http://globalgenealogy.com/maps/114549.htm you could try here Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <rtstodd@btopenworld.com> To: <sct-sutherland-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: [SUT] caithness parish map > Hi all, > Could anyone please help me find a Parish map of Caithness. > I have tried the Caithness list but with no success. Ordnance Survey don't > even seem to have one, but I know there is one out there somewhere as I have > seen it in the past before I started my tree, but cannot remember where. > I am currently researching the families of Donald SINCLAIR (b. 1-4-1871 > Latheron) stuck with his father and grandfather. Also the parents of Alex > COGHILL (b. <1880> married to Mary THAIN ( 1885 Wick). > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Many thanks. > Bye for now > Richard > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/2003 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I need a term to describe a child born before the marriage of his/her parents but who is presumably automatically legitimised by the marriage. I have thought of 'pre-nuptial' but wonder if this is self-explanatory or, better still, if there's already an accepted term. This state of affairs has happened more than once in my family. Sara (Wales)

Trish, The IGI has 2 more children for this family, Alexandrina and William George, also it has Baillie as William's second name, which I am guessing is a family name, possibly his mother's. The IGI notes state this information was submitted by an LDS Church member however I found Alexandrina's birth (in 1830) in the Clyne Parish Register of Births, which makes me think the LDS Church member obtained the information from local parish records. Has anyone else had a similar experience with the IGI? Also would you know where Cambusmore was in Sutherland, I can't find it in my Gazetteer of Scotland. Thanks, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Just Imagine" <tripetwo@yahoo.ca> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] Local Militia List > Ian, > > You probably know that William's middle name was > Baillie? I don't know where I got this information > from [should be referencing my sources obviously!]. > William's wife Georgina would have been a niece and > cousin to my REED ancestors. They had at least 2 > children, Elizabeth and Gabriel. > > Have you looked William up in scottishdocuments.com? I > think he could be the one listed as William ROSS, > surgeon at Cambusmore, Sutherland. The record is dated > 1847, filed at Dornoch Sheriff Court and is 5 pages > long [in my experience, the actual number usually > turns out to be less but you get someone else's pages > thrown in]. > > I'd be most interested in whatever you find out about > William and Georgina. Good luck. > > Trish > Toronto > > --- SCT-SUTHERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:13:04 +1100 > > From: "I McLean" <mcleani@optusnet.com.au> > > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SUT] Local Militia List > > > > Hi All, > > > > I noticed the surgeon for the Local Militia list > > assembled for training at > > Dornoch in 1813 was William Ross. By 1828 he was > > Assistant Surgeon of 7th > > Dragoon Guards and married Georgina Reed in the same > > year. Georgina was the > > daughter of Gabriel Reed who had the sheep farm at > > Kilcalmkill. > > Can anyone tell me anything more about William Ross > > and his family? > > > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca >

Ian, According to www.whoownsscotland.org, Cambusmore is a 14,220 acre estate [which was recently sold - see also www.thefrasers.com/nessie/news/nesspapr060802.html] located north of Dornoch and Embo, just west of Loch Fleet. I found it using both www.streetmap.co.uk and multimap.com. Trish --- I McLean <mcleani@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Trish, > The IGI has 2 more children for this family, > Alexandrina and William George, > also it has Baillie as William's second name, which > I am guessing is a > family name, possibly his mother's. > The IGI notes state this information was submitted > by an LDS Church member > however I found Alexandrina's birth (in 1830) in the > Clyne Parish Register > of Births, which makes me think the LDS Church > member obtained the > information from local parish records. > Has anyone else had a similar experience with the > IGI? > > Also would you know where Cambusmore was in > Sutherland, I can't find it in > my Gazetteer of Scotland. > > Thanks, > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Just Imagine" <tripetwo@yahoo.ca> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:43 AM > Subject: Re: [SUT] Local Militia List > > > > Ian, > > > > You probably know that William's middle name was > > Baillie? I don't know where I got this information > > from [should be referencing my sources > obviously!]. > > William's wife Georgina would have been a niece > and > > cousin to my REED ancestors. They had at least 2 > > children, Elizabeth and Gabriel. > > > > Have you looked William up in > scottishdocuments.com? I > > think he could be the one listed as William ROSS, > > surgeon at Cambusmore, Sutherland. The record is > dated > > 1847, filed at Dornoch Sheriff Court and is 5 > pages > > long [in my experience, the actual number usually > > turns out to be less but you get someone else's > pages > > thrown in]. > > > > I'd be most interested in whatever you find out > about > > William and Georgina. Good luck. > > > > Trish > > Toronto > > > > --- SCT-SUTHERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:13:04 +1100 > > > From: "I McLean" <mcleani@optusnet.com.au> > > > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [SUT] Local Militia List > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I noticed the surgeon for the Local Militia list > > > assembled for training at > > > Dornoch in 1813 was William Ross. By 1828 he > was > > > Assistant Surgeon of 7th > > > Dragoon Guards and married Georgina Reed in the > same > > > year. Georgina was the > > > daughter of Gabriel Reed who had the sheep farm > at > > > Kilcalmkill. > > > Can anyone tell me anything more about William > Ross > > > and his family? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ian > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

In 1824 I have a Gentleman? who was fined £2.00 for "uncleaness" by the Church of Scotland around this time he had a son. In 1835 the same gentleman had another son and was fined again for " fornication with ---- " by the Church of Scotland Question is is this the same Crime with a different name? Iain A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

Good Morning, I am puzzled by your Whitehill Sutherland. The only really well known Whitehill are the Standing stones in NE Aberdeenshire. There is another Whitehill in Kelso on the Scottish Borders and yet another in Midlothian which is around the area of Edinburgh. Anybody else got anymore???? Yours Aye Dick Murray --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/2003

Hi Celeste, This was in the Northern Times of 16 December 1915. Mrs. Gordon, Whitehill, Loth received word from the War Office on Monday that her son Sergeant Donald Gordon, Cameron Highlanders was Killed In Action on September 25th. He acted as postman for the district for a number of years and afterwards emigrated to Canada. He was a reservist in the Cameron Highlanders and rejoined his regiment at the outbreak of the war. He had taken part in a number of engagements. This may be your Whitehill - I certainly can't find it on any maps that I have of the Loth Area. These articles are particularly poignant at this time. Sheila Mackay Edinburgh Scotland

Does anyone know where Whitehill, Sutherland is or was? Thanks for any suggestions. Celeste

Checking in Regards Pam Johannesburg, South Africa - glued to CNN and thinking " ... and we think we have problems HERE .. " !!! -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 20 March 2003 04:38 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] TESTING Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is not coming through. Would appreciate if a few people would send message to the list. Thanks Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Christine, If you are an avid collector of MURRAY, YOU MIGHT ENJOY THIS SNIPPET, SUNDAY, 23RD MAR, 2003 IS THE ANNIVERSAY OF THE LOSS OF SS YONGALA, there were officially 121 lives lost, they do not include 8 week old AILSA MARY MURRAY, boat lost 24th Mar, 1911. I have a good book called The Ghost Guide to Australia, and there are (2) stories on the ghostly sitings of the Yongala. I'll post to the Sutherland list, which carries some MURRAY lines. Jenelle. At 08:06 PM 20-03-03 +0000, you wrote: >Hello George, welcome to our list. >Have a little bit of info on your great grandparents: >ROBERT MURRAY married ANNIE MATHESON > [c9/1821-19/1/1896] [c1823-10/2/1886] >Robert P Murray and Annie are buried in the Old Log church graveyard in >Zorra, Ontario, Canada, where the gravestone tells that Robert was a native >of Sutherland. The following children are buried with them: JESSIE A. born >1873 [died 1941] [married Crandell Munro 1874-1969]; MARGARET, born 1856 >[died 27 September 1857] and MARION, born 1878 [died infant]. >Be good to know more. >I am not descended - just an avid collector of Murray information! > >Christine >Northamptonshire, England >www.highlandhearts.com >www.sutherlandheritage.com >email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > >-----Original Message----- >From: George A Murray [mailto:cte44694@nw.centurytel.net] >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:17 PM >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SUT] Test - Newbie on the list: MURRAY > >Discovered yesterday my great grandfather Robert P MURRAY was born about >1822 in Sutherlandshire. I have been told he went to Zorra Township in >Canada sometime between 1829 and 1832. > >My great grandmother Annie MATHESON was also from Sutherlandshire. > >They were married in Brock District (then part of Zorra Township) near >Woodstock, Ontario, Canda, Oct 20, 1854. > >I am a second generation United States citizen living in Kalispell, Montana. > >George Alexander MURRAY > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >To check out previous messages >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 > > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >Please visit our NEW POSH web site at >www.sutherlandheritage.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Jenelle McCarrick Email: jmccarrick@austarnet.com.au

Ian, You probably know that William's middle name was Baillie? I don't know where I got this information from [should be referencing my sources obviously!]. William's wife Georgina would have been a niece and cousin to my REED ancestors. They had at least 2 children, Elizabeth and Gabriel. Have you looked William up in scottishdocuments.com? I think he could be the one listed as William ROSS, surgeon at Cambusmore, Sutherland. The record is dated 1847, filed at Dornoch Sheriff Court and is 5 pages long [in my experience, the actual number usually turns out to be less but you get someone else's pages thrown in]. I'd be most interested in whatever you find out about William and Georgina. Good luck. Trish Toronto --- SCT-SUTHERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:13:04 +1100 > From: "I McLean" <mcleani@optusnet.com.au> > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SUT] Local Militia List > > Hi All, > > I noticed the surgeon for the Local Militia list > assembled for training at > Dornoch in 1813 was William Ross. By 1828 he was > Assistant Surgeon of 7th > Dragoon Guards and married Georgina Reed in the same > year. Georgina was the > daughter of Gabriel Reed who had the sheep farm at > Kilcalmkill. > Can anyone tell me anything more about William Ross > and his family? > > Thanks, > Ian ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

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Hi All, I noticed the surgeon for the Local Militia list assembled for training at Dornoch in 1813 was William Ross. By 1828 he was Assistant Surgeon of 7th Dragoon Guards and married Georgina Reed in the same year. Georgina was the daughter of Gabriel Reed who had the sheep farm at Kilcalmkill. Can anyone tell me anything more about William Ross and his family? Thanks, Ian

Christine, If you are an avid collector of MURRAY, YOU MIGHT ENJOY THIS SNIPPET, SUNDAY, 23RD MAR, 2003 IS THE ANNIVERSAY OF THE LOSS OF SS YONGALA, there were officially 121 lives lost, they do not include 8 week old AILSA MARY MURRAY, boat lost 24th Mar, 1911. I have a good book called The Ghost Guide to Australia, and there are (2) stories on the ghostly sitings of the Yongala. I'll post to the Sutherland list, which carries some MURRAY lines. Jenelle. At 08:06 PM 20-03-03 +0000, you wrote: >Hello George, welcome to our list. >Have a little bit of info on your great grandparents: >ROBERT MURRAY married ANNIE MATHESON > [c9/1821-19/1/1896] [c1823-10/2/1886] >Robert P Murray and Annie are buried in the Old Log church graveyard in >Zorra, Ontario, Canada, where the gravestone tells that Robert was a native >of Sutherland. The following children are buried with them: JESSIE A. born >1873 [died 1941] [married Crandell Munro 1874-1969]; MARGARET, born 1856 >[died 27 September 1857] and MARION, born 1878 [died infant]. >Be good to know more. >I am not descended - just an avid collector of Murray information! > >Christine >Northamptonshire, England >www.highlandhearts.com >www.sutherlandheritage.com >email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > >-----Original Message----- >From: George A Murray [mailto:cte44694@nw.centurytel.net] >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:17 PM >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SUT] Test - Newbie on the list: MURRAY > >Discovered yesterday my great grandfather Robert P MURRAY was born about >1822 in Sutherlandshire. I have been told he went to Zorra Township in >Canada sometime between 1829 and 1832. > >My great grandmother Annie MATHESON was also from Sutherlandshire. > >They were married in Brock District (then part of Zorra Township) near >Woodstock, Ontario, Canda, Oct 20, 1854. > >I am a second generation United States citizen living in Kalispell, Montana. > >George Alexander MURRAY > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >To check out previous messages >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 > > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >Please visit our NEW POSH web site at >www.sutherlandheritage.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Jenelle McCarrick Email: jmccarrick@austarnet.com.au

Many thanks to Malcolm for posting the 1809 (SCT-SUTHERLAND-D Digest V03 #129 / 18 March 2003). My husband's ancestors Robert FRASER and Elizabeth McKAY were in Borrobol/Borable 42 Robt Frazer Tenant Kinvaid Where is/was Kinvaid (especially in relation to Borobol/Borable) ? Was Kinvaid a farm or a distinct settlement in 1809 ? 45 Alexr. Frazer Tenant Liriboll Is/was Liriboll near Borrobol/Borable and/or Kinvaid ? With thanks, Frances Bishop

Noted on "Kildonan Militia List 1809" - Malcolm's welcome posting of Tuesday, 18 Mar 2003: 50 Thos. Suthd servt. to Mr Sage Kildonan "Mr. Sage" was Alexander, the Minister of Kildonan at the time, but "Thos. Suthd" is a new name for me. Can anyone cast light on this gentleman (presumably Thomas SUTHERLAND)? 1. Is there a reference to a Thomas SUTHERLAND in the sections on Kildonan in the book Memorabilia Domestica (memoirs of the minister's son, Rev. Donald Sage)? 2. Can anyone place Thomas in a SUTHERLAND family known to reside in the Kildonan town-site around 1809? With thanks and best wishes, Frances Bishop

Test to List. I seem to be receiving emails just fine. Sharon Ellis, Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada

I appear to be getting mail as usual John McKay, Swindon,UK

******************************************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************* I am assuming that this only relates to the Archive at Wick and not to the Archive in Inverness (which as yet still houses the majority of Sutherland records). It is excessive. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Wares [mailto:kathywares@waresk.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 20 March 2003 17:11 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] North Highland Archive. ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Hi Folks I thought members might like to know that Mr Astley of North Highland Archive has just announced this week that the Archive is closing on 28th March for "essential stocktaking" and will not re-open until 22 April. This means that it will be closed during the Easter break and just at the beginning of the tourist season, with very little notice! If any members have already booked flights/accom etc with the intention of doing research at that time, may I suggest they email the archivist at Phil.Astley@highland.gov.uk asap Kathy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 13/03/2003 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk.

I'm here Christine, but got very little mail from anywhere since your last posting to list. My "Durness marriage" mail came through from Ian ok. twice, since he had done reply all. ChristineR Vic Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: [SUT] TESTING > Receiving private messages suggesting that mail is not coming through. > Would appreciate if a few people would send message to the list. Thanks > > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >