At 20:47 20/03/03 +0000, Sue Mackay wrote: >The document is a pay book, so the columns in the booklet are headed Rank, >Name, No.of Days Entitled to Pay, Rate of Pay per Diem, Amount of Pay, >No.of Miles Marched Going and Returning. Have just noticed that the columns for the privates are different: No of days which Pay is Charged for Each Man, No of days for which Increased Rates are Charged for Each Man (sub-divided into Allowance to Men in Lieu of Beer and Allowance to Men in Stationary Quarters) and Marching Allowance, followed by the number of miles marched going and returning. Some of them marched 30 miles so perhaps they would rather have had the beer!! Sue

To George Alexander Murray and hopefully this helps someone else also. I have a bit more to add to what Christine Stokes already sent. If you get in touch with me I can add a bit more detail. The marriage: Brock District Marriages on FHL microfilm 1030051, 1839-1858. This taken from book of Brock District Marriages, page 130. Robert Murray, to Ann Matheson, both of W. Zorra. 20 Oct 1854, by Licence. Rev. McKenzie. Wit. Peter Murray and Gilbert Matheson. 1-Robert Murray - parents pretty sure John Murray and Jane McLeod but there was also a John Murray and a Jane Sutherland who had a son Robert born 1818 who were also in East Zorra 1852 census East Zorra Township, Oxford County, Ontario. NAC microfilm number C11744 or FHL microfilm number 0349231. Page 71, Division 1. House stone 1 storey, 1 family page, line, name, occupation, born, religion age, sex, status 71, 45 Murray, John farmer Scotland FC Presb 75 m married 71, 46 Murray, Jane Scotland FC Presb 67 f married 71, 47 Murray, Alexander labourer Scotland FC Presb 35 m single 71, 48 Murray, Robert labourer Scotland FC Presb 29 m single 71, 49 Murray, Jane Scotland FC Presb 16 f single b: 23 Apr 1821 in Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland d: 1886 sp: Ann Matheson - pretty sure parents are George Matheson & Ann ? b: abt 1836 in Zorra, Oxford Co., ON m: 20 Oct 1854 in Zorra, Oxford Co., ON 1852 census East Zorra Township, Oxford County, Ontario. NAC microfilm number C11744 or FHL microfilm number 0349231. Frame house 1 family 1 storey Page, line, last, first, occupation, born, religion, age status 1, 39 Matheson, George farmer Scotland FC Presb 41 m married absent-West Zorra 1, 40 Matheson, Ann B farmer Scotland FC Presb 30 f married 1, 41 Matheson, Gilbert labourer Scotland FC Presb 19 m single 1,42 Matheson, Ann B Canada FC Presb 17 f single 1,43 Matheson, George labourer Canada FC Presb 16 m single 1, 44 Matheson, Elizabeth Canada FC Presb 11 f single 1, 45 Matheson, Margaret Canada FC Presb 6 f single 1, 46 Matheson, George Canada FC Presb 4 m single 1, 47 McPherson, Donald labourer Scotland FC Presb 41 m single I imagine there is something wrong with the age of Ann B. Another source has Gilbert born in Canada. . . . 2-John Murray b: abt 1856 in East Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON . . . 2-Jean/Jennie Murray b: abt 1858 in East Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON . . . sp: Columbus Ross . . . . . . 3-Jessie Gordon Ross b: 4 Aug 1880 in West Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON . . . 2-George Murray b: abt 1861 in East Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON . . . 2-Gilbert Murray b: abt 1864 in East Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON . . . 2-Margaret Abigail Murray b: abt 1867 in East Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON . . . sp: Daniel Murray . . . 2-Jessie Murray b: abt 1870 in East Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON . . . sp: Crandall Monroe . . . 2-Matheson "Matt" Murray b: 27 Mar 1874 in East Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON d: bef 1952 . . . sp: Maria Alexandrina "Alice" Mackay **I am related to this person b: 6 Feb 1874 in West Zorra Twp., Oxford Co., ON m: 22 Feb 1907 in Helena, MT, USA d: 10 Jun 1952 in Pipestone, Pipestone, MN, USA . . . . . . 3-Julia Ann Murray b: 20 Nov 1907 d: May 1985 in Pipestone, Pipestone, MN, USA . . . . . . sp: Edwin R. Eklund b: 27 Mar 1904 d: Jun 1970 in Pipestone, Pipestone, MN, USA . . . . . . 3-Margaret Ross Murray . . . . . . sp: C. E. Mathews . . . . . . 3-Matheson Murray d: in Montana, USA . . . . . . 3-Donald Graham Murray b: 7 May 1917 in Canada d: 7 Jun 1985 in Mission Viejo, Orange, CA, USA Prepared by:Marg Hutton, 2104 Cypress Road, Comox, BC. V9M 3Z5 rkhutton@mars.ark.com 1 250 339-0429 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:17:19 -0800 From: George A Murray <cte44694@nw.centurytel.net> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030320110420.00b95140@pop3.norton.antivirus> Subject: [SUT] Test - Newbie on the list: MURRAY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Discovered yesterday my great grandfather Robert P MURRAY was born about 1822 in Sutherlandshire. I have been told he went to Zorra Township in Canada sometime between 1829 and 1832. My great grandmother Annie MATHESON was also from Sutherlandshire. They were married in Brock District (then part of Zorra Township) near Woodstock, Ontario, Canda, Oct 20, 1854. I am a second generation United States citizen living in Kalispell, Montana. George Alexander MURRAY ROBERT MURRAY married ANNIE MATHESON [c9/1821-19/1/1896] [c1823-10/2/1886] Robert P Murray and Annie are buried in the Old Log church graveyard in Zorra, Ontario, Canada, where the gravestone tells that Robert was a native of Sutherland. The following children are buried with them: JESSIE A. born 1873 [died 1941] [married Crandell Munro 1874-1969]; MARGARET, born 1856 [died 27 September 1857] and MARION, born 1878 [died infant]. Be good to know more. I am not descended - just an avid collector of Murray information!

'Knock' is Gaelic 'cnoc' generally pronounced 'krohk' with nasalised 'r' and 'o' and means 'hill', so 'Arthur's hill'. 'Dal' is Gaelic (from Norse) 'dail' = 'dale', pronounced 'dal' (the 'i' isn't sounded, but tells you how to pronounce the 'l'); 'riavoch' looks like 'riabhach' 'grey, grizzled, drab', pronounced rEE-avach (ch as in 'loch') --- so 'grey valley'. Adjectives almost always come after their nouns in Gaelic, as here. Note too how Arhur's hill becomes 'hill Arthur' with no 'the' or 'of'. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "L Sutherland" <lsuth27@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Duncan of the Local Militia List ... > As I have observed various translations for place names, does anyone have an > English version for Knockarthur and for Dalreavoch? > > Donald Lee Sutherland, > Hamilton, Ontario > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

At 12:23 20/03/03 -0500, L Sutherland wrote: >The Duncan Sutherland mentioned, any idea of age? Sorry. The document is a pay book, so the columns in the booklet are headed Rank, Name, No.of Days Entitled to Pay, Rate of Pay per Diem, Amount of Pay, No.of Miles Marched Going and Returning. The officers were also required to add their signature so I have a copy of this Duncan Sutherland's signature. Presumably if he had reached the rank of Captain he was not a lad of 18 Sue Cardiff

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Hello George, welcome to our list. Have a little bit of info on your great grandparents: ROBERT MURRAY married ANNIE MATHESON [c9/1821-19/1/1896] [c1823-10/2/1886] Robert P Murray and Annie are buried in the Old Log church graveyard in Zorra, Ontario, Canada, where the gravestone tells that Robert was a native of Sutherland. The following children are buried with them: JESSIE A. born 1873 [died 1941] [married Crandell Munro 1874-1969]; MARGARET, born 1856 [died 27 September 1857] and MARION, born 1878 [died infant]. Be good to know more. I am not descended - just an avid collector of Murray information! Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: George A Murray [mailto:cte44694@nw.centurytel.net] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:17 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Test - Newbie on the list: MURRAY Discovered yesterday my great grandfather Robert P MURRAY was born about 1822 in Sutherlandshire. I have been told he went to Zorra Township in Canada sometime between 1829 and 1832. My great grandmother Annie MATHESON was also from Sutherlandshire. They were married in Brock District (then part of Zorra Township) near Woodstock, Ontario, Canda, Oct 20, 1854. I am a second generation United States citizen living in Kalispell, Montana. George Alexander MURRAY ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003

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Hi Folks I thought members might like to know that Mr Astley of North Highland Archive has just announced this week that the Archive is closing on 28th March for "essential stocktaking" and will not re-open until 22 April. This means that it will be closed during the Easter break and just at the beginning of the tourist season, with very little notice! If any members have already booked flights/accom etc with the intention of doing research at that time, may I suggest they email the archivist at Phil.Astley@highland.gov.uk asap Kathy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/2003

Hello George, Many from Sutherland went to Zorra Township. You might want to check out www.rootsweb.com/~onoxford/. Zorra Township is in Oxford County, Ontario, and this is their website. You will be able to see the cemetery transcription for your great-grandparents as well as links to other sites. The www.ocl.net site is useful as is the www.woodstock.library.on.ca site. Good luck. Diane Geddes Michigan USA ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus ----- Original Message ----- From: George A Murray <cte44694@nw.centurytel.net> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 2:17 PM Subject: [SUT] Test - Newbie on the list: MURRAY > Discovered yesterday my great grandfather Robert P MURRAY was born about > 1822 in Sutherlandshire. I have been told he went to Zorra Township in > Canada sometime between 1829 and 1832. > > My great grandmother Annie MATHESON was also from Sutherlandshire. > > They were married in Brock District (then part of Zorra Township) near > Woodstock, Ontario, Canda, Oct 20, 1854. > > I am a second generation United States citizen living in Kalispell, Montana. > > George Alexander MURRAY > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It wasn't a "scud" then thankfully.......... edward Limpsfield, Surrey

At 14:37 20/03/03 +0000, Christine Stokes wrote: >Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is not coming through. >Would appreciate if a few people would send message to the list. Thanks Test message came through and I have been receiving mail. I was at the PRO in Kew the other day and came across a notebook in a bundle of original papers at WO13/3629 which I photocopied, but the writing has come out rather faint. It is the pay list and return of the Sutherland Local Militia when assembled for training at Dornoch from Wednesday 14 July to Thursday 29 July 1813. 410 privates listed (only 18 John Mackays!!), 13 drummers, 20 corporals, 1 drum major (Andrew Gray), 20 sergeants, 1 sergeant major (Hugh Murray), Quarter Master (Angus Fraser), surgeon (William Ross), adjutant (John Munro), 5 second lieutenants ( Alexander Anderson, Edgar Sutherland, Niel Mackay, George McKenzie, George Taylor), 7 lieutenants ( John Mackay, Alexander Mackay, George Munro, John Campbell, John McKay, William McPherson, William Munro), 6 captains (Kenneth Mackay, William McCulloch?, William Munro, Duncan Sutherland, William Taylor, Thomas Robertson?), 1 major (Dugald Gilchrist) 1 Lt.Colonel (Alexander Sutherland) and Earl Gower as Colonel. One of these days I might get round the transcribing the 410 privates, but we have just thrown ourselves into the traumas of moving house!! Meanwhile if anyone wants me to check for a name let me know. Sue Cardiff

Hi all, I just got a notice saying that I was removed from the list because my address does not exist.???? Is Rootsweb having problems?? I do not want to be unsubscribed. I have sent a request to subscribe again! Eileen --- Christine Stokes <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is > not coming through. > Would appreciate if a few people would send message > to the list. Thanks > > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release > Date: 3/13/2003 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is not coming through. Would appreciate if a few people would send message to the list. Thanks Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003

"She's comin' thru good here," in NW Ontario, Canada." Other than the 6 feet of frost to thaw, the remote phone line signals are slow, but fine. Fox, moose, and deer are rooting about, and the black bears should be waking up any day. Always searching for Sutherland Andersons, Montgomerys, Gordons, Mackays, before 1800. regards Cliff of the Bush

Hello Ian, Thanks for that - it's funny how the handwriting looks much easier when you know what the word is supposed to be! and I don't know how I saw an extra 'h' in Macdhonil.... it WAS pretty late last night! My page also includes the entry prior to that one, but the background is extremely dark, so I didn't even try to do it! Dec 24 1814, At the Durness Manse Angus ****** McKENZIE? farm servant Knock** & Effy? McPHERSON Durness. Actually looks better in daylight! Just checked the IGI (never thought till now to do a batch number search - much easier) and it is the marriage of Angus MACKAY to Effy McPHERSON; the Mckenzie may be the priest. Hope all this helps someone out. I was pleased that my Ewan McMILLAN's entry was very legible. And there is now no doubt that he is the same Ewan that you fished out for me before from 1811 - father of illigitimate Mary; foxhunter to Mr Dunlop. And also the Eivar McMILLAN, foxhunter, on the Durness Militia List of 1810. And I now have proof that Ewan and Evander are interchangeable names - at least in this family. Regards, ChristineR Vic Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Morrison To: Robert Randall ; Sutherland-List Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] Marriages Durness Dec 31 1814, 1815 - March 1817 Unfortunately, Dr. Hew Morrison's transcription of the Durness OPR ends in 1814. Therefore, only the first marriage that you have listed is included. His transcription reads as follows: [George Mackay, Macdhohil, servt., Borley ....Margaret Morrison*, alias Nin Eachin, Clashneach. *Mackay is written over Morrison 31 Dec] (in year 1814) "Macdhonil" means son of Donald and "Nin Eachin" means daughter of Hector. Ian, Ontario Canada

Hello from Michigan, USA, where the sun is shining and the temps are warming up. Spring in on the land.... Diane Geddes ------- Outgoing mail certified virus-free by Norton AntiVirus ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: [SUT] TESTING > Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is not coming through. > Would appreciate if a few people would send message to the list. Thanks > > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello all, I too have noticed little traffic. The Duncan Sutherland mentioned, any idea of age? As I have observed various translations for place names, does anyone have an English version for Knockarthur and for Dalreavoch? Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Discovered yesterday my great grandfather Robert P MURRAY was born about 1822 in Sutherlandshire. I have been told he went to Zorra Township in Canada sometime between 1829 and 1832. My great grandmother Annie MATHESON was also from Sutherlandshire. They were married in Brock District (then part of Zorra Township) near Woodstock, Ontario, Canda, Oct 20, 1854. I am a second generation United States citizen living in Kalispell, Montana. George Alexander MURRAY

Christine: Receiving you loud and clear in Southern Ontario, where Spring may have arrived at last? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:38 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] TESTING Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is not coming through. Would appreciate if a few people would send message to the list. Thanks Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Everyone!! I took a small holiday with my son while he was on a break from school last week. I am receiving mail, just not as much as usual. Cheers! Eileen Jefferies Warming up in Ontario --- Christine Stokes <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is > not coming through. > Would appreciate if a few people would send message > to the list. Thanks > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca