Hello Andrew You should be looking for a book called 'The Murrays of Rulewater' , ISBN 0-95 11763-0-7, published 1986. This will give the whole descendant tree from John Murray and Isobel Turnbull. A friend kindly loaned the book to me during the summer and I have just acquired a copy myself from Phillimores web site http://www.phillimore.co.uk/ I had the book on order from Amazon since July and was getting nowhere when I saw a mention of Phillimore's site on another mailing list. Went and had a look and the book was delivered within 2 days. If you are from this line you need to see this book. It is hardback and well worth buying. My reason for acquiring the book is that there is a chapter on a Murray line in Redesdale, Northumberland which is where my Murray's are from. I cannot place my line into that shown in the book but all of the photographs I have of my family bear a striking resemblance to those in the book. Cheers Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Murray SHANNON To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: [SCT-ROX] Murrays To all those on this list who are researching the name of Murray. I am researching the ancestors and/or descendants of John Murray of Hobkirk, born 1669, married Isobel Turnbull of Bedrule, born 25 May 1672, on 15 August 1701. I know one descendant was Sir James Murray of the Oxford Dictionary fame. Any information would be appreciated. Andrew ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== ARE you a Crosier or Crozier, or connected to one of them, then why not try [email protected] Surely it's got to be worth a try? ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.535 / Virus Database: 330 - Release Date: 01/11/2003