Hi all Found this online.....is this the James Murray from Sutherlandshire?? Queen's American Rangers Murray's Company Muster Roll of Capt. James MURRAY’s Company Queen’s Rangers Commanded by Lieut. Col. Jno. Graves SIMCOE, being from 25th December 1779 to February 23rd 1780 inclusive. Captain James MURRAY Lieutenant Thomas MURRAY Ensign Caleb HOWE Sgt Samuel BURNET Sgt James McCOMB Sgt Mills SWEENY Promoted 16 Jany. 1780 Cpl Gilbert GARLAND Cpl William BURNET Cpl Joshua READING Cpl John GEE Transferred to Capt. KERR’s 30 Jany. 1780 Drummer James CUMMINGS Nathaniel HEUSTEAD James BROWN John BOURNES Simon CHRISTOPHER John CONNER Robert CLARK Deserted 10 Feby. 1780 Richard ASPLE do do Daniel DOWNS William DONNEGAN Ferdinando GONSOLAS Thomas OLDEN Thomas HACKET Edward HEIFERMAN James HIGGINS Jacob IDEN Robert KENYON Jeremiah LAWLESS Josephus LYALL James MOLAN Thomas MOORE James McEWEN Edward McMULLAN Patrick McMAHAN Regimental hospital Patrick QUIN Genl. Hospital Alexander ROSS Regtl. hospital John SHEVERE John TILBY James TRAYNOR George THOMAS Thomas THOMPSON Edward VERMILIAR William BREADDY Preferred in Capt. AGNEWs James McCORMICK Preferred in Capt. AGNEWs Samuel ATTWOOD Marmaduke NEGSON 17 Jany. 1780 Lt. MATHEWSON Henry LINN do do John ALDBROOK 16 do Capt. MURRAY Bartholomew ENGLISH 23 do Lt. MATHEWSON Isaac LOFFLEY 28 do Lt. ALLAN Hugh DONNELLY 2 Feby. 1780 Capt. MURRAY Edward GRIFFIN do do James KEATTON 3 do do Benjamin MOODY do do William KIRK do do William GERRARD Cathy

Did not know the story of these three Mansons, but having entered all but the last three lists from Karen into my database, I had notice a high proportion of TB/chest infection related deaths. I think my year was one of the first in UK to have a BCG vaccination against TB, at school. My uncle spent many years in isolation hospitals and died in the early 1960s of TB, so it persisted for a very long time. Looking at the deaths in Tongue I was also impressed by the high number of deaths in age late 80s and 90s. It is this sort of pattern that interests me. I have no known Sutherland ancestors, so its not necessarily the detail that intersts me, but I find the overall picture fascinating. Note: Parts of Golspie were flooded last Sunday night with high tide and high wind. Denise, Sutherland, Scotland

Had a note from Sara saying what happened to the cookbook? My reply: Now there's a point - the cookbook! Have to be honest here and say that a) I forgot this one and b) time will not allow me to do anything further until we catch up! Now, as the cookbook was a really good idea what about a volunteer to gather up all those old Scottish recipes to form the POSH COOKBOOK. If someone will take this project on we will print it and distribute it. Could be good fun for a willing volunteer - gather recipes around the world - cooking from the old homeland? All those things our Scots grannies taught us - develop it into a fun, useful book. Over to you. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Hi Your POSH committee has a meeting on the 17th November in Edinburgh. At this meeting we will be discussing setting the new subscription rate for membership, approving the new handbook for members, planning our next burial ground, organising the next stage of the Photographic project, and making firm plans for the book From Sutherland to Other Lands. If there is anything else you would like your committee to discuss then please feel free to mention it now on this list. We can perhaps get some debate going and some good ideas for the future. This can only help the committee do the things you would like us to do if you know what I mean!! Over to you. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Did anyone notice those 3 sad deaths in Dalcharn in 1860? Is anyone on the list researching these Mansons in Tongue? Sep. 3, 1860 MARION MANSON. Died age 8 weeks, dau of Alex Manson & Johan Mackay. She was at least their 11th child. Sep. 29, 1860 ALEXANDER MANSON, the father. Died age 52 of consumption. Nov.17, 1860 JOHAN MANSON, the mother. Died age 40, committed suicide. Makes me glad I didn't contract "the plague" until 90 years later - or I might not be here today! Counting my blessings, Mary, in Edinburgh

Maybe the Committee should note the problem facing Peterborough United football club? In the news this week Posh Spice Victoria thingumy is seriously dischuffed that the club are using the word Posh ( their nickname since 1934-before you know who was born ) on all their posters and souvenirs. How posh can you get? Fraser MacKenzie Sutherland.

Okay this is something right up my alley...Did one last year for Children's Miracle Network. As I am retiring in February I would have the time then to help compile and edit the cookbook ...Its up to you..Would be an excellent item for Christmas giving new year Carolyn

Hi Jenny I would love the info on Murdoch Mackay. Think he may be one of my own. thanks Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Jenny MacKay [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 06 November 2002 00:11 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] FREE CHURCH OF ROGART MARRIAGES Hi Christine Re entry: 1875, 29 Jan, SUTHERLAND John, Taunqhaachuie1, OMAN Jessie, Taunachy1 Many thanks for sending these to the list. I have a copy of the original marriage entry and it does read as Taunachy on both entries and Jessie should be Jemima. I guess the handwriting on the index is bad compared to the actual marriage entries. There is also the entry for Murdoch MCKAY, Achaillieu and Anne MUNRO, Ardchue (1875) copied onto the same sheet if anyone is searching that family and would like a copy of the certificate. Keep up the good work. Jenny MacKay West Australia ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Hi Christine Re entry: 1875, 29 Jan, SUTHERLAND John, Taunqhaachuie1, OMAN Jessie, Taunachy1 Many thanks for sending these to the list. I have a copy of the original marriage entry and it does read as Taunachy on both entries and Jessie should be Jemima. I guess the handwriting on the index is bad compared to the actual marriage entries. There is also the entry for Murdoch MCKAY, Achaillieu and Anne MUNRO, Ardchue (1875) copied onto the same sheet if anyone is searching that family and would like a copy of the certificate. Keep up the good work. Jenny MacKay West Australia

Thanks Sara - I have messaged [email protected] Denise, Sutherland, Scotland

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth C" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: PRO proposals - please read > Dear listers, > > I wonder if others are aware of proposals by the PRO to destroy some > 'overseas records' due to needing more storage space? > Responses are needed by the 15th of November so please do read to the end of > this email. > > I have not been able to find any announcement on the PRO website, but there > is a good summary on the Federation of Family History Societies page at: > http://www.ffhs.org.uk/Societies/Liaison/News.htm > > May I urge everyone to visit this page. You can download the entire > proposal document using a link there. (You need Adobe Acrobat but that is > freely available on the internet.) > > You may feel that as you do not have any 'overseas' events, it doesn't > concern you; please look at the FFHS page anyway! We all know about > mistakes in records, particularly copies, and sometimes even in > originals.... > The PRO will always have 'problems' with storage space, and the FFHS and the > Society Of Genealogists have already offered to take these 'spares' so they > could be saved for checking in the future. (Sometimes copies have been > corrected and are more accurate than originals.) > > 'Overseas' includes bmd's at sea, on aircraft and hovercraft amongst other > places! > > Please do look at the FFHS page and send a response to the PRO. Once the > decision to destroy the records is taken they will be gone forever - like so > many others! I understand that they were looking to re-house some Wills and > were approached by the SOG with an offer of safe-keeping. When they looked > for the Wills they realised that they had been destroyed 10 years ago! > > Many emails from individual 'users' could make the difference! > > Ruth in Brum > > > > > ==== SCT-FIFE Mailing List ==== > . > >

Ordered a copy of a marriage record and, though of no help to me, got the following two marriages. Hope they're of help to someone else. July 9, 1875 at West Helmsdale, Kildonan, after banns according to the Forms of the Free Church, Colin McKENZIE, railway labourer, bachelor, age 24, usual address Helmsdale, Kildonan, father Roderick McKENZIE, fisherman and mother Catherine [M.S.] McKENZIE married Margaret FRASER, domestic servant, spinster, age 26, usual residence West Helmsdale, Kildonan; father John FRASER, farmer, deceased, mother Janet [MS]SUTHERLAND; witnesses William BRUCE and James SUTHERLAND, Alex MURCHISON Free Ch. Minister. July 26, 1875 at Helmsdale after banns according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland, Donald SUTHERLAND, Shepherd, bachelor, age 25, father John SUTHERLAND, Farmer, mother Jessie MacDONALD married Mary RAE, domestic servant, spinster, age 24 normal residence Borrable, Kildonan, father Robert RAE, Sheep manager; mother Mary LITTLE, deceased; witnesses Roderick SUTHERLAND and Thomas RAE; Patrick CLARK, minister of Kildonan Karen Kahaluu, Oahu, Hawaii

Hello, I was looking through the list archives and noted this posted by Barbara Sterling in April 2001. Posting called "SUTHERLAND NAMES" Taken from "British Army Officers"LDS FHC film#0857935, See past message for details. Is this him? Lt. David SUTHERLAND, retired full pay of Garrison Co, mentions arrears in pay Will:At Dornoch 7 April 1836, residing Dornoch, He died there from effects of rupture 14 May 1855 buried Churchyard Dornoch aged between 60-70yrs. TTFN Eileen Jefferies Bobcaygeon, Ontario, Canada --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Some spare Banns and marriages from 1853 Creich Parish, Sutherland OPR Register. May 2 Angus BETHUNE of Saval Lairg & Christina MACKAY of Portinlick Creich. May 23 Alexander MURRAY , Labourer of Rhabreck Creich & Ann GUNN of Ceanlochlagain Creich. May 23 James BROWN, postman of Bonar & Ann MACKAY of Bonar. June 6 Hugh MACLEOD, tenant of Meikle Atlas Creich & Ann GRAHAM of Little Atlas Creich. June 19 David ROSS sawyer of Rosehall Creich & Grace ROSS of Badarach, Kincardine. June 27 Donald GUNN of Ceanlochlagain Creich & Margaret URQUHART of Midosegate, Fearn. August 15 William MACKENZIE labourer of Barbaraville, Kilmuir, & Betsy BARCLAY of Tulloch Creich. August 22 William DUFF labourer of Spinningdale & Betsy MANN of Spinningdale. Sept 5 James MUNRO servant of Palrossie Creich & Effy CUMMING of Palrossie. Sept 5 George MACLEAN labourer of Linside Creich & Jane MURRAY of Linside. It was a little difficult deciphering some of the letters for place names but perhaps it may be of use to someone out there. Cheers still no rain Lizzi in Aus.

Free Church Records of Rogart, Registration of Marriages, 1874 – 1886, In the parish of Rogart THESE ARE ALL THE MARRIAGES SHOWN IN THE REGISTER. YEAR, Date, NAME, RESIDING, MARRIED TO, OF 1878, 26 Apr, BANNERMAN Alexander, Golspie, SIMPSON Jessie, Badachraskie 1875, 5 Feb, CAMPBELL Duncan, Ardachu, ROSS Anne, Blarich 1874, 18 Dec, CAMPBELL John, Banscoll, SUTHERLAND Catherine, Morness 1877, 3 Aug, FINLAYSON William, Kildonan, SUTHERLAND Anne, Culdrain 1886, 26 Feb, FORBES George , Davoch, MACKAY Elspet, Achvrail 1880, 18 Aug, GORDON Alexander, Rhelochan, MACDONALD Barbara, Morness 1876, 29 Dec, GORDON Duncan, Muie, MACKAY Jessie, Achusal 1875, 2 Dec, GRAHAM John, Achore, INNES Mary, Achore 1876, 6 Sep, GRANT Andrew, Lochinver, Assynt, MACKINTOSH Christina, Muie 1885, 1 May, GUNN Donald, Brora, MACKAY Isabella , West Langwell 1882, 13 Oct, INNES Robert, Inchcape, MACKAY Margaret, Achtomlinie 1876, 24 Nov, MACDONALD Alexander, Lairg, LESLIE Kate, West Langwell 1886, 29 Jan, MACDONALD Donald, Drumarigid, MATHESON Barbara, Inchomnie 1875, Aug 13, MACKAY Alexander, Achnagarrin, SUTHERLAND Williamina, Achoilleach 1884, 15 Aug, MACKAY Alexander, Muie, MACKAY Sibla, Inchoraig 1876, 9 Aug, MACKAY Angus, Achvrail, VASS Jane, Rossal 1875, Dec 10, MACKAY Donald , Banscoll, GORDON Henrietta, Morness 1880, 24 Oct, MACKAY Donald, Kinloch, Golspie, INGRAM Mary, Morvich 1877, 20 Apr, MACKAY Duncan, Davochbeg, MACKAY Anne, Ardachu 1885, 20 Mar, MACKAY Gabriel, Braegrudy, MUNRO Mary I., Craggie 1877, 16 feb, MACKAY John, Culdrain, MURRAY mary, Cnocarthur 1884, 11 Jan, MACKAY John, Rheidcalmie, SUTHERLAND Kate, Culdrain 1875, 29 Jan, MACKAY Murdoch, Achoillie, MUNRO Anne, Ardarachu 1879, 13 Jun, MACKAY Murdoch, Falkirk, MACKENZIE Hannah, Torbreck 1877, 26 Apr, MACKAY Robert, tailor, Pittentrail, MACKAY Charlotte, Poles, Dornoch 1876, 16 Feb, MACKENZIE William, Blairmore, BANNERMAN Catherine, East Langwell 1886, 5 Jan, MACKINTOSH Peter, Muie, MACKENZIE Susanna, Ardachu 1879, 1 Jul, MACLEOD Hugh, Amat, Clyne, BELL Jane, Amat, Clyne 1880, 26 Nov, MACPHERSON Alexander, Pittentrail, SUTHERLAND Jane, Rogart 1876, 31 Mar, MATHESON Alexander, Clashmore, HAMILTON Margaret, Rossal 1877, 4 Sep, MATHESON John, Inchomnie, SUTHERLAND Anne, Sciberscross, Clyne 1876, Jun 23, MELVILLE John, Clyne, BAILLIE Jane, Drimarigid 1875, 26 Feb, MURRAY Alexander, Rhemusaig, MACKENZIE Jane, Torbreck 1874, 15 May, MURRAY John, Muie, MACKAY Christina, Achoillie 1882, 24 Nov, MURRAY John, Morness, MACKAY Maggie, Ardichonacher 1882, 19 May, RAE Graham, , MACKAY Christina, Kinloch 1877, 9 Mar, ROSS David, Kincardine, Ross-shire, ROSS Isabella, Inchcape 1876, 3 Mar , ROSS Donald, Blairmore, MACKENZIE Jemima, Blairmore 1877, 28 Dec, ROSS James shepherd, Rogart, MACDONALD Mary, Cnockarthur 1878, 27 Dec, ROSS John, Edderton, Ross-shire, MACKAY Catherine, Morness 1879, 21 Mar, SUTHERLAND Andrew, Rheline, SUTHERLAND Catrine, Culdrain 1886, 29 Jan, SUTHERLAND Andrew, Golspie, MACDONALD Davina, Rogart 1875, 29 Jan, SUTHERLAND John, Taunqhaachuie1, OMAN Jessie, Taunachy1 1875, 1 Jan, SUTHERLAND Robert, Morvich, CALDER Bella , Morvich 1876, 11 Feb, SUTHERLAND Robert, Rossal, MURRAY Margaret, Rossal 1880, 31 Dec, WATSON Dugald, Achork, INNES Barbara, Knocarthur Notes: 1 = spelling of place names in this entry difficult to read. Presume it means Taunachy in both cases. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

My copy just came into me so now I see what you can see – couple of notes – where there is a number next to a person’s name or place name the number refers to the notes at the end. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Many thanks to all who've commented.......... edward Limpsfield, Surrey

Hi everyone I have some queries about some information that have just come into my knowledge. I looked for the old list of the people those of us on this mailing list where researching. It must have been attached to the old p-o-s-h website, I guess. Does a list like this exist any more, Christine, or will that list only be in the new Posh Handbook for members only, if I understand correctly? I am looking for anyone connected to Joseph Gordon ARMSTRONG and his wife Barbara ROSS. Is there anyone on this list researching this family? Kind regards Jeni Simpson, Christchurch, New Zealand --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24:10:2002

Janette Margaret THOMSON,7 Mawson Court,Vermont,Victoria,3133,AUSTRALIA. [email protected] I am researching the following families: William MACLEOD,1849,Portskerra,Par. of Reay ;d.1832 Sydney. Master plasterer. (marr. Barbara Elizabeth GROUNDWATER,1870 in Kirkwall,OKI...12 chn ,10 living to adulthood,arrived in Sydney in 1884.)..my gt grandfather Robert MACLEOD,1820,Portskerra,SUT.,d.?,fisherman ( marr Henrietta MACKAY, 1848,par. of Reay,....4 chn...the above Wm my gt grandfather, dau,More/Marion died in infancy in 1857 & sons Robert 1854 & Joseph 1856,both on 1861 census,can't find them on 1871 or 1881 censuses ! did they die young also or ?? )...2xgt grandfather Robert MACLEOD,abt. 1773,Durness,SUT.,d. Portskerra 1869,fisherman. ( marr. Annie CALDER ,1819,par. of Reay,SUT....10 chn )...3xgt grandfather William MACLEOD,abt 1740,fisherman. ( marr Janet MACKAY abt 1773...6 chn)....4x gt grandfather Henrietta MACKAY, 1820,Achramskay,Portskerra,SUT..d. 1857,bur.Strathy Burial Ground)....2x gt grandmother ... Joseph MACKAY,1791,Melvich...1861/71,tenant crofter at Achramskay,Portskerra.(marr Marion SUTHERLAND,1819,Reay.....6 chn)...3x gt grandfather. Marion SUTHERLAND,1795,Farr,SUT...d. 1871/81....3 x gt grandmother Annie CALDER,1794,Durness,SUT...d. ?1871/81.... 3x gt grandmother John (Machustian)CALDER (Iceincustian),b. abt 1765,Durness,SUT...d. ? ,...tenant crofter at Arnoboll. ( marr. Flora MACKENZIE, 1790...4 known chn )...4 x gt grandfather Flora MACKENZIE,b. abt 1760/70,Durness,SUT...d.? ...4 x gt grandmother Kindest regards to you and the team, Janette in Melbourne,Australia

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** No disagreement with what has been said only to point out that £80 Scots was £6 13s 4d sterling - roughly equivalent to two years rent of a small tenants holding. The fact that it is in Scots at this late date suggests that it was a customary sum of some antiquity (officially Scots money went out with the Union of 1707 but accounts etc continued to be reckoned in £ Scots until about the 1760s). 'Penalty' for non performance was a normal part of any contract, particularly bonds or obligations to pay. Cases were sometimes brought in the courts when a party did not go through with (his!) promise - there were usually offspring involved. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 03 November 2002 18:38 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [SUT] OPR Extract 1806 - Query Edward Quite a question which sent me to my bookshelves! Unfortunately struggling to find the answer but this is my interpretation. I think you have read the document correctly. I do not believe the people needed to have the stated monies - merely binding a contract. If they did not marry they then paid. Guess most would of course have married as the 'ordinary' man and woman could not have raised this sum. I do believe there would have been a charge to marry but feel that it would not have been the large amount you quote. With a sum like that no one would have been married! I have read that in the case of a clandestine marriage the church session could impose a fine - presumably this could have been a higher sum than the cost of marrying. Your ascendants - if these prove to be them - did not marry in the Free Church. The Free Church only came into being following the dissent of 1843 when many of the people walked away from the Established church of Scotland. Prior to that they would have been married by the Established church. None the less the document you have is unusual. Normally the old parish registers of the Church of Scotland do not show this kind of detail. Perhaps this was specific to Assynt - anyone know? It is also worth knowing that it would have been most unusual in Sutherland to actually marry in the church. Normally the minister would visit those concerned and carry out the service at their home or at some other gathering. The same is true on baptism of children. Sorry I cannot be more helpful - perhaps someone else can? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 November 2002 21:04 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] OPR Extract 1806 - Query The following is an extract of the marriage of who I believe are my ggg grandparents which is not very clear and I'm seeking help to correct the words in quotes, and afterwards I have a query: £80 Scots Dec 20th 1806 Then contracted in order to marriage Niel Kerr residing in Loch beanach & Chirsty McLeod in Baddygninan the same to take place in due course of law under the above penalty of £80 Scots; half to be paid to the party willing to implement the 'promise' (unclear - is promise correct?) & the other half to the 'Session' (again unclear) of Assynt by the party failing. Their names and marks were then written below. Is my transcript correct, or could someone help me with the words in quotes please? My query is: I assume that the sum of money was to ensure people went through with their commitments to both the church and to the 'innocent' party. Was this a 'normal procedure with all churches or only to the Free Church (where I believe they were married)? Secondly, was it a frequent occurrence that the 'engagements' of the time were not followed through? And why would that be? £80 even in Scots money terms seems a huge amount - would the people have that 'tucked beneath their mattresses'? edward Limpsfield, Surrey