I need to reduce my inbox for a time so will be unsubscribing in a few days. Keep up the good work assisting other researchers and good luck with your own. Margaret in Oz

Thanks to all who answered my querie re the above couple, I did reply individually but the messages were returned. Thanks Margaret NZ

Hi If the baptism is registered as 'Abbey' it means they lived in the parish of Abbey not that the ceremony took place in the Abbey church. I cannot get the link to work to show me where you found the info. It may not be unheard of to have an RC baby baptised in a Church of Scotland but it would be very unusual. Scotlandspeople now has early RC baptisms online. If the entry you found on the familysearch site was 'submitted' by a member of the LDS as opposed to being 'extracted' then you need to find it on Scotlandspeople to verify that it actually exists. People did change their religious affiliations ...commonly in order to marry someone of another religion ...so one cannot assume that because a family attended one church in the 20th century that they all attended the same church in the 19th. Irene its not unheard of for catholic families to have children baptised by a > Church of Scotland > minister, maybe there was'nt a catholic priest around at the time. Children > were more than often baptised in the home and the event was recorded in the > parish register. > > > > If someone's birth and christening is recorded as at Abbey, this does > > mean > > the area and not recorded at Abbey Parish church? This is the record I > am > > looking at. My family is RC not Church of Scotland. > > > > > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1819&surname > > > =mcgregor&birthPlaceLoc1=Renfrewshire%2C%20Scotland%2C%20United%20Kingdom&p= > > recordResults&givenName=john&birthPlaceId=1927866&searchType=close > > > > > > > > Gerry McGregor > > > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > > Shall flourish forever." > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi its not unheard of for catholic families to have children baptised by a Church of Scotland minister, maybe there was'nt a catholic priest around at the time. Children were more than often baptised in the home and the event was recorded in the parish register. Hope that helps Margaret NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry McGregor" <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 4:05 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Abbey, Renfrewshire > If someone's birth and christening is recorded as at Abbey, this does > mean > the area and not recorded at Abbey Parish church? This is the record I am > looking at. My family is RC not Church of Scotland. > > > > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1819&surname > =mcgregor&birthPlaceLoc1=Renfrewshire%2C%20Scotland%2C%20United%20Kingdom&p= > recordResults&givenName=john&birthPlaceId=1927866&searchType=close > > > > Gerry McGregor > > "As long as there are leaves in the forest, > and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, > Shall flourish forever." > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandy Thanks for that. Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sandy stevenson Sent: 19 June 2010 18:18 To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Abbey, Renfrewshire That's right it's just the area.  I think but not definite but I don't think all the RC records have gone on line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ________________________________ From: Gerry McGregor <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 19 June, 2010 17:05:49 Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Abbey, Renfrewshire If someone's birth and christening  is recorded as at Abbey, this does mean the area and not recorded at Abbey Parish church?  This is the record I am looking at. My family is RC not Church of Scotland. http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1819&surname =mcgregor&birthPlaceLoc1=Renfrewshire%2C%20Scotland%2C%20United%20Kingdom&p= recordResults&givenName=john&birthPlaceId=1927866&searchType=close Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's right it's just the area.  I think but not definite but I don't think all the RC records have gone on line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ________________________________ From: Gerry McGregor <gerry@mc-gregor.org.uk> To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 19 June, 2010 17:05:49 Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Abbey, Renfrewshire If someone's birth and christening  is recorded as at Abbey, this does mean the area and not recorded at Abbey Parish church?  This is the record I am looking at. My family is RC not Church of Scotland. http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1819&surname =mcgregor&birthPlaceLoc1=Renfrewshire%2C%20Scotland%2C%20United%20Kingdom&p= recordResults&givenName=john&birthPlaceId=1927866&searchType=close Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If someone's birth and christening is recorded as at Abbey, this does mean the area and not recorded at Abbey Parish church? This is the record I am looking at. My family is RC not Church of Scotland. http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#birthYear=1819&surname =mcgregor&birthPlaceLoc1=Renfrewshire%2C%20Scotland%2C%20United%20Kingdom&p= recordResults&givenName=john&birthPlaceId=1927866&searchType=close Gerry McGregor "As long as there are leaves in the forest, and foam on the river, McGregor's despite them, Shall flourish forever."

Hi again, Sharon There is a record of a birth/baptism of an Elisabeth Cochran to John Cochran and Jean Paterson on the Scotlands People birth index. She was born or baptised on 4 February 1827 in Paisley Burgh or Low, Renfrewshire. The image of the entry in the parish register may be downloaded from the Scotlands People website. Rhoda

Hi Sharon I will send you the image of the marriage registration offlist. This shows that at the time of her marriage in 1846, Elizabeth was of the parish of Houston and Killelan. It doesn't mean that she was born there. Houston is not all that far away from the town of Johnstone. The Elizabeth in the 1841 Census in Houston was born between 1822 and 1826. Your Elizabeth in the Dalry census was born c 1825. It was not unknown for people of Irish origin to deny their Irish roots in censuses. There was such a huge influx of Irish immigration in the 1840s and 1850s that they weren't too popular with the resident Scottish population. One of my Great Grandfathers appears in different times in the Kilbarchan censuses as born Ireland or born Lochwinnoch. I have no idea which is correct. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Marconi" <slmarconi@prodigy.net> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Young and Cochrane Hello Rhoda, Thanks so much for your efforts on my behalf. Unfortunately, I have ruled out the family you listed. My Elizabeth stated in the 1861 Dalry census that she was born in "Renfrewshire Johnstone" and was 36 yo. I also learned that her mother was Jennie Paterson, but have not been able to document that. Thanks again, Sharon --- On Fri, 6/18/10, CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> wrote:

Diane,        You should be able to find David Wilson's death on scotlandspeople (google it), since it occurred after 1855.  That should give his parent's names.  For his wife, hope you can find one of her siblings dying after 1855.  You might find their deaths on scotlandspeople too.   Marc --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Diane Graham <meregra@cableone.net> wrote: From: Diane Graham <meregra@cableone.net> Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] WILSON/MC INDOE/Paisley To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 2:59 PM David Wilson (4th G Grandfather) was b. 1762 Paisley, Abbey Parish,  Renfrew, Scotland d. 1858 Paisley. m. 1783 at Renfrew to Isobel MCINDOE who d. 1842 Renfrewshire. David and Isobel were said to be cousins.  That Isobel's father and  David's mother were brother and sister. David was said to be a ship merchant and a Weaver. 6 children Margaret b. Mar. 27 1785 Barrhead, Renfrew David b. Jan. 20 Renfrew, Scotland Anne b. April 4, 1790 Renfrew John   (perhaps came to the US, and d. in Canada Margaret b. July 15, 1792 Barony, Lanark, Scotland Hugh David b. 28 Feb 1807 (my ancestor) (came to the US) d. August 25, 1891 Hendricks County, Indiana m. Amy Harrison May 11, 1828 at Shelby County Kentucky. ========= I would be most interested in any further Wilson or McIndoe  information and want the parents of both David and Isobel. Does anyone have any information about this family?........or  suggestions on where to try next? Thank you Diane Graham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David Wilson (4th G Grandfather) was b. 1762 Paisley, Abbey Parish, Renfrew, Scotland d. 1858 Paisley. m. 1783 at Renfrew to Isobel MCINDOE who d. 1842 Renfrewshire. David and Isobel were said to be cousins. That Isobel's father and David's mother were brother and sister. David was said to be a ship merchant and a Weaver. 6 children Margaret b. Mar. 27 1785 Barrhead, Renfrew David b. Jan. 20 Renfrew, Scotland Anne b. April 4, 1790 Renfrew John (perhaps came to the US, and d. in Canada Margaret b. July 15, 1792 Barony, Lanark, Scotland Hugh David b. 28 Feb 1807 (my ancestor) (came to the US) d. August 25, 1891 Hendricks County, Indiana m. Amy Harrison May 11, 1828 at Shelby County Kentucky. ========= I would be most interested in any further Wilson or McIndoe information and want the parents of both David and Isobel. Does anyone have any information about this family?........or suggestions on where to try next? Thank you Diane Graham

Hello Sharon I had a look at the (image of) marriage registration on Scotlands People and Elizabeth was of the parish of Houston and Killelan, Bridge of Weir, Renfrewshire. I found a family in the 1841 Census living in Houston and Killelan, which might include your Elizabeth. John COCHRAN, 40, agricultural labourer, born Ireland Mary Cochran, 40, born Ireland Elizabeth COCHRAN, 15, servant, born Ireland Jane Cochran, 14, cotton worker, born Ireland Ann Cochran, 12, cotton worker, born Ireland John Cochran, 10, cotton worker, born Ireland Mary Cochran, 8, born Ireland James Cochran, 3, born Ireland (There are no 'relationships' in the 1841 Census and the ages of adults - 15 and over - were rounded down to the nearest unit of 5. So Elizabeth could have been aged from 15 to 19. But I think you can assume that this is a family unit and that they had recently arrived from Ireland). Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Marconi" <slmarconi@prodigy.net> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Young and Cochrane Hello all. I also have an Elizabeth Cochrane b. about 1827, married George Barr and emigrated to the USA. Death certificate lists her father as John Cochrane, but I have not been able to place her with the correct family. Sharon Marconi

Hello Rhoda,   Thanks so much for your efforts on my behalf.  Unfortunately, I have ruled out the family you listed.  My Elizabeth stated in the 1861 Dalry census that she was born in "Renfrewshire Johnstone"  and was 36 yo.  I also learned that her mother was Jennie Paterson, but have not been able to document that.  Thanks again, Sharon --- On Fri, 6/18/10, CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> wrote: From: CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Young and Cochrane To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 6:54 AM Hello Sharon I had a look at the (image of) marriage registration on Scotlands People and Elizabeth was of the parish of Houston and Killelan, Bridge of Weir, Renfrewshire. I found a family in the 1841 Census living in Houston and Killelan, which might include your Elizabeth. John COCHRAN, 40, agricultural labourer, born Ireland Mary Cochran, 40, born Ireland Elizabeth COCHRAN, 15, servant, born Ireland Jane Cochran, 14, cotton worker, born Ireland Ann Cochran, 12, cotton worker, born Ireland John Cochran, 10, cotton worker, born Ireland Mary Cochran, 8, born Ireland James Cochran, 3, born Ireland (There are no 'relationships' in the 1841 Census and the ages of adults - 15 and over - were rounded down to the nearest unit of 5. So Elizabeth could have been aged from 15 to 19. But I think you can assume that this is a family unit and that they had recently arrived from Ireland). Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Marconi" <slmarconi@prodigy.net> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Young and Cochrane Hello all. I also have an Elizabeth Cochrane b. about 1827, married George Barr and emigrated to the USA. Death certificate lists her father as John Cochrane, but I have not been able to place her with the correct family. Sharon Marconi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Nivard. Have done so Clare In a message dated 18/06/2010 08:24:27 GMT Daylight Time, sct-renfrew-request@rootsweb.com writes: Hi Clare You might like to have a virtual wander around via street view on googlemaps Enter King Street Port Glasgow for example Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Rhoda, Thank you so much for all that info. Its very good of you....I do have some of it, but I am very interested in one in New Jersey. I shall see if I can follow him up. Thanks again, Betty S (OZ)

Hello > I have a Elizabeth Cochrane born about 1811 married William Watt Sorry this is all i know Kind regards jean

I located names of deceased persons on the recently distributed www.findagraveinscotland.com site that could be my ancestors; however, the information contained on the site does not include the death dates or ages of the deceased.  I have not been able find out when the cemetery in Johnstone Eldlerslie was established to determine if these could be my ancestors who died in the late 1800s and early 1900s.  Can any kind soul on this list help?   Thanks, Sharon Marconi

Response to The Pools about James Young and Jane Cochran. I have a copy of the Archive Book CD A Parish History of Kilbarchan which includes the 1695 Poll Tax Roll taken 28 Oct 1695. I have checked it for any names of Young and Cochran and offer them here in case your research has taken you back to the ancestors of James and Jane. The following names are in the Johnstone area and lands surrounding. I hope it is of assistance and recommend to anyone with Kilbarchan ancestors to purchase a copy of the CD through Archive CD Books (you can do it online). John COCHRANE wife Agnes HOUSTONE of Hill, Kilbarchan John COCHRANE wife Marie ORR of Hardgate, Kilbarchan John COCHRANE wife Mary ARTHUR of Aikens, Kilbarchan Hugh COCHRANE - Portioner - wife Margaret Cochrane and their children, Jean, Elizabeth, Ann, Robert, John and Alexander. Jean YOUNG Thomas YOUNG - Merchant - wife Margaret VEITCH John YOUNG - workman - wife Elspeth FYFE James YOUNG wife Jean CALDWELL and dau Margaret and bro William. All the best Margaret in Oz (across the Ditch) ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Young and Cochrane > Hi list > > James Young of Lochwinnoch marr Jane Cochran in thwe parish of Kilbarchan > Dec 1761. they had the following children all baptised Kilbarchan.

Hello all.  I also have an Elizabeth Cochrane b. about 1827, married George Barr and emigrated to the USA.  Death certificate lists her father as John Cochrane, but I have not been able to place her with the correct family.    Sharon Marconi   --- On Wed, 6/16/10, jean old <old.jean@gmail.com> wrote: From: jean old <old.jean@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Young and Cochrane To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 9:32 PM Hello > I have a Elizabeth Cochrane born about 1811 married William Watt Sorry this is all i know Kind regards jean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Clare You might like to have a virtual wander around via street view on googlemaps Enter King Street Port Glasgow for example Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good morning, everyone. I am visiting Port Glasgow this coming Monday or > Tuesday to see if there are any buildings at all dating from the late > eighteenth/early nineteenth centuries when the Crighton family lived > there. I > know there are no family gravestones and where they had a shop (corner of > Lyons Lane and King Street) is under tarmac! However, perhaps the > Presbyterian > church or a pub or two from that time might survive? > > Very grateful for any suggestions. > > Clare in Oxford, UK