1851 Scottish census - I searched on Robert Templeton, Renfrewshire. Only 1 came up in Mearns, age 20, lodger at 34 Glen Street, occupation - block printer. This might be their son who was 10 in the 1841 census. When I search for Sarah or Flora in Renfrewshire, no match. Just doing a quick look, it would seem that the family disappeared from Renfrewshire, with the possible exception of the son. Diane "There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." - Madeleine K. Albright, Former Secretary of State and Ambassador to the U.N. -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MARC ARCHER Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:13 PM To: SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 census Templeton Hello,      I'm new to the list.  I'm tracing the Robert Templeton family, Robert Templeton who m. Sarah Young in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire in 1828.  I believe I found them on the 1841 census in Mearns, Renfrewshire through the freecen.rootsweb.com.  I wasn't able to find Renfrewshire for 1851 census, and requesting information about the 1851 census.  Has it been transcribed?  How is it available?  I tried to look in the archives, but nearly a million (it seemed) hits showed.  Below is the family on the 1841 census.  Thanks for any help.   Best,   Marc Archer Lake Odessa, MI USA   Piece: SCT1841/571 Place: Mearns -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 7 Civil Parish: Mearns Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 8 Page: 6 Address: Newton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----     Surname   First name(s)   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks       TEMPLETON   Robert   M   30   Calico Print Cutter Journeyman    Unknown         Page: 8/7   TEMPLETON   Sarah   F   30       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Mary   F   12       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Robert   M   10       Renfrewshire            TEMPLETON   Thos   M   7       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Margaret   F   3       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Flora   F   1       Outside Census County (1841)       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marc, the only 2 ways I know of to look at the Scottish census records is on Ancestry (no images, data only) or on ScotlandsPeople (have to pay to see search results and have to pay to see images). Someone else from the list might know of other resources. Diane in Texas "There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women." - Madeleine K. Albright, Former Secretary of State and Ambassador to the U.N. -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MARC ARCHER Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:13 PM To: SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 census Templeton Hello,      I'm new to the list.  I'm tracing the Robert Templeton family, Robert Templeton who m. Sarah Young in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire in 1828.  I believe I found them on the 1841 census in Mearns, Renfrewshire through the freecen.rootsweb.com.  I wasn't able to find Renfrewshire for 1851 census, and requesting information about the 1851 census.  Has it been transcribed?  How is it available?  I tried to look in the archives, but nearly a million (it seemed) hits showed.  Below is the family on the 1841 census.  Thanks for any help.   Best,   Marc Archer Lake Odessa, MI USA   Piece: SCT1841/571 Place: Mearns -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 7 Civil Parish: Mearns Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 8 Page: 6 Address: Newton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----     Surname   First name(s)   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks       TEMPLETON   Robert   M   30   Calico Print Cutter Journeyman    Unknown         Page: 8/7   TEMPLETON   Sarah   F   30       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Mary   F   12       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Robert   M   10       Renfrewshire            TEMPLETON   Thos   M   7       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Margaret   F   3       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Flora   F   1       Outside Census County (1841)       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello,      I'm new to the list.  I'm tracing the Robert Templeton family, Robert Templeton who m. Sarah Young in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire in 1828.  I believe I found them on the 1841 census in Mearns, Renfrewshire through the freecen.rootsweb.com.  I wasn't able to find Renfrewshire for 1851 census, and requesting information about the 1851 census.  Has it been transcribed?  How is it available?  I tried to look in the archives, but nearly a million (it seemed) hits showed.  Below is the family on the 1841 census.  Thanks for any help.   Best,   Marc Archer Lake Odessa, MI USA   Piece: SCT1841/571 Place: Mearns -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 7 Civil Parish: Mearns Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 8 Page: 6 Address: Newton --------------------------------------------------------------------------------     Surname   First name(s)   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks       TEMPLETON   Robert   M   30   Calico Print Cutter Journeyman    Unknown         Page: 8/7   TEMPLETON   Sarah   F   30       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Mary   F   12       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Robert   M   10       Renfrewshire            TEMPLETON   Thos   M   7       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Margaret   F   3       Outside Census County (1841)            TEMPLETON   Flora   F   1       Outside Census County (1841)      

I thank you for your explanations. It is indeed a blow to the ear. However I have since discovered that a similar sounding word: a Whitterick is a ferret, a Whitrat (pronounced Whitrit) is a weasel and a Whittock or Whittuik is a swallow in Lalland Scots. I have learned quite a few Scots wurds over the weekend! Best Wishes, Jane in sunny Penicuik

It's not in the Collin's Gem Scots dictionary. Sandy (Tasmania) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Kelly" <jane.kelly2@virgin.net> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] what's a whirrit? >A quick query about the old Scots word W H I R R I T? We know that a Hoolet >is an owl but can anyone enlighten us to the nature of a whirrit or >whirrick? An old gamekeeper in the Scottish Borders has been heard using >the word recently but no-one seems to know what he was talking about. >Thought I would ask some wise Listers. > > Best Wishes, > > Jane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chambers Scots Dictionary spells it "Whirret" and desribes it simply as "a blow" Jim Halsey 2008/10/5 Jane Kelly jane.kelly2@virgin.net wrote > A quick query about the old Scots word W H I R R I T? We know that a Hoolet > is an owl but can anyone enlighten us to the nature of a whirrit or > whirrick? An old gamekeeper in the Scottish Borders has been heard using the > word recently but no-one seems to know what he was talking about. Thought I > would ask some wise Listers. > >

Jane See http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uHLwJhsAezAC&pg=PA625&lpg=PA625&dq=whirrit&source=web&ots=O0_7mKQCFl&sig=nhq78WXhZDAI6L_O6X6xmQrp81Q&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result Maybe not so Scottish. I had a look in my volume of "The Concise Scots Dictionary" published in 1985 by the Aberdeen University Press. This is a distillation of two major works - The Scottish National Dictionary and The Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue - which should be available in Reference Libraries. The word was not in my Concise volume but may be in one of the larger volumes. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Kelly" <jane.kelly2@virgin.net> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] what's a whirrit? >A quick query about the old Scots word W H I R R I T? We know that a Hoolet >is an owl but can anyone enlighten us to the nature of a whirrit or >whirrick? An old gamekeeper in the Scottish Borders has been heard using >the word recently but no-one seems to know what he was talking about. >Thought I would ask some wise Listers. > > Best Wishes, > > Jane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A quick query about the old Scots word W H I R R I T? We know that a Hoolet is an owl but can anyone enlighten us to the nature of a whirrit or whirrick? An old gamekeeper in the Scottish Borders has been heard using the word recently but no-one seems to know what he was talking about. Thought I would ask some wise Listers. Best Wishes, Jane

A Dictionary of Slang and Colloquial English Slang and Its Analogues By John S. Farmer A blow,slap,box of the ear. In a message dated 10/5/2008 5:44:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jane.kelly2@virgin.net writes: A quick query about the old Scots word W H I R R I T? We know that a Hoolet is an owl but can anyone enlighten us to the nature of a whirrit or whirrick? An old gamekeeper in the Scottish Borders has been heard using the word recently but no-one seems to know what he was talking about. Thought I would ask some wise Listers. Best Wishes, Jane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Hello to all on the list , i am seeking any information please concerning Alexander MCLEOD born circa1823 Harris Invernesshire, occupation Queens Porter , who married Mary Ann WALKER in Greenock Renfrewshire 1852 , was living in Greenock when the 1861 census was taken , produced a daughter Mary Ann ( spelt Marion in the 1861 census ) after this the trail goes cold !! Did they emigrate to Canada ?? We believe Mary Ann MCLEOD ( nee WALKER ) was a sister to Ann WALKER who married James MCPHAIL circa 1851 in Greenock and believe they emigrated to Canada Thank you PS What is a Queens Porter please , maybe something to do with railways ??

Hi Brian He may have a more important job than that- according to Google books website: http://books.google.ca/books?id=xj8lAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=%22Queen%27 s+Porter%22&source=web&ots=rFRXsO7E6R&sig=9pxICr3lnb_3xZlCncQPbV7atn8&hl=en& sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result Seems like he was a guard at the Palace or guarding the Queen's property Donna On 29/09/08 3:36 AM, "Brian Johnson" <bjohnson3@vtown.com.au> wrote: > > > > Hello to all on the list , i am seeking any information please concerning > Alexander MCLEOD born circa1823 Harris Invernesshire, occupation Queens Porter > , who married Mary Ann WALKER in Greenock Renfrewshire 1852 , was living in > Greenock when the 1861 census was taken , produced a daughter Mary Ann ( spelt > Marion in the 1861 census ) after this the trail goes cold !! > Did they emigrate to Canada ?? We believe Mary Ann MCLEOD ( nee WALKER ) > was a sister to Ann WALKER who married James MCPHAIL circa 1851 in Greenock > and believe they emigrated to Canada > Thank you > PS What is a Queens Porter please , maybe something to do with railways ?? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did we pass ? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS its always best not to cross post as it can cause problems for admin > test > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Michael: I have checked the Port Glasgow War Memorial and can find no William Ness listed. Although the Royal Marines get a mention, the mercantile marine (Merchant Navy) do not seem to be mentioned anywhere. Could he have been lost at sea, then? Incidentally, the largest numbers of casualties listed come from the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, with Royal Field Artillery and Royal Garrison Artillery close behind. Cameron Highlanders also figure prominently, as do the Kings Own Scottish Borderers, Gordon Highlanders and Royal Scots. Many other units also get a mention, including Highland Light Infantry, Black Watch, Seaforth Highlanders, Scottish Rifles, the Machine Gun Corps, Royal Engineers etc., so information from this source can be no more than a suggestion or an indication of a likelihood. Sorry. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Harris" <isamickey@yahoo.co.uk> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] WWI Regiments > Hi Nivard > It isn't a very common name and I've managed to narrow it down to about 3 > possibilities - hence my question about the regiments (in an attempt to > find the right one). The person in question was my Great Uncle and it > seems that he was probably the last male in the line (unless he was > married and had a son of course). All I knew from my grandmother is that > she had a brother who died in the Great War. His name was William Ness b. > 1891 in Port Glasgow. > Regards > Michael

Thanks much for checking though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Silvester" <margsil@bigpond.net.au> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Carswell Name > Sorry Ruth, I don't have any of these for the moment. > > Good luck, > Margaret > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Ruby" <ruth.ruby@gmail.com> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:50 AM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Carswell Name > > >> HI, I noticed that Margaret Silvester and a John had the name "Carswell" >> in common. I have a Walter Carswell Taylor b. in 1811 who married a >> Catherine Mathie. I'm wondering if either of you have this name in your >> files. It's a long shot but I'd guess that there must have been a >> Carswell >> in the family farther back....or maybe they just had friends with that >> last name and chose it for Walter's middle name. >> >> Ruth in Florida >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Ruth, I don't have any of these for the moment. Good luck, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Ruby" <ruth.ruby@gmail.com> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:50 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Carswell Name > HI, I noticed that Margaret Silvester and a John had the name "Carswell" > in common. I have a Walter Carswell Taylor b. in 1811 who married a > Catherine Mathie. I'm wondering if either of you have this name in your > files. It's a long shot but I'd guess that there must have been a Carswell > in the family farther back....or maybe they just had friends with that > last name and chose it for Walter's middle name. > > Ruth in Florida > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sandy I have LANGMUIRs as well but not that early. This is what I have: James LANGMUIR md Grace Lang LYLE Aug 1869 at Broomlands, Paisley. He was born Mar 1843 at Johnstone, Abbey. Their children were Grace Lang LANGMUIR Sep 1870; Janet LANGMUIR Apr 1872; Margaret 1874; Agnes 1876; Georgina 1885; Williamina 1890. Don't have parents of James LANGMUIR, Grace Lang LYLE's parents were George LYLE and Grace LANG and her ancestors in previous generation were James LANG, Grace JOHNSTON, William LYLE and Margaret POLLOCK. Saving for any unrecorded births that leaves Janet and Agnes as possible mother's to James LANGMUIR. It's possible that a connection will be found here. Does your early tree descend to any of these names? My only data for CRAIGs is Magdeline as earlier listed, but I would love to learn more. Cheers Margaret (Qld) Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "a.stevenson" <alistairandsandy@bigpond.com> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] checking > Hi, I have a Jean CRAIG b. 1762 m. William LANGMUIR m.1788 Paisley. > > Their daughter Margaret LANGMUIR m. John McNABB 1807 > > Their son John McNABB m. Margaret McLaren and all their children were born > at Lochwinnoch. > > Sandy (Tasmania) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Silvester" <margsil@bigpond.net.au> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] checking > > >> Hello John >> >> We've exchanged emails before. I notice you have an Agnes CRAIG. I have >> a >> Magdeline CRAIG md William BARBOUR Dec 1791 in Dalry, Ayr. Their >> children >> were William 1794, Agnes 1796, Mary 1797 and Robert 1800. The children >> were >> all born in Lochwinnoch. I don't know the parents of Magdeline as yet >> and >> wondering if you have any connection that might throw some light on it. >> You >> also mention you have interest in LANG. Refer to my other email reply to >> Glenda. We have CARSWELL in common also but my searching so far has them >> on >> the other coast in the Lothian areas. >> >> You can reply off-list if you prefer. margsil@bigpond.net.au >> >> Cheers >> Margaret Silvester >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael: a Port Glasgow man might have joined the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, which regiment had a very active T.A. unit in neighboring Greenock, although there was possibly a Field Artillery unit in Port Glasgow. There used to be a T.A. hall in Higholm Street in Port Glasgow, so if you can get hold of an old local, he may be able to remember something. Genial Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Harris" <isamickey@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] WWI Regiments > Hi All > > Just joined as I have ancestors from Port Glasgow but I wondered if > anyone could give me a clue as to what regiment a man from Port Glasgow is > likely to have joined in World War I? > > Thanks > > Michael Harris > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have a Jean CRAIG b. 1762 m. William LANGMUIR m.1788 Paisley. Their daughter Margaret LANGMUIR m. John McNABB 1807 Their son John McNABB m. Margaret McLaren and all their children were born at Lochwinnoch. Sandy (Tasmania) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Silvester" <margsil@bigpond.net.au> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] checking > Hello John > > We've exchanged emails before. I notice you have an Agnes CRAIG. I have > a > Magdeline CRAIG md William BARBOUR Dec 1791 in Dalry, Ayr. Their children > were William 1794, Agnes 1796, Mary 1797 and Robert 1800. The children > were > all born in Lochwinnoch. I don't know the parents of Magdeline as yet and > wondering if you have any connection that might throw some light on it. > You > also mention you have interest in LANG. Refer to my other email reply to > Glenda. We have CARSWELL in common also but my searching so far has them > on > the other coast in the Lothian areas. > > You can reply off-list if you prefer. margsil@bigpond.net.au > > Cheers > Margaret Silvester > >

Hello John We've exchanged emails before. I notice you have an Agnes CRAIG. I have a Magdeline CRAIG md William BARBOUR Dec 1791 in Dalry, Ayr. Their children were William 1794, Agnes 1796, Mary 1797 and Robert 1800. The children were all born in Lochwinnoch. I don't know the parents of Magdeline as yet and wondering if you have any connection that might throw some light on it. You also mention you have interest in LANG. Refer to my other email reply to Glenda. We have CARSWELL in common also but my searching so far has them on the other coast in the Lothian areas. You can reply off-list if you prefer. margsil@bigpond.net.au Cheers Margaret Silvester ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Carswell" <jccarswell@clearmail.com.au> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] checking > Hello Glenda, > > All of Scotland is probably watching the USA Tennis > Open. > > My gggg grandmother was Agnes ( Nance) Howie born 1757 to > Rob Howie & Agnes Craig of Langtown farm Mearns Parish Renfrewshire. She > married Allan Carswell in 1778 & had 10 children in the farm Craig of > Neilston Neilston Parish Renfrewshirre. > > Looking forward to hearing whether we have a connection. > > Regards, > > John Carswell. Interests, Carswell, Howie, Stevenson, > Gemmell, McKay. Kirkwood, Sproul,farmers of Neilston Parish.Also > Lang,Henderson, Craig, Mitchell,Purdon McQue & McLuckie. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Our Trees" <our.trees@paradise.net.nz> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:33 PM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] checking > > >> Subscribed under my family tree dedicated email on Friday morning (New >> Zealand time) and nothing come thru since then is the list quiet??? >> >> >> Glenda KYLE - RESEARCHING: >> >> KYLE/S Ireland, Scotland to New Zealand LOOMES Leicester to New >> Zealand - >> FRANKLYN England, Australia, New Zealand GREEN/E Ireland, New Zealand - >> HOWIE Scotland, New Zealand SHORE Yorkshire, Scotland, New Zealand >> SAYNOR >> Australia, New Zealand - GREAVES Kent, New Zealand, GOLDER Scotland, New >> Zealand - WALE England, Australia, New Zealand LANG Ayrshire, BLAIR >> Ayrshire, MALLOY/MALLEY/MOLLOY/MULLOY Glasgow/Ayrshire, COMBES, England, >> BROOK and PAULHILL Kent and New Zealand HUNTER and CRAWFORD , Ayrshire >> TORRANCE Scotland, New Zealand, McKINDLAY/McKINLAY Co Antrim/Ayrshire, >> FINCH >> UK DRYWOOD, BUDDS, SMITH, BERRY, LATTER, NICHOLS, COUNTS, MARSH, JAKLY, >> LENHAM, TANNER, WATTS, SWAFFORD, R(A)ELPH, WIRE, WHEELER, MARTIN AND >> BENNETT >> all vicinity of Maidstone from 1600 and many many more >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message