there being talk of Sutherland people in > Zorra twp., Ontario > I have a list here of men that held property in Zorra twp in 1892 I will > list their names and ages.....for you all, I only copied the surname with > start of ""M"" and I will only list on here common M surnames of Sutherland > > If anyone wants ....another surname looked up I will be more than happy to > accomodate > > ** Iain take note of the ONE....MCBEATH on the list!! > > MURRAY, Robert living Tavistock age 49 > MURRAY, Neil living Tavistock age not listed > MATHESON, James living Innerkip age 49 > MATHESON, Joseph living Innerkip age 48 > MC COLL Hugh living Innerkip age 44 > MURRAY, George J. living Cassel age 21 or 29 > MCDONALD, William, living Cassel , blacksmith age 55 > MURRAY, Andrew living Walmer age 24 > MCDONALD , John living Walmer, blacksmith age36 > MURRAY W.? H., living Tavistock, Cutter age 24 > MURRAY, Alexander living Tavistock , Carpenter age 91 > MCDONALD, Finlay living Woodstock, farmer age 41 > MCDONALD, Hugh living Woodstock age 39 > McKAY, John living Woodstock age 69 > McKAY, D. G. living Hickson, Clerk and treasurer age 53 > McKAY, Alex, farmer living Hickson age 24 > MCKAY, Durgwall? living Tavistock age 73 > MCKAY, John living Tavistock age 44 > MCKAY, Alex age 23 living Tavistock > MCKAY, James living Tavistock age 57 > MCKAY, Stephen living Tavistock age 22 > MCKENZIE , John living Strathallan, Well digger age 53 > MUNROE, Robert living Strathallan,, labourer age 33 > MCDONALD, Joseph living Cassel age 27 > MCBEATH, David living Innerkip, gentleman age 74 *** > MATHESON Adam McColl, farmer age 41 living Innerkip > MCLEAN, Robert farmer no age listed living Innerkip > MUNROE, MRS. Jessie living Woodstock no age listed > MCKAY John S. living Woodstock , Barrister age 41 > MURRAY, Robert Sr. living Woodstock age 60 or 68 > MURRAY William living Woodstock age 34 > MURRAY, Robert Jr. living Woodstock age 24 > MURRAY James W. living Woodstock age 23 > MCDONALD, John living Woodstock age 35 > MCKAY Andrew living Woodstock age 39 > MURRAY, George A. living Woodstock, farmer age 32 > MURRAY, Robert living Woodstock , farmer age 70 > MCLEOD, George living ????, farmer age 31 > MCKAY, John living S.Zorra farmer age 75 > MCKAY, James living S.Zorra farmer age 30 > MURRAY, A.C. living Hickson age 73 > MATHESON, Donald linving Bernnington no age listed > MURRAY, George living Hickson age maybe 32? > MURRAY Arthur living Hickson age27 > MURRAY, Peter living Hickson age 85 > MURRAY, William living Hickson age 35 > MURRAY, George living Hickson age 42 > MURRAY, Donald living Tavistock age 38 > MATHESON, Alex living Maplewood age 24 > MCLEOD, Mary Ann living Woodstock no age listed > MCLEOD, Anni living Woodstock no age listed > ** both girls listed as spinsters > MCLEOD, William living Braumar age 50 > MCKAY, Alex G. living Braumar age41 > MCKENZIE, John living Braumar age54 > MCKAY, John S. living Braumar age50 > MORRISON, George living Braumar age 49 > MORRISON, Alex living Braumar age 22 > MCDONALD, Jane living Braumer age 82 > MURRAY, john living Hickson age 44 > MCDONALD, David S. living Braumar age 52 > MCKAY William living Braumar age 24 > MCKAY, Robert living Braumar age 37 > MCKAY, Donald living Braumar age 27 > MCKAY, John living Braumar age 25 > MUNROE , Hugh living Braumar age 68 > MUNROE, Peter living Braumar age 25 > MUNROE, Hugh Jr. living Braumar age 22 > MCDONALD, Hugh living Braumar age 41 > MCDONALD, Danial or Dariah living Braumar age 38 > MCKAY, Alex S. living Woodstock age 49 > MURRAY, Robert living Tavistock age 49 > MURRAY, Neil living Tavistock no age listed > MATHISON, James living Innerkip age 49 > MATHISON, Joseph living Innerkip age 48 > MCCOLL, Hugh living Innerkip age 44 > > Now folks this is just the one year...there are many more years or at > least a few...on the film if anyone needs anyone followed up > It also reveals....(if the film isnt too hazy at that point...) what lot and > concession they lived on ...how many cattle they had...how many acres > > If indeed someone has someone on the list ...or another name needed looked > up on this land record film, I will be happy to fill in more information on > that person for them > > > Cathy > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Hi, story needs to be a couple of A5 size pages long at least. You can take three or four if you wish. If you have any photographs they can be included by sending them to me. Where a story includes facts that you do not have official sourcing for you can say something like "according to family tradition" etc, etc. Yes, include details of the ship, kids etc. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Margaret and Darren Gaven [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 October 2002 15:46 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Ref OUR WEB SITE Hi! I still need to submit my story on George Henderson & Betsy Bruce who emigrated from Helmsdale to Canada with their young family in 1871 when the herring disappeared & George lost his hand made shoe customers. Actually, that is pretty well the whole story, although I can add bits. Can you remind me how long it is supposed to be & are we to put in kids names, details of what ship they came over on etc?? Can we mention things we have not had confirmed but have been told many, many times by parents & grandparents (i.e. the ship they were on encountered some sort of difficulty & the passengers all had to cross over a plank to another ship)?? Many thanks. Margaret Gaven [email protected] North Vancouver British Columbia, Canada researching Brownscombe, Rendle, Gould, King & Pittwood (Devon), Pinnell/Pennell (Brinkworth, Wiltshire), Guest (Tipperary, Ireland), McRoberts & Hardy (Ireland), Green (Norfolk), Case (England), Henderson, Bruce & Matheson (Helmsdale, Kildonan & Loth, Sutherland, Scotland), Woolley (Ontario, Canada via New Jersey, U.S.A. from England), Thompson (Ontario, Canada via Mass. U.S.A. from England) & many more ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Ref OUR WEB SITE > Sutherland to Other Lands is still an ongoing project. Stories are still > being written and I am compiling them as they come in. still need more to > make the book a worthwhile project though. Perhaps those who are still > writing could let us all know. > > Christine > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christine Randall [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 30 September 2002 15:09 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SUT] Ref OUR WEB SITE > > Hello All, > > I'm still here! and I did wonder if I'd been accidently cut off the list. > But I thought I wouldn't panic just yet. I have a shortcut to POSH > on my desktop and go there every now and again. It never ceases > to amaze me how much work everyone has put in. > > How is the "Sutherlanders to Other Lands" coming along? > Sorry, I can't actually even remember what it was decided to call > this history. This was way back when I first joined the list. > > Keep up the good work! Please don't give up on the list because > it goes a bit quiet. And it would help if people emailed the list with > ANYTHING instead of contacting Christine privately. At least > the rest of us would know it was still working! 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Thanks for that Lynn. I have no way of knowing if the plasterers were 'my' Calders but will try to check. Wouldn't it be fun if the piece of land you now own once belonged to one of my 3 x great aunt's kids? Small world. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Munro [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 October 2002 21:55 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] re: Caulders Christine, I have a book called Sutherland's County of Oxford Gazetteer and directory 1862-3. It lists all heads of families, schools, businesses temperance orders, and a little report about each place in Oxford County, Ontario of which West and East Zorra were townships. West Zorra is now just Zorra township. The book lists four Caulders as living in West Zorra at that time. They are Donald, James, John and John. All lived on the 8th Concession, either on Lot 18 or Lot 20. Donald and James are listed as plasterers. We actually own a piece of land that was a Caulder farm. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need more information. Lynn Zorra,ON Canada ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

If you can bear with me I have just written a note to a minister friend in Sutherland. Hopefully an answer about your Lewis Rose will come back soon. Maybe some other list member has heard of him - I have not heard his name before. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Nicoll [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 October 2002 16:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticae Hi Listers I am trying to find some info for a distant cousin of my husband who is descended from a Robert McKAY and Christian/Christiana MACONOCHIE/McGECHRAN (possibly McKECHNIE). This couple emigrated to Australia aboard the City of Edinburgh in 1837 both aged between 20 - 26. The information I have is that they were both from Sutherland and both baptized by 'Lewis Rose, Minister'. I wondered if anyone on this list might have access to the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticae and would be able to look up which church he would have been at around 1811 - 1817? I would be grateful for any other information anyone might have on this couple. Thank you Elaine ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002