I have an obit which says about a great uncle of mine "For a long period he followed the calling of a gamekeeper, and was in the service of Mr. I. Hall, of Balnacoil." Where is that and does anyone know who the Hall family is/was? This was in the early 1900s. Is this Balnakeil? Ron CHANGE MY EMAIL TO: [email protected] "Ancestors Plant Trees to Shelter Future Generations" URL: http://www.geocities.com/rpatrickca really-big-mail to: 150 Burkholder St., Stouffville, Ontario Canada L4A 4J4 Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02

There is a feature story about him in Northern Times, 1 Nov2002 issue. 4th book now out is "Life, Love and Laughter". Ron -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Ministers are not all glum! Hi I read recently in a Sunday paper about the Very Rev. D. James Simpson from Bankfoot, near Perth, Scotland. He is apparently well known for raising a giggle and has produced books including the Holy Wit and The Laugh Shall be First. He does this to raise money for the Cystic Fibrosis Research society having raised more than £40,000 so far. Why am I telling you - Dr Simpson was minister at Dornoch Cathedral for 21 years, Moderator of the Church of Scotland and chaplain to the Queen so of local interest. I found this cheery, joking minister idea quite wonderful - goes totally against what we ever read of the Church ministers of the Clearance era! His latest book Life, Love and Laughter (Steve Savage, ISBN 1-904246-04-4) includes a story which concerns Susan Brown, the current minister at Dornoch Cathedral: Shortly after becoming famous when she conducted Madonna's wedding, Susan had a week's holiday in Oxford and managed to get tickets for a French and Saunders show. She actually met Dawn French after the show and before she left Dawn presented her with a gift - a clerical collar with the words, 'To the Vicar of Dornoch from the Vicar of Dibley'! Sorry if that only makes those in the UK laugh - the Vicar of Dibley is one of our funniest (in my opinion) programmes on TV. I am now off to see where I can buy this book. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/02

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** The Ground Officer for Rogart appears, at this period, to have communicated more by letter than his colleagues. I do have some examples from elsewhere and will post to ensure a better and fairer coverage. These letters, which are in the general incoming correspondence [3 to 4 boxes per year per district] are in one of the two Additional Accessions of Sutherland Papers in the National Library of Scotland. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Ian Morrison [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 December 2002 17:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Events in Rogart 1894 Malcolm: Fascinating. Do you think that such letters might be available from ground officers in other locations? Where might one find them? Your resourcefulness is amazing! Ian in (cold) Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Events in Rogart 1894 **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * Extracts from letters written in 1894 by James Alexander the Rogart ground officer, mainly covering succession to crofts (original spelling and punctuation retained in quotes) Numbers refer to croft numbers. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland Widow James Baillie 94 Druimanargied died 30 December 1893 "leaves an Unmarried Daughter, Marion Baillie, in the house & Croft." "left no will and her family are as under Jane - Married to John Melville Doll, Brora Cathrine - Married to D. Sutherland 60 Culdrain Rogart Marion Single who has been at home with her late Mother & applies for the Croft &c: Christy - married, Surry, England" Widow D MacKay 288 Knockarthur died 4 Jan. "She leaves a grown up family. none of them lived with her. But a Sister, Margaret Ross, Single, lived with her in the house." Donald Murray 29 Balclaggin died 14 Jan "after a lingering illness, and leaves a Widow, and one Child. The deceased's Mother. & Sister, are also in the house. There are Five Brothers in, America, the eldest Hugh, who is also in America, repaired the house, and Slated it. There is only one Cow, 2 Calves, and 2 Sheep. on the place, and very little of the land has been under Crop for some years." 1894 Jan 27 "Wo [Widow] Donald Murray, 29. Balclaggin - is purposing Selling the little Stock &c: - which is on the Croft. there is also one Small Stack of Oats & Straw. She also intends to Sell. and to leave the place for her Native place of Glenelg. Argyleshire. Her Motherinlaw Wo Robert Murray. is in the house with one Daughter." 1894 Feb 1 Widow Robert Murray Midwife Balclaggin "Called on the above person. and her Daughter, and I told them that the Widw. was giving up the place. and that unless they are in a position to take it, and pay any Compensation that may be found to be due they would have to leave, and that they had no legal Claim to the house. and which I made them to understand, There is a House. on the Croft. which was occupied by the late Wo [Widow] D. MacKenzie. (Rent free) the former tenant of 29. up till her Death, which took place on Jany: 31st 1891, But Since then, nothing has been done to this house. and it requires thatching, and Some inside repairs - This house Widow Robert Murray will accept. as She is not able to pay for, or look after a Croft. on Condition that these repairs are executed - and She leaves the matter in your own hands - She does not think that any of her Sons, would be disposed, to Come and take the Croft on the Conditions," Her sons: Kenneth - New Zealand. James - America Hugh America This Son, was the means of Slating the house. Angus New Zealand Robert America Alick America Ebenezer America Andrew America [Widow D Murray left for Glenelg 16 March, appears that Hector MacKenzie from Syre in Strathnaver took over croft at Whitsunday] Widow William Murray 347 Rhimusaig died 21 February "leaves a grown up family: - which have all left. except Alexander. a Son. Married and has been living in the house. with his late Mother. and attending to the Croft. &c: - for many years." James Campbell 280 Inchomney died 23 Feb "occupied the Small Croft. Rent free. and leaves a Widow. two Sons. and a Daughter, all of weak Intellect. all Unmarried. and are living in the house." Christy Campbell (Pauper) 278 Rhilochan died 2 March "Occupied a Small house Attached to the West end of above house. Rent free. the deceased was. Unmarried. and leaves no Successor." 1894 Mar 22 telegram "House Shop D McPherson Achnagairn Burnt with Contents this morning" [4 Achnagarron]. William McPherson aged about 21, son of Duncan McPherson, was the only person about the place. Father and mother subsequently went to "Craggie-beg to his Sisterinlaw. Christina MacKenzie" 1894 Mar 24 Donald Leslie 128 West Langwell wants to renounce Croft 122 West Langwell "which as Heir-at-Law. he Claimed the tenancy. on the Death of his Father. Nov. 6th.1893. and wishes now that this Croft be given to his Sister. Mrs Alexr Macdonald. who with her husband. & family live in her late Father's house. I told him, as he well Knew, that the Neighbours. had Complained to you, about her Conduct, as being very troublesome, regarding their Stock, on the Common pasture &c" Alexander Sutherland 119 Achcork died 28 April "leaves a Widow on the place. also two Sons. grown up. and both are gone abroad." Reported May 26 Widow Alexander Sutherland 119 Achork "wishes in the meantime. to Keep on the Croft till She hears from her Sons. who are William in Fife. Robert in New Zealand. It will be August ere She Can hear from William [sic]." 1894 May 26 Alexander MacKay 263 Muie "left the house & Croft about three weeks ago. and is at present working at Dunrobin. and has I am informed Sublet the Croft to Robert McKay, 188, Muie, who paid the Rent 5/- and there being no Crop laid down this year. he has Cattle & Sheep Grazing on it. and the tenant. William Mackay 180. whose land adjoins the Croft Complains. that he is very much annoyed. with Sheep breaking over the fence. there being no person about the place looking after them." William Mackay 214 Rhilochan died 1 July "leaves an aged Widow. but had no family to the deceased. But there is an illegitimate Son of her late Husband's living with her. and who is about 15. years of age. rather Silly. The Houses on the place are in very bad order". 1894 July 23 Memo: "Wo William Mackay 214 Reidlochan does not intend to keep on the Croft. but has not made up her mind. was to get part of wood for repairing Dwelling house, all houses, are in prefect wreck.". 1894 Aug 15 making arrangements to renounce in favour of Robert Matheson. Son of Widow Charles Matheson 88 Inchomney. Robert Matheson not heir to mother's croft: eldest son, Thomas, in Upper Canada. 1894 July 9 "this is the week of the Communion in this Parish, Thursday first being the Fast day, and very little will be done during the week &c" Mary Mackay 162 Breac-ach-adh died 30 August "Single and a Pauper. Died of Cancer... and leaves no Successor. This house is Situated on the Croft 167. Ann McIntoshe's there is no Garden ground Attached. or enclosure round the house. I would Suggest that it be discontinued. and Attached to Croft 167. and as the roof timber is good. that it would be of Some value to the tenant which she would have to pay for." 1894 Sept 10 "Diphtheria is still in the family of Alexr Murray 199 Pittintraill and the Sanitary Officers are endeavouring to prevent the Spread of the Epidemic. 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Hi I read recently in a Sunday paper about the Very Rev. D. James Simpson from Bankfoot, near Perth, Scotland. He is apparently well known for raising a giggle and has produced books including the Holy Wit and The Laugh Shall be First. He does this to raise money for the Cystic Fibrosis Research society having raised more than £40,000 so far. Why am I telling you - Dr Simpson was minister at Dornoch Cathedral for 21 years, Moderator of the Church of Scotland and chaplain to the Queen so of local interest. I found this cheery, joking minister idea quite wonderful - goes totally against what we ever read of the Church ministers of the Clearance era! His latest book Life, Love and Laughter (Steve Savage, ISBN 1-904246-04-4) includes a story which concerns Susan Brown, the current minister at Dornoch Cathedral: Shortly after becoming famous when she conducted Madonna's wedding, Susan had a week's holiday in Oxford and managed to get tickets for a French and Saunders show. She actually met Dawn French after the show and before she left Dawn presented her with a gift - a clerical collar with the words, 'To the Vicar of Dornoch from the Vicar of Dibley'! Sorry if that only makes those in the UK laugh - the Vicar of Dibley is one of our funniest (in my opinion) programmes on TV. I am now off to see where I can buy this book. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002

continued 1851 Caithness, Assery William Campbell, head, married age 45, Quarry Labourer born Caithness,Halkirk Christina his wife age 46 born Sutherland, Kildonan Elizabeth daughter age 13 born Caithness,Halkirk Christina , daughter age 8 born Caithness, Halkirk Donald, son age 5 born Caithness, Halkirk * IGI search reveals this couple to be William Campbell and Christina Matheson 1851 Census , Assery Alexander Campbell, head married, age 48 farmer of 18 acres born Caithness , Halkirk Margaret Campbell, his wife age 31 born Sutherland, Reay Janet Campbell dau, age 18, farm labourer born Caithness, Thurso Catherine dau age 16 born Caithness, Thurso Joseph son age 14, scholar born Caithness, Thurso Ellen dau age 12 scholar born Caithness, Thurso Alexander, son age 6 born Caithness, Halkirk John , son age 4 born Caithness, Halkirk Murray, son age 2 born Caithness, Halkirk Christina age 1, born Caithness, Halkirk Margaret Campbell, relation, age 65 pauper, visitor born Caithness, Halkirk ** IGI search reveals mothers maiden name to be Margaret MacKay 1851 Caithness Assery There is a visitor in the household of Harry Henderson if anyone wants further details on the Henderson family let me know, none are born in Sutherland William MacKay, visitor, unmarried age 43, day labourer born Sutherland, Farr 1851, Caithness, Assery Hugh MacKay , head, married age 80, pauper, late farmer born Sutherland , Farr Betty his wife age 70, pauper, late farmer born Sutherland Farr Hugh son unmarried age 36, day labourer born Sutherland Farr Margaret , dau unmarried age 28, farm labourer, born Sutherland, Farr **IGI search is not clear who these people are thats all folks hope it helps someone Cathy Wagner

I have also found a part of the Caithness 1851 census on line It says it is from A-Tools, however I was unable to go beyond to any other pages, it has Strays on the page that came up are 1851 Forsie, Caithness William MacKay, head, married age 68, farmer of 10 acres born Farr, Sutherlandshire Catherine MacKay his wife age 48 born Farr, Sutherlandshire Williamina MacKay, daughter , unmarried age 23, farm labourer born Caithness, Wick Mary MacKay, daughter age 14, farm labourer born Caithness , Wick Alexander MacKay, son age 12, farm labourer born Caithness, Wick Elizabeth MacKay, daughter , age 10 , Scholar born Caithness, Wick William MacKay, son age 8, Scholar born Caithness, Halkirk Hugh MacKay , son age 6 born Caithness, Halkirk Janet MacKay, Daughter age 4, born Caithness, Halkirk Hugh MacKay, Brother, age 58, farm labourer born Farr, Sutherlandshire ** further search on IGI on this couple reveals there is one Williamina born in 1828 in Wick to a William and Catherine MacKay Mary born June 22, 1836 in Wick to William and Catherine MacKay Alexander born June 22, 1838 to William and Catherine MacKay All three instances state the mothers name as MacKay, so I have to think that is probably her maiden name 1851 Caithness, Forsie William Manson, head , Married age 60, farmer of 10 acres born Caithness, Thurson Jane Manson, wife , age 58 born Farr, Sutherlandshire Andrew Manson, son, age 26 unmarried, farm labourer born Caithness, Thurso Janet Manson , daughter unmarried age 33, farm labourer born Caithness, Thurso Jane Manson, daughter age 24, scholar born Caithness, Thurso Sinclair Manson, daughter age 21, servant born Caithness, Halkirk George Manson, son age 19 , labourer at farm work born Caithness , Halkirk John Manson son age 15, farm servant born Caithness, Halkirk James Manson son age 14, scholar born Caithness, Halkirk Donald MacDonald, grandson age 4 , born Caithness Halkirk ** further investigation on the IGI reveals this couple to be William Manson and Jane Ross married April 23, 1824, in Caithness , Wick 1851 Caithness, Forsie Duncan MacDonald, head,age 50 married farmer of 4 acres born Farr, Sutherlandshire Elizabella his wife age 49 born Caithness, Halkirk Christina daughter age 14, farm labourer born Caithness , Halkirk Catherine daughter age 12, farm labourer born Caithness, Halkirk Murdoch, son age 10, farm labourer born Caithness, Halkirk Johanna, daughter age 8 born Caithness, Halkirk Neil, son age 4 born Caithness, Halkirk ** a birth search on Catherine revealed her parents to be Duncan MacDonald and Eliza MacPherson No marriage that seems to match these two show up the son Murdoch appears with same name of parents, no birth or christening comes up for the oldest child, Christina 1851 Caithness, Achater Benjamin MacDonald, head, married age 55 farmer of 30 acres employing 2 labourers born Caithness Wick Catherine his wife age 51 born Sutherland, Reay Dorothy, dau age 17, farm work born Caithness, Halkirk Barbara, dau age 15, farm work born Caithness, Halkirk William , son age 13, farm work born Caithness, Halkirk Catherine, dau age 9 born Caithness, Halkirk Donald , son age 7 born Caithness, Halkirk Benjamin , son age 2 born Caithness, Halkirk Angus Sinclair, servant age 20, farm servant, born Sutherland,Reay Annie Gunn, servant age 20, house servant , born Sutherland ,Reay Benjamin Campbell, visitor, married age 54, shoemaker born Caithness, Reay ** IGI search reveals a marriage between Benjamin MacDonald and Catherine Gunn in 1824 1851 Caithness , Achater Angus MacKay , head, married age 38, farmer of 4 acres born Sutherland, Reay Christina his wife age 48 born Caitness, Reay John son age 17, farm work born Caithness, Halkirk Donald , son age 15, scholar born Caithness, Halkirk Colin, son age 13, scholar born Caithness, Halkirk Jamesina, daughter age 4 born Caithness Halkirk * IGI search reveals that Colin died in May 30, 1916 birth search also reveals that parents names are Angus Mackay and Christina MacDonald ** is this the couple that married in Farr, Sutherland in 1823?? does anyone know 1851 Caithness, Forsie Elizabeth MacDonald, head widow , age 80, retired from Farm Labourer born Sutherland, Reay Janet, Daughter, unmarried age 38, farm Servant born Sutherland Reay Robert MacKay, son in law,age 38 married, farm labourer born Caithness, Halkirk Margaret MacKay, daughter, married age 34, labourers wife born Sutherland, Reay John MacKay, grandson age 4 born Caithness, Halkirk Hugh MacKay, grandson age 1.5 born Caithness, Halkirk ** IGI reveals no clear evidence of who these people are 1851 Caithness, Forsie Hugh Manson, head, married age 30, stone cutter born Caitness, Thurso Margaret Manson, wife age 35 born Sutherland , Kildonan Donald son age 5, scholar at home born Caithness, Halkirk ** IGI reveals a marriage between Hugh Manson and Margaret Sutherland, June 16, 1842 in Halkirk, Caithness 1851, Caithness, Forsie, end of the district of Forsie John MacKay, head age 63, married, Farmer of 100 acres employing 6 labourers, born Caithness, Halkirk Barbara his wife age 44 born Sutherland, Kildonan Adam Watson MacKay son, age16 born LKS, Glasgow Barbara , dau age 14, scholar born LKS, Glasgow Elizabeth , dau age 10 born RFW, Cathcart John, son age 7, scholar born RFW, Cathcart Catherine dau, age 5, scholar born Caithness, Halkirk James Allan MacKay age 3 born Caithness, Halkirk Alexander , son age 1 born Caithness, Halkirk Mary , daughter age .041, born Caithness Christian MacKay, sister unmarried age 47, farm servant born Caithness Neil Sutherland, servant unmarried age 21, farm servant born Caithness, Reay Colin Sutherland, servant, unmarried age 18, born Caithness, Reay Robert MacKay, servant unmarried age 16 , farm servant born Sutherland, Farr Janet MacBeath, servant unmarried age 24, house servant born LKS, Glasgow May Henderson, servant unmarried age 31, dairy maid born Caithness, Halkirk *** IGI search reveals thru Adam's birth record that the parents names are John MacKay and Barbara McLeod more to follow Cathy Wagner

Absolutely fascinating with a reference to my own great grandfather, Alexander Murray at Rhemusaig. Thanks Malcolm. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 December 2002 13:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Events in Rogart 1894 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002

This was recently posted on the Ross Gen list and I thought it may interest some of those on this list: Came across the "Memoirs of the Rev James Fraser, of Brea" (1639 - 1689) written by himself. The edition I have was published in 1889. The following is a short sketch of James Fraser written by the Free Church minister of Creich, Rev Gustavus Aird, for this 1889 edition. "Mr James Fraser was born at Brea, parish of Resolis, Black Isle, Ross-shire, 29th July, 1639. His father was proprietor of Brea, a Knight, and brother of Lord Lovat of that time, who was a Covenanter. James succeeded to the estate, was possessed of good talents, well educated, became the subject of a gracious change; his Memoirs are a proof of its genuiness. Although at first he intended studying law, he eventually gave himself up to the study of Divinity, was licensed and ordained, apparently about 1672, by the Field Presbytery of Moray (that is, the outed ministers in that district who had constituted themselves into a Presbytery). (See Macdonald's, of Nairn, "Covenanters.") He was strongly opposed to Prelacy, and was a thorough Presbyterian and Covenanter; suffered much and long for the faithful testimony to the rights of the Redeemer's Crown. In August, 1673, he was intercommuned along with several eminent ministers and also gentlemen and ladies. Although exposed to all the difficulties connected with the intercommuning, yet he had the testimony of his conscience that he was following his Master, and had the privilege of being in the company of Hog of Kiltearn, McKillegan of Fodderty, and Donald Cargill, with many others of a kindred spirit. In 1677 he was imprisoned in Edinburgh, brought before a Committee of Council, and sent to the Bass, where he suffered severely, but enjoyed much of the Lord's presence. In 1679, with others, he was taken from the Bass and imprisoned in Edinburgh, but liberated and enjoyed freedom until 1681, during which time he continued wandering, but preaching every Lord's Day. In 1681 he was sent by the Council to Blackness Prison, was at length liberated upon bond to leave Scotland for London. The ministers of Inverness after the Revolution kept their charges and livings by qualifying to Government. Although one of the Episcopal ministers who had qualified died in 1691, yet the magistrates would not suffer the charge to be declared vacant, and on the 21st June of that year all the avenues of the church were beset with armed men, so that no minister might enter; and when Duncan Forbes of Culloden, father of the Lord President, sought to open the doors, he was thrust back and struck. He and others on this account represented the case to the Council, and in August 1691, Leven's Regiment was sent north to protect the well-affected in obeying the law; but for ten years thereafter no Presbyterian minister could be settled there (see Shaw's "Province of Moray," page 379). Mr McKillegan, Fodderty, because of his ailments, was obliged to reside in Inverness, to be near a physician, and preached there until his death, June 8th, 1689. Mr Fraser of Brea also preached there for some time, but was not admitted minister (see Shaw, page 359). He was eventually admitted minister of Culross, where he finished his course about 1698 or 1699. He was assisted at a Communion in Culross in 1698, very shortly before his death, by the celebrated Boston of Ettrick, then a young man. Fraser and his associates suffered, laboured, and bore testimony for truth and religious liberty. May we, their descendants, be kept from provoking the Lord to withdraw them. 'Stand ye in the ways and see and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein.' Gustavus Aird Free Church Manse, Creich, July, 1889. " Fraser's 'Memoirs' begin: "I was born in the North of Scotland, in 1639, July 29th, and was not like to live, but the Lord healed me; for the evil humours broke out in boils great and numerous, so that I was very wholesome thereafter; my disposition was sullen, and I loved not to be dawted, nor to wear gaudy clothes; nor had I any wise tales like other children, so that I gave no occasion to my parents to repeat them, as parents usually do with fondness: for though my parents were fond enough of their children, yet my temper was so peevish, that I was no dawtie; only at school I learned well, though now and then I stayed away ......I was very unruly, and therefore kept under some awe and restraint from wandering abroad when I pleased; but this increased my desire to ramble the more. At a time I slipped out, unknown to any, to a garden where was a steep well; when once I got out of doors, I ran as hard as ever I could, and, not taking heed where I went, I fell in a by-path which carried me directly to the well before spoken of, open above, and overgrown with grass, which did hide the water from me; so that ere I knew, I fell over head in the well, the water being very deep; only my hands laid hold on the grass that did grow on the sides of the well. Here I coninued for a good space, and would, no doubt, have drowned, if God had not sent some to my relief; for he that was appointed to wait on me, not knowing whither I went, the mere providence of God led him out to seek me in the garden; and when coming to the further end of it , and despairing to find me, went back with intention to seek me in the town, which if he had done, I had perished for ever; but the Lord directing him in his back-coming to the well, he cast his eyes and perceived a hand lying on the grass, which extremity had caused me to do, and looking more narrowly, found it was I ; and so addressing himself to my relief, with much ado pulled me out of the water, even ready to expire, and unable to help myself: and after the water was poured out of my mouth, and I had slept a while, I was as well as ever, through the wonderful goodness of God..." Fascinating stuff! Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002

Hi all Still going thru my google search It seems this book is online and very interesting surely some very early names are attached to this I find it interesting that one Sir Donald MacDonald has fruit trees in Armiidal Now I have to wonder is this on the island he inhabits....or is this Armdale, Sutherlandshire they speak of.... Here is the url to go and read Tell me what you think, is there a place by this name on the island?? Just do a page search for MacDonald....it is not too many down Do a search on your own name on it.....good reading http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Appins/Martin.html Cathy

I agree totally with Ian ... truly fascinating. Thanks Malcolm. If there ever was a chance that similar correspondence existed for other estates, especially Tulloch in Parish Creich near Bonar, which, I think was part of Skibo Estate, where several children of Alex McRae and Ann McKay were born in the 1820's. On the "Who owns Scotland website" it appears that Tulloch is now included in Garvary Moor Estate. The other was Doula or Dowlay or even Dola, just northeast of Lairg, currently on the Challenger Estate. I'm not sure where Dola belonged back in the 1820's, but it was listed as the home of Ann McKay when she married Alex McRae in Lairg on Dec.22,1820. Regards, Peter McRae in Toronto (still cold), Canada. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Morrison [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 12:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Events in Rogart 1894 Malcolm: Fascinating. Do you think that such letters might be available from ground officers in other locations? Where might one find them? Your resourcefulness is amazing! Ian in (cold) Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Events in Rogart 1894 **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * Extracts from letters written in 1894 by James Alexander the Rogart ground officer, mainly covering succession to crofts (original spelling and punctuation retained in quotes) Numbers refer to croft numbers. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland

Hi all Wow Malcolm.....that was some fantastic stuff I found this online when I did a google search, I will put the ones I found from Sutherland on the list Seaforth Highlanders 2nd Battalion Private Angus Mac Leod CLARK (1204) Son of George and Christina McLeod Clarke, of Braetongue, Tongue, Sutherlandshire. Born at Tingue (Sutherlandshire). Enlisted at Fort George (Inverness-Shire) DOW on 3rd May 1915 - Age 19 Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial, Ieper, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium 5th Battalion Private Donald M. MACKAY (599) Son of Evander and Bessie Mackay, Strathnaver, Kinbrace, Sutherland. Born at Farr (Sutherlandshire). Enlisted at Bettyhill (Sutherlandshire) KIA on 13rd November 1916 - Age 24 Mailly Wood Cemetery, Somme, France. Grave I. H. I. 5th Battalion Private Angus G. MACKAY (267372) Son of William and Jessie MacKay (nee Gunn), Clashaidy Shore, Skerray, Thurso, Caithness Born at Golspie (Sutherlandshire) KIA on 9th April 1917 - Age 25 Highland Cemetery, Roclincourt, Pas de Calais, France. Grave I. C. 27 5th Battalion Lance-Corporal Robert George ROSS (422) Son of Mr. and Mrs. George Ross, Whitebridge, Inverness Born at Spean Bridge ( Invernesshire). Enlisted at Kildonan (Sutherlandshire) KIA on 21st July 1915 - Age 27 Private Angus S. MACKAY (267259) Son of John and Margaret MacKay, Trantlebeg, Halladale, Forsinard, Sutherland. Born at Farr (Sutherlandshire). Enlisted at Melvich (Sutherlandshire) KIA on 9th April 1917 Highland Cemetery, Roclincourt, Pas de Calais, France. Grave II. D. 6. Private William D. MACKAY (S/6400) Son of William H. and Betsy Mackay, Badininish, Skelbo, Sutherland Born at Tongue (Sutherlandshire). Enlisted at Kirkwall (Orkney) KIA on 25th September 1915 - Age 24 Loos Memorial, Pas de Calais, France Cathy Wagner

Hello from a hot (30 c ) and steamy Qld ...hoping for rain Still looking for ANY Scobie connections in Sutherland....They all seem to be related. ...witj the odd Mackenzie & Mackay thrown in! Judy Toowoomba Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: SCT-SUTHERLAND-D Digest V02 #354

Hi, Denise, tell us more, it will help to fill in the spaces before the next batch of queries arrives with a dull thud on the doormat!! Fraser MacKenzie, also in a dull Sutherland.

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Extracts from letters written in 1894 by James Alexander the Rogart ground officer, mainly covering succession to crofts (original spelling and punctuation retained in quotes) Numbers refer to croft numbers. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland Widow James Baillie 94 Druimanargied died 30 December 1893 "leaves an Unmarried Daughter, Marion Baillie, in the house & Croft." "left no will and her family are as under Jane - Married to John Melville Doll, Brora Cathrine - Married to D. Sutherland 60 Culdrain Rogart Marion Single who has been at home with her late Mother & applies for the Croft &c: Christy - married, Surry, England" Widow D MacKay 288 Knockarthur died 4 Jan. "She leaves a grown up family. none of them lived with her. But a Sister, Margaret Ross, Single, lived with her in the house." Donald Murray 29 Balclaggin died 14 Jan "after a lingering illness, and leaves a Widow, and one Child. The deceased's Mother. & Sister, are also in the house. There are Five Brothers in, America, the eldest Hugh, who is also in America, repaired the house, and Slated it. There is only one Cow, 2 Calves, and 2 Sheep. on the place, and very little of the land has been under Crop for some years." 1894 Jan 27 "Wo [Widow] Donald Murray, 29. Balclaggin - is purposing Selling the little Stock &c: - which is on the Croft. there is also one Small Stack of Oats & Straw. She also intends to Sell. and to leave the place for her Native place of Glenelg. Argyleshire. Her Motherinlaw Wo Robert Murray. is in the house with one Daughter." 1894 Feb 1 Widow Robert Murray Midwife Balclaggin "Called on the above person. and her Daughter, and I told them that the Widw. was giving up the place. and that unless they are in a position to take it, and pay any Compensation that may be found to be due they would have to leave, and that they had no legal Claim to the house. and which I made them to understand, There is a House. on the Croft. which was occupied by the late Wo [Widow] D. MacKenzie. (Rent free) the former tenant of 29. up till her Death, which took place on Jany: 31st 1891, But Since then, nothing has been done to this house. and it requires thatching, and Some inside repairs - This house Widow Robert Murray will accept. as She is not able to pay for, or look after a Croft. on Condition that these repairs are executed - and She leaves the matter in your own hands - She does not think that any of her Sons, would be disposed, to Come and take the Croft on the Conditions," Her sons: Kenneth - New Zealand. James - America Hugh America This Son, was the means of Slating the house. Angus New Zealand Robert America Alick America Ebenezer America Andrew America [Widow D Murray left for Glenelg 16 March, appears that Hector MacKenzie from Syre in Strathnaver took over croft at Whitsunday] Widow William Murray 347 Rhimusaig died 21 February "leaves a grown up family: - which have all left. except Alexander. a Son. Married and has been living in the house. with his late Mother. and attending to the Croft. &c: - for many years." James Campbell 280 Inchomney died 23 Feb "occupied the Small Croft. Rent free. and leaves a Widow. two Sons. and a Daughter, all of weak Intellect. all Unmarried. and are living in the house." Christy Campbell (Pauper) 278 Rhilochan died 2 March "Occupied a Small house Attached to the West end of above house. Rent free. the deceased was. Unmarried. and leaves no Successor." 1894 Mar 22 telegram "House Shop D McPherson Achnagairn Burnt with Contents this morning" [4 Achnagarron]. William McPherson aged about 21, son of Duncan McPherson, was the only person about the place. Father and mother subsequently went to "Craggie-beg to his Sisterinlaw. Christina MacKenzie" 1894 Mar 24 Donald Leslie 128 West Langwell wants to renounce Croft 122 West Langwell "which as Heir-at-Law. he Claimed the tenancy. on the Death of his Father. Nov. 6th.1893. and wishes now that this Croft be given to his Sister. Mrs Alexr Macdonald. who with her husband. & family live in her late Father's house. I told him, as he well Knew, that the Neighbours. had Complained to you, about her Conduct, as being very troublesome, regarding their Stock, on the Common pasture &c" Alexander Sutherland 119 Achcork died 28 April "leaves a Widow on the place. also two Sons. grown up. and both are gone abroad." Reported May 26 Widow Alexander Sutherland 119 Achork "wishes in the meantime. to Keep on the Croft till She hears from her Sons. who are William in Fife. Robert in New Zealand. It will be August ere She Can hear from William [sic]." 1894 May 26 Alexander MacKay 263 Muie "left the house & Croft about three weeks ago. and is at present working at Dunrobin. and has I am informed Sublet the Croft to Robert McKay, 188, Muie, who paid the Rent 5/- and there being no Crop laid down this year. he has Cattle & Sheep Grazing on it. and the tenant. William Mackay 180. whose land adjoins the Croft Complains. that he is very much annoyed. with Sheep breaking over the fence. there being no person about the place looking after them." William Mackay 214 Rhilochan died 1 July "leaves an aged Widow. but had no family to the deceased. But there is an illegitimate Son of her late Husband's living with her. and who is about 15. years of age. rather Silly. The Houses on the place are in very bad order". 1894 July 23 Memo: "Wo William Mackay 214 Reidlochan does not intend to keep on the Croft. but has not made up her mind. was to get part of wood for repairing Dwelling house, all houses, are in prefect wreck.". 1894 Aug 15 making arrangements to renounce in favour of Robert Matheson. Son of Widow Charles Matheson 88 Inchomney. Robert Matheson not heir to mother's croft: eldest son, Thomas, in Upper Canada. 1894 July 9 "this is the week of the Communion in this Parish, Thursday first being the Fast day, and very little will be done during the week &c" Mary Mackay 162 Breac-ach-adh died 30 August "Single and a Pauper. Died of Cancer... and leaves no Successor. This house is Situated on the Croft 167. Ann McIntoshe's there is no Garden ground Attached. or enclosure round the house. I would Suggest that it be discontinued. and Attached to Croft 167. and as the roof timber is good. that it would be of Some value to the tenant which she would have to pay for." 1894 Sept 10 "Diphtheria is still in the family of Alexr Murray 199 Pittintraill and the Sanitary Officers are endeavouring to prevent the Spread of the Epidemic. The Schools were opened today after the Summer Holidays. with a Small Attendance &c" John Murray 129 West Langwell died 27 Nov "leaves a Widow, and grown up family of two Sons, and one Daughter. all unmarried."

Malcolm: Fascinating. Do you think that such letters might be available from ground officers in other locations? Where might one find them? Your resourcefulness is amazing! Ian in (cold) Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Events in Rogart 1894 ***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Extracts from letters written in 1894 by James Alexander the Rogart ground officer, mainly covering succession to crofts (original spelling and punctuation retained in quotes) Numbers refer to croft numbers. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland Widow James Baillie 94 Druimanargied died 30 December 1893 "leaves an Unmarried Daughter, Marion Baillie, in the house & Croft." "left no will and her family are as under Jane - Married to John Melville Doll, Brora Cathrine - Married to D. Sutherland 60 Culdrain Rogart Marion Single who has been at home with her late Mother & applies for the Croft &c: Christy - married, Surry, England" Widow D MacKay 288 Knockarthur died 4 Jan. "She leaves a grown up family. none of them lived with her. But a Sister, Margaret Ross, Single, lived with her in the house." Donald Murray 29 Balclaggin died 14 Jan "after a lingering illness, and leaves a Widow, and one Child. The deceased's Mother. & Sister, are also in the house. There are Five Brothers in, America, the eldest Hugh, who is also in America, repaired the house, and Slated it. There is only one Cow, 2 Calves, and 2 Sheep. on the place, and very little of the land has been under Crop for some years." 1894 Jan 27 "Wo [Widow] Donald Murray, 29. Balclaggin - is purposing Selling the little Stock &c: - which is on the Croft. there is also one Small Stack of Oats & Straw. She also intends to Sell. and to leave the place for her Native place of Glenelg. Argyleshire. Her Motherinlaw Wo Robert Murray. is in the house with one Daughter." 1894 Feb 1 Widow Robert Murray Midwife Balclaggin "Called on the above person. and her Daughter, and I told them that the Widw. was giving up the place. and that unless they are in a position to take it, and pay any Compensation that may be found to be due they would have to leave, and that they had no legal Claim to the house. and which I made them to understand, There is a House. on the Croft. which was occupied by the late Wo [Widow] D. MacKenzie. (Rent free) the former tenant of 29. up till her Death, which took place on Jany: 31st 1891, But Since then, nothing has been done to this house. and it requires thatching, and Some inside repairs - This house Widow Robert Murray will accept. as She is not able to pay for, or look after a Croft. on Condition that these repairs are executed - and She leaves the matter in your own hands - She does not think that any of her Sons, would be disposed, to Come and take the Croft on the Conditions," Her sons: Kenneth - New Zealand. James - America Hugh America This Son, was the means of Slating the house. Angus New Zealand Robert America Alick America Ebenezer America Andrew America [Widow D Murray left for Glenelg 16 March, appears that Hector MacKenzie from Syre in Strathnaver took over croft at Whitsunday] Widow William Murray 347 Rhimusaig died 21 February "leaves a grown up family: - which have all left. except Alexander. a Son. Married and has been living in the house. with his late Mother. and attending to the Croft. &c: - for many years." James Campbell 280 Inchomney died 23 Feb "occupied the Small Croft. Rent free. and leaves a Widow. two Sons. and a Daughter, all of weak Intellect. all Unmarried. and are living in the house." Christy Campbell (Pauper) 278 Rhilochan died 2 March "Occupied a Small house Attached to the West end of above house. Rent free. the deceased was. Unmarried. and leaves no Successor." 1894 Mar 22 telegram "House Shop D McPherson Achnagairn Burnt with Contents this morning" [4 Achnagarron]. William McPherson aged about 21, son of Duncan McPherson, was the only person about the place. Father and mother subsequently went to "Craggie-beg to his Sisterinlaw. Christina MacKenzie" 1894 Mar 24 Donald Leslie 128 West Langwell wants to renounce Croft 122 West Langwell "which as Heir-at-Law. he Claimed the tenancy. on the Death of his Father. Nov. 6th.1893. and wishes now that this Croft be given to his Sister. Mrs Alexr Macdonald. who with her husband. & family live in her late Father's house. I told him, as he well Knew, that the Neighbours. had Complained to you, about her Conduct, as being very troublesome, regarding their Stock, on the Common pasture &c" Alexander Sutherland 119 Achcork died 28 April "leaves a Widow on the place. also two Sons. grown up. and both are gone abroad." Reported May 26 Widow Alexander Sutherland 119 Achork "wishes in the meantime. to Keep on the Croft till She hears from her Sons. who are William in Fife. Robert in New Zealand. It will be August ere She Can hear from William [sic]." 1894 May 26 Alexander MacKay 263 Muie "left the house & Croft about three weeks ago. and is at present working at Dunrobin. and has I am informed Sublet the Croft to Robert McKay, 188, Muie, who paid the Rent 5/- and there being no Crop laid down this year. he has Cattle & Sheep Grazing on it. and the tenant. William Mackay 180. whose land adjoins the Croft Complains. that he is very much annoyed. with Sheep breaking over the fence. there being no person about the place looking after them." William Mackay 214 Rhilochan died 1 July "leaves an aged Widow. but had no family to the deceased. But there is an illegitimate Son of her late Husband's living with her. and who is about 15. years of age. rather Silly. The Houses on the place are in very bad order". 1894 July 23 Memo: "Wo William Mackay 214 Reidlochan does not intend to keep on the Croft. but has not made up her mind. was to get part of wood for repairing Dwelling house, all houses, are in prefect wreck.". 1894 Aug 15 making arrangements to renounce in favour of Robert Matheson. Son of Widow Charles Matheson 88 Inchomney. Robert Matheson not heir to mother's croft: eldest son, Thomas, in Upper Canada. 1894 July 9 "this is the week of the Communion in this Parish, Thursday first being the Fast day, and very little will be done during the week &c" Mary Mackay 162 Breac-ach-adh died 30 August "Single and a Pauper. Died of Cancer... and leaves no Successor. This house is Situated on the Croft 167. Ann McIntoshe's there is no Garden ground Attached. or enclosure round the house. I would Suggest that it be discontinued. and Attached to Croft 167. and as the roof timber is good. that it would be of Some value to the tenant which she would have to pay for." 1894 Sept 10 "Diphtheria is still in the family of Alexr Murray 199 Pittintraill and the Sanitary Officers are endeavouring to prevent the Spread of the Epidemic. The Schools were opened today after the Summer Holidays. with a Small Attendance &c" John Murray 129 West Langwell died 27 Nov "leaves a Widow, and grown up family of two Sons, and one Daughter. all unmarried." ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** It can be quite confusing but a Forester was employed by the landlord to preserve the deer and assist people stalk them. A woodkeeper looked after woods. Receipts for payment of salary can be found in estate records. The 1820s are a bad period for the survival of Sutherland estate accounts - compared with before and after. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Collins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 November 2002 21:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Occupation: Forrester Greetings, all... I have not been able to conquer a brick wall standing in my way, and I am hoping to try a different approach -- researching any records that might exist as a result of my ancestor's occupation. My wall is my ggg-grandfather's family records. He is John GORDON, and his death record in Angus County lists him as being born in Golspie c. 1824-1826. His parents are listed as Donald GORDON and Elizabeth McLEOD. I'm unable to find any record of their marriage or even birth information about John. On John's death certificate, however, Donald was listed as occupation: Forrester. Would there be any records in the Golspie area for anyone who might have worked in the forresting industry? Or would this have been a highly transient kind of work, and perhaps Golspie was just a stop along the way? I have searched all throughout Scotland for the GORDON / MCLEOD connection and for a matching birth record for John to no avail. Any tips or information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Michelle Collins Chicago, IL USA __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. *******************************************************************

Hi Ian - yes I am still here - busy with the Season and busily putting together a family history for the kids for Christmas - thanks to much of the wonderful information received through this group - found two cousins Ray - one in England one in Australia who kindly shared their research. And, getting ready to send my cheque along to Ron Patrick so that I may continue receiving the benefits of POSH.

Hi Cliff Which MUNROS are you chasing? Lizzi of Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: chuber <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] Hello > yes! > I am here. it is half time at the Green Bay Packers and Chicago Bears > football game. > > For any fans reading email, my interests are Sutherland Sinclairs, Munros, > Gordons, (including the Sutherland-Gordons) Mackays, and the stray Andersons > of Brora and Golspie, and a stray Montgomery family of Dornoch, all before > 1830. > > regards > Cliff of Canada > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I'm Here too, in Sutherland, quite wet her today, but mist and rain cleared later. No snow on our hills. Sorry, I'm not a sporting type (although it has been said that I'm a good sport!) Denise, Sutherland, Scotland

Hi Peter McRae (Canada), I really have doubts about this, BUT I will take another look !!! Cheers , Peter McRae , (New Zealand) [email protected]