Hello Diane Your Andrew may have left Scotland for the 'diggings'. The timing would fit with his supposed arrival and with his one-time occupation of 'miner'. But I had a look on the National Archives of Scotland online catalogue for likely 'convicts' and there was one of interest. In 1843 an Andrew MILLAR alias ADAM Millar was tried with four others including a John and Archibald McNAUGHT, at the High Court in Edinburgh for the crime of 'reset of theft' (I think this is handling of stolen goods) at two addresses in Paisley, Renfrewshire. Andrew Millar confessed and was sentenced to 7 years transportation. John and Archibald McNaught were sentenced to 14 years transportation. All 3 were weavers. Five years later, in 1848, an Andrew MILLAR, 18, son of ADAM Millar, of Stanhope Place, Glasgow was arrested for housebreaking, along with a John and Archibald MCNAUGHT, both of Paisley. Again all 3 were weavers. This sounds very like the same trio. I suppose they may have avoided transportation and perhaps escaped from prison. Unfortunately, the trial papers for this offence are not indexed on the online catalogue, so I don't know the outcome of the trial. And I couldn't find a household headed by an Adam Millar, son Andrew/Adam, in the 1841 Scottish Census. The 'Adam' is interesting. One of your Andrew's sons was named George Adam. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Essex-Clark" <defect@lizzy.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:44 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Fw: Andrew Millar of Greenock > Hello, > > The person I am looking for was called Andrew MILLAR. It is unknown when > and > how he arrived in Australia. He married Jane Sarah Percival from London on > 8 > Jan 1853 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

Thanks for the reply Collin. These people were in Northumber, England, But I believe George was a Sgt in the Royal Artillery and may have been stationed around there. Michael On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Michael, > > Sorry those names do not ring any bells. > > My LIDDELL line comes from Stirlingshire and I am only back to the birth of > my gg grandfather James a tailor who was born 14th February 1808. His father > was there for the conception and the registration of the birth in the Church > Register and then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.{;-( > > Colin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael paton > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > Collin > I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. > I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE > PATON > and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to know > if > George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that far > back. > Michael Paton > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au > >wrote: > > > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my own > > question. > > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number of > > where she lived. > > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h 15m > > that I realised. > > > > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) > > > > Colin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Liddell > > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM > > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > > > > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an > > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's People. > > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column > > "Where and When Died" is the following. > > 1880 > > February > > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. > > 8h PM > > 5 > > > > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I guess > > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. > > The death above hers has, > > 2h PM > > 1 > > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about > > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. > > > > Colin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Collin I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE PATON and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to know if George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that far back. Michael Paton On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my own > question. > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number of > where she lived. > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h 15m > that I realised. > > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) > > Colin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Liddell > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's People. > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column > "Where and When Died" is the following. > 1880 > February > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. > 8h PM > 5 > > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I guess > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. > The death above hers has, > 2h PM > 1 > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. > > Colin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nuala, I have done just that and discovered quite a bit of info on the families, I am now two steps further back.{;-) Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Nuala Cockburn To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Edward GRAY & Margaret BROADFOOT Colin, Definitely pay the 5 credits and view online as it is the actual registers that are shown, including family signatures if they could write. The extract costs a lot more for what is just a fancy piece of paper. Nuala ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Liddell" <caplid@optusnet.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:02 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Edward GRAY & Margaret BROADFOOT >I have just started researching my g grandfather on my father's maternal >side and found the following. > > Edward GRAY (my g grandfather) was born in Greenock East, Renfrew on the > 24th April 1831, parents were Edward GRAY and Margaret BROADFOOT who > married in Greenock East on the 3rd July 1831. > Children to this union were; John b. 22nd July 1832, Jane b. 9th November > 1834, Edward b. 24th April 1836 (my g grandfather), Hugh b. 24th January > 1838, David b. 20th September 1840, William b. 26th November 1842 and > Margaret b. 27th July 1845. > > In the 1851 Census I found the family living at Lady Burn Marshall Land, > Edward Snr. occupation skinner said he was age 49 est. birth year 1802 and > born in Haddington, East Lothian. > > I did a search of the births for that period and found an Edward b. 23rd > November 1800 in Haddington. East Lothian, father John GRAY and mother > Janet Owterside. > The age is a close fit but considering the names of the parents and the > children, would it be reasonable to consider this birth as the right one? > Is there another way I can check? > > In the 1851 Census Margaret said she was age 44, est. birth year 1807 and > born in Janerkip, Renfrewshire, I think this has been mistranscribed and > should read Inverkip. > > I searched for a birth for Margaret but could not find one for that time > or place. > > I searched for a death for Edward Snr and found a death for Edward age 69 > in 1870 (could not get the exact date) in Greenock East. to get the exact > date would I have to go to GROS and what else would I get from the > certificate? > I found a death for Margaret age 76 in Greenock East in 1880. > I got these details on Scotlands People, can I get more from there and how > much does it cost. Do I get the extract or can I get the same with paying > 5 credits and viewing? > > Any advice or help with this research would greatly appreciated. > > I also would like to hear from anyone descended from or researching this > family. > > Colin in a hot, wet and muggy Brisbane. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Irene, Many thanks for taking the time to answer my query. You have confirmed what I suspected, so I will go back to Scotlands People and pay for the extract and see if what I suspect is correct. Again my thanks! Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Macleod To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Edward GRAY & Margaret BROADFOOT Hi Colin Scottish death certificates normally give you the names of the parents of the deceased ...provided the informant knows them...so it would be worth your while paying for the image of Edward senior's death cert. The extract and the image provided by Scotlandspeople are the same thing as far as you are concerned ...the extract is the image made legal for legal purposes. Many births/baptisms are missing from the OPRs so you cannot assume that just because the name and rough date fit that you've got the right person ....much safer to get the death cert and be fairly sure. Irene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just started researching my g grandfather on my father's maternal side and found the following. Edward GRAY (my g grandfather) was born in Greenock East, Renfrew on the 24th April 1831, parents were Edward GRAY and Margaret BROADFOOT who married in Greenock East on the 3rd July 1831. Children to this union were; John b. 22nd July 1832, Jane b. 9th November 1834, Edward b. 24th April 1836 (my g grandfather), Hugh b. 24th January 1838, David b. 20th September 1840, William b. 26th November 1842 and Margaret b. 27th July 1845. In the 1851 Census I found the family living at Lady Burn Marshall Land, Edward Snr. occupation skinner said he was age 49 est. birth year 1802 and born in Haddington, East Lothian. I did a search of the births for that period and found an Edward b. 23rd November 1800 in Haddington. East Lothian, father John GRAY and mother Janet Owterside. The age is a close fit but considering the names of the parents and the children, would it be reasonable to consider this birth as the right one? Is there another way I can check? In the 1851 Census Margaret said she was age 44, est. birth year 1807 and born in Janerkip, Renfrewshire, I think this has been mistranscribed and should read Inverkip. I searched for a birth for Margaret but could not find one for that time or place. I searched for a death for Edward Snr and found a death for Edward age 69 in 1870 (could not get the exact date) in Greenock East. to get the exact date would I have to go to GROS and what else would I get from the certificate? I found a death for Margaret age 76 in Greenock East in 1880. I got these details on Scotlands People, can I get more from there and how much does it cost. Do I get the extract or can I get the same with paying 5 credits and viewing? Any advice or help with this research would greatly appreciated. I also would like to hear from anyone descended from or researching this family. Colin in a hot, wet and muggy Brisbane.

Colin, Definitely pay the 5 credits and view online as it is the actual registers that are shown, including family signatures if they could write. The extract costs a lot more for what is just a fancy piece of paper. Nuala ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Liddell" <caplid@optusnet.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:02 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Edward GRAY & Margaret BROADFOOT >I have just started researching my g grandfather on my father's maternal >side and found the following. > > Edward GRAY (my g grandfather) was born in Greenock East, Renfrew on the > 24th April 1831, parents were Edward GRAY and Margaret BROADFOOT who > married in Greenock East on the 3rd July 1831. > Children to this union were; John b. 22nd July 1832, Jane b. 9th November > 1834, Edward b. 24th April 1836 (my g grandfather), Hugh b. 24th January > 1838, David b. 20th September 1840, William b. 26th November 1842 and > Margaret b. 27th July 1845. > > In the 1851 Census I found the family living at Lady Burn Marshall Land, > Edward Snr. occupation skinner said he was age 49 est. birth year 1802 and > born in Haddington, East Lothian. > > I did a search of the births for that period and found an Edward b. 23rd > November 1800 in Haddington. East Lothian, father John GRAY and mother > Janet Owterside. > The age is a close fit but considering the names of the parents and the > children, would it be reasonable to consider this birth as the right one? > Is there another way I can check? > > In the 1851 Census Margaret said she was age 44, est. birth year 1807 and > born in Janerkip, Renfrewshire, I think this has been mistranscribed and > should read Inverkip. > > I searched for a birth for Margaret but could not find one for that time > or place. > > I searched for a death for Edward Snr and found a death for Edward age 69 > in 1870 (could not get the exact date) in Greenock East. to get the exact > date would I have to go to GROS and what else would I get from the > certificate? > I found a death for Margaret age 76 in Greenock East in 1880. > I got these details on Scotlands People, can I get more from there and how > much does it cost. Do I get the extract or can I get the same with paying > 5 credits and viewing? > > Any advice or help with this research would greatly appreciated. > > I also would like to hear from anyone descended from or researching this > family. > > Colin in a hot, wet and muggy Brisbane. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Colin Scottish death certificates normally give you the names of the parents of the deceased ...provided the informant knows them...so it would be worth your while paying for the image of Edward senior's death cert. The extract and the image provided by Scotlandspeople are the same thing as far as you are concerned ...the extract is the image made legal for legal purposes. Many births/baptisms are missing from the OPRs so you cannot assume that just because the name and rough date fit that you've got the right person ....much safer to get the death cert and be fairly sure. Irene

Thank you so much for that little bit of information re Castle Semple.  My McLachlan family was cleared from Morvern and my ggrandfather came to Australia.  He was illiterate and as far as we know had no further contact with his family.  I have searched for them for years until recently I found a sister who married Robert McLellan and was widowed before the birth of her fourth child.  She then was on the Poor Roll and eventually died in Lochwinnoch.  Her son Robert was a footman and domestic servant to Henry Lee Harvey and his wife (who was the daughter of Henry David Erskine 12th Earl of Buchan) at St Georges Square in London in 1881. I wonder if my Robert's sisters were also employed by the Harveys from the Poor House or from those on the Poor Roll.  I had only recently discovered that Harveys had Caste Semple at one stage. Anne Maye.

If you go to the following website www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featurehistory2532.html it states in part -- "The estate of Castle-Semple belonged to the noble family of Sempill from the 14th century till 1727, when it was sold to Colonel M 'Dowall; in 1813 it was sold again to John Harvey, Esq.; and its present proprietor is Hy. Lee-Harvey, Esq. (b. 1823; suc. 1872), who owns 6500 acres in the shire, valued at £5562 per annum." Eva - Vancouver, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Maye" <a_mayezing@yahoo.com.au> To: "Renfrew List" <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Castle Semple & Harvey Family I wonder if there is anyone who can tell me when the Harvey family owned Castle Semple and if they were related to the Crawfords. I can find lots on Crawfords but a vague reference to the Harveys owning it at one time. I am interested in the time of the second half of the 1800s. Anne Maye Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if there is anyone who can tell me when the Harvey family owned Castle Semple and if they were related to the Crawfords. I can find lots on Crawfords but a vague reference to the Harveys owning it at one time.  I am interested in the time of the second half of the 1800s. Anne Maye Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Gerry I've just picked up on your message. Do any of your McGregor's have Kerr relatives?? I'm trying to find out who this William McGregor was?. My William Kerr an upholsterer master of Paisley who died in 1861 at 84 High Street, had his nephew William McGregor of 11 Landichall Street, Glasgow as the informant. Regards Helen -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 10:27 PM To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Kilbarchan East Cemetery Colleen I am interested in McGregor's from Abbey & Kilbarchan. Thanks Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." In a message dated 2/2/2010 1:43:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz writes: Perhaps it would be a good idea to put what surnames you are interested in. You never know who will read your message and connect. Kind regards, Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: <gemwood@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Kilbarchan East Cemetery >I was sorry to read in the JF & S Mitchell edition of Renfrewshire MI's pre >1855 that comparatively few stones remain in the Kilbarchan East Cemetery. > > The headstones of my family have been lost, and those ancestors do not > appear on the Renfrewshire Deaths and Burials Index CD. Luckily, a family > member visited the Kilbarchan East Cemetery in 1992 and copied the > inscriptions from 3 of our headstones, otherwise I would have no clue as > to what happened to those families. > > It brought home to me the importance of preserving our family history, and > I thank all of you involved in this work. Without your dedication, it > would be impossible for the rest of us to find our ancestors. > > Nyle James > Blenheim NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello there, I am interested in any Blackwood that may be in the cemetery there at Kilbarchan. The parents were George and Mary Blackwood (nee Caldwell). They farmed at Kibleston. Anything at all would be sensational. Any clues on how to obtain marriage records from around 1840 - 55 in that area? Thanks in advance, Cheryle Melbourne Australia

I have full MI's for the following 3 families - Kilbarchan East Cemetery DONALD - Robert, wife Ann WYLLIE, and daughter Mary WILSON - Alexander (Auctioneer), wife Jean DONALD... Erected by son Robert CARRUTH - James, wife Ann DONALD, daughter Catherine, sons James and Allan I am interested in anyone researching DONALD - especially Lochwinnoch area. Nyle

I am interested in Jackson, Telfer and Crawford in Kilbarchan. Thanks Liz

Hello Cheryle There are 6 marriages listed in Kilbarchan between 1840 and 1855 on the OPR Banns & Marriages index on Scotlands People. (I would have expected the 1855 records to appear under the civil registration index) They are: Agnes Blackwood and William Meickle 1842 Ann Blackwood and Murdoch McConnell 1855 (there is also a civil registration entry for this marriage i.e marriages from 1855 onwards) James Blackwood and Grace Cameron 1849 John Blackwood and Mary Ann Climie 1841 Margaret Blackwood and John Young 1855 Michael Dick Blackwood and Jane Wylie 1852 (Jane/Jean Wylie was my GG Aunt) There are 2 marriages in the Lochwinnoch parish register for this period. They were: Andrew Blackwood and Mary Orr 1846 Margaret Blackwood and Robert McLeish 1849 You may view the images of the entries in the Parish Register on Scotlands People which is a pay site, and may order extracts through the site. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryle Amad" <caddba@bigpond.net.au> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Blackwoods in Kilbarchan > Hello there, I am interested in any Blackwood that may be in the cemetery there at > Kilbarchan. Any clues on how to obtain marriage records from around 1840 - 55 in that area?

Hi all, I'm interested in COUPER and ALISON (just a single L) in Renfrewshire. Ken Mathieson In a message dated 2/2/2010 1:43:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz writes: > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to put what surnames you are interested > in. > You never know who will read your message and connect. Kind regards, > Colleen

Colleen I am interested in McGregor's from Abbey & Kilbarchan. Thanks Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." In a message dated 2/2/2010 1:43:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz writes: Perhaps it would be a good idea to put what surnames you are interested in. You never know who will read your message and connect. Kind regards, Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: <gemwood@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Kilbarchan East Cemetery >I was sorry to read in the JF & S Mitchell edition of Renfrewshire MI's pre >1855 that comparatively few stones remain in the Kilbarchan East Cemetery. > > The headstones of my family have been lost, and those ancestors do not > appear on the Renfrewshire Deaths and Burials Index CD. Luckily, a family > member visited the Kilbarchan East Cemetery in 1992 and copied the > inscriptions from 3 of our headstones, otherwise I would have no clue as > to what happened to those families. > > It brought home to me the importance of preserving our family history, and > I thank all of you involved in this work. Without your dedication, it > would be impossible for the rest of us to find our ancestors. > > Nyle James > Blenheim NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps it would be a good idea to put what surnames you are interested in. You never know who will read your message and connect. Kind regards, Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: <gemwood@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Kilbarchan East Cemetery >I was sorry to read in the JF & S Mitchell edition of Renfrewshire MI's pre >1855 that comparatively few stones remain in the Kilbarchan East Cemetery. > > The headstones of my family have been lost, and those ancestors do not > appear on the Renfrewshire Deaths and Burials Index CD. Luckily, a family > member visited the Kilbarchan East Cemetery in 1992 and copied the > inscriptions from 3 of our headstones, otherwise I would have no clue as > to what happened to those families. > > It brought home to me the importance of preserving our family history, and > I thank all of you involved in this work. Without your dedication, it > would be impossible for the rest of us to find our ancestors. > > Nyle James > Blenheim NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning I'm interested in BRYDSON or JOHNSTONE (JOHNSTON) in Kilbarchan Thank you Elaine Canada