Hi Marie An interesting coincidence found on the Scotlands People site: Alexander Spears bap. 20 Dec 1789, Cupar, Fife, Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Steuart. Margaret Spears bap 19 Nov 1786, Cupar, Fife Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Smart. Andrew Spears bap 09 Jul 1783, Cupar, Fife Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Smart. Martha Spears bap 05 Nov 1780, Ceres, Fife Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Smart. (Martha's actual register entry was the only one giving her Father's occupation - shoemaker, of Craigrothie.) The way "Steuart" was written could be miss-read or transcribed as "Sweet". You mentioned that your Alexander was born in Greenock. Doesn't mean he was necessarily baptised there. For example his Mother may have returned to her family in Greenock for the birth, not uncommon at the time, especially if she had older children, then returned to her marital home for the baptism. My own gg-grandfather stated he was born in Greenock. His parents definitely married there but they moved to England. There are no baptism records for any children in Greenock. The Father was a ship master and away at sea for months at a time so not surprising that a younger son was born back in Greenock where his Mother's family lived. The above entries may be a "red herring"!! But worth noting. I never ignore coincidences, they just might be the people I'm looking for. Good Hunting Rod McPherson Victoria Australia -------------------------------------------------- From: <S18309@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:19 AM To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > Hello everyone, > > I have been trying to find out more about my husbands gggrandfather - > Alexander Spears. We know he was born in Greenock, Scotland in 1786. > Haven't > been able to find a birth/baptism certificate. His father was Robert > Spears and his mum was Elizabeth Sweet. He and family went to Nova > Scotia when > he was between 10 and 20 years old. We know the history from then to the > present. Would like to find out his religion in Scotland and possibly > more > about his parents. If any one can help, I would be most grateful. > > Regards, > Marie Spears > > > In a message dated 2/17/2010 1:28:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > caplid@optusnet.com.au writes: > > Michael, have you tried looking for the military records for George which > should tell you where he enlisted and possibly other details? > > Colin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael paton > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > Thanks for the reply Collin. These people were in Northumber, England, > But > I > believe George was a Sgt in the Royal Artillery and may have been > stationed > around there. > Michael > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Colin Liddell > <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > >> Michael, >> >> Sorry those names do not ring any bells. >> >> My LIDDELL line comes from Stirlingshire and I am only back to the birth > of >> my gg grandfather James a tailor who was born 14th February 1808. His > father >> was there for the conception and the registration of the birth in the > Church >> Register and then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.{;-( >> >> Colin. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: michael paton >> To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details >> >> >> Collin >> I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. >> I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE >> PATON >> and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to > know >> if >> George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that > far >> back. >> Michael Paton >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au >> >wrote: >> >> > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my >> own >> > question. >> > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number > of >> > where she lived. >> > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h > 15m >> > that I realised. >> > >> > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) >> > >> > Colin. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Colin Liddell >> > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM >> > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details >> > >> > >> > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an >> > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's >> People. >> > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the >> column >> > "Where and When Died" is the following. >> > 1880 >> > February >> > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. >> > 8h PM >> > 5 >> > >> > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I >> guess >> > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. >> > The death above hers has, >> > 2h PM >> > 1 >> > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about >> > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. >> > >> > Colin >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Will do! Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael paton To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details Colin Yes that's the Genealogy game keep checking and see what's new. There's more every time I look. Please keep me posted if you run into this George and Elisabeth in your research. Thanks Michael On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Michael, > > What a blow, I understand the budget problems as I am similarly > affected.{;-( > > I did use a researcher some years ago to trace my g grandfather's Army > record and at the time I thought the costs reasonable, I was working then > though.{;-) > I don't know what they are now though, no doubt much more. > > At least you know that you can check some time in the future. > > Colin. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rhoda, Thank you for your help. I had been looking at the possibility that Andrew arrived in Australia perhaps as a crew member and not a passenger and jumped ship either in Melbourne or one of the other states. Though they married in Melbourne in 1853, their first child was born in Ballarat in 1856. The remainder of their 10 children were born in Ararat between 1860 and 1876. Both places were in the centre of the Victorian gold fields. When Andrew died in 1898 an Obituary to him appeared on page 2 of the Ararat Advertiser indicating that he was a pioneer of over 41 years in the area and left behind a well know family. I did have some information on the Andrew Millar who arrived on the Stratheden but from what I had, with him being tried in Edinburgh, I didn't pick up on him coming from Renfrewshire. Paisley is only about 17 miles from Greenock. The second conviction in 1848 with the same people was probably an error by someone transcribing the 1843 information. 3, 5 & 8 often get miss transcribed. I had a look but couldn't find a link to the second conviction in Tasmania in Book 4 No 1148. I will have to send an enquiry to the Tasmanian archives office. On their site I found no indication of this Andrew marrying there which is promising. On the other hand I didn't find anything for him in the Departures either which is disappointing. I had been looking at another Andrew MILLER as a possibility. He was convicted on 14 Sep 1836 in Glasgow and sent to Port Jackson on 10 Jul 1837. >From memory, he received a 14 year sentence. The spelling of Andrew's surname is often mixed between Millar and Miller. Thanks again for your help, Diane

Hi Diane Ancestry have images of [some of] the convict musters. I had a look on these for Andrew Millar, and in the last one for him (1848 or 1849) he is shown as having been tried in Hobart. Presumably this means that he committed another offence while in Tasmania soon after he was awarded his Conditional Pardon (in 1847). I think Irene is right about the NAS catalogue entries. I had another look at the entries on the National Archives of Scotland website. I am almost sure that the two Precognition entries (1843 and 1848) are for the same Andrew Millar. Both men were weavers living in Glasgow who committed an offence with John and Archibald McNaught, weavers in Paisley. In the first he was Andrew alias Adam and in the second his father was named as Adam. The second case may have been related to the first case. A Precognition in Scots Law is a statement taken from a witness or witnesses to a crime before the case goes to trial. It is different from other witness statements because it cannot be put to the witness at the trial. Precognitions may be taken by the prosecution and by the defence and usually involve a face to face interview between the witness and the precognition taker. It may be that in the second case, the prosecution, having interviewed the witness/witnesses during the Precognition, decided that there was not enough evidence to proceed with a trial. Or, of course, that there could be no trial in Scotland as the defendants were beyond their reach in Australia. This leaves me wondering whether IN THOSE DAYS the jurisdiction of the Scottish Courts could extend to Australia for crimes committed in Scotland, which might explain Andrew Millar's conviction in Hobart. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Essex-Clark" <defect@lizzy.com.au> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Fw: Andrew Millar of Greenock > Hi Rhoda, > > I did have some information on the Andrew Millar who arrived on the > Stratheden but from what I had, with him being tried in Edinburgh, I > didn't > pick up on him coming from Renfrewshire. Paisley is only about 17 miles > from > Greenock. The second conviction in 1848 with the same people was probably > an > error by someone transcribing the 1843 information. 3, 5 & 8 often get > miss > transcribed. I had a look but couldn't find a link to the second > conviction > in Tasmania in Book 4 No 1148. I will have to send an enquiry to the > Tasmanian archives office. On their site I found no indication of this > Andrew marrying there which is promising. On the other hand I didn't find > anything for him in the Departures either which is disappointing. >

If this date is from the National Archives online catalogue it's unlikely to be a mistranscription ....this is from legal papers not a headstone ..the writing is usually perfectly legible and the transcribers are not amateurs. Irene error by someone transcribing the 1843 information. 3, 5 & 8 often get miss > transcribed. I had a look but couldn't find a link to the second conviction > in Tasmania in Book 4 No 1148. I will have to send an enquiry to the > Tasmanian archives office. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The second conviction in 1848 with the same people was probably an

Michael, What a blow, I understand the budget problems as I am similarly affected.{;-( I did use a researcher some years ago to trace my g grandfather's Army record and at the time I thought the costs reasonable, I was working then though.{;-) I don't know what they are now though, no doubt much more. At least you know that you can check some time in the future. Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael paton To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details Colin The NLS doesn't have him listed unless he was in the royal navy, but I have two sources that say he was a Sgt, in the Royal Artillery and I can't get to Kew to find out. Thanks for the thought, but I'm in Oklahoma, US on a thin budget. so until it comes on line I'm stuck. Michael On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Michael, have you tried looking for the military records for George which > should tell you where he enlisted and possibly other details? > > Colin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael paton > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > Thanks for the reply Collin. These people were in Northumber, England, But > I > believe George was a Sgt in the Royal Artillery and may have been > stationed > around there. > Michael > >

Thanks Rod. Sorry my bad - I should have started a new thread. Will digest what you sent me and go from there. Regards, Marie Spears In a message dated 2/17/2010 11:35:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, caplid@optusnet.com.au writes: Hi Folks, It would have been a good idea to have started another thread instead of tacking this on to mine as the Subject Line of my post has nothing to do with your query. The problem comes further down the track if someone tries to find your post in the archives. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roderick McPherson To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details Hi Marie An interesting coincidence found on the Scotlands People site: Alexander Spears bap. 20 Dec 1789, Cupar, Fife, Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Steuart. Margaret Spears bap 19 Nov 1786, Cupar, Fife Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Smart. Andrew Spears bap 09 Jul 1783, Cupar, Fife Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Smart. Martha Spears bap 05 Nov 1780, Ceres, Fife Parents: Robert Spears & Betty Smart. (Martha's actual register entry was the only one giving her Father's occupation - shoemaker, of Craigrothie.) The way "Steuart" was written could be miss-read or transcribed as "Sweet". You mentioned that your Alexander was born in Greenock. Doesn't mean he was necessarily baptised there. For example his Mother may have returned to her family in Greenock for the birth, not uncommon at the time, especially if she had older children, then returned to her marital home for the baptism. My own gg-grandfather stated he was born in Greenock. His parents definitely married there but they moved to England. There are no baptism records for any children in Greenock. The Father was a ship master and away at sea for months at a time so not surprising that a younger son was born back in Greenock where his Mother's family lived. The above entries may be a "red herring"!! But worth noting. I never ignore coincidences, they just might be the people I'm looking for. Good Hunting Rod McPherson Victoria Australia -------------------------------------------------- From: <S18309@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:19 AM To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > Hello everyone, > > I have been trying to find out more about my husbands gggrandfather - > Alexander Spears. We know he was born in Greenock, Scotland in 1786. > Haven't > been able to find a birth/baptism certificate. His father was Robert > Spears and his mum was Elizabeth Sweet. He and family went to Nova > Scotia when > he was between 10 and 20 years old. We know the history from then to the > present. Would like to find out his religion in Scotland and possibly > more > about his parents. If any one can help, I would be most grateful. > > Regards, > Marie Spears > > > In a message dated 2/17/2010 1:28:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > caplid@optusnet.com.au writes: > > Michael, have you tried looking for the military records for George which > should tell you where he enlisted and possibly other details? > > Colin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael paton > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > Thanks for the reply Collin. These people were in Northumber, England, > But > I > believe George was a Sgt in the Royal Artillery and may have been > stationed > around there. > Michael > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Colin Liddell > <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > >> Michael, >> >> Sorry those names do not ring any bells. >> >> My LIDDELL line comes from Stirlingshire and I am only back to the birth > of >> my gg grandfather James a tailor who was born 14th February 1808. His > father >> was there for the conception and the registration of the birth in the > Church >> Register and then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.{;-( >> >> Colin. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: michael paton >> To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details >> >> >> Collin >> I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. >> I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE >> PATON >> and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to > know >> if >> George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that > far >> back. >> Michael Paton >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au >> >wrote: >> >> > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my >> own >> > question. >> > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number > of >> > where she lived. >> > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h > 15m >> > that I realised. >> > >> > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) >> > >> > Colin. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Colin Liddell >> > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM >> > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details >> > >> > >> > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an >> > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's >> People. >> > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the >> column >> > "Where and When Died" is the following. >> > 1880 >> > February >> > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. >> > 8h PM >> > 5 >> > >> > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I >> guess >> > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. >> > The death above hers has, >> > 2h PM >> > 1 >> > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about >> > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. >> > >> > Colin >> > >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, have you tried looking for the military records for George which should tell you where he enlisted and possibly other details? Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael paton To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details Thanks for the reply Collin. These people were in Northumber, England, But I believe George was a Sgt in the Royal Artillery and may have been stationed around there. Michael On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Michael, > > Sorry those names do not ring any bells. > > My LIDDELL line comes from Stirlingshire and I am only back to the birth of > my gg grandfather James a tailor who was born 14th February 1808. His father > was there for the conception and the registration of the birth in the Church > Register and then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.{;-( > > Colin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael paton > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > Collin > I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. > I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE > PATON > and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to know > if > George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that far > back. > Michael Paton > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au > >wrote: > > > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my own > > question. > > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number of > > where she lived. > > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h 15m > > that I realised. > > > > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) > > > > Colin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Liddell > > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM > > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > > > > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an > > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's People. > > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column > > "Where and When Died" is the following. > > 1880 > > February > > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. > > 8h PM > > 5 > > > > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I guess > > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. > > The death above hers has, > > 2h PM > > 1 > > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about > > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. > > > > Colin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, Sorry those names do not ring any bells. My LIDDELL line comes from Stirlingshire and I am only back to the birth of my gg grandfather James a tailor who was born 14th February 1808. His father was there for the conception and the registration of the birth in the Church Register and then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.{;-( Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael paton To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details Collin I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE PATON and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to know if George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that far back. Michael Paton On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my own > question. > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number of > where she lived. > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h 15m > that I realised. > > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) > > Colin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Liddell > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's People. > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column > "Where and When Died" is the following. > 1880 > February > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. > 8h PM > 5 > > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I guess > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. > The death above hers has, > 2h PM > 1 > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. > > Colin >

Hi Colin It was a long shot anyway but you contribution was appreciated. There is no great help as far as Andrew's death registration goesIt was completed by his eldest living son William and under parents it says 'Unknown' he listed his father's place of birth as Glasgow and time in Australia as 45 years. 45 years works out to the year Andrew and Jane married 1853 and there is no guarantee it is correct. I put more faith Andrew himself recording his birth place as Greenock than his son who didn't even know the names of his father s parents recording Glasgow as his father's birth place. It is just such a shame I can't find his arrival into Australia. He could have arrived through South Australia which is harder to search. Then again he could even have been a convict. There were a few Andrew Millar's who arrived as convicts from Scotland but none of them stand out as Andrew. No doubt when I least expect it something will turn up. Thanks again for your help, Diane

Colin Yes that's the Genealogy game keep checking and see what's new. There's more every time I look. Please keep me posted if you run into this George and Elisabeth in your research. Thanks Michael On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Michael, > > What a blow, I understand the budget problems as I am similarly > affected.{;-( > > I did use a researcher some years ago to trace my g grandfather's Army > record and at the time I thought the costs reasonable, I was working then > though.{;-) > I don't know what they are now though, no doubt much more. > > At least you know that you can check some time in the future. > > Colin. >

Hi Diane, Sorry I could not be of more help with your query. What does the death certificate of Andrew say, does it mention his parents at all? It never ceases to amaze me how our ancestors never seem to tell their family of their parents or the place they were born.{;-) Sometimes a person will say he/she will say they were born in a particular place as that is where they grew up but in fact were born elsewhere. I have a couple like that and it took me some years to find their actual birthplace. If I can be of further help, don't hesitate to ask. Good luck with your research! Regards, Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Essex-Clark To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Fw: Andrew Millar of Greenock Hi Colin, Thank you for your help. I have looked at those 4 before and wondered if they are possible's. The most likely of them is James and Agnes and my choice is only because they are the closest to Greenock, but none of their children were called James or Agnes. Then again, just because Andrew recorded it on his daughter's birth registration that he was from Greenock, regrettably doesn't mean he actually was. I am just hoping that he recorded the correct place he was born. It may end up to have been where he was living in the years before he came to Australia. So far I haven't been able to find any likely family with an Andrew on the 1841 census. Jane was Andrew's Wife's and Mother-in-Law's names and went back at least one more generation to Jane Jewell, grandmother of Andrew's wife. If the names of Andrew's children hold any clues to the names of his parents the I would guess that his father was named either Andrew, William or George and his mother was either Sarah or Emma. That is only guesswork though. Thanks again for your help, Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Colin, Thank you for your help. I have looked at those 4 before and wondered if they are possible's. The most likely of them is James and Agnes and my choice is only because they are the closest to Greenock, but none of their children were called James or Agnes. Then again, just because Andrew recorded it on his daughter's birth registration that he was from Greenock, regrettably doesn't mean he actually was. I am just hoping that he recorded the correct place he was born. It may end up to have been where he was living in the years before he came to Australia. So far I haven't been able to find any likely family with an Andrew on the 1841 census. Jane was Andrew's Wife's and Mother-in-Law's names and went back at least one more generation to Jane Jewell, grandmother of Andrew's wife. If the names of Andrew's children hold any clues to the names of his parents the I would guess that his father was named either Andrew, William or George and his mother was either Sarah or Emma. That is only guesswork though. Thanks again for your help, Diane

Hello, again, Diane A bit more on Andrew Millar who was convicted at Edinburgh High Court in 1843, and sentenced to 7 years transportation. He was transported to Van Diemens Land on 3 August 1845 on the Stratheden. His convict details on the Tasmanian Archives website show that he was single, a woollen weaver, aged 20, and could read and write. He was only 5' 4 1/2" with light brown hair, blue eyes and freckles. He gave his birthplace as Paisley. The entry says that he was transported for theft by housebreaking of jewellery, plate and watches to the value of £200. This doesn't quite accord with the conviction of "reset of theft". This Andrew got his Conditional Pardon on 30 November 1847 but there is a line across that part of the page with the words "Again convicted vide [see] Miscellaneous Book 4 No 1148". This may refer to the case of the Andrew Millar who was arrested in 1848 along with John and Archibald McNaught. The Tasmanian Archives should be able to answer that one. Rhoda

Hello everyone, I have been trying to find out more about my husbands gggrandfather - Alexander Spears. We know he was born in Greenock, Scotland in 1786. Haven't been able to find a birth/baptism certificate. His father was Robert Spears and his mum was Elizabeth Sweet. He and family went to Nova Scotia when he was between 10 and 20 years old. We know the history from then to the present. Would like to find out his religion in Scotland and possibly more about his parents. If any one can help, I would be most grateful. Regards, Marie Spears In a message dated 2/17/2010 1:28:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, caplid@optusnet.com.au writes: Michael, have you tried looking for the military records for George which should tell you where he enlisted and possibly other details? Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: michael paton To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details Thanks for the reply Collin. These people were in Northumber, England, But I believe George was a Sgt in the Royal Artillery and may have been stationed around there. Michael On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Michael, > > Sorry those names do not ring any bells. > > My LIDDELL line comes from Stirlingshire and I am only back to the birth of > my gg grandfather James a tailor who was born 14th February 1808. His father > was there for the conception and the registration of the birth in the Church > Register and then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.{;-( > > Colin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael paton > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > Collin > I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. > I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE > PATON > and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to know > if > George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that far > back. > Michael Paton > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au > >wrote: > > > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my own > > question. > > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number of > > where she lived. > > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h 15m > > that I realised. > > > > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) > > > > Colin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Liddell > > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM > > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > > > > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an > > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's People. > > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column > > "Where and When Died" is the following. > > 1880 > > February > > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. > > 8h PM > > 5 > > > > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I guess > > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. > > The death above hers has, > > 2h PM > > 1 > > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about > > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. > > > > Colin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Colin The NLS doesn't have him listed unless he was in the royal navy, but I have two sources that say he was a Sgt, in the Royal Artillery and I can't get to Kew to find out. Thanks for the thought, but I'm in Oklahoma, US on a thin budget. so until it comes on line I'm stuck. Michael On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au>wrote: > Michael, have you tried looking for the military records for George which > should tell you where he enlisted and possibly other details? > > Colin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael paton > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:10 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > Thanks for the reply Collin. These people were in Northumber, England, But > I > believe George was a Sgt in the Royal Artillery and may have been > stationed > around there. > Michael > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Colin Liddell <caplid@optusnet.com.au > >wrote: > > > Michael, > > > > Sorry those names do not ring any bells. > > > > My LIDDELL line comes from Stirlingshire and I am only back to the birth > of > > my gg grandfather James a tailor who was born 14th February 1808. His > father > > was there for the conception and the registration of the birth in the > Church > > Register and then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.{;-( > > > > Colin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: michael paton > > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > > > > Collin > > I think your right, at least that would be my opinion. > > I have a question for you. Do you have a marriage between a GEORGE > > PATON > > and ELIZABETH LIDDLE 1785 If this is part of your family I'd like to > know > > if > > George was a soldier and exchange information. I'm hoping you are that > far > > back. > > Michael Paton > > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Colin Liddell < > caplid@optusnet.com.au > > >wrote: > > > > > Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my > own > > > question. > > > The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number > of > > > where she lived. > > > It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h > 15m > > > that I realised. > > > > > > If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) > > > > > > Colin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Colin Liddell > > > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM > > > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details > > > > > > > > > I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an > > > extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's > People. > > > On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column > > > "Where and When Died" is the following. > > > 1880 > > > February > > > Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. > > > 8h PM > > > 5 > > > > > > The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I > guess > > > pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. > > > The death above hers has, > > > 2h PM > > > 1 > > > Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about > > > Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just looked at another death registration and find I can answer my own question. The 8h PM means 8pm and the number under that was the street number of where she lived. It was not till I looked at another two where they had 7h 30m and 2h 15m that I realised. If I am wrong about this, I am happy to be told.{;-) Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Liddell To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Death registration Details I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's People. On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column "Where and When Died" is the following. 1880 February Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. 8h PM 5 The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I guess pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. The death above hers has, 2h PM 1 Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. Colin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane, These are the only ones between 1815 and 1835 that I could find, note, none are in Greenock. There are two with the father's name of Andrew and the one whose wife is Jean, this can also be Jane. Might be worth further investigation. These are from Scotland's People and I used my last credit so could not go any further for you. Colin. NoDate Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No.Sex ParishCity/County GROS Data 117/09/1826MILLAR, ANDREW JOHN MILLAR/JEAN THOMSON FR270 EAGLESHAM/RENFREW561/ 0020 0175 2 30/12/1827MILLAR, ANDREW JAMES MILLAR/AGNES ROBERTSON FR1038MPAISLEY BURGH OR LOW/RENFREW573/003 0050 0051 307/09/1828MILLAR, ANDREW ANDREW MILLAR/JEAN LOCHEAD FR2131MABBEY/RENFREW559/ 0060 0270 429/04/1829MILLAR, ANDREW ANDREW MILLAR/ELIZABETH MANN FR2139MABBEY/RENFREW559/ 0060 0286 ----- Original Message ----- From: Diane Essex-Clark To: SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Fw: Andrew Millar of Greenock Hello, I am new to this list and I am hoping that someone may be able to help me. I have hit a brick wall and I know this is a long-shot, but it may be my only way of tracking down my gt x 2 grandfather's birth and finding out who his parents and siblings were. The person I am looking for was called Andrew MILLAR. It is unknown when and how he arrived in Australia. He married Jane Sarah Percival from London on 8 Jan 1853 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. The details on the marriage registration were limited and didn't provide any clues as to his parents or time of arrival in Australia, etc. From his daughter's birth registration, completed by Andrew himself in December 1869, he stated that he was from Grennock, Scotland and and was aged 43. This would put his year of birth at about 1826. However, there are conflicting dates between his death registration and burial age. His death registration on 23 July 1898 listed his age as 70 years but the burial records say he was 77. I am guessing he was born in the second half of 1826. His occupations at various times in Australia were listed as Miner, Labourer and possibly Carpenter. I don't know if the names of his children could shed any light as to his parents. Just incase they were as follows: Andrew 1856 -1891 His Father's Christian name William Percival 1860 -1941 His Mother's maiden name was Percival and Mother s father's name was William James Percival Sarah Jane 1863 -1903 Her Mothers name was Jane Sarah Percival George Adam 1864 -1935 Edward Alfred 1866 - 1919 Albert Ernest 1867 - 1846 Emma Ann 1869 - 1947 Minnie 1872 - ? Hugh 1873 - ? John Henry 1876 - 1879 Any information or possibilities would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Diane Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am new to this list and I am hoping that someone may be able to help me. I have hit a brick wall and I know this is a long-shot, but it may be my only way of tracking down my gt x 2 grandfather's birth and finding out who his parents and siblings were. The person I am looking for was called Andrew MILLAR. It is unknown when and how he arrived in Australia. He married Jane Sarah Percival from London on 8 Jan 1853 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. The details on the marriage registration were limited and didn't provide any clues as to his parents or time of arrival in Australia, etc. From his daughter's birth registration, completed by Andrew himself in December 1869, he stated that he was from Grennock, Scotland and and was aged 43. This would put his year of birth at about 1826. However, there are conflicting dates between his death registration and burial age. His death registration on 23 July 1898 listed his age as 70 years but the burial records say he was 77. I am guessing he was born in the second half of 1826. His occupations at various times in Australia were listed as Miner, Labourer and possibly Carpenter. I don't know if the names of his children could shed any light as to his parents. Just incase they were as follows: Andrew 1856 -1891 His Father's Christian name William Percival 1860 -1941 His Mother's maiden name was Percival and Mother s father's name was William James Percival Sarah Jane 1863 -1903 Her Mothers name was Jane Sarah Percival George Adam 1864 -1935 Edward Alfred 1866 - 1919 Albert Ernest 1867 - 1846 Emma Ann 1869 - 1947 Minnie 1872 - ? Hugh 1873 - ? John Henry 1876 - 1879 Any information or possibilities would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Diane Australia

I am hoping someone on this List is able to explain an item on an extraction of a Death Certificate/Registration from Scotland's People. On my gg grandmother's death certificate/registration, in the column "Where and When Died" is the following. 1880 February Sixteenth, the next part is my guess as it is not real clear. 8h PM 5 The first three are simple, the year, month and day. The next I guess pertains to the time of day but the next has me beat. The death above hers has, 2h PM 1 Can someone please explain to someone who does not know much about Scottish death registrations, what the two lines mean. Colin