Hi John, If you are really keen and are stuck to find an answer to your query, you could try buying a copy of this book. It's available from second-hand booksellers all over the world, but mostly in USA and UK at prices varying from "that's ok" to "WHAT??? " One for sale in NSW @US$90. Try WWW. ABEBOOKS.COM This is a sort of cooperative web site where secondhand booksellers all over the world lodge their stock. You can search for a book by author or title and up it comes with prices and booksellers. MAGIC! Regards, Fraser MacKenzie.

The D&G mail list has been having a discussion on the conditions in which emigrants made their journeys and what they took with them, and the following website has been advised by Laura from New York: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/thevoyage.html I haven't tried it myself, but what she describes makes it sound excellent. edward limpsfield, surrey

I do believe a descendant of Norman Macleod is one of my correspondents. Will look her address up if the original question was from a descendant who wishes to make contact. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 17 October 2002 08:30 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [SUT] Loch Broom **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * Norman MacLeod was an extraordinary person, part visionary, part dictator. There are several books about him and the 'Normanites'. His followers were amongst the few who emigrated from Assynt in 1820. There is a large stone erected near the site of his house at Clachtoll. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Howard Blaxland [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 16 October 2002 20:19 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Loch Broom I have just found out that Rev. Norman MacLeod was from Assynt, Sutherland and that he left Loch Broom July of 1817 with 400 other people for Pictou, Nova Scotia, later to Cape Breton. Would any one know where Loch Broom is or was? Also, would any one know about the ship he came in which was called the "Frances Ann". Madaline ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Dictionary of National Biography: Charles Mackay 1814-1889 poet and journalist born Perth son of George Mackay, second son of Captain Hugh Mackay of Strathnaver [possibly Mudale but I have not checked] DNB has long list of his publications. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: John McKay [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 17 October 2002 09:52 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Charles Mackay - the poet Lister (& especially Malcolm) Have a faded photostat of some poetry written by Charles Mackay from Blackie & Son "Poets & Poetry of Scotland" complied I think by James Grant Wilson. Seems rather decent stuff. Copy is of pages 380 - 389 (I think) and notes that Charles was born at Perth in 1814 but spent much of his early years in London. Somewhere else in there (I remember reading before it faded) is said that he was a 'minor poet'. Seems he visited the States in 1857 as Dr. giving "lectures which well illustrated his genius". Has anyone got this book and if so, copyright considered, can they help me obtain a reasonable print of Charles' work in this? Sounds like an interesting fellow. Any help? John McKay JP Australia ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

Just wanted to thank every one for the information about Loch Broom. i really appreciate it. Thanks again. madaline

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Norman MacLeod was an extraordinary person, part visionary, part dictator. There are several books about him and the 'Normanites'. His followers were amongst the few who emigrated from Assynt in 1820. There is a large stone erected near the site of his house at Clachtoll. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Howard Blaxland [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 16 October 2002 20:19 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Loch Broom I have just found out that Rev. Norman MacLeod was from Assynt, Sutherland and that he left Loch Broom July of 1817 with 400 other people for Pictou, Nova Scotia, later to Cape Breton. Would any one know where Loch Broom is or was? Also, would any one know about the ship he came in which was called the "Frances Ann". Madaline ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

Dear All, Sorry to mislead you - Loch Broom is not in Sutherland - it is near Sutherland. It is actually in Wester Ross. Thanks to Karen for noticing. Denise, Sutherland, Scotland

Madeline, Loch Broom is wonderful sea loch on west coast of Sutherland, at the south of Assynt. Ullapool is on the northern shore, and is now the port for ferry to Western Isles - Lewis, etc. Sorry I don't know about the ship, but will keep my eyes open Regards,

Malcolm, Thanks for this story about Christy Mackay, she was born 29 Sep 1835 the sister of Neil Mackay [my G G Grandfather]. He died 13 Mar 1895 just 11 days ater this report. It makes the family tree much more interesting when all this is added in. Isabella McGregor Fife, Scotland. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: [SUT] a stubborn old Rogart lady > **************************************************************************** * > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > **************************************************************************** * > > 1895 Mar 2 report by local ground officer on Christy MacKay, 80 Inchcape, > Rogart, occupied rent free. "I Called on this person today. and found the > house in very bad order. I also Called on her Brother Niel. 83. do who has > been Confined to bed for some time. but I Saw his Son Donald. and we went to > see the house, It appears when Niel got the Croft 83 previous to 1879 his > late Mother & Sister Christy were unwilling to quit the house. and when Niel > entered they went and lived in the barn where the mother died. and the above > house had been Offered to Christy. and that Niel was to keep the house in > repair. and provide fire. and other necessaries. but before She took > possession. the house was burnt to the ground. and rendered useless. On the > 2nd of June 1879 I went there. and took dimensions of the Same Site. and the > Material required to rebuild the house again, wood & Lime was Supplied > gratis. and I then arranged with Donald to do the work. which he was paid > for. About 2 years ago I was Calling on Chirsty. and met Mr Logan. who > Called there. while I was there. the house was then in want of thatching I > Spoke to the Brother & his Son about having the house repaired. and I > offered him Some Straw. which I had in Store. but he repaired it with > divots [turfs] at the time, and with your permission, I have at this time > offered him some Straw to thatch it. with Some of his Own. as Soon as the > Weather will permit. and he has promised to do this. Christy is weakminded > and rather difficult to put up with She keeps her Fowls. in the house. along > with her. there is Ivy growing to the Walls and on to the roof. which She > will not allow to be removed. and of Course that takes in the water when it > rains. She depends on the Charity of Neighbours, for her living. She wont > take Parochial relief, and is very highminded and is never reconciled to her > Brother Niel. or his family. Since they got the Croft. and She distinctly > States that they (her Brother) promised to Keep her Comfortable." > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have just found out that Rev. Norman MacLeod was from Assynt, Sutherland and that he left Loch Broom July of 1817 with 400 other people for Pictou, Nova Scotia, later to Cape Breton. Would any one know where Loch Broom is or was? Also, would any one know about the ship he came in which was called the "Frances Ann". Madaline

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** 1895 Mar 2 report by local ground officer on Christy MacKay, 80 Inchcape, Rogart, occupied rent free. "I Called on this person today. and found the house in very bad order. I also Called on her Brother Niel. 83. do who has been Confined to bed for some time. but I Saw his Son Donald. and we went to see the house, It appears when Niel got the Croft 83 previous to 1879 his late Mother & Sister Christy were unwilling to quit the house. and when Niel entered they went and lived in the barn where the mother died. and the above house had been Offered to Christy. and that Niel was to keep the house in repair. and provide fire. and other necessaries. but before She took possession. the house was burnt to the ground. and rendered useless. On the 2nd of June 1879 I went there. and took dimensions of the Same Site. and the Material required to rebuild the house again, wood & Lime was Supplied gratis. and I then arranged with Donald to do the work. which he was paid for. About 2 years ago I was Calling on Chirsty. and met Mr Logan. who Called there. while I was there. the house was then in want of thatching I Spoke to the Brother & his Son about having the house repaired. and I offered him Some Straw. which I had in Store. but he repaired it with divots [turfs] at the time, and with your permission, I have at this time offered him some Straw to thatch it. with Some of his Own. as Soon as the Weather will permit. and he has promised to do this. Christy is weakminded and rather difficult to put up with She keeps her Fowls. in the house. along with her. there is Ivy growing to the Walls and on to the roof. which She will not allow to be removed. and of Course that takes in the water when it rains. She depends on the Charity of Neighbours, for her living. She wont take Parochial relief, and is very highminded and is never reconciled to her Brother Niel. or his family. Since they got the Croft. and She distinctly States that they (her Brother) promised to Keep her Comfortable."

I'm told that about one in a hundred wives accompanied their husbands. And it was a sought after privilege. I'll ask my friend who is a British military history enthusiast for more info. Angi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> > Watched this query with interest but unfortunately no response. I also > would love to know the answer. > I am fairly certain that some wives did go with their husbands. My own > great great grandmother was born in Glasgow and I believe this was simply > because her father was based there before the regiment went of to Ireland. > Would be great to know for sure! > My Mackenzie great, great grandfather, like many of the Sutherland men, > brought himself a wife home from his time spent in Ireland. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Lawson [mailto:[email protected]] > Is there a list anywhere of folks that served with the > military in the rebellion. Also did some family members go with the > servicemen?

Howard I have a list of all those buried around the Durness area. If you wish to give me detail I will be happy to do a look up for you. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Howard Blaxland [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 October 2002 14:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] CENSUS Would any one know if there were census taken in Sutherland from 1800 to 1817. Also would any one know if there are cemetery listings for around Durness? Thanks ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002

Watched this query with interest but unfortunately no response. I also would love to know the answer. I am fairly certain that some wives did go with their husbands. My own great great grandmother was born in Glasgow and I believe this was simply because her father was based there before the regiment went of to Ireland. Would be great to know for sure! My Mackenzie great, great grandfather, like many of the Sutherland men, brought himself a wife home from his time spent in Ireland. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lawson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 October 2002 01:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] 1789 Irish rebellion Dear Listers. Is there a list anywhere of folks that served with the military in the rebellion. Also did some family members go with the servicemen? Bruce Christchurch New Zealand ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002

Madaline (and Christine), From the information we previously discussed, I would think that your family was from West Moine/Loch Eriboll area. If they were not buried at Balnakeil, perhaps Arnoboll is worth a look. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 8:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [SUT] CENSUS Howard I have a list of all those buried around the Durness area. If you wish to give me detail I will be happy to do a look up for you. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Howard Blaxland [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 October 2002 14:44 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] CENSUS Would any one know if there were census taken in Sutherland from 1800 to 1817. Also would any one know if there are cemetery listings for around Durness? Thanks ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Ann Grant, born 1805 Dornoch, daughter of Hector Grant and Janet Duff, married Alexander CALDER. They had Isabell, born 1828; Janet 1830; Hector 1832; Wilhelmina 1834; Ann 1836; Abigail 1838; Ellen 1840; Catherine 1842. All the children died in Oxford Co. Ontario from 1895 onwards. Alexander Calder died in 1844 in Oxford Co. Need to know who this Alexander Calder was - did they marry in Sutherland or in Canada? Who were his parents? Are any descendants of this family still in Oxford Co. Many thanks Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: bgeddes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 October 2002 20:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Calder/Grant Christine Stokes: I asked my Calder contact in Ontario if he knew of any Calder/Grant marriage. He did not but asks if you have further details such as date or first names. Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002

Perhaps a short section for families who do not appear in other such listings? Worth a thought? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: bgeddes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 13 October 2002 16:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Sutherland to Other Lands Whle I have no stories to submit, I could add information for a listing of emmigrants. Will there be such a section in the book? Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002

Christine try posting on the Rootsweb Can-Ont-Oxford mailing list. Shirley Zorra, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Calder/Grant > Ann Grant, born 1805 Dornoch, daughter of Hector Grant and Janet Duff, > married Alexander CALDER. They had Isabell, born 1828; Janet 1830; Hector > 1832; Wilhelmina 1834; Ann 1836; Abigail 1838; Ellen 1840; Catherine 1842. > All the children died in Oxford Co. Ontario from 1895 onwards. > Alexander Calder died in 1844 in Oxford Co. > Need to know who this Alexander Calder was - did they marry in Sutherland or > in Canada? > Who were his parents? > Are any descendants of this family still in Oxford Co. > Many thanks > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: bgeddes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 11 October 2002 20:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Calder/Grant > > Christine Stokes: I asked my Calder contact in Ontario if he knew of any > Calder/Grant marriage. He did not but asks if you have further details such > as date or first names. > > Diane Geddes > Michigan USA > > ------- > Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 19/09/2002

Hi all I know before I bid on this book I should have actually asked what your thoughts on it were then....smile but here is the book....I bought my first ebay buy ever I would like to know what any one's thoughts are on it , if they know of this book..is it a good source book?? etc THE ORIGINAL SCOTS COLONISTS OF EARLY AMERICA 1612-1783 by David Dobson. Published 1990 hard back book with dust jacket. About 150,000 Scots emigrated to America before the Revolutionary War, but the records on them are notoriously hard to find. However, it has been clear for some time that in archives in Scotland and England there is much information on a number of these emigrants. David Dobson has extracted data from a wide variety of sources including family and estate papers, testamentary and probate records, burgh muniments, sasine and deed registers, Sheriff's Court records, Court of Session and High Court of Judiciary records, port books, customs registers, contemporary diaries and journals, contemporary newspapers and magazines, professional and university records, Privy Council and colonial records, records of Episcopalian and Presbyterian churches, monumental inscription lists, and the 1774-75 Register of Emigrants. For each of the 7,000 persons listed, a maximum of twenty-three points of information is provided: name, date of birth or baptism, place of birth, occupation, place of education, cause of banishment (where applicable), residence, parents' names, emigration date and whether voluntarily or involuntarily transported, port of embarkation, destination, name of ship, place and date of arrival, place of settlement, names of spouse and children, date and place of death, where buried, probate record, and source citation. Now most things are not as good as they sound....but I am excited to recieve it...hopefully sometime next week Cathy

Hello Listers, Anyone out there give me any information about The Biographical Register of the St Andrews Society of New York. Reason being- I have just read a booklet Scottish Soldiers in Colonial America part 3 by David Dobson & it refers to James SUTHERLAND his birth which is correct, his death which isnt, it give his parents as Eric SUTHERLAND & Elizabeth DUNBAR, correct & mentions he was in the 26th Regt[Cameronians] & dates & when he returned home etc. This is different info to that given in a modern book of the SUTHERLANDS which gives different Regt. How accurate is this register & how much information does this register have & how can you access it. Barbara Stirling New Zealand