Hi there. > > Sorry for the delay. Here are your results: > Henderson [email protected] Margaret Jenkin Henderson [email protected] John Murray Aitken [email protected] John Murray Regards Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:27 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] ROXBURGH NAMES REQUEST > AITKEN > HENDERSON > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Armstrong in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ARMSTRONG list at [email protected] Why not give it a try?? > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi John and all, First of all, I would be happy to receive any corrections to my transcriptions and indexes, as I would wish them to be as accurate as possible. However, the name Kedzie does appear on the original record, and I can see why that would appear at first glance to be an error. However, Kedzie is a common older spelling of the name Keddie, and in those days different spellings of surnames can be found for the same family in different records. The same use of the letter "z" is found in other Scottish surnames, such as Dalziel. However, even if the original spelling is possibly an error, I always strive to transcribe the original spellings exactly. Thank you, Graham Maxwell

Hi All. I am in the middle of doing a family of Donald's from Castleton Parish, Roxburgh, now Newcastleton. One of the children is Mary Donald born 1826 Castleton Parish, daughter of John Donald & Margaret Scott. In the 1851 Census for Jedburgh I find Mary Donald Age 24 Married living in 'Hunthill' Jedburgh with her husband William Kedezie Head age 32 Ag/Lab Born Carling, Roxburgh, Book 10 Page 3. Unfortunate the name is wrong his name is William Kedie/Keddie not Kedzie. William Kedie/Keddie/Mary Donald Married 26th January 1850 Castleton Parish. By the way if ant body is researching this family they also married into the Barrie side Lillico side and Adamson side. John Murray

Peter Gray married 10 June 1770 in Kirktown, Roxburgh, Agnes Bleakie or Aitkin (not sure which is her maiden name). This info according to IGI Batch No. M117942. The LDS film (FHL BRITISH Film 1067935) of the Church of Scotland, Parish Church of Hawick, shows baptism entries for Peter & Agnes Gray's children as follows: Peter Gray, laborer, and wife, Agnes Aitkin, parents to James, c. 5 Apr 1775. Peter Gray, weaver, and wife Agnes, parents to Janet, c. 18 Dec 1777. Peter Gray, and wife Agnes, parents to Walter and Gilbert, c. 8 Mar 1780. These three events were entered the same year, 1780, and no entry in between. Probably taken from notes or another ledger. The hand writing, is by the same person. For the year 1782, there is the following entry: Peter Gray, webster, and his wife, Agnes Bleakie, parents to Walter, c. 25 Aug 1782. Again, probably taken from notes or a ledger, and in the same hand writing as the 1780 entries. In all the above-mentioned Peter Gray entries, the witnesses were the same: "Associate Congregation". Many entries on this film show "Whole Congregation", or individual names, but Peter Gray's are unique. There are also the following burial records on the same Parish Church of Hawick film: 8 Aug 1806, Agnes Bleakie, spouse of Peter Grey 22 Dec 1810, Janet Grey, dau of Gilbert Gray. I would be most interested in hearing from anyone who is researching this family and/or knows anything about them (or thinks they might be connected in some way). Ruth Sanders

Sorry all, I should have put more info on line. Have that many papers scattered around, my brain has decided to do the same. Ok, notes say John died before 1861. buried Bowden Cemetery. From family book, " At some stage of their lives(John and Margaret) this family made the move from Wauchope to Clarilaw near Lillieleaf where John is said to have been a shepherd for many years. Later there was another move to a farm called Berryhill somewhere in Bowden and Melrose areas and with it came a change of status. The 1851 Census return tells us that John was a farmer of 20 acress aged 72yrs and his place of birth Hobkirk. Margaret is stated as being the same age with place of birth Cavers, while their son Turnbull aged 26 was listed as a farmers son, his place of birth not readable. (1881 Census has Turnbulls place of birth as Bowden). The 1861 Census shows some changes in ten years. The farm has grown to 38 acres and Margaret lived there with her son Turnbull, his wife Helen and two young children, Margaret and John as well as a servant. This leads to the fact that John had died during this time and Margaret some time later, though I have no real proof. It is claimed that John and his wife and menbers of their family are buried in the Bowden churchyard and the farm Berryhill was close to Abbotdford." Notes taken from "The Ancient History of the Ryedales" John Riddell was the son of a shepherd, who for about 50 years kept sheep at Wauchope, about 12 miles south of Hawick and near the English border. Ok, thanks for the hint on the 1841 Census Judy, will try our local LDS and see if they have a copy. Val Riddell. Australia.

Hi Roy, In what parish would I be likely to find burials for Bowden Cemetery. Several Riddells buried there. Val Riddell. Australia.

Hi Barbara, Thanks for that bit of info. I have had a bit of luck today, - a Jared Riddell from Canada has send me info on John and Margarets children of Wauchope. At the time John worked in the area he worked for a Mr Scott. Someone else put up a web site - I believe it was on the Rox list for favorites to visit. Got in there and found info on Hobkirk 1791-99 and 1845, and there is a bit of info on Bonchester Bridge as well. Many thanks, am enjoying the exchange about places in Roxburgh. Val Riddell. Australia.

Hi Roy Where are the burial records for Rox kept ? (the equivalent for Duns in Bew ) Tom Anderson

AITKEN HENDERSON

Hi Val, I have a Catherine RIDDELL in my family who married Alexander SCOTT on 17. 5.1848 in Hawick. According to the 1951 census she was 24 and born in Hawick (born 1826/7) but I've no other information on her and wonder if you have any information on her. I haven't been able to trace a birth for her in Roxburgh so far. In 1851 they had 2 children, Margaret 3 and Robert 1, but these 2 children have disappeared before I find them next in Newcastle upon Tyne, England, in 1871, when they have 4 other children, Hendry, James, Robert Alexander (my g-grandfather) and George W, the latter 3 being born in England. The 1851 census also shows Alexander's father, Robert, as being a Farm Steward. Look forward to hearing from you. Pat Newcastle.

Hang on, did this John die in Scotland? If he made it to 1855 then his death cert should give his parents details. And if his father lived long enough to work in the same place for 50 years he might have survived long enough to get into the 1841 census. Just some thoughts. Judy ---------- >From: "velma yvonne riddell" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCT-ROX] RIDDELL of WAUCHOPE/HOBKIRK. >Date: 19, Tue Aug, 2003, 11:06 pm > > John Riddell.b.1779.Hobkirk,(1851 Census.72yrs)

Am trying to find info that would put me on the right track to finding John Riddells father. According to a family book, info taken from "History of the Ancient Ryedales", Johns father worked in the Wauchope area for 50 years, but no name given.From the Scottish naming pattern I am assuming his name was Walter. There is a likely match using the British Vital Records, LDS source numbers C117902 and information from Hugh Wallis' site. What I have on this Riddell family, John Riddell.b.1779.Hobkirk,(1851 Census.72yrs) m.poss. 1799.?- Margaret Turnbull. b.1777.Denholm, Cavers(d/o James). Walter. b. 14 Dec.1800.Wauchope. ch. 7 Jan 1801 Hobkirk. Margaret. b. 26 Sept.1802. Wauchope. ch. 12 Oct.1802 Hobkirk. James. b. 14 Nov.1804. Wauchope. ch.28 Dec 1804. Hobkirk. d. 15 Feb 1892. m. 29 Jun 1827.Jane Goodall(d/o Andrew and Janet Donaldson) b. 1805. d. 9 Aug.1869 Blackadder.formerly of Girrick. (six sons of this line went to NZ between 1859-1864)-have info on these lines/certs. Robert. b. 1 Mar.1807.Wauchope. ch.15 Mar 1807. Hobkirk. William. b. 24 Sept.1809. Wauchope. ch. 1809. Hobkirk. John. b. 27 Mar.1812. Wauchope. ch. 8 May.1812. Hobkirk. d. 9 Nov. 1876. Galashiels.(poss marriages.-Agnes Scott/Margaret Grieves) Betty. b. 22 May.1814. Wauchope. ch. 12 Jun 1814. Hobkirk. Jane. b. 27 May. 1817. Wauchope. ch. 27may 1817 Hobkirk. Turnbull. b.1822. Bowden. m. abt. 1859. Helen Clarkson.b. 1836. Melrose. Any help or thoughts appreciated. Now off to the LDS to see what I can find there. TIA, Val Riddell. Australia.

Bonchester Bridge is a few miles outside Hawick in Roxburghshire. Hobkirk is close by. Don't know anything about the Glendonwyns but can try and find out more about Wauchope for you if you want. I live in Lilliesleaf nr Melrose in Roxburghshire. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georganne Clendenin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ROX] WAUCHOPE > Where is Bonchester Bridge? Wauchope lands once belonged to the Glendonwyns by marriage of Adam Glendonwyn to the female heir as there were no sons. Am I referring to this same area? > Georganne Clendenin > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > AUGUST THEME: Is 'USEFUL WEBSITES', which includes all websites you have found useful in yourgenealogical or local history research. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks for responding-I thought that Wauchope was near Langholm-near Eskedale Muir-the Glendonwyns/Clendenin now lived near there I think-also close to Castle Douglas of which they were (are) a sept by marriage. I was wrong about Adam though-it was several generations later- a Simon married Margaret de Wauchope. Georganne

Val, My husband informs me that Wauchope is now an outdoor centre near Bonchester Bridge Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "velma yvonne riddell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] WAUCHOPE > Hi Listers, > Can anyone tell me whether Waughope is a village or as I suspect a farm. Our John Riddell worked as a farm servant for a Mr. Scott in the early 1800. All the children of John and Margaret's were born there, but christened in Hobkirk. > TIA > Val Riddell. > Australia. > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Elliot in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ELLIOT list at [email protected] Why not give it a try? > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Alex. Can I get back to you. Need to reread family genealogy book, written by descendant. Plus have numerous notes on nearly every Riddle/Riddell's I think somehow link, that I extracted off the LDS site, matching the source numbers and Hugh Wallis site. So am actually stabbing in the dark to find John's parents, hence the Scottish naming pattern- !st son named after the fathers father. Our John, b. abt 1773. Hobkirk married Margaret Turnbull abt 1799. poss. Denholm, -have not found record yet. Their 1st son was Walter. b. 1800 Wauchope. ch. Hobkirk, which leads me to think this is the name of Johns father. An extract in the family book taken I believe from the book "The History of the Ancient Rydales" said ' John Riddell who in his eariler years was a shepherd or servant at Wauchope. John according to this source was the son of a shepherd who was said to have worked at Wauchope for 50years, but no names were given. I have noticed that someone gave me info, that they had extracted from somewhere and the name Wigg or Wig??? was written. Will start searching and get back to you. Val Riddell. Australia.

Where is Bonchester Bridge? Wauchope lands once belonged to the Glendonwyns by marriage of Adam Glendonwyn to the female heir as there were no sons. Am I referring to this same area? Georganne Clendenin

Hi Listers, Can anyone tell me whether Waughope is a village or as I suspect a farm. Our John Riddell worked as a farm servant for a Mr. Scott in the early 1800. All the children of John and Margaret's were born there, but christened in Hobkirk. TIA Val Riddell. Australia.

Please add the following names to the ROXBURGH NAMES REQUEST. BALLANTYNE [email protected] Andrew M Shannon CROZIER [email protected] Andrew M Shannon MURRAY [email protected] Andrew M Shannon SCOTT [email protected] Andrew M Shannon SHANNON [email protected] Andrew M Shannon Looking forward to any contacts. Regards Andrew

Hi Velma I have a John Riddell born 1778 in Hawick but whose father Walter lived at Wigg near to Wauchope My John had one brother and five sisters Wauchope I believe was a small setlement of houses for farm labour ie tied houses this may not be the case now Hope there is a connection Regards Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "velma yvonne riddell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: [SCT-ROX] WAUCHOPE > Hi Listers, > Can anyone tell me whether Waughope is a village or as I suspect a farm. Our John Riddell worked as a farm servant for a Mr. Scott in the early 1800. All the children of John and Margaret's were born there, but christened in Hobkirk. > TIA > Val Riddell. > Australia. > > > ==== SCT-ROXBURGH Mailing List ==== > ATTENTION those of you with Elliot in your line!!! Have you thought of trying the CLAN-ELLIOT list at [email protected] Why not give it a try? > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >