Helen, The concoction made in a pan, could this be Stovies? Loads of potatoes and onion's boiled away to a mash in a beef stock, served with either sausages cut up into it, or, my favourite with Stovies is tinned corn beef, either mixed in or served along with the Stovies. Also liberal lashings of Mushroom Ketchup over the top of the Stovies. Yum Yum. Regards, Ian R. Millar Ettrick Graphics ian@ettrickgraphics.com www.ettrickgraphics.com (Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive)

Helen, The concoction made in a pan, could this be Stovies? Loads of potatoes and onion's boiled away to a mash in a beef stock, served with either sausages cut up into it, or, my favourite with Stovies is tinned corn beef, either mixed in or served along with the Stovies. Also liberal lashings of Mushroom Ketchup over the top of the Stovies. Yum Yum. Regards, Ian R. Millar Ettrick Graphics ian@ettrickgraphics.com www.ettrickgraphics.com (Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McD" <helenmcd20@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Haggis > OH stop it please - I rememebr the rolls as well and other 'delicacies' - > sour plums and - oh bother forgotten what its called - big concoction made > in a pan, not much of clue really - not a casserole. Damn - memory is > flagging - used to enjoy these lovely treat when visiting in either the > Loch Lomond area or over in the 'Kingdom' - it is all bringing on a fit of > nostalgia for my Scots friends and their wonderful warmth and hospitality > and the celebrations at New Year - well!! > > Wot an enterprising thing to do with haggis too... > > > > > > From: "JOHN STEVENSON" <johndee.ships@btinternet.com> > Reply-To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Haggis > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:09:48 +0100 > > Good evening , > Spot on Ian and Helen. > It's all a matter of taste - we had one for tea on Tuesday , scrummy !! > Back in the late 1970's I worked for a spell in Leicester and travelled > home every second weekend for a break > As well as dirty washing etc there were orders from the ladies in the > office for twelve "Plain" loaves and six large haggis. > One enterprising lady used to open up the haggis and make haggisburgers. > She then would go to the "Scotch Roll Shop" near Filbert Street football > ground and buy rolls, as opposed to english cob's, and put her burgers on > the rolls !!! > Whatever turns you on , as they say ! > Regards. > John. > > John D.Stevenson, > Pleasant autumn day, 14C > Edinburgh. > johndee.ships@btinternet.com > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > Roxburghshire: Home of Hermitage Castle and the Liddesdale 'limmers' > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ARE you a Crosier or Crozier, or connected to one of them, then why not > try Crosier-L@rootsweb.com Surely it's got to be worth a try? > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

OOOOH, YUK LETS GET OF THE SUBJECT OF HAGGIS, PLEEAASSE. Beth northern NSW

Yes, yes , yes - Ian !!! That would have bugged me for days, thank you - I've had some memorable stovies - including the corned beef one... very scrummy From: "Ian Millar" <ian@ettrickgraphics.com> Reply-To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ROX] Haggis etc Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:51:31 +0100 Helen, The concoction made in a pan, could this be Stovies? Loads of potatoes and onion's boiled away to a mash in a beef stock, served with either sausages cut up into it, or, my favourite with Stovies is tinned corn beef, either mixed in or served along with the Stovies. Also liberal lashings of Mushroom Ketchup over the top of the Stovies. Yum Yum. Regards, Ian R. Millar Ettrick Graphics ian@ettrickgraphics.com www.ettrickgraphics.com (Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive) ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== If you're interested in the Border area have you considered joining our 'sister-list' SCT-BERWICK ? ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

OH stop it please - I rememebr the rolls as well and other 'delicacies' - sour plums and - oh bother forgotten what its called - big concoction made in a pan, not much of clue really - not a casserole. Damn - memory is flagging - used to enjoy these lovely treat when visiting in either the Loch Lomond area or over in the 'Kingdom' - it is all bringing on a fit of nostalgia for my Scots friends and their wonderful warmth and hospitality and the celebrations at New Year - well!! Wot an enterprising thing to do with haggis too... From: "JOHN STEVENSON" <johndee.ships@btinternet.com> Reply-To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Haggis Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:09:48 +0100 Good evening , Spot on Ian and Helen. It's all a matter of taste - we had one for tea on Tuesday , scrummy !! Back in the late 1970's I worked for a spell in Leicester and travelled home every second weekend for a break As well as dirty washing etc there were orders from the ladies in the office for twelve "Plain" loaves and six large haggis. One enterprising lady used to open up the haggis and make haggisburgers. She then would go to the "Scotch Roll Shop" near Filbert Street football ground and buy rolls, as opposed to english cob's, and put her burgers on the rolls !!! Whatever turns you on , as they say ! Regards. John. John D.Stevenson, Pleasant autumn day, 14C Edinburgh. johndee.ships@btinternet.com ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== Roxburghshire: Home of Hermitage Castle and the Liddesdale 'limmers' ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Good evening , Spot on Ian and Helen. It's all a matter of taste - we had one for tea on Tuesday , scrummy !! Back in the late 1970's I worked for a spell in Leicester and travelled home every second weekend for a break As well as dirty washing etc there were orders from the ladies in the office for twelve "Plain" loaves and six large haggis. One enterprising lady used to open up the haggis and make haggisburgers. She then would go to the "Scotch Roll Shop" near Filbert Street football ground and buy rolls, as opposed to english cob's, and put her burgers on the rolls !!! Whatever turns you on , as they say ! Regards. John. John D.Stevenson, Pleasant autumn day, 14C Edinburgh. johndee.ships@btinternet.com

I agree with Ian - its a very tasty meal and haggis is rather like a peppery mince (personal opinion) very filling and sustaining - super winter meal and I am not even Scottish! It is all a matter of taste however as I know people who LIKE tripe!! I am with Ian on that too.... From: "Ian Millar" <ian@ettrickgraphics.com> Reply-To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ROX] Haggis Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:52:01 +0100 Hi all, I felt I have to comment on this thread re Haggis. Haggis, tatties and neeps (Potatoes and Turnip or Swede) is one of the tastiest things you will ever eat. Forget all this nonsense about lungs, sheep's innards and stomachs and oesophagus's. I get my Haggis in Hawick in Roxburghshire from Mr Lindsay Grieve the butcher, on the High Street, he makes a 'Champion Haggis' and has won various awards for his Haggis recipe. I have watched him make it and there are no oesophagus hanging out of the pan, or sheep's lungs, (and you can get it in a 'natural' bag or a synthetic one, the choice is yours) maybe they did that in the olden days, but they certainly don't do it now! I would be the first person to go yuck at the thought of Haggis (I couldn't put Tripe near my mouth for instance) but when a portion of Haggis, Tatties and Neeps is laid before you on a cold Scottish winters night, it goes down an absolute treat. I'm sure Mr Lindsay Grieve sends his Haggis abroad, try googling his name, order one, try it, then come back here and tell me it wasn't absolutely beautiful - and I'll eat my hat!!! PS I have added a lot of 'new' old Scottish Border town photos to the Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive, check them out at www.ettrickgraphics.com Click on the OSBPA button on the main menu page. Regards, Ian R. Millar Ettrick Graphics ian@ettrickgraphics.com www.ettrickgraphics.com (Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive) ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== Please send all your messages via the list so that we can all benefit from your knowledge and hopefully add to it. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi all, I felt I have to comment on this thread re Haggis. Haggis, tatties and neeps (Potatoes and Turnip or Swede) is one of the tastiest things you will ever eat. Forget all this nonsense about lungs, sheep's innards and stomachs and oesophagus's. I get my Haggis in Hawick in Roxburghshire from Mr Lindsay Grieve the butcher, on the High Street, he makes a 'Champion Haggis' and has won various awards for his Haggis recipe. I have watched him make it and there are no oesophagus hanging out of the pan, or sheep's lungs, (and you can get it in a 'natural' bag or a synthetic one, the choice is yours) maybe they did that in the olden days, but they certainly don't do it now! I would be the first person to go yuck at the thought of Haggis (I couldn't put Tripe near my mouth for instance) but when a portion of Haggis, Tatties and Neeps is laid before you on a cold Scottish winters night, it goes down an absolute treat. I'm sure Mr Lindsay Grieve sends his Haggis abroad, try googling his name, order one, try it, then come back here and tell me it wasn't absolutely beautiful - and I'll eat my hat!!! PS I have added a lot of 'new' old Scottish Border town photos to the Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive, check them out at www.ettrickgraphics.com Click on the OSBPA button on the main menu page. Regards, Ian R. Millar Ettrick Graphics ian@ettrickgraphics.com www.ettrickgraphics.com (Old Scottish Borders Photo Archive)

Hi Judy, As you may know or you may not know your John Robson came from Cumberland. Do you know where he got married. John Murray

Nicky I do not know where you live in Australia but we have in Melbourne the "English Butcher" who makes a very wide range of Scottish meat products. He has a variety of haggis and when my wife and I attend any Ceilidh with have a haggis from this butcher and they are great. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicky Young <eddlerose2000@yahoo.com.au> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis > Hi > I know this is really nothing to do with research, but I am a Scot and have been a resident in Australia, for many years. Haggis is YUM in Scotland, but yuck here in Australia, they do not use the proper oatmeal, and it is very greasy etc etc, > I was over in Scotland on holiday last year, and the haggis still tasted great over there. > so I will content myself with not eating any over here!! > regards > Nicky Y > > > > --------------------------------- > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > The ROXBURGH NAMES list is updated every three months and all members recieve approx two weeks notice of each update. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Kathy Found this on BVR!! - checked for children and wife but nothing seahawk Bay of Islands NZ HORSEMAN, John Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 26 Nov 1769 Christening Date: 17 Dec 1769 Recorded in: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Collection: Canongate Father: Robert HORSEMAN Mother: Mary HOREMAN Source: FHL Film 1067742 Dates: 1755 - 1820

BLACK - Wilton - 1700s/1800s - carolyn.nordin@shaw.ca Carolyn NORDIN LIDDEL - Howick - 1700s/1800s - carolyn.nordin@shaw.ca Carolyn NORDIN SCOTT Wilton - to mid 1800s - carolyn.nordin@shaw.ca Carolyn NORDIN TURNBULL Ashkirk? to Wilton - 1744-1836 - carolyn.nordin@shaw.ca Carolyn NORDIN

Um...you might regret that Betty. ;-) Its basically various sheep's innards, mixed with some kind of grain filler (think its oatmeal but might be barley) and possibly a bit of onion and then stitched up in a sheeps stomach. A fairly offal recipe, ha ha. Personally, I prefer the veggie version! Judy ---------- >From: "Betty Cutler" <cutler@wightman.ca> >To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis >Date: 27, Wed Oct, 2004, 12:43 pm > > With all this talk of Haggis I wonder if someone could post the recipe > please. > Thank you. > > Betty in Ontario, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland and Alison deCaen" <decaenr@shaw.ca> > To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis > > >> You should be in Calgary. Our Scottish butcher does a great Haggis - I > think >> with a little adjustment ! >> Alison >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nicky Young" <eddlerose2000@yahoo.com.au> >> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:00 PM >> Subject: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis >> >> >> > Hi >> > I know this is really nothing to do with research, but I am a Scot and >> have been a resident in Australia, for many years. Haggis is YUM in >> Scotland, but yuck here in Australia, they do not use the proper oatmeal, >> and it is very greasy etc etc, >> > I was over in Scotland on holiday last year, and the haggis still tasted >> great over there. >> > so I will content myself with not eating any over here!! >> > regards >> > Nicky Y >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. >> > >> > >> > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== >> > The ROXBURGH NAMES list is updated every three months and all members >> recieve approx two weeks notice of each update. >> > >> > ============================== >> > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== >> Help us to improve this list by asking all your Roxburgh friends to > subscribe to 'SCT-ROXBURGH' >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ARE you a Crosier or Crozier, or connected to one of them, then why not try > Crosier-L@rootsweb.com Surely it's got to be worth a try? > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Andrea, As a reader of the Roxburgh list, I noticed your reference to the name AMOS in Hobkirk parish. I have recently been working on a line in that area and think that John Taylor who married Betty Amos 21 Apr 1771 at Hobkirk (IGI info) may be the grandparents of my 2 x great grandmother Margaret Taylor, who came to Canada in 1853 with her husband John Paterson, from Hobkirk parish. If you have a Betty AMOS married to John Taylor in 1771 in your research, I would be happy to know more about Betty AMOS, and to share what I have on the Taylors in Hobkirk area. Thanks. Katherine Vair Paterson Toronto, Canada

Armstrong/Tait, Yetholm, Kelso, Roxburgh 1830 - 1865 ewan.armstrong@sth.nhs.uk Ewan Armstrong Sheffield UK

Yes, it is one thing to eat it and another thing to make it. I have a recipe at home (meant to bring it today, but forgot). It includes a caution to make sure that, as you boil the lung, you make sure the oesophagus hangs out of the pot. I guess otherwise the lung might explode. After seeing an oesophagus draped over the stove, I thnk it might put some people off. Just find a specialty meat shop and buy it there. I imagine the local Scottish or kilt shop owner would be able to give you a referral. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <Copywriter@tesco.net> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis > Um...you might regret that Betty. ;-) Its basically various sheep's innards, > mixed with some kind of grain filler (think its oatmeal but might be barley) > and possibly a bit of onion and then stitched up in a sheeps stomach. > > A fairly offal recipe, ha ha. > > > Personally, I prefer the veggie version! > > > Judy > > > > ---------- > >From: "Betty Cutler" <cutler@wightman.ca> > >To: SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis > >Date: 27, Wed Oct, 2004, 12:43 pm > > > > > With all this talk of Haggis I wonder if someone could post the recipe > > please. > > Thank you. > > > > Betty in Ontario, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland and Alison deCaen" <decaenr@shaw.ca> > > To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis > > > > > >> You should be in Calgary. Our Scottish butcher does a great Haggis - I > > think > >> with a little adjustment ! > >> Alison > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Nicky Young" <eddlerose2000@yahoo.com.au> > >> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:00 PM > >> Subject: [SCT-ROX] Re Haggis > >> > >> > >> > Hi > >> > I know this is really nothing to do with research, but I am a Scot and > >> have been a resident in Australia, for many years. Haggis is YUM in > >> Scotland, but yuck here in Australia, they do not use the proper oatmeal, > >> and it is very greasy etc etc, > >> > I was over in Scotland on holiday last year, and the haggis still tasted > >> great over there. > >> > so I will content myself with not eating any over here!! > >> > regards > >> > Nicky Y > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------- > >> > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > >> > The ROXBURGH NAMES list is updated every three months and all members > >> recieve approx two weeks notice of each update. > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > >> Help us to improve this list by asking all your Roxburgh friends to > > subscribe to 'SCT-ROXBURGH' > >> > >> ============================== > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > > ARE you a Crosier or Crozier, or connected to one of them, then why not try > > Crosier-L@rootsweb.com Surely it's got to be worth a try? > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Elliot in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ELLIOT list at CLAN-ELLIOT-L@rootsweb.com Why not give it a try? > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Paterson/Patterson, Turnbull, shields 1860 - 1900 pjhawk@cablespeed.com Pam Hawkins

Hi Judy, I have been though all of my record to see if i can help you on you John Robson. This is the only information I have been able to find out for you. John Robson Born 21st October 1797 Castleton Parish. Father Adam Robson. Mother Mary Pott This John went to Canada. John Robson B 25th September 1798. Father Peter Robson. Helen Halliburton. This John died in 1831. In have been though the 1841/51/81 Census. No John Robson that fits your John Robson age. If you can find out the maiden name of John wife i may be able to help you. John Murray.

John Yes his name was George Gibson a cooper. They were married in Leith Dec 1889, he is mentioned as father on his sons birth in 1895 in Jedburgh. Havn't found them in the 1891 census or 1901 as GRO is out of action :( Marion >Just we can brainstorm, do you have an idea what the name of the deceased husband/father was?< --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 22/10/2004

Hello John I have the birth entry, and it doesn't mention the father in the father's details, only after the mothers name giving a name and date of marriage. The birth entry has illegitimate crossed, and a year later the mother is re married, and states widow. Yet I cannot find a death for him on the GRO. >Good evening Marion, In post 1855 certificates the father although deceased is normally given . I have four relatives, all trawlermen, who were drowned prior to a birth and were shown simply as "deceased " . One then has to check death certificate to find date and cause of death. One death date was only found by checking the Poor Law records. These showed his wife asking for funds to feed her child due to her husband's death prior to the childs birth. In pre 1855 OPR births some parishes show "deceased" others give "lawful child of " giving both parents names. It is only possible to check back after finding the father's death.to confirm he was dead before the birth. Regards. John.< --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 22/10/2004