There is quite a good chart on the Kerrs if you go to www.stirnet.com and follow the prompts, although some of it is not absolutely correct, but gives you a good background to the families and includes the Duke of Roxburgh. If anyone can help me, I am particularly interested in Sir Thomas Ker of Redden (descendant of Thomas Kerr of Smailholm, 1st of Ferniehirst) who m. Jean Ker (dau of James Ker of Chatto). They had a daughter, Vair KER, b. Sprouston in 1636 who m. John HOG in 1659 in Kelso. Their children were all b. Roxburgh, Roxburgh. Any help with the HOGG family in Roxburgh, Roxburgh would be much appreciated. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <Copywriter@tesco.net> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Kerr's of Cavers Parish. > this isnt as bonkers as it sounds although I think the tale has got a bit > confused in the telling ;-) > > Somewhere stuffed into a drawer I have a helpful chart of the Ker or Kerr > family and I think there were indeed 2 branches, altho it does get a bit > complicated. The chart is in the back of a guidebook. > > The Ferniehurst branch won out I believe and the family of the Marquis of > Lothian are Kers. or Kerrs. That includes Michael Ancrum - the Tory MP? > Yes, the very same. > > Cessford Farm is owned by the Duke of Roxburghe, but I think that is an > altogether different family. Land does change hands, but the D of R has > owned it for well over a century anyway. > > I would not swear to all this as fact, I am just putting down what I can > remember from the time I looked into all this. > > On the other hand....in the Borders you can hardly cross a field without > tripping over a Kerr. So if you are a Kerr in Denholm there is little to > stop you claiming to be the rightful heir in the Cross Keys on a Saturday > night. It might get you a pint, and who's to gainsay you? > > Your pals might call you the Duke of Roxburghe with a certain amount of > irony. > > > Judy > > ---------- > >From: "john murray" <jmba17414@blueyonder.co.uk> > >To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [SCT-ROX] Kerr's of Cavers Parish. > >Date: 04, Mon Oct, 2004, 8:32 pm > > > > > Hi All, > > Is any body Researching the Kerr's who came from Cavers Parish in the > 1700. > > I am trying to find out about Walter Kerr born 1744 Cavers Parish, it is > > stated that he was commonly known in Denholm by the nickname of > > 'Duke of Roxburgh' in reference to his claim to be the heir male of the > > Kerr's of Cessford. > > I did find a reference to Sir Walter Ker/Kerr of Cessford in the book > > Rulewater and it People Page 198. > > Walter Ker born 1744 Blacksmith in Cavers Parish & also Castleton Parish > > now Newcastleton. > > Died 9 May 1817 Buried in Castleton Churchyard. > > Married Isabel Murray Born 1751 Bedrule Parish. > > Died 12th July 1818 Castleton Parish. > > Isabel is one of the Murray of Rulewater. > > John Murray. > > Died > > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > > Help us to improve this list by asking all your Roxburgh friends to > > subscribe to 'SCT-ROXBURGH' > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Armstrong in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ARMSTRONG list at CLAN-ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a try?? > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

this isnt as bonkers as it sounds although I think the tale has got a bit confused in the telling ;-) Somewhere stuffed into a drawer I have a helpful chart of the Ker or Kerr family and I think there were indeed 2 branches, altho it does get a bit complicated. The chart is in the back of a guidebook. The Ferniehurst branch won out I believe and the family of the Marquis of Lothian are Kers. or Kerrs. That includes Michael Ancrum - the Tory MP? Yes, the very same. Cessford Farm is owned by the Duke of Roxburghe, but I think that is an altogether different family. Land does change hands, but the D of R has owned it for well over a century anyway. I would not swear to all this as fact, I am just putting down what I can remember from the time I looked into all this. On the other hand....in the Borders you can hardly cross a field without tripping over a Kerr. So if you are a Kerr in Denholm there is little to stop you claiming to be the rightful heir in the Cross Keys on a Saturday night. It might get you a pint, and who's to gainsay you? Your pals might call you the Duke of Roxburghe with a certain amount of irony. Judy ---------- >From: "john murray" <jmba17414@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SCT-ROX] Kerr's of Cavers Parish. >Date: 04, Mon Oct, 2004, 8:32 pm > > Hi All, > Is any body Researching the Kerr's who came from Cavers Parish in the 1700. > I am trying to find out about Walter Kerr born 1744 Cavers Parish, it is > stated that he was commonly known in Denholm by the nickname of > 'Duke of Roxburgh' in reference to his claim to be the heir male of the > Kerr's of Cessford. > I did find a reference to Sir Walter Ker/Kerr of Cessford in the book > Rulewater and it People Page 198. > Walter Ker born 1744 Blacksmith in Cavers Parish & also Castleton Parish > now Newcastleton. > Died 9 May 1817 Buried in Castleton Churchyard. > Married Isabel Murray Born 1751 Bedrule Parish. > Died 12th July 1818 Castleton Parish. > Isabel is one of the Murray of Rulewater. > John Murray. > Died > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > Help us to improve this list by asking all your Roxburgh friends to > subscribe to 'SCT-ROXBURGH' > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi All, Is any body Researching the Kerr's who came from Cavers Parish in the 1700. I am trying to find out about Walter Kerr born 1744 Cavers Parish, it is stated that he was commonly known in Denholm by the nickname of 'Duke of Roxburgh' in reference to his claim to be the heir male of the Kerr's of Cessford. I did find a reference to Sir Walter Ker/Kerr of Cessford in the book Rulewater and it People Page 198. Walter Ker born 1744 Blacksmith in Cavers Parish & also Castleton Parish now Newcastleton. Died 9 May 1817 Buried in Castleton Churchyard. Married Isabel Murray Born 1751 Bedrule Parish. Died 12th July 1818 Castleton Parish. Isabel is one of the Murray of Rulewater. John Murray. Died

Hi Margaret On my database I have a Jane Stenhouse b 28 Sept 1849 IGI Yetholm father William who was married twice 2nd wife Jane Davidson or (Jeanie) mother of Jane who was one of their 6 children, I also have a James Veitch marrying Elizabeth Stenhouse back in 17 85 in Yetholm. If these are of interest can give further information Have a nice day Faith Bay of Islands NZ

Hi I am researching a veitch line which was in Roxburghshire and Berwickshire. George Veitch married Mgt Cockburn, they had several children in Berwickshire including James b 1853, Andrew, Anne and David b 1856. James married Jane Stenhouse in 1880 having previously married Margaret Thomson in 1874 and had a child Mary Anne at Greenlaw. The Stenhouses were from Rox around Yetholm.They moved to Leith - family Jane, Margaret Elizabeth and Emily. Is any of this familiar? If so please get back in touch Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Burrell" <mark.burrell@bigpond.com> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] Surname interests Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Vietch > Hi all, > > My Roxburgh surname interests include > Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Veitch > > I am connected with descendants of these families who emigrated to Australia in the mid 1800s. I would love to hear from others researching these names > > Mark > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > Please send all your messages via the list so that we can all benefit from your knowledge and hopefully add to it. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Burrell" <mark.burrell@bigpond.com> Hi Mark >From my understanding and research there were a lot of Murrays in Roxburghshire in the 1800's and so not sure whether this one has anything to do with yours. I have a 3xgr aunt, Isabella Wilmot, who married a James Doull Murray on December 26,1854 in Kelso, Roxburghshire. If this Murray is one of yours let me know and I'll share the Wilmot side with you. The names I am researching in this area include Wilmot, Murray, Whitelaw, Sadler,Blyth and Ryrie. Judy To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] Surname interests Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Vietch > Hi all, > > My Roxburgh surname interests include > Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Veitch > > I am connected with descendants of these families who emigrated to Australia in the mid 1800s. I would love to hear from others researching these names > > Mark > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > Please send all your messages via the list so that we can all benefit from your knowledge and hopefully add to it. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi all, My Roxburgh surname interests include Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Veitch I am connected with descendants of these families who emigrated to Australia in the mid 1800s. I would love to hear from others researching these names Mark

Do you have any Vietch that continued on to Canada? I have a Walter Vietch who was married to Jemima Young and settled in Ontario, Canada in that time period. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Burrell<mailto:mark.burrell@bigpond.com> To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: [SCT-ROX] Surname interests Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Vietch Hi all, My Roxburgh surname interests include Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Veitch I am connected with descendants of these families who emigrated to Australia in the mid 1800s. I would love to hear from others researching these names Mark ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== Please send all your messages via the list so that we can all benefit from your knowledge and hopefully add to it. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

Hi Mark - I have a Robert Scott b 13 Nov 1818 Newtonmill, Melrose, Roxburgh. He was a son of Andrew Scottt & Joan Hope. I don't know who Robert married. Old family notes state "Robert went to Australia; 2 sons, 2 daughters; lost all contact." The only other thing I know about this Robert Scott is that he was 37 yrs in 1855 when his mother, Joan Hope, died in 1855 (as stated on her death cert). Do you see any connection? Joan Santa Rosa, CA Mark Burrell <mark.burrell@bigpond.com> wrote: Hi all, My Roxburgh surname interests include Murray, Weatherley, Scott, Beattie, Veitch I am connected with descendants of these families who emigrated to Australia in the mid 1800s. I would love to hear from others researching these names Mark ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== Please send all your messages via the list so that we can all benefit from your knowledge and hopefully add to it. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi I am trying to trace my fathers half brother who I believe was called David Ingles Reed Robertson or Robinson, the same as his father was. This gentleman also had a sister called Janet. Their mother was Robina Amos. My dad says the last he heard David was living in Hawick and that when he married he was in Burnfoot, Hawick. I think the person I am looking for would be in his 60's. If I can find him or any relatives I would like to make contact with them so as to be able to fill in missing spaces on my tree. Many thanks Andrea Walker Hull England ____________________________________________________________________________ This email and all attachments have been scanned by Kingston Communications' email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were detected. ____________________________________________________________________________

Yes Georgia the parents of Margaret Elliot were Francis Elliot and Mary Hislop-I found from her death cert.she did not get married until she was 38 and when i found her as having William and Mary in the 1851 census her age seemed to make things a bit harder.. They did not get their children Christened and this put me off a bit in finding any other children. Regards Coral Elliot (Elliot is my husbands Line. Thank You Again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clements" <gmclements42@bigpond.com> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Mair > Coral, > > Researching Gilbert Mair and Margaret Elliot married in Roberton,Selkirk > June 1828 > > This could possibly be your Margaret Elliot, > > IGI Individual Record FamilySearchT British Isles > MARGARET ELLIOT Female > Christening: 14 APR 1790 Roberton, Selkirk, Scotland > Father: FRANCIS ELLIOT Family > Mother: MARY HISLOPE > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: > C117772 1679 - 1822 1067926, 1067927 Film 6901584 Film > > Georgia Clements. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Coral" <coral@westnet.com.au> > To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:27 PM > Subject: [SCT-ROX] Mair > > > > Researching Gilbert Mair and Margaret Elliot married in Roberton,Selkirk > June 1828.No other information. > > Coral > > Ihave not had any Emails since Saturday from the list. > > Has it been a quiet couple of days. > > Coral > > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > > ATTENTION those of you with Elliot in your line!!! Have you thought of > trying the CLAN-ELLIOT list at CLAN-ELLIOT-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a > try? > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > 'Here's tae us, wha's like us? Damn few and thair a' deid.' > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Yes yes yes this is my Gilbert and ,Margaret Mair,thank you i am so delighted.Ihad found the parents on the 1851 census but the children listed were William and Mary no others this will indeed complete the rest of the children. Thank you again Georgia. Regards Coral ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clements" <gmclements42@bigpond.com> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Mair > Coral, > This is the 1841 Census.....This could be your Gilbert Mair > > Piece: SCT1841/810 Place: Wilton-Roxburghshire Enumeration District: 3 > Civil Parish: Wilton Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - > Folio: 3 Page: 3 > Address: Silverbuthall > > Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks > MAIR Gilbert M 55 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire > MAIR Margaret F 50 Roxburghshire > MAIR William M 20 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire > MAIR Andrew M 15 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire > MAIR Walter M 12 Roxburghshire > MAIR Francis M 10 Roxburghshire > MAIR Mary F 8 Roxburghshire > Page: 3/4 MACKUSKAY James M 30 Agricultural Labourer Ireland > MCALAMENY Alexander M 35 Stocking M. J. Wool Ireland > MCALAMENY Margaret F 35 Ireland > MCALAMENY John M 12 Stocking M. App. Wool Ireland > MCALAMENY Mary F 5 Roxburghshire > MCALAMENY Alexander M 8 Outside Census County (1841) > MCALAMENY Robert M 4 Roxburghshire > MCALAMENY Margaret F 11m Roxburghshire > HART John M 25 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire > HART Betsy F 20 Roxburghshire > HART Margaret F 3 Roxburghshire > HART Adam M 2 Roxburghshire > KING Mather F 66 Roxburghshire > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Coral" <coral@westnet.com.au> > To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:27 PM > Subject: [SCT-ROX] Mair > > > > Researching Gilbert Mair and Margaret Elliot married in Roberton,Selkirk > June 1828.No other information. > > Coral > > Ihave not had any Emails since Saturday from the list. > > Has it been a quiet couple of days. > > Coral > > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > > ATTENTION those of you with Elliot in your line!!! Have you thought of > trying the CLAN-ELLIOT list at CLAN-ELLIOT-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a > try? > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > Stand firm and sure > For Jethart's here > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Coral, > Researching Gilbert Mair and Margaret Elliot married in Roberton,Selkirk June 1828 This could possibly be your Margaret Elliot, IGI Individual Record FamilySearchT British Isles MARGARET ELLIOT Female Christening: 14 APR 1790 Roberton, Selkirk, Scotland Father: FRANCIS ELLIOT Family Mother: MARY HISLOPE Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C117772 1679 - 1822 1067926, 1067927 Film 6901584 Film Georgia Clements. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coral" <coral@westnet.com.au> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] Mair > Researching Gilbert Mair and Margaret Elliot married in Roberton,Selkirk June 1828.No other information. > Coral > Ihave not had any Emails since Saturday from the list. > Has it been a quiet couple of days. > Coral > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Elliot in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ELLIOT list at CLAN-ELLIOT-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a try? > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Coral, This is the 1841 Census.....This could be your Gilbert Mair Piece: SCT1841/810 Place: Wilton-Roxburghshire Enumeration District: 3 Civil Parish: Wilton Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 3 Page: 3 Address: Silverbuthall Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks MAIR Gilbert M 55 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire MAIR Margaret F 50 Roxburghshire MAIR William M 20 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire MAIR Andrew M 15 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire MAIR Walter M 12 Roxburghshire MAIR Francis M 10 Roxburghshire MAIR Mary F 8 Roxburghshire Page: 3/4 MACKUSKAY James M 30 Agricultural Labourer Ireland MCALAMENY Alexander M 35 Stocking M. J. Wool Ireland MCALAMENY Margaret F 35 Ireland MCALAMENY John M 12 Stocking M. App. Wool Ireland MCALAMENY Mary F 5 Roxburghshire MCALAMENY Alexander M 8 Outside Census County (1841) MCALAMENY Robert M 4 Roxburghshire MCALAMENY Margaret F 11m Roxburghshire HART John M 25 Agricultural Labourer Roxburghshire HART Betsy F 20 Roxburghshire HART Margaret F 3 Roxburghshire HART Adam M 2 Roxburghshire KING Mather F 66 Roxburghshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coral" <coral@westnet.com.au> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] Mair > Researching Gilbert Mair and Margaret Elliot married in Roberton,Selkirk June 1828.No other information. > Coral > Ihave not had any Emails since Saturday from the list. > Has it been a quiet couple of days. > Coral > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Elliot in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ELLIOT list at CLAN-ELLIOT-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a try? > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Pam Hawkins......Could this be your Samuel Patterson's family............. IGI Individual Record FamilySearchT British Isles SAMUEL PATERSON Male Birth: 27 AUG 1862 Ladhope, Roxburgh, Scotland Parents: Father: JOHN PATERSON Family Mother: AGNES SHIELS Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C119371 1856 - 1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE DAVID PATERSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 15 APR 1860 Dunoon And Kilmun, Argyll, Scotland 77. ROBERT PATTERSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 13 DEC 1857 Dunoon And Kilmun, Argyll, Scotland 78. MARY PATERSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 02 APR 1866 Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland 79. JOHN PATERSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 15 AUG 1867 Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland 80. MARGARET CARMICHAEL PATERSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 07 SEP 1864 Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland 81. JAMES PATERSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 23 FEB 1869 Melrose, Roxburgh, Scotland 82. SAMUEL PATERSON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 27 AUG 1862 Ladhope, Roxburgh, Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Hawkins" <pjhawk@cablespeed.com> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] UK 1881 census > Would someone that has access to this census do a lookup for me, > please. Looking for a Samuel PATERSON/PATTERSON, age about 19 years, > living in Scotland, probably in Roxburgh or Selkirk. Occupation > probably Factory Worker Woollen. If he is still with his family his > parents would be John or James and Agnes or Nancy. Siblings were > Robert, David, Margaret, and Mary. All help would be so much > appreciated. Thanks, Pam. > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Armstrong in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ARMSTRONG list at CLAN-ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a try?? > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Dwelling: 117 Castle Street Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203649 GRO Ref Volume 644-6 EnumDist 31 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John PATERSON M 42 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Dealer Mary PATERSON M 41 F Ireland Rel: Wife Samuel PATERSON U 19 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Vanman Mary J. PATERSON U 16 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Tailoress Emily PATERSON 12 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Thomas CRAWFORT U 26 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Furnaceman Dwelling: Rosevale Street Rosevale Dairy Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203689 GRO Ref Volume 646-2 EnumDist 12 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James PATERSON M 73 M Stonehouse, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Dairyman And Contractor (Carter) Marion PATERSON M 53 F Lesmahgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Robert PATERSON U 26 M Stonehouse, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Potato Salesman James PATERSON U 24 M Stonehouse, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: General Carter Mary PATERSON U 22 F Stonehouse, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dairymaid Samuel PATERSON U 19 M Stonehouse, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Carter Nelly PATERSON U 16 F Stonehouse, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dairymaid Christina MILLER U 14 F Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Dairymaid welling: Caldercruix Toll Census Place: Shotts, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203704 GRO Ref Volume 655-1 EnumDist 5 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John PEACOCK M 63 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Paper Maker Margaret PEACOCK M 62 F Denny, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Wife Walter PEACOCK U 22 M Kelvinside, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Paper Maker Samuel PATERSON U 18 M Maryhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Paper Maker There are a few more but younger or married and slightly older Regards Marion -----Original Message----- From: Pam Hawkins [mailto:pjhawk@cablespeed.com] Sent: 28 September 2004 13:20 To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ROX] UK 1881 census Would someone that has access to this census do a lookup for me, please. Looking for a Samuel PATERSON/PATTERSON, age about 19 years, living in Scotland, probably in Roxburgh or Selkirk. Occupation probably Factory Worker Woollen. If he is still with his family his parents would be John or James and Agnes or Nancy. Siblings were Robert, David, Margaret, and Mary. All help would be so much appreciated. Thanks, Pam. ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== ATTENTION those of you with Armstrong in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ARMSTRONG list at CLAN-ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a try?? ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 22/09/2004

Would someone that has access to this census do a lookup for me, please. Looking for a Samuel PATERSON/PATTERSON, age about 19 years, living in Scotland, probably in Roxburgh or Selkirk. Occupation probably Factory Worker Woollen. If he is still with his family his parents would be John or James and Agnes or Nancy. Siblings were Robert, David, Margaret, and Mary. All help would be so much appreciated. Thanks, Pam.

There are 10 MIs for DOUGLAS. Associated names are : TURNBULL/WAUGH/DUFTON/HICKS WANLES/HENDERSON/COWENS CUNNINGHAM SPENCE GRAHAM/MERRIE/BELL/GRAHAM/DIDSBURY/DINGWELL MATHER JERDAN/DAVIDSON HERBERT/MELROSE/SHERRIFF MIDELMEST/MIDDLEMESS There is only one for MONTGOMERY but it is a 20th century entry. I can't offer to transcribe all the DOUGLAS entries but if some of the above names look to be of interest, let me know and I will copy those chosen. I have also sent the following to Mandy : "The Borders Family History Society Magazine No. 31 (June 1996) and No. 32 (October 1996) has articles on the Yetholm gypsies. I can't see any reference to the names WINTER or ROMANIS. It does say "The first gypsy settlers in Kirk Yetholm were the Youngs and then Taits. Gordons, Fleckie, Blythe and DOUGLAS". Perhaps a google search on Yetholm +gypsies might retrieve some interesting items." Cheers, Valerie in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: <nancy-scholz@webtv.net> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Re: New to the list > Hi Valerie, Do you have a record of any Douglas or Montgomery in > the Yetholm area 1800`s ? Nan nancy-scholz@webtv.net > > Nan@webtv.net > > ______________________________

Researching Gilbert Mair and Margaret Elliot married in Roberton,Selkirk June 1828.No other information. Coral Ihave not had any Emails since Saturday from the list. Has it been a quiet couple of days. Coral

Do you have the following MIs from Yetholm? (Slate stone) Sacred to the memory of ISAAC WINTER who died at Harlaw 14.4.1858 aged 80 years also ISABELLA RICHARDSON his wife who died at Paston 7.4.1864 aged 83 years also ROBERT WINTER his son who died at West Learmouth 8.8.1896 aged 79 years. (next grave) Erected by ROBERT ROBSON in memory of his beloved wife JANE WINTER who died at Mindrum Mill 1.9.1889 aged 43 years. EUPHEMIA BEATRICE ROBSON thier only beloved daughter who died 20.9.1890 aged 8 years also ALICE COCKBURN his wife 19.1.1895 aged 38 years also ROBERT his son who died at Newcastle 26.2.1896 aged 26 years also the above ROBERT ROBSON who died at West Newton 25.3.1904 aged 66 years. (Beside gate) In memory of DAVID LYON who died 10.12.1840 aged 86 years also ANN WIGHTMAN his spouse who died 16.3.1842 aged 66 years also ANN LYON who died 4.6.1827 aged 8 years also JANE LYON who died 1.3.1847 aged 39 years also MARY T. MITCHEL spouse of THOMAS LYON died 19.4.1849 aged 26 years also DAVID LYON their son who died 17.1.1849 aged 7 weeks also ELIZABETH WINTER spouse of THOMAS LYON who died 12.7.1859 aged 37 years also DAVID LYON their son who died 31.10.1884 aged 27 years also the above THOMAS LYON who died at Yetholm 27.2.1888 aged 78 years. There are no ROMANIS (or variants) in Yetholm churchyard. I always thought this name had gypsy connections, but I don't know on what I based this. I had a look in the 1881 census to see if any other clues showed up. This could be ROBERT WINTER (d. West Learmouth 8.8.1896 aged 79 years), but no proof unless you have some additional information : Dwelling: Lanton Census Place: Lanton, Northumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342239 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5134 Folio 68 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert WINTER M 62 M Norham, Northumberland, England Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Elizabeth WINTER M 63 F Scotland Rel: Wife Elizabeth WINTER U 23 F Kirknewton, Northumberland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Ag Lab This would appear to be ROBERT ROBSON and wife JANE WINTER (who have a son named ISAAC) : Dwelling: Beaumont Hill Census Place: Paston, Northumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342239 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5134 Folio 89 Page 16 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert ROBSON M 43 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Jane ROBSON M 36 F Shotton, Northumberland, England Rel: Wife Occ: Ag Lab Wife Robert ROBSON 11 M Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Ag Lab Son Isaac ROBSON 5 M Beaumont Hill, Northumberland, England Rel: Son Occ: Ag Lab Son This would be THOMAS LYON whose wife ELIZABETH WINTER had died in 1859 : Dwelling: East Side Town Yetholm Census Place: Yetholm, Roxburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224044 GRO Ref Volume 811 EnumDist 2 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas LYON W 71 M Yetholm, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Shoemaker James LYON M 48 M Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Shoemaker Jane LYON M 43 F Eckford, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur In Law John LYON 8 M Yetholm, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Grandson Occ: Scholar John LEISHMAN U 28 M Chevington, England Rel: Boarder Occ: Shoemaker and this appears to be their son DAVID LYON living in London with well over one hundred other draper's assistants : Dwelling: 151 To 158 Oxford St 2 To 16 Marylebone Lane Census Place: St Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341031 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0139 Folio 14 Page 19 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Edward GOUGH U 28 M Molland, Devon, England Rel: Assistant (Head) Occ: Drapers Assistants David LYONS U 23 M Getholm, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Assistant Occ: Drapers Assistant There is another WINTER family born in the adjacent parish of Linton, ROX and containing family names of Isabella and Robert : Dwelling: 1 Green Wynd Census Place: Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224040 GRO Ref Volume 789 EnumDist 12 Page 18 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John WINTER M 24 M Linton, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Clerk (Grocers) Ellen WINTER M 20 F Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife Isabella WINTER 2 F Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Susan Storie WINTER 9 m F Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Agnes WINTER U 26 F Linton, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Sister Occ: Dress Maker Robert WINTER U 19 M Linton, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Brother Occ: Tweed Cropper You could also try searching on the FreeCen site by entering year 1841, surname WINTER (or ROMANIS), census place Yetholm and census county Roxburghshire and see if you have any luck there. Best wishes, Valerie in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mandy Buchanan" <mysticmandy_gingerwitch@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: New to the list > Hello > I am researching the following names in the borders and Rox area > > Winter(s) - Yetholm and Town Yetholm - in particular Isaac Winter and his wife Isabella Richardson late 18th and early 19th century - daughters and sons including Jane Winter who married into family below > > Romaines/Romains/Romanis etc - Joseph Romaines (spelled variously) father William mother ?Isabella? - married Jane Winter in 184o's and lived all over the place including Gateshead Co Durham, Kirknewton area particularly Kilham and Kirk Yetholm. > > I have details of the Romanis family up till the 1900 mark (ish) but not much on the Winter family - just some educated guesses so far. > > Love to hear from any of you out there > > Cheers Mandy Buchanan > Gateshead > > ______________________________