Hi Walter Had a look at the BVR 11 and found a little information about this couple They had a John bn 1806 registered by father William in Mdl. Dalkeith. the FHL film is no. 1066680 The 2nd John b 13 Nov 1808 c. 4 Dec. 1808, Gideon b 23 Apr 1810 c,. 17 May 1808 these two on FHL film is No. 1067935 Taking John as William's father name I couldn't find anything concrete but looking for a Gideon Renwick as Catharin/Catherine's father came up with the following Gideon RENWICK wife Katharine MILLER Hawick Rox. with two sons but I think I have made a mistake here as I have then both down as William the dates they were christened is 26 Aug 1781 and 3rd May 1778 the FHl film no is 1067935 Hope it is of some help seahawk Bay of Islands NZ