My great great grandfather John McClure 1808-1884 was the Head Gardener for the Coats Estate. As he lived in Old Kilpatrick, the Estate home must have been close. His son George Wilson McClure continued in his father's occupation, and came to Buffalo, New York in 1887, as a Landscape Architect. He designed many beautiful Parks and Gardens in that City. William Higgins ----- Original Message ----- From: <darkwing@shaw.ca> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] [Renfrew] Coats & Clarks > My Grandmother, some of her sisters and her Father all worked in the > Coats mill. I am wondering if their might be any records of the > employees available somewhere. > > Gail > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: > 12/13/2008 4:56 PM > >

My Grandmother, some of her sisters and her Father all worked in the Coats mill. I am wondering if their might be any records of the employees available somewhere. Gail

my grandmom also worked in Coats mill in paisley ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "alistair Stevenson" <alijohn@optusnet.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Coats & Clarks > My mother worked as young girl at the Coats mill in Paisley and we're now > living in Australia. Sandy (Wagga x 2) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Mathieson" <ken@kenmath.free-online.co.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Coats & Clarks > > >> Hi Nuala, >> >> You're spot on there about St Petersburg. Coats had the biggest thread > mill >> in the world there from the late 19th century up till the time of the >> Russian Revolution, when it was nationalised without compensation. I > vaguely >> remember a complicated story about all the title deeds, trade marks etc >> being spirited out of Russia by the Scottish managers in order to prove >> ownership in the event of the Revolution failing. Ironically, after >> Perestroika, the Russians asked Coats to provide technical expertise in >> modernising their thread industry, and (again vaguely remembered) I think >> some sort of a joint venture or partnership was formed, so Coats got back >> into the Russian market after all those years. >> >> In the late 1920s or early 30s, Coats also bought a German thread group, > Mez >> AG of Freiburg im Breisgau, and with it came subsidiaries in Austria, >> Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Romania, to add to their >> existing operations in other European, Asian, North and South American >> countries, so by the late 1930s they were truly a global group, and a >> very >> successful one at that. When they set up a new factory it was common >> practice to send a team of experts in every aspect of thread > manufacturing, >> marketing, administration etc to set up the operation train local staff, > and >> run the company. As a result, Paisley families dispersed all across the >> globe, so don't be surprised at Scottish connections in the unlikeliest >> places. >> >> Regards >> >> Ken Mathieson >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nuala Cockburn" <nualacockburn@blueyonder.co.uk> >> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Coats & Clarks >> >> >> > Another place Coats set up factories was St. Petersberg in Russia. My >> > husband's adopted great aunt was sent there by the firm to teach the >> Russian >> > girls in the cotton mill in the latter part of the 19th Century. She > then >> > became a governess in the family of the Grand Duke of Mecklenberg > Strelitz >> > where she remained until her death in 1908, she was buried in the >> > family >> > cemetery there. >> > >> > Nuala >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Roxanne Neel" <roxanne4mastiffs@verizon.net> >> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:15 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Coats & Clarks >> > >> > >> > > Ken ~ Oh my goodness, I still have spools of Coats & Clarks thread > from >> > > years ago when I used to sew! I assumed it was made in America... >> > > Thank you for the information! >> > > Roxanne Neel >> > > Cedarpines Park, California, USA >> > > >> > > >> > > Ken Mathieson wrote: >> > > >> > >>Hi Heather, >> > >> >> > >>The connection between Paisley and Guadalajara is that Paisley was > once >> > >>the >> > >>World's leading town for the manufacture of sewing thread. There were > 2 >> > >>huge >> > >>family businesses, the Clarks and the Coats, which eventually merged > as >> > >>United Thread Mills Ltd, a subsidiary of J & P Coats Ltd, which is >> > >>now >> > >>part >> > >>of the Coats Viyella Tootal group. By the end of the 19th century, > lots >> of >> > >>countries were erecting tariff barriers to limit imports and foster >> local >> > >>industry. Mexico was one such, and one of the Paisley companies set >> > >>up > a >> > >>mill there (I'm not sure which), but in the 1960s & 70s when I worked >> for >> > >>Coats, they had a mill in Guadalajara and another in Mexico City, as >> well >> > >>as >> > >>in countless other places around the world. Some googling should >> > >>yield >> > >>further info. >> > >> >> > >>I hope this helps, >> > >> >> > >>Ken Mathieson, >> > >>Uddingston SCT >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>----- Original Message ----- >> > >>From: "Mariposa Obsidian" <ehecatl2012@yahoo.com> >> > >>To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> >> > >>Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:28 PM >> > >>Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Muir, jamison, Orr >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>>Hi: Could someone place look ont the early census for me (Paisley) > and >> > >>> >> > >>see if you can find the families of: >> > >> >> > >>> Joseph Johnston (b. 1832 in Paisley, Scotland) >> > >>> Jean Young (b. 1838 in Paisley, Scotland). >> > >>> >> > >>> They both died in 1896 in Guadalajara Mexico. >> > >>> >> > >>> I am trying to research the family and find out how they ended up > in >> > >>> >> > >>Guadalajara of all places! >> > >> >> > >>> Thanks! >> > >>> >> > >>> Heather Hess nee Wilson >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>>Cualli Tonalli! >> > >>>Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. >> > >>> >> > >>>http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php >> > >>>http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ >> > >>> >> > >>>"I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my >> > >>>life." - >> > >>> >> > >>Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 >> > >> >> > >>>--------------------------------- >> > >>>Yahoo! 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Hello, all :) I have a question: In the early-19th century (1700-1840), what was the youngest age reported of a boy or man fathering a child ? Now, for My puzzle: I have a John GRAHAM, born either in Paisley in 1710, or Eastwood in 1709. (Both places are in Renfrew.) Then, I have another John, reportedly born about 1727. This John is supposedly the father of Archibald GRAHAM, born 1735, who was the father of Effie GRAHAM, born in 1776 (or '75?) in Inveraray, Argyllshire. Here stands the problem: IF my first John was born even in 1709, he would have been... 17 or 18 yo when the second John was born. That's possible. But, the second John GRAHAM (born about 1727) would have been only 7 or 8 when Archibald was born! Archibald would have been 41 yo old when Effie was born in December of 1776, definitely within the age of fatherhood! The date I have for my second John is from the LDS. With my John GRAHAM, the question becomes, am I dealing with one man, of two? Thank you for any help given. Kelly Paul Graham Houston, Texas

Hi Have being doing the same thing watching these names i have Thomas Skeoch he married Agnes Frew I also have a Howie a Jamieson Paterson but maybe not married to each other .also have Fife . The Fife i have come from around Angus . Kind regards jean On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:01 PM, bindi johns <bindijohns@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > Hello, > > I have been browsing messages, > and came across the surnames of Jamieson + Howie, > > I have a John JAMIESON, b; c 1796 / 1791 kilburnie, Ayrshire. > who md Janet FIFE, > > ch Jean, 1820 ( she md John PATTISON. ) > Margaret, 1822 > Janet, 1818 > > > I also have a James HOWIE, b; c 1749 / 1755 Scotland, > md Agnes SKEOCH, > children so far, william 1782, > and Lily / Lilias, b; c 1794 / 1800, > who md James PATTISON, > > Are any of these names ringing a bell ? > > Id love to hear from anyone who may have a connection, > > from Bindi , > of Bendigo, vic, Australia. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/12/08, ruth <rco89791@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >> From: ruth <rco89791@bigpond.net.au> >> Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Fulton Howie Geddes Hill McKenzie >> To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com >> Received: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 1:36 PM >> Hi Tim >> >> I have Margaret Fulton who married John HOWIE Eaglesham ca >> 1790 with >> children Agnes Margaret and Janet all born Eaglesham. >> Agnes married William >> GEDDES 1809 Eaglesham with seven children Agnes Margaret >> John William Jean >> Marion and possibly Mary all Eaglesham with Agnes marrying >> James Hill 1847 >> Eastwood the family then moving to Glasgow. Children of >> this marriage were >> Alexander Hugh Margaret Mary Elizabeth Janet Howie and >> James. >> >> I am directly descended from Janet Howie HILL who married >> John MCKENZIE 1880 >> Dennistoun Glasgow. >> >> Tim or anyone else see anything familiar here? >> >> Ruth in Sydney >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <sct-renfrew-request@rootsweb.com> >> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:01 PM >> Subject: SCT-RENFREW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 >> >> >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham (Arrick >> Wilkinson) >> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:17:02 -0000 >> > From: "Arrick Wilkinson" >> <arrick@clergy.net> >> > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in >> Eaglesham >> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> >> > Message-ID: >> <003801c95612$98c2c0b0$ca484210$@net> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > >> > Dear Sandy, >> > >> > I too have a William Langmuir born paisley 1760. Did >> you have a typo >> > because >> > you say he died before 1762 but married 1788? >> > He would be my wife's great *3 great-uncle. >> > >> > Arrick >> > >> > Arrick D Wilkinson >> > Minister at Fisherton linked with Kirkoswald >> > >> > Kirkoswald Parish Church Of Scotland is a Registered >> Scottish Charity - >> > SC000213 >> > Fisherton Church of Scotland is a Registered Scottish >> Charity - SC008226 >> > Both operate within the Presbytery of Ayr, a >> Registered Scottish Charity - >> > SC020676 >> > And within the Church of Scotland, a Registered >> Scottish Charity - >> > SC011353 >> > >> > Preach the Gospel Always - Use Words only when >> necessary >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> a.stevenson >> > Sent: 17 November 2008 05:45 >> > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in >> Eaglesham >> > >> > Hi, I have Jean CRAIG b. 1762 Paisley m. William >> LANGMUIR b. 1760 Abbey >> > Paisley d. bef 1762 married 1788 Abbey, Paisley, >> Renfrewshire. >> > >> > Regards, Sandy (Tasmania) >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Tim Millar" >> <seascoutship76@verizon.net> >> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:24 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in >> Eaglesham >> > >> > >> >> Kate, >> >> >> >> I also have an interest in CRAIG and FULTON in >> Eaglesham. In the 1880's >> >> my >> >> great grandmother Jean Rankin Craig Millar >> (1834-1912) supposedly did >> >> some >> >> research on the Craigs in Eaglesham, back to >> Andrew Craig - father of >> >> James, Lilias, John, Andrew, and <Richard?>. >> >> >> >> Lilias may have married James Fulton o/a 30 April >> 1805 in Eaglesham. I'm >> >> descended from Lilias' brother James' son >> John Craig, father of Jean >> >> Rankin Craig Millar. >> >> >> >> Anything ring a bell? >> >> >> >> Hugh Longwill Cameron Millar ("Tim") >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ---- >> >> My interest in the BOOGs or BOAGs of Abbey >> (Paisley), and FULTON (of >> >> Eaglesham), CRAIG, JAMIESON (of Eaglesham) and >> YOUNG: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >> >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - >> Release Date: >> > 03/12/2008 >> > 17:41 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > avast! 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Hi Tim I have Margaret Fulton who married John HOWIE Eaglesham ca 1790 with children Agnes Margaret and Janet all born Eaglesham. Agnes married William GEDDES 1809 Eaglesham with seven children Agnes Margaret John William Jean Marion and possibly Mary all Eaglesham with Agnes marrying James Hill 1847 Eastwood the family then moving to Glasgow. Children of this marriage were Alexander Hugh Margaret Mary Elizabeth Janet Howie and James. I am directly descended from Janet Howie HILL who married John MCKENZIE 1880 Dennistoun Glasgow. Tim or anyone else see anything familiar here? Ruth in Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: <sct-renfrew-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: SCT-RENFREW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham (Arrick Wilkinson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:17:02 -0000 > From: "Arrick Wilkinson" <arrick@clergy.net> > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003801c95612$98c2c0b0$ca484210$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Sandy, > > I too have a William Langmuir born paisley 1760. Did you have a typo > because > you say he died before 1762 but married 1788? > He would be my wife's great *3 great-uncle. > > Arrick > > Arrick D Wilkinson > Minister at Fisherton linked with Kirkoswald > > Kirkoswald Parish Church Of Scotland is a Registered Scottish Charity - > SC000213 > Fisherton Church of Scotland is a Registered Scottish Charity - SC008226 > Both operate within the Presbytery of Ayr, a Registered Scottish Charity - > SC020676 > And within the Church of Scotland, a Registered Scottish Charity - > SC011353 > > Preach the Gospel Always - Use Words only when necessary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of a.stevenson > Sent: 17 November 2008 05:45 > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham > > Hi, I have Jean CRAIG b. 1762 Paisley m. William LANGMUIR b. 1760 Abbey > Paisley d. bef 1762 married 1788 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire. > > Regards, Sandy (Tasmania) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Millar" <seascoutship76@verizon.net> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham > > >> Kate, >> >> I also have an interest in CRAIG and FULTON in Eaglesham. In the 1880's >> my >> great grandmother Jean Rankin Craig Millar (1834-1912) supposedly did >> some >> research on the Craigs in Eaglesham, back to Andrew Craig - father of >> James, Lilias, John, Andrew, and <Richard?>. >> >> Lilias may have married James Fulton o/a 30 April 1805 in Eaglesham. I'm >> descended from Lilias' brother James' son John Craig, father of Jean >> Rankin Craig Millar. >> >> Anything ring a bell? >> >> Hugh Longwill Cameron Millar ("Tim") >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> My interest in the BOOGs or BOAGs of Abbey (Paisley), and FULTON (of >> Eaglesham), CRAIG, JAMIESON (of Eaglesham) and YOUNG: >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: > 03/12/2008 > 17:41 > > > > > _____ > > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. > > > Virus Database (VPS): 081203-0, 03/12/2008 > Tested on: 04/12/2008 13:17:02 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-RENFREW list administrator, send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-RENFREW mailing list, send an email to > SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-RENFREW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 > ******************************************* >

Stuart, Six years ago I visited Greenock cemetery to try and locate death records for my family 1840s +. I was advised it was necessary for me to provide them with date of death/burial for each, which of course I didn't have. If their office had to do the search for me it was exceedingly expensive (unbelievable cost) for each single name. I understand from that conversation that their records would not probably become available on line, nor without first providing date of death/burial date because their recording system in the past was very labour intensive and because of the huge amount of burials over time in that particular cemetery. If anyone can throw some fresh light on the present situation I would very much appreciate hearing about it as I still haven't made any progress with this task. Thanks. Noeline New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <muirhead@kwic.com> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Alexander McArthur Stuart, Alexander would have been buried in the Greenock Cemetery providing he died in Greenock and not in Luss. That being said, the burial records for the Greenock cemetery only go back to 1846 and his death may not have been published in the newspaper. You can contact the Greenock Cemetery here and they should be able to point you in the right direction: Burial Grounds Officer Greenock Crematorium 1 South Street Greenock PA16 8UG Phone (01475) 715658 Fax (01475) 730345 Crawfordsdyke was a industrious little place that you can find on a number of maps here http://www.nls.uk/maps/counties/index.html select Thompson's 1821 map of Renfrew, zoom in on Greenock. Wait a while, I tried accessing the site but it may be down. Yes there were tenements. Did you do a Google search for Crawfordsdyke? You may have a case where Alex/Margaret went back to Luss in their later years to be near family. Perhaps a family lair existed or he died in Greenock and was buried in Luss. In Luss they would have been buried in the cemetery next to the church. Today Luss falls under Argyll & Bute Council and you can contact the cemeteries here: Operational Services, Manse Brae, Lochgilphead. PA31 8RD Telephone: 01546 604666 I never ask for a MI I found of that era many didn't exist or survive but the interment record should. It seems that it depends on the day you call whether there was fee charged or not ;) Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stuart Sent: December 7, 2008 6:56 AM To: sct-renfrew-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Alexander McArthur I am researching the parents of Alexander McArthur (1809-1885). I have parents names Alexander McArthur (farmer) and Margaret McFarlane on his 1885 death cert. From the OPRs, Alexander & Margaret married in Luss Dunbarton 1805, had six children in Dunbarton (1809 to 1822) and then one child in Greenock in 1825 (assuming the same couple moved to Greenock). I have a candidate couple in the Greenock East 1841 census Alexander labourer age 56 and Margaret age 58, both born outside the county, consistent with their origin as Dunbartonshire. Address is 48 Crawfordsdyke Main St. In 1851, I have a widow Margaret McArthur annuitant age 68 at Luss, Dunbarton. I have no further trace after that. There is no record of Alexander's death in the published Greenock BMD index. I have two questions that the list may be able to help with. 1. If Alexander died in Greenock, in which cemetery might he have been buried between 1841 and 1851? Without a newspaper record or date, do I have any chance of a finding a burial record, or headstone? 2. There are 16 households listed with the same address 48 Crawfordsdyke, Main St with labourers, and other manual occupations, mostly journeymen. I have had no success so far in tracing the exact whereabouts of Crawfordsdyke. Would this have been a tall tenement, or what other type of building might it have been to have 16 households? Regards Stuart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruth, I haven't had any luck finding any children of the Lilias Craig-John Fulton marriage, so I haven't connected with FULTON after 1805. Best, Tim On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:36 PM, ruth wrote: Hi Tim I have Margaret Fulton who married John HOWIE Eaglesham ca 1790 with children Agnes Margaret and Janet all born Eaglesham. Agnes married William GEDDES 1809 Eaglesham with seven children Agnes Margaret John William Jean Marion and possibly Mary all Eaglesham with Agnes marrying James Hill 1847 Eastwood the family then moving to Glasgow. Children of this marriage were Alexander Hugh Margaret Mary Elizabeth Janet Howie and James. I am directly descended from Janet Howie HILL who married John MCKENZIE 1880 Dennistoun Glasgow. Tim or anyone else see anything familiar here? Ruth in Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: <sct-renfrew-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: SCT-RENFREW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham (Arrick Wilkinson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:17:02 -0000 > From: "Arrick Wilkinson" <arrick@clergy.net> > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003801c95612$98c2c0b0$ca484210$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Sandy, > > I too have a William Langmuir born paisley 1760. Did you have a typo > because > you say he died before 1762 but married 1788? > He would be my wife's great *3 great-uncle. > > Arrick > > Arrick D Wilkinson > Minister at Fisherton linked with Kirkoswald > > Kirkoswald Parish Church Of Scotland is a Registered Scottish > Charity - > SC000213 > Fisherton Church of Scotland is a Registered Scottish Charity - > SC008226 > Both operate within the Presbytery of Ayr, a Registered Scottish > Charity - > SC020676 > And within the Church of Scotland, a Registered Scottish Charity - > SC011353 > > Preach the Gospel Always - Use Words only when necessary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of a.stevenson > Sent: 17 November 2008 05:45 > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham > > Hi, I have Jean CRAIG b. 1762 Paisley m. William LANGMUIR b. 1760 > Abbey > Paisley d. bef 1762 married 1788 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire. > > Regards, Sandy (Tasmania) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Millar" <seascoutship76@verizon.net> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham > > >> Kate, >> >> I also have an interest in CRAIG and FULTON in Eaglesham. In the >> 1880's >> my >> great grandmother Jean Rankin Craig Millar (1834-1912) supposedly did >> some >> research on the Craigs in Eaglesham, back to Andrew Craig - father of >> James, Lilias, John, Andrew, and <Richard?>. >> >> Lilias may have married James Fulton o/a 30 April 1805 in >> Eaglesham. I'm >> descended from Lilias' brother James' son John Craig, father of Jean >> Rankin Craig Millar. >> >> Anything ring a bell? >> >> Hugh Longwill Cameron Millar ("Tim") >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> My interest in the BOOGs or BOAGs of Abbey (Paisley), and FULTON (of >> Eaglesham), CRAIG, JAMIESON (of Eaglesham) and YOUNG: >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: > 03/12/2008 > 17:41 > > > > > _____ > > avast! 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I visited Greenock cemetary two years ago. I gave them the surname I was interested in and they gave me a photocopy of all the people in the lair with dates of burial. It cost £13. I then asked for another surname and that one cost £6. I stopped there, but it would have been £6 for any subsequent searches. I'm not aware that prices have changed since then. Eileen Waddell

Hello, I have been browsing messages, and came across the surnames of Jamieson + Howie, I have a John JAMIESON, b; c 1796 / 1791 kilburnie, Ayrshire. who md Janet FIFE, ch Jean, 1820 ( she md John PATTISON. ) Margaret, 1822 Janet, 1818 I also have a James HOWIE, b; c 1749 / 1755 Scotland, md Agnes SKEOCH, children so far, william 1782, and Lily / Lilias, b; c 1794 / 1800, who md James PATTISON, Are any of these names ringing a bell ? Id love to hear from anyone who may have a connection, from Bindi , of Bendigo, vic, Australia. --- On Mon, 8/12/08, ruth <rco89791@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > From: ruth <rco89791@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Fulton Howie Geddes Hill McKenzie > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Received: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 1:36 PM > Hi Tim > > I have Margaret Fulton who married John HOWIE Eaglesham ca > 1790 with > children Agnes Margaret and Janet all born Eaglesham. > Agnes married William > GEDDES 1809 Eaglesham with seven children Agnes Margaret > John William Jean > Marion and possibly Mary all Eaglesham with Agnes marrying > James Hill 1847 > Eastwood the family then moving to Glasgow. Children of > this marriage were > Alexander Hugh Margaret Mary Elizabeth Janet Howie and > James. > > I am directly descended from Janet Howie HILL who married > John MCKENZIE 1880 > Dennistoun Glasgow. > > Tim or anyone else see anything familiar here? > > Ruth in Sydney > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sct-renfrew-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: SCT-RENFREW Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. 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Did > you have a typo > > because > > you say he died before 1762 but married 1788? > > He would be my wife's great *3 great-uncle. > > > > Arrick > > > > Arrick D Wilkinson > > Minister at Fisherton linked with Kirkoswald > > > > Kirkoswald Parish Church Of Scotland is a Registered > Scottish Charity - > > SC000213 > > Fisherton Church of Scotland is a Registered Scottish > Charity - SC008226 > > Both operate within the Presbytery of Ayr, a > Registered Scottish Charity - > > SC020676 > > And within the Church of Scotland, a Registered > Scottish Charity - > > SC011353 > > > > Preach the Gospel Always - Use Words only when > necessary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > a.stevenson > > Sent: 17 November 2008 05:45 > > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in > Eaglesham > > > > Hi, I have Jean CRAIG b. 1762 Paisley m. 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I'm > >> descended from Lilias' brother James' son > John Craig, father of Jean > >> Rankin Craig Millar. > >> > >> Anything ring a bell? > >> > >> Hugh Longwill Cameron Millar ("Tim") > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > >> My interest in the BOOGs or BOAGs of Abbey > (Paisley), and FULTON (of > >> Eaglesham), CRAIG, JAMIESON (of Eaglesham) and > YOUNG: > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - > Release Date: > > 03/12/2008 > > 17:41 > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > avast! 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Thanks Don - I've tried the map without success so far but I will persevere and I's  sure I will get there.  I tried googling Crawfodsdyke, but didn't get much useful info.  I will write to the cemetery offices and keep fingers crossed. Regards Stuart   From: "Don" < muirhead@kwic.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Alexander McArthur Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:26:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <398497.18655.qm@web87102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Stuart, Alexander would have been buried in the Greenock Cemetery providing he died in Greenock and not in Luss. That being said, the burial records for the Greenock cemetery only go back to 1846 and his death may not have been published in the newspaper. You can contact the Greenock Cemetery here and they should be able to point you in the right direction: Burial Grounds Officer Greenock Crematorium 1 South Street Greenock PA16 8UG Phone (01475) 715658 Fax (01475) 730345 Crawfordsdyke was a industrious little place that you can find on a number of maps here http://www.nls.uk/maps/counties/index.html select Thompson's 1821 map of Renfrew, zoom in on Greenock. Wait a while, I tried accessing the site but it may be down. Yes there were tenements. Did you do a Google search for Crawfordsdyke? You may have a case where Alex/Margaret went back to Luss in their later years to be near family. Perhaps a family lair existed or he died in Greenock and was buried in Luss. In Luss they would have been buried in the cemetery next to the church. Today Luss falls under Argyll & Bute Council and you can contact the cemeteries here: Operational Services, Manse Brae, Lochgilphead. PA31 8RD Telephone: 01546 604666 I never ask for a MI I found of that era many didn't exist or survive but the interment record should. It seems that it depends on the day you call whether there was fee charged or not ;) Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA

Looking for any info on Janet Breckenridge born about 1833 possibly Stirling father William mother Agnes Roy Married James Boag 1852 in East Parish Greenock. Thanks Bob

Hello to all on the list, This is just a little story I'd like to share with you all. Not looking for information in particular but if anyone has any comments... I was looking for a sister of my great grandfather, by the name of Ann Winning. I found 2 references, one born 1873, the second 1874. On looking up their births I found the first Ann to be the one I was looking for (here on out I will call her "my Ann), the second was from different parents. Nothing too out of the ordinary so far. I then found my Annie was married in 1901 to William Baxter. Her parents were named, but her name was Annie Hamilton, widow so naturally I went looking for her 1st marriage. I found an Annie Winning, who married an Andrew Hamilton in 1896, but it is the 2nd Annie. At this point I have been unable to find the 1st marriage of my Ann, but what are the odds of that happening? Two Ann Winnings, born a year apart, both marrying a Hamilton at around the same time. This is all happening in Lanark I might add. I'm going to search into the background of the 2nd Ann to see if there is a connection somewhere. Does anyone have a similar story? I think it's fascinating, and all part of the fun. Cheers, Katrina

Katie, My understanding is that all Winnings in the greater Glasgow area were members of the one extended family. My own 4x great grandmother was Elizabeth Winning and her husband was another coalminer. The Winning family in fact owned coal mines in the Shettleston/Parkhead area of Glasgow, an area in which they had been landowners since the reign of Mary Queen of Scots. A distant cousin of mine has done a one-name study on Winnings and she has compiled a family tree including literally hundreds of us all descended from the same Thomas Winning and Agnes Lintoune married in the early 1600s in Glasgow. One branch of the family even went to Russia where they had mines and became members of the Russian Aristocracy as Von Winnings. Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: info@highland-family-heritage.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Katie de Haan Sent: 07 December 2008 08:17 To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com; katjw@optusnet.com.au Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Quirky coincidence - WINNING Katrina, >From the 1871 census index, both WINNING families seem to have been living in Lanarkshire then, and both fathers, Robert and Thomas WINNING, were coal miners. Their marriage records might tell you more about whether they may be cousins or even brothers. I can see a marriage for one set of parents: Robert WINNING and Janet THOMPSON in Cambusnethan, but haven't seen one indexed for Thomas WINNING and Annie/y SNEDDON yet. I think you said you had information on your Annie's birth; the record should say where and when her parents were married which would help to point you in the direction of finding out how and whether Thomas and Robert closely related. If you so wish, of course... I have to remind myself that not everyone is as quite as besotted as I am. Will now get off your case ;-) Katie PS My previous message, the one below, does not seem to have come through yet: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Quirky coincidence - WINNING> > Two more points, Katrina, > 1) The young lady who married Hugh HAMILTON in 1899 appears to have the same > parents as Annie who married William BAXTER in 1901, i.e. Thomas WINNING & > Annie SNEDDON. > 2) I don''t know about the odds on two Annie WINNINGs, but I certainly had > > trouble with my great grandmother Mary McVean and her cousin by the same > name, two years younger and born next door in Argyll and migrating to > > Renfrew and Lanark which, after all, are pretty close.> Enjoy the trail, > Katie de Haan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 06/12/2008 16:55 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1834 - Release Date: 06/12/2008 16:55

I am researching the parents of Alexander McArthur (1809-1885). I have parents names Alexander McArthur (farmer) and Margaret McFarlane on his 1885 death cert.  From the OPRs, Alexander & Margaret married in Luss Dunbarton 1805, had six children in Dunbarton (1809 to 1822) and then one child in Greenock in 1825 (assuming the same couple moved to Greenock). I have a candidate couple in the Greenock East 1841 census Alexander labourer age 56 and Margaret age 58, both born outside the county, consistent with their origin as Dunbartonshire.  Address is 48 Crawfordsdyke Main St.  In 1851, I have a widow Margaret McArthur annuitant age 68 at Luss, Dunbarton.  I have no further trace after that.  There is no record of Alexander's death in the published Greenock BMD index. I have two questions that the list may be able to help with. 1. If Alexander died in Greenock, in which cemetery might he have been buried between 1841 and 1851? Without a newspaper record or date, do I have any chance of a finding a burial record, or headstone? 2. There are 16 households listed with the same address 48 Crawfordsdyke, Main St with labourers, and other manual occupations, mostly journeymen. I have had no success so far in tracing the exact whereabouts of Crawfordsdyke. Would this have been a tall tenement, or what other type of building might it have been to have 16 households? Regards Stuart

Stuart, Alexander would have been buried in the Greenock Cemetery providing he died in Greenock and not in Luss. That being said, the burial records for the Greenock cemetery only go back to 1846 and his death may not have been published in the newspaper. You can contact the Greenock Cemetery here and they should be able to point you in the right direction: Burial Grounds Officer Greenock Crematorium 1 South Street Greenock PA16 8UG Phone (01475) 715658 Fax (01475) 730345 Crawfordsdyke was a industrious little place that you can find on a number of maps here http://www.nls.uk/maps/counties/index.html select Thompson's 1821 map of Renfrew, zoom in on Greenock. Wait a while, I tried accessing the site but it may be down. Yes there were tenements. Did you do a Google search for Crawfordsdyke? You may have a case where Alex/Margaret went back to Luss in their later years to be near family. Perhaps a family lair existed or he died in Greenock and was buried in Luss. In Luss they would have been buried in the cemetery next to the church. Today Luss falls under Argyll & Bute Council and you can contact the cemeteries here: Operational Services, Manse Brae, Lochgilphead. PA31 8RD Telephone: 01546 604666 I never ask for a MI I found of that era many didn't exist or survive but the interment record should. It seems that it depends on the day you call whether there was fee charged or not ;) Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stuart Sent: December 7, 2008 6:56 AM To: sct-renfrew-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Alexander McArthur I am researching the parents of Alexander McArthur (1809-1885). I have parents names Alexander McArthur (farmer) and Margaret McFarlane on his 1885 death cert. From the OPRs, Alexander & Margaret married in Luss Dunbarton 1805, had six children in Dunbarton (1809 to 1822) and then one child in Greenock in 1825 (assuming the same couple moved to Greenock). I have a candidate couple in the Greenock East 1841 census Alexander labourer age 56 and Margaret age 58, both born outside the county, consistent with their origin as Dunbartonshire. Address is 48 Crawfordsdyke Main St. In 1851, I have a widow Margaret McArthur annuitant age 68 at Luss, Dunbarton. I have no further trace after that. There is no record of Alexander's death in the published Greenock BMD index. I have two questions that the list may be able to help with. 1. If Alexander died in Greenock, in which cemetery might he have been buried between 1841 and 1851? Without a newspaper record or date, do I have any chance of a finding a burial record, or headstone? 2. There are 16 households listed with the same address 48 Crawfordsdyke, Main St with labourers, and other manual occupations, mostly journeymen. I have had no success so far in tracing the exact whereabouts of Crawfordsdyke. Would this have been a tall tenement, or what other type of building might it have been to have 16 households? Regards Stuart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Katrina, >From the 1871 census index, both WINNING families seem to have been living in Lanarkshire then, and both fathers, Robert and Thomas WINNING, were coal miners. Their marriage records might tell you more about whether they may be cousins or even brothers. I can see a marriage for one set of parents: Robert WINNING and Janet THOMPSON in Cambusnethan, but haven't seen one indexed for Thomas WINNING and Annie/y SNEDDON yet. I think you said you had information on your Annie's birth; the record should say where and when her parents were married which would help to point you in the direction of finding out how and whether Thomas and Robert closely related. If you so wish, of course... I have to remind myself that not everyone is as quite as besotted as I am. Will now get off your case ;-) Katie PS My previous message, the one below, does not seem to have come through yet: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Quirky coincidence - WINNING> > Two more points, Katrina, > 1) The young lady who married Hugh HAMILTON in 1899 appears to have the same > parents as Annie who married William BAXTER in 1901, i.e. Thomas WINNING & > Annie SNEDDON. > 2) I don''t know about the odds on two Annie WINNINGs, but I certainly had > > trouble with my great grandmother Mary McVean and her cousin by the same > name, two years younger and born next door in Argyll and migrating to > > Renfrew and Lanark which, after all, are pretty close.> Enjoy the trail, > Katie de Haan

Two more points, Katrina, 1) The young lady who married Hugh HAMILTON in 1899 appears to have the same parents as Annie who married William BAXTER in 1901, i.e. Thomas WINNING & Annie SNEDDON. 2) I don''t know about the odds on two Annie WINNINGs, but I certainly had trouble with my great grandmother Mary McVean and her cousin by the same name, two years younger and born next door in Argyll and migrating to Renfrew and Lanark which, after all, are pretty close. Enjoy the trail, Katie de Haan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie de Haan" <gallorosso@home.nl> To: <katjw@optusnet.com.au> Cc: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Quirky coincidence - WINNING > Hello Katrina > > Intriguing story. What you don't mention is where you saw these > references. > > Not being mathematical I haven't the slightest idea what the odds are on > two > Ann Winnings marrying two Hamiltons around the same time. Anything is > possible, of course, but I imagine it could be equally possible that the > sources you've seen simply quoted the wrong set of parents for Ann > Winning. > I've seen this sort of dubious entry in some secondary sources, such as > the > IGI, but I've not seen IGI data far beyond the middle of the nineteenth > century, so you probably didn't see them there. > > Have you checked the marriages on Scotland's People or any even halfway > similar source? >>>>>>> > 5 minutes later: > OK, Katrina, since, as you say, it's a quirky story, I couldn't resist > looking for myself. Not gone into it completely, but a search in the > statutory records turns up two young ladies, one recorded as Ann, the > other > as Annie, marrying Hamiltons in the time frame...one Andrew and one Hugh, > one in Lanark, the other in Renfrewshire. Had you seen the latter one? > > Katie de Haan > The Netherlands > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kat" <> >> To: <> >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:37 AM >> Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Quirky coincidence >> >> >>> Hello to all on the list, >>> This is just a little story I'd like to share with you all. Not looking >>> for information in particular but if anyone has any comments... >>> I was looking for a sister of my great grandfather, by the name of Ann >>> Winning. I found 2 references, one born 1873, the second 1874. On >>> looking up their births I found the first Ann to be the one I was >>> looking >>> for (here on out I will call her "my Ann), the second was from different >>> parents. Nothing too out of the ordinary so far. I then found my Annie >>> was married in 1901 to William Baxter. Her parents were named, but her >>> name was Annie Hamilton, widow so naturally I went looking for her 1st >>> marriage. I found an Annie Winning, who married an Andrew Hamilton in >>> 1896, but it is the 2nd Annie. At this point I have been unable to find >>> the 1st marriage of my Ann, but what are the odds of that happening? Two >>> Ann Winnings, born a year apart, both marrying a Hamilton at around the >>> same time. This is all happening in Lanark I might add. I'm going to >>> search into the background of the 2nd Ann to see if there is a >>> connection >>> somewhere. >>> Does anyone have a similar story? I think it's fascinating, and all part >>> of the fun. >>> Cheers, >>> Katrina >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Katrina Intriguing story. What you don't mention is where you saw these references. Not being mathematical I haven't the slightest idea what the odds are on two Ann Winnings marrying two Hamiltons around the same time. Anything is possible, of course, but I imagine it could be equally possible that the sources you've seen simply quoted the wrong set of parents for Ann Winning. I've seen this sort of dubious entry in some secondary sources, such as the IGI, but I've not seen IGI data far beyond the middle of the nineteenth century, so you probably didn't see them there. Have you checked the marriages on Scotland's People or any even halfway similar source? >>>>>> 5 minutes later: OK, Katrina, since, as you say, it's a quirky story, I couldn't resist looking for myself. Not gone into it completely, but a search in the statutory records turns up two young ladies, one recorded as Ann, the other as Annie, marrying Hamiltons in the time frame...one Andrew and one Hugh, one in Lanark, the other in Renfrewshire. Had you seen the latter one? Katie de Haan The Netherlands > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kat" <> > To: <> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:37 AM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Quirky coincidence > > >> Hello to all on the list, >> This is just a little story I'd like to share with you all. Not looking >> for information in particular but if anyone has any comments... >> I was looking for a sister of my great grandfather, by the name of Ann >> Winning. I found 2 references, one born 1873, the second 1874. On >> looking up their births I found the first Ann to be the one I was looking >> for (here on out I will call her "my Ann), the second was from different >> parents. Nothing too out of the ordinary so far. I then found my Annie >> was married in 1901 to William Baxter. Her parents were named, but her >> name was Annie Hamilton, widow so naturally I went looking for her 1st >> marriage. I found an Annie Winning, who married an Andrew Hamilton in >> 1896, but it is the 2nd Annie. At this point I have been unable to find >> the 1st marriage of my Ann, but what are the odds of that happening? Two >> Ann Winnings, born a year apart, both marrying a Hamilton at around the >> same time. This is all happening in Lanark I might add. I'm going to >> search into the background of the 2nd Ann to see if there is a connection >> somewhere. >> Does anyone have a similar story? I think it's fascinating, and all part >> of the fun. >> Cheers, >> Katrina >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Sandy, I too have a William Langmuir born paisley 1760. Did you have a typo because you say he died before 1762 but married 1788? He would be my wife's great *3 great-uncle. Arrick Arrick D Wilkinson Minister at Fisherton linked with Kirkoswald Kirkoswald Parish Church Of Scotland is a Registered Scottish Charity - SC000213 Fisherton Church of Scotland is a Registered Scottish Charity - SC008226 Both operate within the Presbytery of Ayr, a Registered Scottish Charity - SC020676 And within the Church of Scotland, a Registered Scottish Charity - SC011353 Preach the Gospel Always - Use Words only when necessary -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of a.stevenson Sent: 17 November 2008 05:45 To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham Hi, I have Jean CRAIG b. 1762 Paisley m. William LANGMUIR b. 1760 Abbey Paisley d. bef 1762 married 1788 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire. Regards, Sandy (Tasmania) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Millar" <seascoutship76@verizon.net> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Craig and Fulton in Eaglesham > Kate, > > I also have an interest in CRAIG and FULTON in Eaglesham. In the 1880's my > great grandmother Jean Rankin Craig Millar (1834-1912) supposedly did some > research on the Craigs in Eaglesham, back to Andrew Craig - father of > James, Lilias, John, Andrew, and <Richard?>. > > Lilias may have married James Fulton o/a 30 April 1805 in Eaglesham. I'm > descended from Lilias' brother James' son John Craig, father of Jean > Rankin Craig Millar. > > Anything ring a bell? > > Hugh Longwill Cameron Millar ("Tim") > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > My interest in the BOOGs or BOAGs of Abbey (Paisley), and FULTON (of > Eaglesham), CRAIG, JAMIESON (of Eaglesham) and YOUNG: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.13/1827 - Release Date: 03/12/2008 17:41 _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 081203-0, 03/12/2008 Tested on: 04/12/2008 13:17:02 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.