***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** As yet I am not confident to say either way - may be week after next! Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 November 2002 10:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re-[SUT] 1784 High Court Cases Malcolm, I am interested in the John Gray. I am descended from Alexander Gray who lived at Evelix. He had a brother called John. Do you think Evashy could be Evelix? Thanks, Sheila Edinburgh, Scotland ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

I would love to hear from anyone on the list who has knowledge of contemporary or historical fishing beats on the River Helmsdale near Kildonan Church, particularly the section containing the Manse Pool. With best wishes and thanks in advance, Frances Bishop in Canada [ e-mail [email protected] ]

The following web site is dedicated to the Presbyterian settlers from Scotland who came to this land. Have a look. www.kildonanpresbyteriancemetery.com Article from Winnipeg Free Press Nov 13 2002 by Colin Fraser Jack and Marion Cooper are doing their part to help preserve Manitoba history at the historic Kildonan Presbyterian Cemetery. The couple operate Cooper's Memorial Foundations and Leveling, a cemetery restoration and maintenance company with a resume that includes work in graveyards all over southern Manitoba. Over the spring and summer of this year, the husband and wife team straightened 170 markers and restored 40 others at Kildonan Presbyterian Cemetery, which is located east of Main Street on John Black Avenue. The company claims that their concrete-based restoration process of fallen and fractured gravestones is the first of its kind in the province. "Some were discoloured so badly you couldn't see them," says Jack Cooper. "And some were broken up in two or three pieces and partially buried in the ground." He estimates that many had been in that state for more than 50 years. Marion Cooper adds that it is especially satisfying rescuing the broken and buried markers thought lost. These markers bear the names of some of the original Selkirk Settlers; a group of Scottish men, women and children who came to the area hoping to make new lives for themselves. They arrived in 1812, setting foot on the banks of the Red River and eventually became an integral part of the Red River Settlement, a community that grew into the City of Winnipeg and Province of Manitoba. "These are pioneers", she says. Over the last 150 years, Kildonan Presbyterian Cemetery has become the final resting place for many of the founders and prominent citizens of this part of the country. It is a living monument to the heritage and history of the area. The Coopers were delighted when the outgoing chairman of the cemetery board, Rev. Richard Gillanders, hired them to help keep these records of the past intact. And for his part, Gillanders is very satisfied with the Coopers' work. Gillanders was unhappy with the dishevelled state of the cemetery and the Coopers are part of a plan to keep it presentable. The cemetery board is trying to raise $100,000 to add to a trust fund to continue in the investment and upkeep of the historic resting place. Most of the broken stones date back to the 1860s and 70s, while some are even older. Time and the elements have taken their toll. Many families either have not been able to take care of the tombstones, lost interest, or the lineage has run out. Gillanders says there are many markers in the cemetery where the next of kin is not known. Prominent early Winnipeg names like Gunn, Sutherland and Bannatyne are examples. But on the other side of the coin, this past summer members of the Ross Clan hired the Coopers to level and restore 15 family stones in the cemetery. "It's something the (Ross) family does across the country and all around the world," says Jack Cooper. "They look after them." The fallen and buried stones are dug up with a shovel and pry bar. The pieces are then transported to the Cooper's shop, grinded, flushed, re-lettered and polished. Next, they are put back together in the original shape and encased in concrete. Finally the restored markers are put back on the original foundation. "We get a lot of satisfaction" says Marion Cooper. "It's nice to see some of th really old stones standing up again." Pat Winnipeg

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** I have not yet checked the trial record - but sentence could have been worse, particularly if reputed thief. Transportation or hanging. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 November 2002 10:09 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [SUT] 1784 High Court Cases Absolutely fascinating. Neil Mackay was found guilty. Do we know the sentence? Would he have been fined or jailed? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 November 2002 08:43 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] 1784 High Court Cases **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * Some details from two High Court cases of 1784 heard at the Circuit Court in Inverness (spellings as per originals): Malcolm Dundee, Scotland Case of John Gray Tenant in Evashy parish of Dornoch accused of theft on 16 Feb 1784 went to "sheep Cott of John Ross alias Siddera in Davochbeg" parish of Rogart and stole "a black Ewe or Sheep" and slaughtered it for own use. List of witnesses: Hugh McKay son of Lieut John Mckay of Milness [sic] Christian Ross wife of Alexander Sutherland tenant in Davochbeg John Ross alias Siddra Tenant in Davochbeg John Ross Tenant in Esfrak Hugh McIntosh in Dalnamain Mr Hugh McCulloch sheriff substitute William Taylor sheriff clerk Hugh McLeod jail keeper in Dornoch verdict Guilty but recommended to mercy Case of Niel Mckay and Jean Sutherland Niel Mckay formerly residing at Braegrudie in parish of Rogart and wife Jean Sutherland, accused of theft. In October 1783 they "then residing in a house in the farm of Braegrudie ... possessed by Alexander Mckenzie alias McConachie" stole from the "Hill of Grudie part of the said Farm, a brown Cow white faced and white bellied" belonging to Mackenzie. summonses executed 16 April 1784 by Hugh Leslie messenger and witnessed by John Shaw merchant in Dornoch and John MacKay his ShopKeeper there" both sign List of Witnesses Alexander Mackenzie alias McConachie in Braegrudie Alexander Grant sheriff officer in Rogart John Sutherland tenant in Braegrudie John Murray tenant in Braegrudie Donald Mckenzie son to Alexr Mckenzie Tenant in Grudie "Since Dead" James Davidson son to Alexr Davidson Tenant in Braegrudie Hugh Leslie writer in Dornoch Found Guilty 3 May ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

Absolutely fascinating. Neil Mackay was found guilty. Do we know the sentence? Would he have been fined or jailed? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 November 2002 08:43 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] 1784 High Court Cases **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * Some details from two High Court cases of 1784 heard at the Circuit Court in Inverness (spellings as per originals): Malcolm Dundee, Scotland Case of John Gray Tenant in Evashy parish of Dornoch accused of theft on 16 Feb 1784 went to "sheep Cott of John Ross alias Siddera in Davochbeg" parish of Rogart and stole "a black Ewe or Sheep" and slaughtered it for own use. List of witnesses: Hugh McKay son of Lieut John Mckay of Milness [sic] Christian Ross wife of Alexander Sutherland tenant in Davochbeg John Ross alias Siddra Tenant in Davochbeg John Ross Tenant in Esfrak Hugh McIntosh in Dalnamain Mr Hugh McCulloch sheriff substitute William Taylor sheriff clerk Hugh McLeod jail keeper in Dornoch verdict Guilty but recommended to mercy Case of Niel Mckay and Jean Sutherland Niel Mckay formerly residing at Braegrudie in parish of Rogart and wife Jean Sutherland, accused of theft. In October 1783 they "then residing in a house in the farm of Braegrudie ... possessed by Alexander Mckenzie alias McConachie" stole from the "Hill of Grudie part of the said Farm, a brown Cow white faced and white bellied" belonging to Mackenzie. summonses executed 16 April 1784 by Hugh Leslie messenger and witnessed by John Shaw merchant in Dornoch and John MacKay his ShopKeeper there" both sign List of Witnesses Alexander Mackenzie alias McConachie in Braegrudie Alexander Grant sheriff officer in Rogart John Sutherland tenant in Braegrudie John Murray tenant in Braegrudie Donald Mckenzie son to Alexr Mckenzie Tenant in Grudie "Since Dead" James Davidson son to Alexr Davidson Tenant in Braegrudie Hugh Leslie writer in Dornoch Found Guilty 3 May ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Some details from two High Court cases of 1784 heard at the Circuit Court in Inverness (spellings as per originals): Malcolm Dundee, Scotland Case of John Gray Tenant in Evashy parish of Dornoch accused of theft on 16 Feb 1784 went to "sheep Cott of John Ross alias Siddera in Davochbeg" parish of Rogart and stole "a black Ewe or Sheep" and slaughtered it for own use. List of witnesses: Hugh McKay son of Lieut John Mckay of Milness [sic] Christian Ross wife of Alexander Sutherland tenant in Davochbeg John Ross alias Siddra Tenant in Davochbeg John Ross Tenant in Esfrak Hugh McIntosh in Dalnamain Mr Hugh McCulloch sheriff substitute William Taylor sheriff clerk Hugh McLeod jail keeper in Dornoch verdict Guilty but recommended to mercy Case of Niel Mckay and Jean Sutherland Niel Mckay formerly residing at Braegrudie in parish of Rogart and wife Jean Sutherland, accused of theft. In October 1783 they "then residing in a house in the farm of Braegrudie ... possessed by Alexander Mckenzie alias McConachie" stole from the "Hill of Grudie part of the said Farm, a brown Cow white faced and white bellied" belonging to Mackenzie. summonses executed 16 April 1784 by Hugh Leslie messenger and witnessed by John Shaw merchant in Dornoch and John MacKay his ShopKeeper there" both sign List of Witnesses Alexander Mackenzie alias McConachie in Braegrudie Alexander Grant sheriff officer in Rogart John Sutherland tenant in Braegrudie John Murray tenant in Braegrudie Donald Mckenzie son to Alexr Mckenzie Tenant in Grudie "Since Dead" James Davidson son to Alexr Davidson Tenant in Braegrudie Hugh Leslie writer in Dornoch Found Guilty 3 May

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***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** I don't suppose anyone is interested in John Laurie who was for a long time schoolteacher at Invershin, parish of Creich, and renowned for his quaint ways. He was in fact George Crathorne, born in Scarborough. He quarrelled with his parents, went to sea, and landed at Wick in Caithness, eventually moving to Sutherland. D W Kemp wrote a short book about him (1892) - unlike some, Laurie owned up to his true identity. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** These are important points: digital copies are not "exact" copies. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 13 November 2002 11:08 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] ORIGINALS FOR THE BIN! Sorry, yes, I realise I replied too hastily on that one --- there's enough to fight against without exhausting oneself, and others, fighting windmills! However, I will say that if you have an original MS rather than a photograph, it is easier to see what is just an incidental mark on the paper rather than a deliberate stroke of the pen, and, where there are superimposed corrections, it's easier to see which is the original letter and which the correction. Again, I have an original signature in parts of which only the impression of the pen can be seen since the ink has run out. This three-dimensional information is completely missing in a photograph, making the signature indecipherable to somebody who only has the photo. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Randall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] ORIGINALS FOR THE BIN! > Digital copies are exact copy of the original so no room for > mistakes - they would be identical to the original, just in a > different format. > > If they were to keep the originals, they would probably stash > them away somewhere and restrict access - in the name > of preservation BECAUSE they have digital copies - > so the end result would be the same as if they destroyed > them. Perhaps that's how "they" think!!?? > > ChristineR > Vic Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sara Thomas <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: [SUT] ORIGINALS FOR THE BIN! > > > > Knowing the sort of mistakes that can creep into copies, I think this > > is crazy. Surely they can find somewhere to keep them? > > Sara > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:10 PM > > Subject: [SUT] ORIGINALS FOR THE BIN! > > > > > > > The ABERDEEN & North East SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY JOURNAL Nov 2002, > > the > > > Chairmans report includes the following: > > > > > > "The GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE in EDINBURGH has an ongoing project to > > digitise > > > the SCOTTISH STATUTORY CERTIFICATES of BIRTH, MARRIAGE and DEATH. > > We are > > > hearing, from contacts at the registrars offices, that after the > > > digitisation has been completed the ORIGINAL CERTIFICATES held in > > the > > > REGIONS will be DESTROYED. Yes, I said DESTROYED. The copies of the > > > original certificates held in EDINBURGH will be RETAINED." > > > > > > Thought this might be of general interest to you all. Seems like > > maybe the > > > fight to keep the original certificates in Sutherland was a waste of > > time! > > > > > > Christine > > > Northamptonshire, England > > > www.highlandhearts.com > > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > > To check out previous messages > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > To check out previous messages > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. 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Malcolm, I am interested in the John Gray. I am descended from Alexander Gray who lived at Evelix. He had a brother called John. Do you think Evashy could be Evelix? Thanks, Sheila Edinburgh, Scotland

Great Idea Grant

So would I Sara - been thinking that we should organise a trip over there for UK POSH members next 11th Nov. we could take video camera to send to those overseas. What do you think? Any takers on a trip out? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 13 November 2002 20:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Rememberance Iain I'd love to see the Vimy Ridge Memorial. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Sutherland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: [SUT] Rememberance > I have just returned from a 4 day trip to France and Belgium for Remembrance weekend . We visited a number of Battlefields and saw the Last Post ceremony at the Menin Gate 3 times including the 11 o'clock Service on the 11th hour of the 11th. of November it was an honour to see these places and the Memorials and to here a man of 107 reciting the immortal words "We Will remember Them" I took a number of Photos of Sanctuary Wood , Bedford Corner, TyneCot and Railway Cuttings Cemeteries and also the Menin Gate and finally the Massive and beautiful Canadian Memorial at Vimy Ridge. If anyone would like any of these photos I will gladly forward same as soon as I have film printed (some are on Digital ) just let me know. > Iain > Membership Secretary > POSH > Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage > > A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > member's interests in Sutherland > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002

Iain I'd love to see the Vimy Ridge Memorial. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Sutherland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: [SUT] Rememberance > I have just returned from a 4 day trip to France and Belgium for Remembrance weekend . We visited a number of Battlefields and saw the Last Post ceremony at the Menin Gate 3 times including the 11 o'clock Service on the 11th hour of the 11th. of November it was an honour to see these places and the Memorials and to here a man of 107 reciting the immortal words "We Will remember Them" I took a number of Photos of Sanctuary Wood , Bedford Corner, TyneCot and Railway Cuttings Cemeteries and also the Menin Gate and finally the Massive and beautiful Canadian Memorial at Vimy Ridge. If anyone would like any of these photos I will gladly forward same as soon as I have film printed (some are on Digital ) just let me know. > Iain > Membership Secretary > POSH > Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage > > A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > member's interests in Sutherland > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have just returned from a 4 day trip to France and Belgium for Remembrance weekend . We visited a number of Battlefields and saw the Last Post ceremony at the Menin Gate 3 times including the 11 o'clock Service on the 11th hour of the 11th. of November it was an honour to see these places and the Memorials and to here a man of 107 reciting the immortal words "We Will remember Them" I took a number of Photos of Sanctuary Wood , Bedford Corner, TyneCot and Railway Cuttings Cemeteries and also the Menin Gate and finally the Massive and beautiful Canadian Memorial at Vimy Ridge. If anyone would like any of these photos I will gladly forward same as soon as I have film printed (some are on Digital ) just let me know. Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

We and everyone with an interest must do all we can to stop this happening . Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: [SUT] ORIGINALS FOR THE BIN! > The ABERDEEN & North East SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY JOURNAL Nov 2002, the > Chairmans report includes the following: > > "The GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE in EDINBURGH has an ongoing project to digitise > the SCOTTISH STATUTORY CERTIFICATES of BIRTH, MARRIAGE and DEATH. We are > hearing, from contacts at the registrars offices, that after the > digitisation has been completed the ORIGINAL CERTIFICATES held in the > REGIONS will be DESTROYED. Yes, I said DESTROYED. The copies of the > original certificates held in EDINBURGH will be RETAINED." > > Thought this might be of general interest to you all. Seems like maybe the > fight to keep the original certificates in Sutherland was a waste of time! > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I think the further we keep away from the residents of Beckingham Palace the better who knows one day it might be "What The Butler Read on E. Mails" ouch we could all be exposed! Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: John McKay <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Spicey Posh > Points well made Fraser. I think the legal difference is that our's is an > acronym of a group of words and as Christine notes, we are not taking any > liberties or association to Posh Spice. > Not sure about Sara's point though. Writing a timid letter is fraught with > danger, better to leave it alone completely me thinks. > Sara's idea however did raise a point - I wonder, not being right into Posh > (of the little letter variety) and the Spice Girls about her origins - does > she have her roots in Sutherland perchance? > The reason for the question is related to us potentially securing a high > profile patron - something which always has considerable promotional and > profile advantages to a group such as ours. Not that Posh Spice has any > appeal to me at all, but one does reflect on the potential benefits a Patron > might bring to us. > Perhaps something the Committee might consider at some stage. > Just a thought. > John McKay > Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 12:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Spicey Posh > > > As can be seen by going to www.theposh.com Peterborough FC are into POSH in > a > big way, and would appear to have the upper hand with regard to copyright > registration. The trouble is that whoever wins might be just that much more > touchy about others using " their " trademark and this may even impact on > ourselves, despite the fact that we might be very small beer in a national > sense. > Would P.O.S.H. count as a different trademark to POSH? > This would seem to be getting into murky water--I'm almost sorry I brought > it > up in the first place!! > > Fraser MacKenzie > > Sutherland. > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Could we ask the Duchess ??? Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Spicey Posh > Posh Spice is an English girl, through and through. > No connection with Scotland of any description and most certainly not the > sort to want to be involved with our POSH. > However, your idea to have a famous patron is a good one. Who knows a > famous 'live' Sutherland person? > My only thought is the Lord Chancellor of Great Britain, Irvine who descends > from Mackays of Lairg!! > Somehow I do not see him being willing to help! > Ann Murray, the Canadian country music singer, descends from Sutherland > folks. > John Lennon, deceased Beatle, is reputed to have connections with > Sutherland. > Any more? > Great pity Sean Connery was born and bred in Edinburgh!! > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: John McKay [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 11 November 2002 09:39 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [SUT] Spicey Posh > > Points well made Fraser. I think the legal difference is that our's is an > acronym of a group of words and as Christine notes, we are not taking any > liberties or association to Posh Spice. > Not sure about Sara's point though. Writing a timid letter is fraught with > danger, better to leave it alone completely me thinks. > Sara's idea however did raise a point - I wonder, not being right into Posh > (of the little letter variety) and the Spice Girls about her origins - does > she have her roots in Sutherland perchance? > The reason for the question is related to us potentially securing a high > profile patron - something which always has considerable promotional and > profile advantages to a group such as ours. Not that Posh Spice has any > appeal to me at all, but one does reflect on the potential benefits a Patron > might bring to us. > Perhaps something the Committee might consider at some stage. > Just a thought. > John McKay > Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 12:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Spicey Posh > > > As can be seen by going to www.theposh.com Peterborough FC are into POSH in > a > big way, and would appear to have the upper hand with regard to copyright > registration. The trouble is that whoever wins might be just that much more > touchy about others using " their " trademark and this may even impact on > ourselves, despite the fact that we might be very small beer in a national > sense. > Would P.O.S.H. count as a different trademark to POSH? > This would seem to be getting into murky water--I'm almost sorry I brought > it > up in the first place!! > > Fraser MacKenzie > > Sutherland. > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Why don't you post the photos -- some at least -- to the list so that everyone who wants to look at them, can. In my mind it's the most poignant kind of genealogy, especially for those who had family perish in the war and may be the only way they'll ever see the places our soldiers died. JDW

Iain, So would I. Pat Winnipeg On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 02:52 PM, Sara Thomas wrote: > Iain > I'd love to see the Vimy Ridge Memorial. > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Sutherland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:25 PM > Subject: [SUT] Rememberance > > >> I have just returned from a 4 day trip to France and Belgium for > Remembrance weekend . We visited a number of Battlefields and saw the > Last Post ceremony at the Menin Gate 3 times including the 11 o'clock > Service on the 11th hour of the 11th. of November it was an honour to > see these places and the Memorials and to here a man of 107 reciting > the immortal words "We Will remember Them" I took a number of Photos > of Sanctuary Wood , Bedford Corner, TyneCot and Railway Cuttings > Cemeteries and also the Menin Gate and finally the Massive and > beautiful Canadian Memorial at Vimy Ridge. If anyone would like any of > these photos I will gladly forward same as soon as I have film printed > (some are on Digital ) just let me know. >> Iain >> Membership Secretary >> POSH >> Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage >> >> A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire >> www.sutherlandheritage.com >> >> member's interests in Sutherland >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >> Please visit our NEW POSH web site at >> www.sutherlandheritage.com >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I would hate to think the archives would 'bin' the originals. We all know about computer crashes I'm sure, and as technology is zipping along at an extremely fast pace we may not be able to read these digitised copies on newer computers unless the copies get updated along with the computers. I'm sure most of us remember the single speed CDROMs. Yep, it was only 4 or 5 years ago. What are we up to now? 48+! And you can't read those old CDs anymore. What happens? We 'bin' them!! Food for thought. Regards Jenny West Australia Subject: Re: [SUT] ORIGINALS FOR THE BIN! > Digital copies are exact copy of the original so no room for > mistakes - they would be identical to the original, just in a > different format. > > If they were to keep the originals, they would probably stash > them away somewhere and restrict access - in the name > of preservation BECAUSE they have digital copies - > so the end result would be the same as if they destroyed > them. Perhaps that's how "they" think!!?? > > ChristineR > Vic Australia >