I have been a member of this list for some time and have always found everyone to have the same goal which is to seek Scottish ancestors in a professional, courteous way. It has been pointed out that many locations share dual identies. For example, individuals from Ulm, Germany who emigrated to the U.S. called their settlement in Minnesota, New Ulm, and even today, old German traditions still exist. An example of Scottish identity is Macalester College in St. Paul, Minnesota, which holds an annual Scottish Fest and includes a bag pipe competition. It is well-attended, as are Scottish fests all across the U.S. and Canada, since North Americans are also very proud of their Scottish heritage. Sociology teaches us not to stereotype. For example, if one says they don't know a great deal about Scots who emigrated to North America yet stereotypes them as being after "easy money," upon what is this hypothesis based? In actuality, in the 1700's and 1800's, great numbers of brave, adventurous, pioneer Scots risked their lives at sea by emigrating not only to the New World, but to the West Indies as well. Greenock also has an interesting interlocking history to the Caribbean, and my ancestors who were born in Greenock owned property in Jamaica. At one time or another, large numbers of Scots were transported to the islands as political or captured war prisoners. Additionally, the fateful Darien expedition also brought Scots in a round-about way to the New World. Scots who remained loyal to the Crown in the Revolutionary War found property and possessions confiscated. Labeled "Loyalists," they also became residents of the Caribbean Islands as one of the places of refuge offered to them. Many went to Canada. An enlightening book, "Sojourners in the Sun" by Alan L. Karras, relates to Scottish migration to Jamaica, the other Caribbean islands, and to the New World from 1740-1800. Karras tells of tobacco connections whereby Scots grew crops in the Carolinas and Virginia which they shipped to dealers in Glasgow, Leith, and Edinburgh. Scots, along with their English counterparts, also grew sugarcane and various spices in the islands for shipment to Scotland along with puncheons of rum. Additionally, the Shetlander economy was enhanced at the time by their shipping of dried saltfish to countrymen in the islands. In addition to economic reasons, many young Scots left home because of the rule where family estates and monies were left to firstborn sons, and younger brothers were forced to seek their fortune elsewhere. Therefore, life was only easy for the firstborn son. Another great source of information regarding Scottish migration are the books of David Dobson, a Scot, who has a web site at which the titles of his books are listed. Dobson has spent a great deal of time compiling lists of Scots who went abroad from old newspapers, books, and other sources in Scotland. Two of his books are entitled, "The Original Scots Colonists of Early America, Caribbean Supplement 1611-1707" and "Scots in the West Indies 1707-1857." Dobson also has written a book about Scottish migration to Australia along with lists of people who emigrated. Many people do not realize when they reach a brick wall there are other avenues to pursue, for example, the islands as mentioned above. I hope this helps Janelle understand that Americans don't really have closed minds. If we did, we certainly wouldn't want to expand our knowledge by learning more about our elusive ancestors. Joyce Falink Cannon Falls, Minnesota

and everybody forgot about the apple okay lets get back to genealogy my gr. gr. grandfather came from alvie, scotland charles mcintosh was his name and married to marjory forbes my gr grand fathers name was charles mcintoshborn aug 2, 1833 married janet mcpherson my grandfather was charles mcintosh married to ida belle corrigan if anyone from alvie, scotland is out there, please drop me a line. i was the first girl in 71 years. maggie mpeters@xcelco.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Falink" <jfalink@rconnect.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:22 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Greenock Cemetery Comment > > I have been a member of this list for some time and have always found > everyone to have the same goal which is to seek Scottish ancestors in a > professional, courteous way. > > It has been pointed out that many locations share dual identies. For > example, individuals from Ulm, Germany who emigrated to the U.S. called > their settlement in Minnesota, New Ulm, and even today, old German > traditions still exist. An example of Scottish identity is Macalester > College in St. Paul, Minnesota, which holds an annual Scottish Fest and > includes a bag pipe competition. It is well-attended, as are Scottish > fests all across the U.S. and Canada, since North Americans are also > very proud of their Scottish heritage. > > Sociology teaches us not to stereotype. For example, if one says they > don't know a great deal about Scots who emigrated to North America yet > stereotypes them as being after "easy money," upon what is this > hypothesis based? In actuality, in the 1700's and 1800's, great numbers > of brave, adventurous, pioneer Scots risked their lives at sea by > emigrating not only to the New World, but to the West Indies as well. > Greenock also has an interesting interlocking history to the Caribbean, > and my ancestors who were born in Greenock owned property in Jamaica. > > At one time or another, large numbers of Scots were transported to the > islands as political or captured war prisoners. Additionally, the > fateful Darien expedition also brought Scots in a round-about way to the > New World. Scots who remained loyal to the Crown in the Revolutionary > War found property and possessions confiscated. Labeled "Loyalists," > they also became residents of the Caribbean Islands as one of the places > of refuge offered to them. Many went to Canada. > > An enlightening book, "Sojourners in the Sun" by Alan L. Karras, relates > to Scottish migration to Jamaica, the other Caribbean islands, and to > the New World from 1740-1800. Karras tells of tobacco connections > whereby Scots grew crops in the Carolinas and Virginia which they > shipped to dealers in Glasgow, Leith, and Edinburgh. Scots, along with > their English counterparts, also grew sugarcane and various spices in > the islands for shipment to Scotland along with puncheons of rum. > Additionally, the Shetlander economy was enhanced at the time by their > shipping of dried saltfish to countrymen in the islands. > > In addition to economic reasons, many young Scots left home because of > the rule where family estates and monies were left to firstborn sons, > and younger brothers were forced to seek their fortune elsewhere. > Therefore, life was only easy for the firstborn son. > > Another great source of information regarding Scottish migration are > the books of David Dobson, a Scot, who has a web site at which > the titles of his books are listed. Dobson has spent a great deal of > time compiling lists of Scots who went abroad from old newspapers, > books, and other sources in Scotland. Two of his books are entitled, > "The Original Scots Colonists of Early America, Caribbean Supplement > 1611-1707" and "Scots in the West Indies 1707-1857." Dobson > also has written a book about Scottish migration to Australia along with > lists of people who emigrated. Many people do not realize when they > reach a brick wall there are other avenues to pursue, for example, the > islands as mentioned above. > > I hope this helps Janelle understand that Americans don't really have > closed minds. If we did, we certainly wouldn't want to expand our > knowledge by learning more about our elusive ancestors. > > Joyce Falink > Cannon Falls, Minnesota > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm >

Thanks for your very informative email, Joyce. April