***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Earlier material records of petty crime - stealing wood etc. Mainly papers of individual cases, previously mixed up the sheriff court records. I doubt if there will be a sniff of Jacobitism - very rare in Sutherland. Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Wagner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 November 2002 03:21 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Justice of Peace Hi all I visited this place today www.nas.gov.uk and I clicked on Justice of the Peace In there it says that there are records for Sutherlandshire from 1740-1968 It would be various records I am sure....petty theft, maybe even clearances...drummed up charges...to make them clear the land??? It would most certainly cover the Jacobites....It would be interesting to know if any of my ancestors were Jacobites... Is it clear to anyone else....how one can access this if not in Scotland, If I wrote to the address here, would it send me copies of the records?? Or would I have to be specific do you suppose. I have no interest myself in later records....only those from 1740 to about 1850is...only a 110 years...not bad eh.....lol Tell me your thoughts after you read it Cathy ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

Hi Jeni, I have been researching Grays in Sutherland recently and have some info. on the Armstrong family. The Armstrongs were a family of shepherds originally from the Borders of Scotland. Joseph Gordon Armstrong was christened 17 April 1833 at Creich(IGI) He was the son of Charles Armstrong and Helen Gray. Charles Armstrong was born at Jedburgh Roxburghshire on 16 June 1798(IGI) son of James Armstrong and Mary Wood. Charles died at Shinness Lairg on 25 March 1881.(DC) Charles married Helen Gray at Kildonan on 30 January 1824 (IGI). Helen Gray born circa 1805 is the daughter of George Gray and Isabella Mackay. Helen died on 2 May 1842 aged 37. She is buried in Lairg Cemetery with her mother Isabella Mackay and her sister Mary Gray. Joseph, his father Charles and grandfather James were all shepherds. George Gray was also a shepherd.(Info. from son's death certificate) Joseph and Barbara had the following children (IGI/NC81): Hugh born 22 May 1872 Lairg; Charles born 17 March 1874 Assynt; George born circa 1877 Assynt and Helen born circa 1879 Assynt. In 1881 this family are living in Stoer Assynt.(NC81) As Joseph's father is Charles it seems safe to presume that Barbara's father is Hugh. I can check the marriage of Joseph and Barbara on Tuesday at Reg. house if you like. Sheila Edinburgh Scotland

Janette - I have only been with this list a few days, and already have been amazed at the names I've seen from the Orkney Islands - GUNN and now GROUNDWATER. The Orkney Islands are the main area of interest for my family research and I've got dozens of films for that parish alone. Marriages, 1870 entry # 31 [film # 363130] Here are the details of the 1870 marriage in Kirkwall, you didn't indicate you had them: On the 28th day of Dec'r at Mill Street, Kirkwall. after Banns, according to the forms of the U.P Church [United Presbyterian]. William McLEOD, Plasterer and bachelor aged 20 residing Queen St, Kirkwall married Barbara GROUNDWATER, a spinster aged 25 residing Mill St, Kirkwall. William's parents were Robert McLEOD, Farmer and Henrietta McKAY, deceased. Barbara's parents were Robert GROUNDWATER, Matchmaker, deceased and Ann MORGAN, formerly GROUNDWATER, maiden surname MUIR. David WEBSTER signed as minister of the U. P. Church in Kirkwall, witnesses were William STEWART and Robert WORK. Registered Dec 30 at Kirkwall, John WATSON, Registrar. I have the 1871 census for Kirkwall if you are interested in the census data for this couple, assuming they are still in Kirkwall. Let me know. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma

Hi Janette: The full entry for the marriage of John Calder and Flora Mackenzie on Feb 23 1790 reads as follows: John Calder alias Machustianmaceanicustian, i.e. John Calder, son of Hugh, son of John, son of Hugh, a young man in Arnoble... (and) Flora Mackenzie, alias nin Hustianmacrobiceinikenich, i.e. daughter of Hugh, son of Robert, son of Kenneth, Culhoilroy in Strathmore. I couldn't spot any of the others in a quick glance at my transcript. Regards, Ian Morrison Ontario Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Janette Thomson Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] My SUT interests Janette Margaret THOMSON,7 Mawson Court,Vermont,Victoria,3133,AUSTRALIA. [email protected] I am researching the following families: William MACLEOD,1849,Portskerra,Par. of Reay ;d.1832 Sydney. Master plasterer. (marr. Barbara Elizabeth GROUNDWATER,1870 in Kirkwall,OKI...12 chn ,10 living to adulthood,arrived in Sydney in 1884.)..my gt grandfather Robert MACLEOD,1820,Portskerra,SUT.,d.?,fisherman ( marr Henrietta MACKAY, 1848,par. of Reay,....4 chn...the above Wm my gt grandfather, dau,More/Marion died in infancy in 1857 & sons Robert 1854 & Joseph 1856,both on 1861 census,can't find them on 1871 or 1881 censuses ! did they die young also or ?? )...2xgt grandfather Robert MACLEOD,abt. 1773,Durness,SUT.,d. Portskerra 1869,fisherman. ( marr. Annie CALDER ,1819,par. of Reay,SUT....10 chn )...3xgt grandfather William MACLEOD,abt 1740,fisherman. ( marr Janet MACKAY abt 1773...6 chn)....4x gt grandfather Henrietta MACKAY, 1820,Achramskay,Portskerra,SUT..d. 1857,bur.Strathy Burial Ground)....2x gt grandmother ... Joseph MACKAY,1791,Melvich...1861/71,tenant crofter at Achramskay,Portskerra.(marr Marion SUTHERLAND,1819,Reay.....6 chn)...3x gt grandfather. Marion SUTHERLAND,1795,Farr,SUT...d. 1871/81....3 x gt grandmother Annie CALDER,1794,Durness,SUT...d. ?1871/81.... 3x gt grandmother John (Machustian)CALDER (Iceincustian),b. abt 1765,Durness,SUT...d. ? ,...tenant crofter at Arnoboll. ( marr. Flora MACKENZIE, 1790...4 known chn )...4 x gt grandfather Flora MACKENZIE,b. abt 1760/70,Durness,SUT...d.? ...4 x gt grandmother Kindest regards to you and the team, Janette in Melbourne,Australia ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

A useful website I have come across deals with old medical terms and gives the modern definition. For example phthisis/phthysis pulmonaris is pulmonary tuberculosis. This can be found at http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk then click on Archaic Medical Terms. Marlene Wood In message <[email protected]>, ksp <[email protected]> writes >Format: >Name, profession, marital status; date and place of death; sex; age [in >years unless otherwise noted]; father and occupation; mother [maiden >name shown unless otherwise noted]; cause of death; burial place; >informant. > >Catherine McKAY, pauper, widow; Dec 29, 1859 at Braekirkiboll; F; 84; >Hugh McKENZIE, tenant, deceased; Janet [maiden name not provided], >deceased; general debility; Tongue Burial; Henriettta McKAY, daughter. > >Ann McKAY, pauper; Dec 31, 1859 at Strath, Skerray; F; 76; Alexander >MacKAY, tenant, deceased; no mother listed; general debility; >Torrisdale Burial; Donald SUTHERLAND, neighbor. > >rest are 1860 > >Euphemia McKAY, widow; Jan 11 at Dalnafree, Melness; F; 74; George >McKAY, tenant, deceased; Mary McKAY; consumption; Ferry House Burial; >George SUTHERLAND, neighbor. > >Ann McKAY, widow; Jan 29 at Scullomey; F; 92; John McKAY; tenant, >deceased; Janet McKAY, deceased; general debility; Tongue Burial; John >MacKAY, son. > >Betsy McKAY, widow, pauper; Feb 7 at Strathen, Melness; F; 88; Robert >McKAY, tenant, deceased; no mother listed; general debility; Ferry >House Burial; Robert McKAY, nephew. > >Catherine McKAY; Mar 3 at Strathen, Skerray; F; 11 days; WIlliam McKAY, >tenant; Dollina McKENZIE; unknown; Torrisdale; William McKAY, father. > >Catherine McKAY, widow, pauper; Apr 3 at Scullomey; F; 86; William >McKAY, tenant, deceased; Yoni [really does look like Y o n i] McKAY, >deceased; unknown; Tongue Burial; George McKAY, son-in-law. > >no forename NICOL; Apr 15 at Braetongue; F; 10 minutes; no father >listed; Janet NICOL; unknown; Tongue Burial; John NICOL; grandfather. > >Hector McKAY; May 5 at Scullomey; M; 11 months; William McKAY, >fisherman; Merran McKAY; unknown; Tongue Burial; Donald McKAY, uncle. > >Janet McKAY, widow; Apr 13 at Slettle; F; 60; Alexander ELDER, >deceased; Janet McKAY, deceased; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; George >McLEOD, neighbour. > >Barbara McKAY, widow, pauper; May 6 at Braetongue; F; 90; Hugh McKAY, >tenant, deceased; Betty McKAY, deceased; general debility; Tongue >Burial; Donald CAMPBELL, son. > >Christy McKAY, widow; May 1 at Torrisdale; F; 88; Alexander GUNN, >deceased; no mother listed; general debility; Farr Burial; ? McKAY, >neighbour. > >Christina SUTHERLAND, married; May 8 at Strath, Tongue; F; 59; William >McKAY, tenant, deceased; Ann McKAY, deceased; consumption; Tongue >Burial; Alexander SUTHERLAND, son. > >Christina McLEOD; May 13 at Talmine, Melness; F; 9 weeks; Donald >McLEOD, general assembly teacher; Jessie HUMPHREY; unknown; Ferry House >Burial; Donald McLEOD, father. > >Andrew REID, single; May 24 at Braetongue; M; 25; William REID, tenant; >Mary ANDERSON, deceased; chronic meningitis 3 weeks; Tongue Burial; >Daniel REID, brother. > >Hugh Donald Munro MacKAY; May 23 at Torroy, Skerray; M; 8 months; >Donald MacKAY, labourer; Margaret MUNRO; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; >Donald MacKAY, grandfather. > >Hugh McKAY, single; Jun 7 at Skerray Mains, Skerray; M; 17; Donald >McKAY, tenant; Sarah McKAY; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; Donald MacKAY, >father. > >Angus McKAY, carpenter, married; June 24 at Talmine, Melness; M; 61; >Angus McKAY, deceased; Bell McKAY; general debility; Ferry House >Burial; Angus McKAY, son. > >Barbara MUNRO, married; Jul 15 at Strath, Tongue; F; 66; Alexander >SUTHERLAND, tenant, deceased; Marion [no maiden name listed], deceased; >disease of liver with dropsical complications 6 months; Tongue Burial; >Donald MATHESON, son-in-law. > >Thomas McKAY; Jul 21 at Achtolly Lots, Skerray; M; 8 months; William >McKAY, mason; Marran McKAY; diarrhoea [rising from irritation of >teething] 6 weeks; Torrisdale Burial; William McKAY, father. > >Donald CAMPBELL, married; Jul 27 at Dalcharn; M; 72; Isaac CAMPBELL, >deceased; Mary McKAY; deceased; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; Margaret >CAMPBELL, spouse. > >Janet MUNRO, single; Aug 13 at Talmine, Melness; F; 14; James MUNRO, >tenant; Barbara CAMPBELL; unknown; Ferry House Burial; Donald McKAY, >neighbour. > >Donald McKAY, married; Aug 24 at Skerray Mains; M; 65; Hugh McKAY, >deceased; Margaret [no maiden name given], deceased; unknown; >Torrisdale Burial; Alexander MacKAY, son. > >Angus McKAY (DON), widower, pauper; Aug 31 at Skinnid, Melness; M; 88; >Angus McKAY, deceased; no mother listed; general debility; Ferry House >Burial; Donald MacKAY, nephew. > >Marion MANSON; Sep 3 at Dalcharn; F; 8 weeks; Alexander MANSON, tenant; >Johan McKAY; unknown; Tongue Burial; Alexander McKAY; cousin. > >Betty MUNRO; Sep 9 at Skinnid, Melness; F; 17; John MUNRO, fisherman; >Catherine McKAY; smallpox; Ferry House Burial; Robert McKAY, neighbour. > >Donald McKAY, married; Sep 29 at Island Roan; M; 54; Angus McKAY, >deceased; Mary CAMPBELL; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; Donald McKAY, >nephew. > >Alexander MANSON, married; Sep 29 at Dalcharn; M; 52; Alexander MANSON, >deceased; Euphemia McKAY; consumption; Tongue Burial; Alexander McKAY, >nephew. > >Mary McKAY, married; Oct 10 at Achtolly Lots, Skerray; F; 45; George >McKAY; Betty McKAY; unknown, Torrisdale Burial; Robert McKAY, son. > >Wymes GORDON; Oct 21 at Hyshbacky, Tongue; M; 5; John GORDON, deceased; >Bell McKENZIE; unknown; Tongue Burial; William McLEOD, neighbour. > >Johan McKAY, single; Oct 28 at Tubeg, Skerray; F; 13; George McKAY, >tenant; Mary McKAY; consumption; Torrisdale Burial; George McKAY, >father. > >Hector John McKAY; Nov [no day] at Mall Skerray; M; 7 months; Gordon >McKAY, labourer; Betty ROSS; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; Gordon McKAY, >father. > >Catherine McKAY, married; Aug 15 at Achtolly Lots, Skerray; F; 65; >Donald McKAY, deceased; Jane McKAY, deceased; unknown; Torrisdale >Burial; James MacKAY, son. > >Johan MANSON, widow; Nov 17 at Dalcharn; F; 40; Angus McKAY, deceased; >Marion [no maided name listed]; committed suicide; Tongue Burial; >Alexander McKAY, neighbour. > >Mina ROSS, married pauper; Dec 20 at Braekirkiboll, Tongue; F; 72; no >parents listed; general debility; Tongue Burial; Archibald McNEILL, >Inspector of Poor. > >that's the lot for 1860 > >Karen Sutherland-Pahia >Kahaluu, Oahu, Hawaii > >______________________________ -- Mike Wood

If you found any errors or cannot find your ancestor note the following which was in a UK national newspaper today: “Amateur historians eager for data from the 1901 census website are being frustrated by a new hiccup – the online service is riddled with errors and spelling mistakes that can make it almost impossible to use. The errors are so bad that in some cases, the website has wiped towns from the map and told site users that their ancestors never existed. Many of the howlers have been attributed to the fact that a large number of the details were indexed by companies based in Sri Lanka and India.” Can you imagine a typist in Sri Lanka understanding some of the obscure place names in Sutherland? Oh dear! Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Meg, Thank you for your kind help. Graham, Christchurch, New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: <> Sent: Friday, 1 November 2002 8:00 PM Subject: [SUT] Re: 1855 Marriages Post > Graham in New Zealand, here is your lot also : > > >Assynt > >McLeod,Cirsty 3, married Angus McLeod > On January 15 at Shonchrubie, Marriage after Banns.....Free Church of Scotland ceremony. > Angus McLEOD of Knockan, Assynt, usually of same, age 55 a Tenant and bachelor. Born and registered 9 July, 1800 at > Knockan to John McLEOD, Tenant, deceased and Catherine McLEOD. > Cirsty McLEOD of Knockan, Assynt, usually of same, age 40, a spinster. Born and registered on 15 Feb 1815 at Knockan to > Angus McLEOD, Tenant and Catherine McLEOD. > Signed by Charles GORDON, Free Church Minister. Witnesses were Agnus McLEOD and Donald McLEOD. Registered Jan 11 at > Assynt. Angus McEWEN, Registrar. > > > >Farr > >Mcleod,Jane 5, married John Sutherland > On Nov 23, 1855 at Armadale, Marriage after Banns....Established Church of Scotland ceremony. > John SUTHERLAND of Borgie, usually of same, age 22 a Grieve. Born Forse, parish of Thurso and registered at Thurso Oct > 1833 to John SUTHERLAND, a Barn Man and Margaret McGREGOR. > Jane McLEOD of Strathy, usually of same, age 28 a spinster. Born at Strathy and registered at Farr in 1827 to William > McLEOD, Tenant and Chirsty McDONALD. > Signed David MACKENZIE, Minister Free Church of Farr. Witnesses were John H. McKENZIE and Alexander McKENZIE. Registered > Nov 24 at Farr School House. John McDOUGALL, Registrar. > > > >Golspie > >MacLeod Christy 5, married James MacKay > At Golspie on 15 June, 1855 after Banns........Free Church of Scotland ceremony. > James MacKAY [William MacPHAIL and Adam GUNN witnesses to mark, X], of Kirkton, usually resided same, age 25, a > Labourer. Born Rogart, registered at Rogart in 1830 to James MacKAY, Tenant and Catherine MacKAY. > Christy MACLEOD [William MacPHAIL and Adam GUNN witnesses to mark, X], of Daummuie [?], usually of same, age 29. Born > Golspie, registered Golspie 1826 to John MACLEOD, a Labourer, mother not named. > Charles MACKENZIE signed as Free Church Minister of Golspie. Witnesses were William MACPHAIL and Adam GUNN. Registered > June 16 at Golspie. Thomas FRASER, Registrar. > > Meg in Oklahoma, USA > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi everyone As you know POSH has a co-ordinator in USA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND & AUSTRIALIA. Unfortunately due to current pressures of work Carolyn in USA has had no choice but to pull out. She is still very supportive of POSH and will give us more time when she retires from work in a year or two. Do we have a person in the USA (or two – huge country) who would be willing to take over this role. If you would like more detail of exactly what being our co-ordinator means, the time it takes, etc. then please contact me of list and I will be happy to fill you in. Many thanks Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Edward Quite a question which sent me to my bookshelves! Unfortunately struggling to find the answer but this is my interpretation. I think you have read the document correctly. I do not believe the people needed to have the stated monies - merely binding a contract. If they did not marry they then paid. Guess most would of course have married as the 'ordinary' man and woman could not have raised this sum. I do believe there would have been a charge to marry but feel that it would not have been the large amount you quote. With a sum like that no one would have been married! I have read that in the case of a clandestine marriage the church session could impose a fine - presumably this could have been a higher sum than the cost of marrying. Your ascendants - if these prove to be them - did not marry in the Free Church. The Free Church only came into being following the dissent of 1843 when many of the people walked away from the Established church of Scotland. Prior to that they would have been married by the Established church. None the less the document you have is unusual. Normally the old parish registers of the Church of Scotland do not show this kind of detail. Perhaps this was specific to Assynt - anyone know? It is also worth knowing that it would have been most unusual in Sutherland to actually marry in the church. Normally the minister would visit those concerned and carry out the service at their home or at some other gathering. The same is true on baptism of children. Sorry I cannot be more helpful - perhaps someone else can? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 November 2002 21:04 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] OPR Extract 1806 - Query The following is an extract of the marriage of who I believe are my ggg grandparents which is not very clear and I'm seeking help to correct the words in quotes, and afterwards I have a query: £80 Scots Dec 20th 1806 Then contracted in order to marriage Niel Kerr residing in Loch beanach & Chirsty McLeod in Baddygninan the same to take place in due course of law under the above penalty of £80 Scots; half to be paid to the party willing to implement the 'promise' (unclear - is promise correct?) & the other half to the 'Session' (again unclear) of Assynt by the party failing. Their names and marks were then written below. Is my transcript correct, or could someone help me with the words in quotes please? My query is: I assume that the sum of money was to ensure people went through with their commitments to both the church and to the 'innocent' party. Was this a 'normal procedure with all churches or only to the Free Church (where I believe they were married)? Secondly, was it a frequent occurrence that the 'engagements' of the time were not followed through? And why would that be? £80 even in Scots money terms seems a huge amount - would the people have that 'tucked beneath their mattresses'? edward Limpsfield, Surrey ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Theresa, I can't find the burial of Lieut. David Sutherland 1835 in either graveyard in Dornoch (Cowper & Ross). It is a bit early for memorials to have survived at Cathedral, most were cleared for rebuilding in late 1830s. Do you have death record from OPR? Let me know if you would like me to look up. Best regards, Denise A. Ferne

Hi Meg, It is the same Robina Gunn. She was born at Inchcape Rogart on 28th February 1879 daughter of Alexander Gunn and Isabella Sutherland ( not Bannerman that is a mistake on the marriage certificate - her aunt Sarah Gunn married a Bannerman). Her Gunn grandmother Helen Gray was a sister of my 2x gt.grandmother Margaret Gray. Robina Ross died in Aberdeen on 2 December 1953 widow of John Ross church of Scotland minister who died in Aberdeen in 1948. Thanks for all the postings of the 1855 marriages - very interesting. Sheila Mackay Edinburgh, Scotland

List - Have received marriage information about a marriage in Edinburgh between John ROSS and Robina GUNN in 1907. Robina was listed as aged 34, making her birth year about 1880. 1880 and 1881 showed nothing for any Robina's at all, but 1879 showed a Robina GUNN born Rogart #6 much to my surprise ! Before I started the Sutherlandshire Postings I had no clue where Rogart was - but I do now ! If anyone is interested - here is the data, it turned out not to be 'my' Robina GUNN. 1907 Marriage January 8 in St Giles parish of Edinburgh, entry # 58 : Free Church marriage at The Manse, Alness, between John ROSS, Minister of the United Free Church, a bachelor aged 34 and Robina GUNN, a Schoolteacher, spinster aged 27. She lived on Priorost Road, Ferry Port on Craig. His parents were John ROSS, Farm Manager and Phobe ROSS [same married surname as maiden surname]. Her parents were Alexander GUNN, Farmer and Isabella BANNERMAN. Witnesses were W. Lonnon SMITH and Jane GUNN I have no PROOF that this Robina GUNN is the same one born in Rogart, entry # 6, but the age indicates a strong possibility. MEG

Hello Listers, While at the library today, I found two excellent source books that have a lot of information about my great-great uncle John SUTHERLAND who came to Argyle, Eldon Township, Victoria County, Ontario in1884 with his wife Catherine. These books include photos and brief biographies of original settlers of the area. Though mostly settled by people from the Western Islands, there are some Sutherlandshire folks mentioned. These books are both written by Rae.B. Fleming, Argyle-A Pioneer Village and Eldon Connections. These books are locally printed so I doubt many of the listers have them. The Sutherland people are: Donald GRANT(1777-1865) and wife Catherine MACKAY emigrated 1831 with their six children, John b.1811, Hector, Andrew, Christine m. John GUNN (see below), Donald, Catherine. John married Isabelle MACKAY and is the grandfather to Dr.R.A.(Bert )MACKAY the former Canadian Ambassador to Norway! Rod GRANT b.1795 (no origins in Scotland given but , maybe) Doanld GUNN and wife Flora b.1801 who emigrated with children Robert F. b.1825 and John b.1829. Elizabeth was born in Ontario. Alex MUNRO and wife Margaret GUNN(related to above) Golspie native Donald SUTHERLAND, pensioner of 72nd Regiment of Foot, and wife Ann who emigrated in 1830 with son John and a daughter that died on the voyage. Donald is said to be a relative of a SUTHERLAND that served with Gen. Wolfe in Canada and returned to Scotland. And, I saved the best for last! Marilyn are you listening??!!?? from Farr- Andrew and John MACKAY of Aultnaharrow(sic) who came to Toronto 1836, Charles and Angus settled elsewhere. John MACKAY is another grandfather of the Ambassador! If you would like the information that is in these books, just ask, I will be more than happy to share. I feel great that I can contribute finally! Incidentally,great-great uncle's son Hugh was a major contributor of stories in the Argyle Pioneer book, which was written in the 40's and printed locally. Here is a knee-slapper he told. Canadian born Hugh, when first visting Brora to look up his relations, reported, "I got off the train and the first man I met I asked him if he knew anybody by the name of SUTHERLAND. He laughed and said, "I don't know anybody else."" Take Care, Eileen Jefferies Bobcaygeon, Ontario, Canada --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Edward, Surely Free Church only began in 1843? Denise, Sutherland, Scotland

Meg, Many, many thanks. These are wonderful. Denise, Sutherland, Scotland

If anyone is available, could someone lookup in the Cowper & Ross booklet of burials: Lieut. David Sutherland, aged 76, died 14 May 1835 in Dornoch. thankyou, Theresa

The following is an extract of the marriage of who I believe are my ggg grandparents which is not very clear and I'm seeking help to correct the words in quotes, and afterwards I have a query: £80 Scots Dec 20th 1806 Then contracted in order to marriage Niel Kerr residing in Loch beanach & Chirsty McLeod in Baddygninan the same to take place in due course of law under the above penalty of £80 Scots; half to be paid to the party willing to implement the 'promise' (unclear - is promise correct?) & the other half to the 'Session' (again unclear) of Assynt by the party failing. Their names and marks were then written below. Is my transcript correct, or could someone help me with the words in quotes please? My query is: I assume that the sum of money was to ensure people went through with their commitments to both the church and to the 'innocent' party. Was this a 'normal procedure with all churches or only to the Free Church (where I believe they were married)? Secondly, was it a frequent occurrence that the 'engagements' of the time were not followed through? And why would that be? £80 even in Scots money terms seems a huge amount - would the people have that 'tucked beneath their mattresses'? edward Limpsfield, Surrey

Cathy, Most countries and particularly counties in UK have Dept of Justice or something similar where a registry of JP's is maintained. This usually includes a historical listing going way, way back. A number of sittings of JP's may be kept in that register. Whether or not they would send you information pertaining to a particular JP depends largely upon FOI requirements and you may have to prove a linkage. Certainly worth a letter or even a phone call. I had a JP ancestor early 1900s and was able to get some interesting records of him here (Victoria, Australia). Otherwise if you know where he 'sat' the local courts in that area may be able to assist. Best Wishes John McKay JP -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Wagner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 2 November 2002 2:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Justice of Peace Hi all I visited this place today www.nas.gov.uk and I clicked on Justice of the Peace In there it says that there are records for Sutherlandshire from 1740-1968 It would be various records I am sure....petty theft, maybe even clearances...drummed up charges...to make them clear the land??? It would most certainly cover the Jacobites....It would be interesting to know if any of my ancestors were Jacobites... Is it clear to anyone else....how one can access this if not in Scotland, If I wrote to the address here, would it send me copies of the records?? Or would I have to be specific do you suppose. I have no interest myself in later records....only those from 1740 to about 1850is...only a 110 years...not bad eh.....lol Tell me your thoughts after you read it Cathy ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Christine, among all the other things you are doing, please could you check to see if the Free Church of Rogart has any ref. to birth/bapt. of Janet(Jessie) Mackay in abt 1848, dau. of Helen Mackay of Achvrail, father in Jessie's marriage cert given as Peter Mackay. thanks, Ann Hamilton NZ/Aotearoa

Linda, we have a William Sutherland born 1811 Dornoch, married Elspeth Hay 1835 Dprnoch, family James, John , William, Isabella. We know about descendants of James aand Isabella, and William jun. died young. John married Jane Waugh and had 3 children Elspeth, Williamina and Robert. John died probably in Edinburghm before his father died in 1889. Does any of this look like your family? regards, Ann Mackay Hamilton NZ/Aotearoa