Graveyard inscriptions for Kinbrace are now up on the web site. More tomorrow. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002

The earliest George Mackenzie listed is 18th of July 1814. there are 2 in Tongue 1792 & 1795 No George McKenzie listed for Loth these are from the Sutherland O.P.R. Fiche Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: J Ronald Patrick <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [SUT] Loth OPR abt 1790s > Does anyone have access to OPR Loth for about 1790s? I need a > birth/christening reference for a George M(a)cKenzie born either 21 Nov 1791 > or 21 Nov 1793 in Loth. He was a veteran of Waterloo and died in Canada. > There seems to be some disagreement in the death/burial records about his > age, and I thought I had checked this years ago. Donation to POSH for any > assistance here. > Thanks, > Ron > > Stouffville, Ontario Canada L4A 4J4 > Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage www.sutherlandheritage.com > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/02 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

John Try The shipping List or I think the P.R.O. Site may have lists of Deaths at Sea there is a list somewhere I have seen referred to frequently one of the Merchant Shipping made Registration Mandatory. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: John McKay <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: [SUT] Merchant seaman deaths > A bit off tipic but having a bit of trouble finding an ancestor who died at > sea by reports. > > Wondering if anyone can tell me where his death might have been registered > (Scotland or England?) and how I might "find him". Especially if some kind > soul in that part of the world would look for him. His name was John > Thomason Mackay son of Wm James Mackay of Shetland. JT had been born Aug > 1870 and suggestions are that he died aged about 19 but could be as early as > 1885 or late as 1890s. > > Hoping for a fellow listers support with this and am happy to do reciprocal > research here and bear reasonable costs > > Regards, > > John McKay JP > Victoria, Australia > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I know I'm real behind on responding to Mary's comment about compiling a Place Name list. I think its a great idea. I would definitely like to have something on hand to help me with the various places; as well as their various spellings. Just thought I'd add my two cents. Karen Kahaluu, Hawaii

Can anyone help add information to this family?::: Neil WATT d 1872 in Tongue; wife Catherine SUTHERLAND d Jan 23, 1858, daughter of William SUTHERLAND and Christina McLEOD; Neil and Catherine's known children are: Henrietta WATT b 1837 Donald William WATT b 1839 William WATT b 1841 John WATT b 1844 Christina WATT b 1848; she married Andrew MCKAY Nov 1, 1872 at Strath, Tongue, son of Eric MCKAY and Janet CAMPBELL; Christina and Andrew's known children are: Neil Watt MCKAY b Aug 20, 1873 Georgina MCKAY b 1876 Catherine MCKAY b 1878 William MCKAY b abt 1880 Donald MCKAY 2 months at time of 1881 census. I have the 1881 census for Christina and Andrew. They were all born in Tongue, except for Neil WATT. I am interested in finding more information on all the children, their possible spouses, children, deaths, occupations, etc. Thank you in advance, Aloha, Karen Kahaluu, Hawaii

A bit off tipic but having a bit of trouble finding an ancestor who died at sea by reports. Wondering if anyone can tell me where his death might have been registered (Scotland or England?) and how I might "find him". Especially if some kind soul in that part of the world would look for him. His name was John Thomason Mackay son of Wm James Mackay of Shetland. JT had been born Aug 1870 and suggestions are that he died aged about 19 but could be as early as 1885 or late as 1890s. Hoping for a fellow listers support with this and am happy to do reciprocal research here and bear reasonable costs Regards, John McKay JP Victoria, Australia

Hi All, I am trying to get over my brick wall in my DOULL family. I have Alexander DOULL who married Christian/Christina CORMACK or SUTHERLAND. They married in Wick on 9 Dec 1797. Their son James DOULL died in Bylbster on 18 August 1866 and I got their names from his death records. I would love to get a generation back but just cannot find anything. Is there anyone out there who has links to this family who could help me. Cheers and thanks. Pat

We have just uploaded Kildonan Churchyard to the web site. www.sutherlandheritage.com <http://www.sutherlandheritage.com/> more coming this weekend. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/2002

To John Mckay. We have the books on Scottish Poets in the archive collection of the Canterbury Caledonian Society. They were published in 1877 and are two massive volumes. Vol 1 covers from Thomas the Rhymer through to 1777 and the second vol from 1777 to the 1870s. I have photocopied the pages that were of interest to you, so if you send me your address I will snail mail them over. I also have several tasks for RAOGK to do so will look up the Simon Sinclair info when next in the Central Library Regards Bruce Lawson [email protected]

Last week I sent a message re a William MCDONALD who emigrated to NZ in 1865. We are looking for the family that he may have come from. William MCDONALD married Janet MCKAY in Sutherland Durness,Strathy or Farr on 20 Nov 1834 William McDONALD married Mary BANNERMAN Loth Sutherland 27th Feb 1835 William McDONALD married Johan MCKAY Durness, Tongue Sutherland 30 April 1835. Can anyone give us any info as to whether any of these folk had a son William MCDONALD born approx 1835 who may have emigrated in 1865. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Joan in NZ.

HI all I decided with all the Calder talk I would take a look at what resources are here at home for me and see if I could enlighten anything to the subject it was written Would any of you recognize Ann GRANT (b. abt 1810) from Sutherland, parents unknown to me, who married Alexander CALDER (b. about 1800) from Inverness. After marriage and first child, Isabelle, this family emigrated to Ontario, Canada. After 3 more children by Alexander in Canada, he dies. Then Ann GRANT possibly remarries a John SUTHERLAND in Ontario. On cd 204 which is early marriage death and registers ....directories of Ontario....I find this entry FTM 204 Oct 18, 1848 At Beaverton, on the 7th inst Jane, wife of Alexander Calder and daughter to John and Catherine Gunn, of Thorah. C.W. formerly of Proncy, Parish of Dornoch, Sutherlandshire, Scotland This is a death....the wifes name appears to be Jane and not Ann.... This particular death came out of The Ontario Register, Volume V, Globe, Toronto, 1844-1849 Early marriages in Zorra and Oxford are as follows William Sutherland of Oxford and Isabella Sutherland of Zorra Jan 30, 1835 witnesses Donald McKay and William McKay Angus McKay and Margaret McKay both of Zorra Feb 13 1835 witnesses John Sutherland and James Fraser Robert Munro and Isabella McKay both of Zorra Feb 13 1835 witnesses Alexander McKay and Donald Munro John McDonald and Christian McKay both of Zorra Dec 3 1835 witnesses John McDonald and James Fraser William Ross and Christina Bruce both of Zorra Dec 11, 1835 Robert Ferguson of Zorra and Christina Ross of Blandford Jan 8 1836 witnesses James McDonald and James Grant Alexander Murray and Catherine McKay both of Zorra Feb 5 1836 witnesses Alexander Munro and Robert Ross William McKay and Christy McKay both of Zorra Feb 26 1836 witnesses Donald McLeod and George Ross James McKenzie and Elizabeth Murray residences not stated July 22 1836 witnesses Alexander McKenzie and John Sutherland Donald Sutherland and Mary Munroe both of Zorra Sept 19, 1836 witnesses John Sutherland and David Ross John Stroud of Deerham and Catherine Bruce of Zorra Oct 14 1836 witnesses Alexander McKay and William Ross Peter Murray and Merian (?) Bruce both of Zorra Nov 25, 1836 witnesses James Fraser and John Murray Now this one trying to sort out what i s...and isnt Scottish David Ennis of Zorra and Sebrey Fuller of Oxford June 5 1833 witnesses Silas Williams and Oliver Thornton William Murray and Margaret McFrazer both of Zorra Oct 25 1833 witnesses John Sutherland and John Murray Daniel Murray and Margaret McKay both of Zorra Oct 25, 1833 witnesses William McKay and Alexander MOrrow William Ross and Ginnet Sutherland both of Zorra Feb 7 1834 witnesses Angus McKay and Ecter Sutherland it was written Then Ann GRANT possibly remarries a John SUTHERLAND in Ontario. I do not see any evidence supporting this marriage as yet.....but there are other resources besides what i have here..... Hope these early marriages help you all out Cathy

Does anyone have access to OPR Loth for about 1790s? I need a birth/christening reference for a George M(a)cKenzie born either 21 Nov 1791 or 21 Nov 1793 in Loth. He was a veteran of Waterloo and died in Canada. There seems to be some disagreement in the death/burial records about his age, and I thought I had checked this years ago. Donation to POSH for any assistance here. Thanks, Ron Stouffville, Ontario Canada L4A 4J4 Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/02

Christine Stokes: The following message is posted on http://boards.ancestry.com. I searched for "calder ontario" and many messages came up. This is #38: Would any of you recognize Ann GRANT (b. abt 1810) from Sutherland, parents unknown to me, who married Alexander CALDER (b. about 1800) from Inverness. After marriage and first child, Isabelle, this family emigrated to Ontario, Canada. After 3 more children by Alexander in Canada, he dies. Then Ann GRANT possibly remarries a John SUTHERLAND in Ontario. Posted on Jan. 22, 2001 by Debra Schaub at [email protected] Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Any connections, please let me know 1895 June 25 Inverness Courier Obit George Mackintosh Ross, Torboll. Buried Golspie Churchyard. Leaving widow and 5 sons. Connected with parish of Dornoch for about 150 years. "His grandfather, George Ross, removed from Ross-shire shortly after the Rebellion of '45, and settled at Balvraid. His father, Dr William Ross, who lived at Cambusmore, was well known as a distinguished physician and surgeon, and as a man of strong individuality. Two brothers also followed the father's profession - Dr John Ross, who died in Bagdad in 1849, after serving for twenty-two years in the Medical Department of the East India Company, and the late Dr James Ross, Inverness... the deceased's third son, Dr John Ross... in an extensive practice in New Zealand." 1895 July 9 Inverness Courier Died London 5 July Kenneth Campbell MacIver Tea Planter Ceylon only son of late Rev Alexander MacIver minister of Dornoch 1895 Oct 1 Inverness Courier Died at Glenrose, Bermuda 30 August Rose Demspter Fraser last surviving son of late Angus Fraser and brother of late William Sutherland Fraser, Procurator Fiscal of Sutherland 1895 Oct 4 Inverness Courier Obituary of Rose Demspter Fraser Born Dornoch Dec 1809 died in 86th year. "In 1838, Mr Fraser went to Bermuda from London in the employment of the Imperial Customs. On the Colonial Government of Bermuda taking over the Customs department, Mr Fraser entered the service of the Colonial Government of Barbados, from which he retired in 1869 as a Comptroller of Customs and Navigation Laws and returned to Bermuda, where he has since continuously resided, representing Southampton a number of years in the House of Assembly. Mrs Fraser, who died several years ago, was the only child of the late Captain Alexander Thomson, 19th Lancers. Mr Fraser was held in great respect in Bermuda. ..." subscribed to Inverness Courier for 50 years [any other Sutherland Bermudans?] Mrs Ross of Commercial Hotel Helmsdale Died Saturday came to Helmsdale about 75 years ago, as second wife of Mr Donald Ross merchant and vintner who predeceased her by 44 years. Leading hotel in district. Voluminous letter writer. genial host Most family predeceased her but survived by 3 sons and 1 daughter. Eldest son George managed for many years Ross's Hotel in Helmsdale. Another son John, now of Strathpeffer, long held Strome Ferry Hotel. Died at Ross's Hotel Helmsdale Margaret Mackintosh relict Donald Ross aged 97 [For entertainment:] 1895 Nov 8 Inverness Courier Dornoch sheriff court: four fishermen George Corbett, John Campbell, George Ross and Donald Ross involved in disturbance at Rhiconich Market 25 Oct "row resolved itself very much into a fight between the townships of Oldshore and Kinlochbervie." Ross brothers "took off their jersies to fight, but ran away."

When in Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago, I was dabbling in the Sutherland Papers and came across the Kinlochbervie Ground Officer's papers for 1826-7. Included in them was a "List of Population of the Tenantry in the Parish of Eddrachillis" (including householders) for November 1826. Tenants of Lord Reay are also included. The list is grouped by township and provides the following details: - Name of tenant or householder (including widows) - Residence - No. of males in household - No. of females in household - No. of cattle under a year old - No. of cows - No. of sheep - No. of horses >From my amateur knowledge of the parish(es), it appears that the lists for most townships have survived, apart from Scourie township itself (if it existed at that time). The heads of households for 59 "Scouriemore" individuals appear however, but I am unsure if the parish coverage is 100%. Please let me know if I can search for an ancestor for you. Peter Grant London

Peter, Thank you for your kind offer to search for ancestors in 1826 Eddrachillis. Can you look for mine, please? They are Ralph Reed, his wife Diana McArthur and their family, Ellerington John, Ann and Mary. The youngest, Cathrina and Dorothy would not have been born yet. Much appreciated, Trish in chilly Toronto (but we still have leaves on our trees and they're still green!) --- Peter Grant wrote: From: "Morag Godfrey-Grant & Peter Grant" <morag&[email protected]> Subject: [SUT] Kinlochbervie/Eddrachillis people 1826 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:00:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <<[email protected]>> When in Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago, I was dabbling in the Sutherland Papers and came across the Kinlochbervie Ground Officer's papers for 1826-7. Included in them was a "List of Population of the Tenantry in the Parish of Eddrachillis" (including householders) for November 1826. Tenants of Lord Reay are also included. The list is grouped by township and provides the following details: - Name of tenant or householder (including widows) - Residence - No. of males in household - No. of females in household - No. of cattle under a year old - No. of cows - No. of sheep - No. of horses >From my amateur knowledge of the parish(es), it appears that the lists for most townships have survived, apart from Scourie township itself (if it existed at that time). The heads of households for 59 "Scouriemore" individuals appear however, but I am unsure if the parish coverage is 100%. Please let me know if I can search for an ancestor for you. Peter Grant London ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

--- Peter Grant wrote: From: "Morag Godfrey-Grant & Peter Grant" <morag&[email protected]> Subject: [SUT] Kinlochbervie/Eddrachillis people 1826 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:00:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: <<[email protected]>> When in Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago, I was dabbling in the Sutherland Papers and came across the Kinlochbervie Ground Officer's papers for 1826-7. Included in them was a "List of Population of the Tenantry in the Parish of Eddrachillis" (including householders) for November 1826. Tenants of Lord Reay are also included. The list is grouped by township and provides the following details: - Name of tenant or householder (including widows) - Residence - No. of males in household - No. of females in household - No. of cattle under a year old - No. of cows - No. of sheep - No. of horses >From my amateur knowledge of the parish(es), it appears that the lists for most townships have survived, apart from Scourie township itself (if it existed at that time). The heads of households for 59 "Scouriemore" individuals appear however, but I am unsure if the parish coverage is 100%. Please let me know if I can search for an ancestor for you. Peter Grant London ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Lister (& especially Malcolm) Have a faded photostat of some poetry written by Charles Mackay from Blackie & Son "Poets & Poetry of Scotland" complied I think by James Grant Wilson. Seems rather decent stuff. Copy is of pages 380 - 389 (I think) and notes that Charles was born at Perth in 1814 but spent much of his early years in London. Somewhere else in there (I remember reading before it faded) is said that he was a 'minor poet'. Seems he visited the States in 1857 as Dr. giving "lectures which well illustrated his genius". Has anyone got this book and if so, copyright considered, can they help me obtain a reasonable print of Charles' work in this? Sounds like an interesting fellow. Any help? John McKay JP Australia

Christine Stokes: I have searched for these people in the Oxford Co., Ontario, area to no avail. They do not appear in the 1852 Census of E. Zorra Township or W. Zorra Township or the 1881 Canadian census. They are not buried in Old Log Cemetery nor in North Embro. Mention was made, however, of a Williamene Calder who married a Jos. Bowes in the Mary 1, 1864, issue of the Ingersoll Chronicle. Ingersoll is in Oxford Co. Is this worth pursuing? Diane Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Calder/Grant > Ann Grant, born 1805 Dornoch, daughter of Hector Grant and Janet Duff, > married Alexander CALDER. They had Isabell, born 1828; Janet 1830; Hector > 1832; Wilhelmina 1834; Ann 1836; Abigail 1838; Ellen 1840; Catherine 1842. > All the children died in Oxford Co. Ontario from 1895 onwards. > Alexander Calder died in 1844 in Oxford Co. > Need to know who this Alexander Calder was - did they marry in Sutherland or > in Canada? > Who were his parents? > Are any descendants of this family still in Oxford Co. > Many thanks > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: bgeddes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 11 October 2002 20:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Calder/Grant > > Christine Stokes: I asked my Calder contact in Ontario if he knew of any > Calder/Grant marriage. He did not but asks if you have further details such > as date or first names. > > Diane Geddes > Michigan USA > > ------- > Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Marlene I tried to email you back regarding my Grahams, but the email address [email protected] was returned. Would you please contact me again if you need any further info. My mysterious Grahams are as follows: Thanks for your info on the Grahams - they are the bane of my existence! I have the following: Alexander Graham born around 1808/9 Elizabeth (Bell) Sutherland born Doll, Clyne around 1793/6 married at Clyne on 13 Feb 1829. Children: born in Doll, Clyne Catherine born 31 mar 1830 George born 26 Mar 1837 ( this is my husbands g grandfather, so have his marriage etc.) Alexander b 1840 The family came to Australia on the Marco Polo in 1852. I have not been able to find any definite record of Catherine, Alexander Snr and Jnr. and I have a possible death of Elizabeth in 1877 - but all the death certificate shows is "widow of Alexander" and born "Sutherland Scotland" In the 1841 census of Clyne Alexander Snr was listed as being local, but in the 1851 census he was listed as born in "I" for Ireland! Do you know where your Donald came from? I haven't found too many Graham's in Sutherland - perhaps there is a relationship? But it is very hard to find!! Will keep your info on file - just in case. If you find out anything about the Grahams in Sutherland, please let me know. Alison Graham ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/