Hang on, did this John die in Scotland? If he made it to 1855 then his death cert should give his parents details. And if his father lived long enough to work in the same place for 50 years he might have survived long enough to get into the 1841 census. Just some thoughts. Judy ---------- >From: "velma yvonne riddell" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCT-ROX] RIDDELL of WAUCHOPE/HOBKIRK. >Date: 19, Tue Aug, 2003, 11:06 pm > > John Riddell.b.1779.Hobkirk,(1851 Census.72yrs)

Sorry all, I should have put more info on line. Have that many papers scattered around, my brain has decided to do the same. Ok, notes say John died before 1861. buried Bowden Cemetery. From family book, " At some stage of their lives(John and Margaret) this family made the move from Wauchope to Clarilaw near Lillieleaf where John is said to have been a shepherd for many years. Later there was another move to a farm called Berryhill somewhere in Bowden and Melrose areas and with it came a change of status. The 1851 Census return tells us that John was a farmer of 20 acress aged 72yrs and his place of birth Hobkirk. Margaret is stated as being the same age with place of birth Cavers, while their son Turnbull aged 26 was listed as a farmers son, his place of birth not readable. (1881 Census has Turnbulls place of birth as Bowden). The 1861 Census shows some changes in ten years. The farm has grown to 38 acres and Margaret lived there with her son Turnbull, his wife Helen and two young children, Margaret and John as well as a servant. This leads to the fact that John had died during this time and Margaret some time later, though I have no real proof. It is claimed that John and his wife and menbers of their family are buried in the Bowden churchyard and the farm Berryhill was close to Abbotdford." Notes taken from "The Ancient History of the Ryedales" John Riddell was the son of a shepherd, who for about 50 years kept sheep at Wauchope, about 12 miles south of Hawick and near the English border. Ok, thanks for the hint on the 1841 Census Judy, will try our local LDS and see if they have a copy. Val Riddell. Australia.