Maybe no one even noticed I had been gone but my mail box is huge and I apologise for delay in replying to anyone waiting for same. Had to be away for a few days on business unexpectedly. Catch up with all replies soon. Glad to see the list is active. Hope everyone in Canada has had a good Thanksgiving day. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002

I took some time today to sort out some of the piles of paperwork strewn across our dining room and tried to put it into Families rather than obscure piles. One piece of information I did find is a copy of a copy of a copy ? of a Map Published by John Thompson in Edinburgh 1823 of Sutherland attested by Francis Suther -Factor to the Countess,Major William Clunes,Gabriel Reid Esq. Capt. Donald McKay R.N. for Lord Reay's Country This Map shows Townships? in 1823 and is very difficult to read has anyone got a clear copy? I will try to scan this and then decipher Township? names where practicable but no promises the print is very small the contours very dark Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

Another book I forgot I had Some Scottish Sources on Militias,Fencibles and Volunteers 1790-1830 by Arnold Morrison 1977 Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

Malcolm I also would like to know where these censuses have been published. I am especially interested in Farr. Pat Winnipeg Canada On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 06:38 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Malcolm > > Can u advise where you've published these, and how one can get a copy > please? > > edward > Limpsfield, Surrey > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** 1801, 1811, 1821 BUT the only Sutherland returns to survive are for Assynt, Farr and Golspie for 1811. These returns are not the same as 1841 onwards - they contain less information. Golspie is on Christine's website. I have published Assynt and Farr. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Howard Blaxland [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 October 2002 14:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] CENSUS Would any one know if there were census taken in Sutherland from 1800 to 1817. Also would any one know if there are cemetery listings for around Durness? Thanks ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

Malcolm Can u advise where you've published these, and how one can get a copy please? edward Limpsfield, Surrey

Hi seekers, There was a national census taken in 1811, but most of the records were destroyed. However, some survived and an occasional one still turns up.Some Sutherland records strangely enough, survived ( Assynt,Golspie, Farr ) and I have a copy of the the Assynt records. They are a bit frustrating as only the head of the house is named- the rest are lumped together under males, females, etc. It's not easy to work these out as the headings are poorly handwritten. I got them from the Highland Region Archives in Farraline Park, Inverness, Ref. D269 in the book "Guide to the Highland Council Archive". Incidentally, these archives are a goldmine of information from all over the Highlands, from school records to company records, estates to harbour trusts, airfields to archaeology. It's not just Council records- everything is grist to their mill. All kinds of records are deposited for safe keeping. Quick look...Meikle ferry fund committee 1809.....Ness angling club 1849.......Caithness valuation rolls 1878-1974. Tel. 01463 220330 Fax. 01463 711128 Fraser MacKenzie.

Just prior to going on Holiday somebody asked me about Hugh Leslie I have deleted this sorry if they can send it again I may be able to help Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

Hi Madaline, I was very interested in your e-mail about Catherine Mc KENZIE, as it probably means I have been barking up the wrong tree!! An ancestor of my husband's, Thomas MATHER, born in Northumberland in 1783, moved to Durness and was a shepherd at Balnakeil and Kervaig. As well as several legitimate children, he had an illegitimate daughter Hannah in 1815, who took his name. Hannah MATHER's baptism record in Durness says that she was born in adultery to a Ket McKENZIE. Hannah later married Lachlan ROSS at Eriboll, and the 1851 census lists Lachlan and Hannah and their four children together with 'Catherine McKENZIE, mother-in-law, aged 67, pauper, born Durness'. As I could not find any other, I had rather presumed that the Catherine/Ket McKENZIE who gave birth to Hannah MATHER and was 67 in the spring of 1851 was the same Catherine McKENZIE baptised on 6 November 1783 in Durness to John and Isobel McKENZIE. I would be grateful to have more information on Catherine, as if you are sure she married a Hugh CALDER and moved to Cape Breton then one of us, probably me, is wrong!! Sue Mackay Cardiff, UK At 10:40 12/10/02 -0300, Howard Blaxland wrote: >I was wondering if any one would have any information about a John >Mackenzie born about 1759 married 14 Feb 1782 in Durness to Isobel >macKenzie born about 1760. They had at least three children that i have >found. The first being Catherine mackenzie baptised 6 Nov 1783, she >married Hugh Calder and moved to Cape Breton. The second was Alexander >MacKenzie baptised 1 June 1812 (don't know what happened to him) The >third was Barbara MacKenzie who also moved to Nova Scotia and married >James Calder. >Any one with information about John Mackenzie and Isabel Mackenzie or >their children, I would really like to hear from you. >Madaline > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >To check out previous messages >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Whle I have no stories to submit, I could add information for a listing of emmigrants. Will there be such a section in the book? Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus

Ron Patrick: Unless a connection can be shown between your Robert Calder and our John Calder, I cannot say that Robert Calder is related to our family. We are hoping because of the timing of birth (Robert 1800, John 1801) and location (both in Sutherland) that there may be a connection. Do you know who Robert's parents are? Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus ----- Original Message ----- From: J Ronald Patrick <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Calder > Diana and all: > I have the following information on Robert Calder and Christina Munro of > Creich. I'd appreciate hearing back from you on this family. > Regards, Ron > Descendants of Robert Calder > > 1 Robert Calder b: September 1800 in Sutherland, Scotland d: November > 14, 1879 in McKillop Twp., Huron Co., Huron Co., Ontario. Aged 79 yrs. 2 > mos. Burial: Harphurhey Cemetery, Huron Co., Ontario > ... +Christina Munro b: 1803 in Sutherland, Scotland d: December 15, 1877 > in McKillop Twp., Huron Co., Huron Co., Ontario. Aged 75 yrs 6 mos. Burial: > Harphurhey Cemetery, Huron Co., Ontario > ....... 2 Catherine Calder b: December 30, 1829 in Criech, Sutherland, > Scotland d: November 1, 1856 in McKillop Twp., Huron Co., Ontario. Aged 28 > yrs; 10 mos. Burial: Harpurhey Cemetery, Huron Co., Ontario > ............ +Thomas Grieve b: 1814 in Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland m: > June 26, 1845 in McKillop Twp., Huron Co., Ontario d: May 24, 1885 in Mc > Killop Twp., Huron Co., Ontario. Aged 71 yrs. Burial: Harpurhey Cemetery, > Huron Co., Ontario > > CHANGE MY EMAIL TO: [email protected] > "Ancestors Plant Trees to Shelter Future Generations" > URL: http://www.geocities.com/rpatrickca > really-big-mail to: 150 Burkholder St., Stouffville, Ontario Canada L4A 4J4 > Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bgeddes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:23 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Calder > > > Calders have been prominent in the postings lately, leading to the discovery > that Lynn Munro's husband and mine are third cousins! I am trying to find a > connection between the following two Calder families: > > John Calder, b. 1801 in Creich, married Margret McLeod in Creich in 1825. > Their children were Jessie, Janet, George, Ann, James, Christena, Donald, > Georgina, John and Margaret. > > Robert Calder, b. abt. 1799 in Creich, married Christena Munro in Creich in > 1828. Their children were Catherine, Robert and Isabella. > > Both families emigrated to Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada, about the same time > (1832-1834). > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Diane Geddes > Michigan USA > > ------- > Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus > > ______________________________ > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/9/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/9/02 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Again I need information, William MacKenzie was my g-g-grandfather, he was born 1792 bap. 17 Dec 1792, William married Margaret Mackay 28 July 1815 in Durness. Margaret MacKay, his wife was born about 1791. Any informtion about her would be greatly appreciated. William MacKenzie and Margaret MacKay had children born in Scotland any one know who they were and when they were born? William Mackenzie was the son of Alexander Mackenzie and Mary Sutherland. Would any one have any information about either Alexander MacKenzie or his wife Mary Sutherland, for example when either of them were born and who were their parents or when Alexander MacKenzie and Mary Sutherland were married? These are the children of Alexander Mackenzie and Mary Sutherland that I have been able to find. William MacKenzie 1792.; John MacKenzie born 1784, he married Catherine Calder 29 Oct 1813. They also had children born in Scotland, would like to know who and when? Hugh born 1787 bap 16 Jan 1787 and James born 1789 bap. 16 June 1789. Would any one know what happened to Hugh or James, also did they have other children. Thanks for all of your help it has been a great help. More questions later. Madaline

Thank you to everyone who replied to my query. I can't see any relationship with my MUNROs but will store it all away just in case. Cheers Lizzi ----- Original Message ----- From: lizzi bell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building > Does anyone have more background on James MUNRO b. Sutherland? > Lizzi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian Cook <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:35 PM > Subject: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building > > > > Melbournes Exhibition buildinghas been nominated for world heritage > > listing. It was built because of the input of James Munro(ex Sitherland) > > and built by his neighbour Mitchell > > -- > > > > > > Elizabeth Cook > > > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > To check out previous messages > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Lizzi James Munro (1832-1908) born 7 January 1832 in Sutherlandshire Scotland, son of Donald Munro and his wife Georgina nee Mackey. Educated at Armadale village school he was apprenticed in 1848 to the Edinburgh printing house of Constable & Co and soon joined the total abstinence movement. In December 1853 he married Jane Macdonald and in 1858 with his wife and 3 children migrated to Melbourne, arriving 7 November 1858. Munro was described as a rough tyke in his early years. He was quick tempered and authoritarian but always easy to get on with if you let him have his own way. With a strong voice and pronounced accent he was known for his invective when roused and a tendency to dance with rage, habits which endured and must have contrasted with his patriarchal appearance of tall, broad figure, massive head and flowing beard. (this book goes on for quite a bit. Was there anything in particular you wanted to know? He died on 25th February 1908 and was buried in the St Kilda Cemetery beside his wife who had died in 1904. He was survived by 4 sons and 3 daughters of his 8 children. From another book written 1888 The Hon James Munro MLA Melbourne, was born in Sutherlandshire Scotland and was educated at the local school at Armadale village. He left Edinburgh for Victoria in the ship Champion of the Seas in 1858 and first turned his attention to printing but left that work to found and conduct the Victorian Permanent Building Society which he had started in 1865. After 17 years service as secretary, he started (1882) the Federal Banking Company and conducted the operation of the bank as managing director for 3 years and is still a director. The Real Estate Bank, a most successful institution, of which he is the managing director was founded by him in 1887. Mr Munro stood for Parliament in 1863 for Dundas but was unsuccessful. In 1873 he was elected member for North Melbourne and was afterwards representative for Carlton until 1881. In 1882 he was elected for North Melbourne and sat for about 2 years and in 1887 was elected member for Geelong. Having held the position of Minister of Education, Mr Munro is an Executive Councillor for Victoria. During his whole life Mr Munro has taken the warmest interest in the Temperance movement and is the acknowledged leader of the Temperance forces in Parliament. He is President of the Victorian Alliance and the Melbourne Total Abstinence Society and at the present time is Chief Officer of the Rechabite Order, a friendly society on a temperance basis numbering over 12,000 members in Victoria. As one of the executive commissioners for the Exhibition of the 1880-1881 and 1888-1889 Mr Munro has devoted himself with characteristic energy to ensuring their success and has also held a similar position on the Commission for the Philadelphia, Sydney and Paris Exhibitions. Sounds like a fun bloke!!! Let me know if you need anything else Lori -----Original Message----- From: lizzi bell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building Does anyone have more background on James MUNRO b. Sutherland? Lizzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Cook <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building > Melbournes Exhibition buildinghas been nominated for world heritage > listing. It was built because of the input of James Munro(ex Sitherland) > and built by his neighbour Mitchell > -- > > > Elizabeth Cook > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ >

I'm interested in this answer too! Christine R Vic Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Blaxland <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 11:43 PM Subject: [SUT] CENSUS > Would any one know if there were census taken in Sutherland from 1800 to > 1817. > Also would any one know if there are cemetery listings for around > Durness? > Thanks > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

OOPS, accidently sent that while I was checking for more websites! Doing a google search - there is probably more if anyonbe wants to look. Try this one - I didn't realise that he had been Premier of Victoria, (Australia) - my own state. This site has a photo. http://www.foskc.org/munro.htm Regards, Christine R Vic Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: lizzi bell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building > Does anyone have more background on James MUNRO b. Sutherland? > Lizzi

Lizzi This website gives a brief bit about him http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au/home/library/vicpast/armadal2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: lizzi bell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building > Does anyone have more background on James MUNRO b. Sutherland? > Lizzi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian Cook <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:35 PM > Subject: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building > > > > Melbournes Exhibition buildinghas been nominated for world heritage > > listing. It was built because of the input of James Munro(ex Sitherland) > > and built by his neighbour Mitchell > > -- > > > > > > Elizabeth Cook > > > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > To check out previous messages > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Iain, That's surely not something to be *sad* about??? Oh, I see, now --- it's the fact you didn't know about it earlier! Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Sutherland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Sad My Grandfather Kenneth Robertson had a Whisky still at Lochside in Rogart in the 1950,s into the 60,s we only found out after he died Iain

Ian, More likely to be son of Kenneth --- especially as that's what Mackenzie is! Mac Coinnich or in this case mhic Coinnich - *of* the son of Kenneth. 'Son of Angus' is 'mac Aonghais' Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] MACKENZIE'S > Hi Madaline, > I personally have no knowledge of this family but there is a little more info. in the Durness OPR that might be of interest to you. > > The address for the births is Badamhoir/Badavoir, the same as your Calder/Ekels. > > John's patronymic is macEanmhicean'icannich, which I think is son of John, son of John, son of Angus. The last name is a guess, since I can't think of a Gaelic name that would sound like "annich" (It could be Kenneth) > > Isobel's patronymic is nin Robmacean'icenich - daughter of Robert, son of John, son of ? Angus? Kenneth? > > The baptisms I saw were: Catherine Nov 6, 1783; Robert July 29, 1787; and Barbara Feb 7, 1794. > > Ian > Ontario, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Howard Blaxland > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] MACKENZIE'S > > I was wondering if any one would have any information about a John > Mackenzie born about 1759 married 14 Feb 1782 in Durness to Isobel > macKenzie born about 1760. They had at least three children that i have > found. The first being Catherine mackenzie baptised 6 Nov 1783, she > married Hugh Calder and moved to Cape Breton. The second was Alexander > MacKenzie baptised 1 June 1812 (don't know what happened to him) The > third was Barbara MacKenzie who also moved to Nova Scotia and married > James Calder. > Any one with information about John Mackenzie and Isabel Mackenzie or > their children, I would really like to hear from you. > Madaline > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone have more background on James MUNRO b. Sutherland? Lizzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Cook <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [SUT] Melbourne Exhibition Building > Melbournes Exhibition buildinghas been nominated for world heritage > listing. It was built because of the input of James Munro(ex Sitherland) > and built by his neighbour Mitchell > -- > > > Elizabeth Cook > > Melbourne, Australia > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >