Hello all, After taking time to digest the material presented regarding Duncan of the Rogart Milita, this point came to mind. Would the OPR have the place listed where William(1795) and Duncan(1797) were born to James Sutherland and Catherine Campbell. Christine replied, “I believe the Sutherlands at Dalreavich to be the same Sutherlands who later lived at Claggin, Muie and eventually many of this family moved out to Canada.” Before leaving for Canada, in 1831, our family knows and the records support this, John Sutherland (about 1804), cousin or possibly a brother of Duncan drove a stagecoach in Dornoch. John was married in Dornoch(1829) and his first son(1830) was born there. Some of Duncan’s descendants, who live near Boston, Massachusetts, had information which suggested Duncan was a fisherman before he came to Nova Scotia. Could he have moved from Dalreavich to the Dornoch area? Are there lists of people employed in the fishing or kelp industry? One has to keep in Mind that Duncan was not nearly as common name for a Sutherland as was John. Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

The 4th Madras Cavalry was a native Indian cavalry by the way, I think outnumbered in the battle 20/1 at Assaye. Wellesley mentioned here was the future Duke of Wellington. There is much online about that day. Ron Stouffville, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Theresa/Richard Coleman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Mackay death - Lairg Found this while searching for Sutherland officers... Captain Hugh MACKAY - 4th Madras Cavalry - killed at Assaye - 23rd September 1803. Son of Rev. Thomas and Margaret Mackay. Born 1763. Memorial at Lairg Cemetery, Sutherland, Scotland - "Rev. Thomas Mackay (eldest son of Rev. J. Mackay); born 1717, died 1803, minister Lairg for 55 years; wife Margaret Montgomery, died 1773; Rev. John Mackay (2nd son of Captain William Mackay of Scourie) born 1680, died 1753, minister Durness for 7 years, minister of Lairg for 39 years; wife Catherine Mackay, died 1724; William, (son of Rev. T. Mackay), born 1770, died Calcutta 1804, Naval Commander, author of Narrative of the Shipwreck of the Juno 1795; Hugh Mackay (2nd son of Rev. T. Mackay) Captain 4th Regiment Madras Cavalry, Commissary Army Staff, born 1763, served his country 24 years, died 23 Sept 1803 at muzzle of enemies guns battle of Assaye fought between Wellesly and the Mahrattas." --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/02

Found this while searching for Sutherland officers... Captain Hugh MACKAY - 4th Madras Cavalry - killed at Assaye - 23rd September 1803. Son of Rev. Thomas and Margaret Mackay. Born 1763. Memorial at Lairg Cemetery, Sutherland, Scotland - "Rev. Thomas Mackay (eldest son of Rev. J. Mackay); born 1717, died 1803, minister Lairg for 55 years; wife Margaret Montgomery, died 1773; Rev. John Mackay (2nd son of Captain William Mackay of Scourie) born 1680, died 1753, minister Durness for 7 years, minister of Lairg for 39 years; wife Catherine Mackay, died 1724; William, (son of Rev. T. Mackay), born 1770, died Calcutta 1804, Naval Commander, author of Narrative of the Shipwreck of the Juno 1795; Hugh Mackay (2nd son of Rev. T. Mackay) Captain 4th Regiment Madras Cavalry, Commissary Army Staff, born 1763, served his country 24 years, died 23 Sept 1803 at muzzle of enemies guns battle of Assaye fought between Wellesly and the Mahrattas."

Has anyone ever come across: Angus SUTHERLAND, (originally from Dornoch) serving with the Royal Artillery Garrison in Gibraltar.....he died circa 1810.....at his death he was possibly a Lieutenant.... Theresa Coleman

The Kildonan church this is about is in Winnipeg, Manitoba which is the city now at the junction of the RED RIVER and the Assiniboine River.Hence a lot of historical references to the Red River Settlement, etc. Regards, Ron Stouffville, Ontario, Canada but formerly a Winnipeg resident CHANGE MY EMAIL TO: [email protected] "Ancestors Plant Trees to Shelter Future Generations" URL: http://www.geocities.com/rpatrickca really-big-mail to: 150 Burkholder St., Stouffville, Ontario Canada L4A 4J4 Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Wagner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Kildonan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/02

Hi Iain......Thanks for putting this site on the List. It should not be missed by anyone with a Canadian interest. Regards, P.Mc (N.Z.) [email protected]

Hi Cathy, I enjoyed reading about the Mawsons in Saskatchewan. However, just to keep the record straight, Kildonan is in Manitoba, not Saskatchewan. Pat Winnipeg On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 08:58 AM, Cathy Wagner wrote: > Hi all > > Well you know it takes me a minute or two to clue in sometimes...smile > I was enjoying immensely some of the stuff that came over earlier this > week > about Kildonan, Saskatchewan. I went to the web pages and read thru the > stuff , well on the Roll of Honour at the Kildonan Church, I dont know > if > any of you noticed the name "Matthew Mawson" > Matthew is on my family line, and the name Matthew and Mawson just dont > mix, > I dont think anyone called their children that in this century because > every > Matthew died.....young. > > I have extensive research done on this family, for whatever reason I > didnt > connect the area to the same area that the Scottish settlement was in. > There is a descendant of the line by the name of Harvey Mawson, who is > of > quite an age now, I havent talked to him for a couple of years, but I > think > he still lives. He wrote some books on the area and mostly about the > Mawson > lineage of course. But he is published with a few books, one of poetry. > He > made a gift of his one book to me and I bought the rest of them back a > few > years ago. With the discovery of the area being the same I have started > to > reread the books, I see there are some exerpts (didnt know how to spell > that)..lol....of Sutherlandshire names. I know Harvey would not mind > if I > post odd stuff, so as I read I will put the odd paragraph to the list. > It is not indexed....so it might be a while between them. > If anyone is interested tho , I do know his books are for sale thru the > museum in Wilson Museum Corp., Dundern, Sask. SOK 1KO > They are called > Before the Plow a collection of Short Stories by Harvey Mawson > Ta-Doo-Oota meaning lots of meat by Harvey Mawson > Fast Gun, The life and times of Charles Augustus Parmer, Dundern's > Legandary Gunmane, edited by Harvey Mawson > Portraits of the Northern Plains, Cowboy Poems by Harvey Mawson > Truth Legend and Lies by Harvey Mawson > > I have all his books I am proud to say, he is a joy to talk to as well, > he > of course wanted me to come out to the "ranch"....asap.....smile > That was a couple years ago and I guess now that I am thinking of him I > should really sit down and write him a nice letter..... > > onto reading > > Cathy Wagner > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi all Well you know it takes me a minute or two to clue in sometimes...smile I was enjoying immensely some of the stuff that came over earlier this week about Kildonan, Saskatchewan. I went to the web pages and read thru the stuff , well on the Roll of Honour at the Kildonan Church, I dont know if any of you noticed the name "Matthew Mawson" Matthew is on my family line, and the name Matthew and Mawson just dont mix, I dont think anyone called their children that in this century because every Matthew died.....young. I have extensive research done on this family, for whatever reason I didnt connect the area to the same area that the Scottish settlement was in. There is a descendant of the line by the name of Harvey Mawson, who is of quite an age now, I havent talked to him for a couple of years, but I think he still lives. He wrote some books on the area and mostly about the Mawson lineage of course. But he is published with a few books, one of poetry. He made a gift of his one book to me and I bought the rest of them back a few years ago. With the discovery of the area being the same I have started to reread the books, I see there are some exerpts (didnt know how to spell that)..lol....of Sutherlandshire names. I know Harvey would not mind if I post odd stuff, so as I read I will put the odd paragraph to the list. It is not indexed....so it might be a while between them. If anyone is interested tho , I do know his books are for sale thru the museum in Wilson Museum Corp., Dundern, Sask. SOK 1KO They are called Before the Plow a collection of Short Stories by Harvey Mawson Ta-Doo-Oota meaning lots of meat by Harvey Mawson Fast Gun, The life and times of Charles Augustus Parmer, Dundern's Legandary Gunmane, edited by Harvey Mawson Portraits of the Northern Plains, Cowboy Poems by Harvey Mawson Truth Legend and Lies by Harvey Mawson I have all his books I am proud to say, he is a joy to talk to as well, he of course wanted me to come out to the "ranch"....asap.....smile That was a couple years ago and I guess now that I am thinking of him I should really sit down and write him a nice letter..... onto reading Cathy Wagner

For those interested in the Vimy Ridge Canadian Memorial try www.virtualmemorial.gc.ca Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

Hi Madaline, here are some that I spotted: b. June 23, 1765 father Charles b. Aug 5, 1768 father Iye (Aoidh), alias Grange b. Dec 14, 1770 father Donald, alias Grange b. May 29, 1781 father John Campbell (roy) alias macdhonil macalister macnish mother Catherine Mackay, alias Miller Ian in Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Blaxland Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Campbell I was wondering if any one can tell me if there are any Donald Campbell's in around Durness area born between 1765 to 1775 and who the different Donald Campbells parents would be. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreicated. Madaline ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi I was wondering if someone with access to this census could look up the following; MUNRO -Eliza -widow b.c.1797 with unmarried daughter Catherine b.c.1816- in Golspie or poss. Drummuie. MUNRO -James -b.c.1825 thanks Lizzi

Hi Frances, no knowledge myself but I know two men who have - both gilly on that river (season just ended). Will pass your query to oneof them this afternoon. Bill (Brora, Sutherland, Scotland) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Bishop" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: [SUT] Fishing beats > I would love to hear from anyone on the list who has knowledge of > contemporary or historical fishing beats on the River Helmsdale near > Kildonan Church, particularly the section containing the Manse Pool. > With best wishes and thanks in advance, Frances Bishop in Canada > [ e-mail [email protected] ] > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Christine......Thanks your info on TORBRECK. Will come back to you on this shortly. Peter McR. (N.Z.) [email protected]

I was wondering if any one can tell me if there are any Donald Campbell's in around Durness area born between 1765 to 1775 and who the different Donald Campbells parents would be. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreicated. Madaline

Hi Lizzi, The latter part of the Golspie 1861 census is too faint to read - this includes places like Drummuie and Little Ferry - the enumerator must have watered down the ink!! The only James Munro in the village of Golspie was aged 50 and born in Dornoch. Sheila Edinburgh Scotland

A great sugestion Joan & Wayne. How about it Iain ? Thanks. Peter Mc. ((N,Z.) [email protected]

Hi all.........I can only hope all this discussion is coming forward "in lighter vein" Just in case it's not, I heartily endorse Iain,s comments today and also those of Edward Paxton........lets get back to researching our Ancestors, (without a Patron if necessary !) Regards , Peter M. (New Zealand) [email protected],nz

On second thoughts, no real invasion of privacy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sara Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: [SUT] Fw: Scottish Databases There seem to be useful databases here, but you have to register before you can gain access, and this involves giving various personal details, which may put potential users off. (Can't decide, myself.) Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Robertson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Scottish Databases A number of Scottish databases and books are accessible for searching at http://www.scotsfind.com. There are no products for sale at the site, no ads, etc. Access to the databases requires registration and that you have Acrobat Reader on your computer. The databases are in the PDF format and are searchable using the Acrobat Reader Search command. Some of the databases are not formatted as I would like (e.g., word wrap and symbol [esp. £] errors) due to a change of software. I will gradually correct such problems. Databases and books available on-line at present are: 1. Register of Edinburgh Apprentices, 4 volumes, covering 1583 - 1800. 2. Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses and Guild-Brethren, 3 volumes covering 1406 - 1841 3. Edinburgh Marriage Register, 1595 - 1800. 3 volumes 4. Consitorial Processes and Decreets, 1658-1800. 1 volume of court cases relating to marriage, legitimacy, divorce, etc. 5. The Commissariot Record of Inverness, Register Of Testaments, 1630 - 1800. 6. The Guildry of Edinburgh. Contains the Dean's and the Guild's account books with burgess and wife names not found in the Roll above. Also, contains Guildry records of Aberdeen. 7. Notices From the Local Records of Dysart. This volume was compiled from various records belonging to the Burgh and Parish of Dysart. Covers approx. 1534 - 1697. Also contains entries for Kinghorn, Kinglassie, Kirkcaldy and Wemyss. 8. The Presbytrie Booke Of Kirkcaldie, 23 pages of introductory material and 420 pages from the Booke. Covers the period 1630 - 1653 (In progress). 9. A Dissertation On The Origin Of The Scottish Language, by John Longmuir, A.M., LL.D. An academic essay on the origin of the Scottish language, and hence the Scottish peoples. Extracted from Jamieson's Dictionary of the Scottish Language. 10. Glossary. Occupations, definitions, explanations and abbreviations. Unfamiliar words and terms and abbreviations from the databases are pasted into the glossary and then definitions sought. 11. Scottish Surname Variants. A listing of variant spellings of surnames. Useful in deciphering difficult-to-read OPR spellings. A work in progress. 12. Dryburgh and Variants Scottish Births and Baptisms: 1578 - 1860. Dryburgh and Variants Scottish Marriages: 1628 - 1853. 13. Kinloch Scottish Marriages 1603 - 1859. 14. Lumsdale Scottish Births & Baptisms 1633 - 1852 Lumsdale Scottish Marriages 1641 - 1853. The databases are searchable, but not copyable or printable. You must extract the data by hand. I hope these are helpful to you. Richard Robertson ==== SCT-FIFE Mailing List ==== . ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

There seem to be useful databases here, but you have to register before you can gain access, and this involves giving various personal details, which may put potential users off. (Can't decide, myself.) Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Robertson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Scottish Databases A number of Scottish databases and books are accessible for searching at http://www.scotsfind.com. There are no products for sale at the site, no ads, etc. Access to the databases requires registration and that you have Acrobat Reader on your computer. The databases are in the PDF format and are searchable using the Acrobat Reader Search command. Some of the databases are not formatted as I would like (e.g., word wrap and symbol [esp. £] errors) due to a change of software. I will gradually correct such problems. Databases and books available on-line at present are: 1. Register of Edinburgh Apprentices, 4 volumes, covering 1583 - 1800. 2. Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses and Guild-Brethren, 3 volumes covering 1406 - 1841 3. Edinburgh Marriage Register, 1595 - 1800. 3 volumes 4. Consitorial Processes and Decreets, 1658-1800. 1 volume of court cases relating to marriage, legitimacy, divorce, etc. 5. The Commissariot Record of Inverness, Register Of Testaments, 1630 - 1800. 6. The Guildry of Edinburgh. Contains the Dean's and the Guild's account books with burgess and wife names not found in the Roll above. Also, contains Guildry records of Aberdeen. 7. Notices From the Local Records of Dysart. This volume was compiled from various records belonging to the Burgh and Parish of Dysart. Covers approx. 1534 - 1697. Also contains entries for Kinghorn, Kinglassie, Kirkcaldy and Wemyss. 8. The Presbytrie Booke Of Kirkcaldie, 23 pages of introductory material and 420 pages from the Booke. Covers the period 1630 - 1653 (In progress). 9. A Dissertation On The Origin Of The Scottish Language, by John Longmuir, A.M., LL.D. An academic essay on the origin of the Scottish language, and hence the Scottish peoples. Extracted from Jamieson's Dictionary of the Scottish Language. 10. Glossary. Occupations, definitions, explanations and abbreviations. Unfamiliar words and terms and abbreviations from the databases are pasted into the glossary and then definitions sought. 11. Scottish Surname Variants. A listing of variant spellings of surnames. Useful in deciphering difficult-to-read OPR spellings. A work in progress. 12. Dryburgh and Variants Scottish Births and Baptisms: 1578 - 1860. Dryburgh and Variants Scottish Marriages: 1628 - 1853. 13. Kinloch Scottish Marriages 1603 - 1859. 14. Lumsdale Scottish Births & Baptisms 1633 - 1852 Lumsdale Scottish Marriages 1641 - 1853. The databases are searchable, but not copyable or printable. You must extract the data by hand. I hope these are helpful to you. Richard Robertson ==== SCT-FIFE Mailing List ==== .

There are a number of companies who specialise in these trips but they fill up quickly for 11th. of November I will get photos on the Web a.s.a.p. Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [SUT] Rememberance > So would I Sara - been thinking that we should organise a trip over there > for UK POSH members next 11th Nov. we could take video camera to send to > those overseas. > What do you think? Any takers on a trip out? > > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 13 November 2002 20:52 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SUT] Rememberance > > Iain > I'd love to see the Vimy Ridge Memorial. > Sara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Sutherland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:25 PM > Subject: [SUT] Rememberance > > > > I have just returned from a 4 day trip to France and Belgium for > Remembrance weekend . We visited a number of Battlefields and saw the > Last Post ceremony at the Menin Gate 3 times including the 11 o'clock > Service on the 11th hour of the 11th. of November it was an honour to > see these places and the Memorials and to here a man of 107 reciting > the immortal words "We Will remember Them" I took a number of Photos > of Sanctuary Wood , Bedford Corner, TyneCot and Railway Cuttings > Cemeteries and also the Menin Gate and finally the Massive and > beautiful Canadian Memorial at Vimy Ridge. If anyone would like any of > these photos I will gladly forward same as soon as I have film printed > (some are on Digital ) just let me know. > > Iain > > Membership Secretary > > POSH > > Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage > > > > A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > member's interests in Sutherland > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 24/10/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >