Hello Colleen I understand it was not uncommon practice for a child by a second wife to be named for the deceased wife, certainly in the 19th century and beyond. I realise it is surprising to hear of a child being called after the father's new wife, but things must have been very different then. It was a time when naming patterns took precedence - and when there was a far higher chance your partner or children would die young than today. A sad fact of life that I know I find hard to appreciate. I have seen a number of children named for the deceased partner and as many as three children in a given family with the same first name, when an earlier-born sibling by that name had died. Even here in Holland and in the 20th century, my mother in law had three sisters named Catherine, two of whom survived! OK, so they had different calling names. In Scotland, where children were and are regularly given family surnames as middle names, it would not at all have been strange for a child to bear the full name of the previous partner, plus the father's surname. Of course, from where we're standing, it can further complicate the quest to find our ancestors, but sometimes it can even be a help. Enjoy the trail of what they call Scotland's Greatest Story: our own. Katie de Haan The Netherlands --Original Message-- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colleen Covacich Sent: vrijdag 23 juli 2010 21:04 To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Ancestry query - McMillan <<<I find it quite incredible that James Allan McMillan marries first to Elizabeth Munro then after her death marries Margaret Campbell and calls one of their children Elizabeth Munro McMillan who apparently marries Robert Waddell. I wonder how many wives today would allow that! or am I wrong? body of the message>>>

Hi Julie The 1841 to 1901 Scotland census on Ancestry is a transcription not just an index A colourful transcription at times granted but a transcription none the less But as with all transcripts we should always view the original page it was made from Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Colleen, The Scotland census at Ancestry.com is an index only, but does > include name, age, occupation if one is given and birth place, along with > the address for the entry. To view the actual page, you would have to do > so thru Scotland's People site. Also remember that the online IGI only > goes up to 1875, in most cases. Regards, Julie

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Covacich" <paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 3:03 PM To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Ancestry query - McMillan > Excuse my ignorance but what does (sic) mean? Colleen in sunny NZ > with the odd rain cloud. > Colleen, Not ignorant at all. >From a web definition... Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a manner". In writing, it is placed within the quoted material, in square brackets - or outside it, in regular parentheses - and usually italicized - [sic] - to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation ... Dave

Unfortunately, not. I believe my immigrant ancestor, Archibald McMillan, was the same Archibald b c 1776 that had brothers Thomas b c 1778 and Colin & James [twins] b 1784 all born Port Glasgow. Their parents were Colin McMillan b c 1745 & Annabel Mathews. Dave -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Covacich" <paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:52 PM To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] census - Ancestry query > James Allan McMillan's parents are Neil McMillan, Clothlapper and Jessie > Allan. > If you see a connection please let me know. Thanks Colleen. >

Do you know James' parents? Dave McMillan -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Covacich" <paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:57 PM To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] census - Ancestry query > Many thanks to all who replied re my query. From all the information > given to me I can now say that James Allan McMillan did marry again to > Margaret Campbell in 1850 in Gorbals, Lanark. I had only looked at the > Paisley census index so had missed that. > I now know that James McMillan died 1888 Paisley, - > and his new wife Margaret (Campbell) McMillan died 1886 Paisley. > children born to them in Paisley - Jessie b. 1856, James 1857, and Ann > b. 1859. > > James death certificate has the informant as Robert Waddell as son in law, > so no idea who he marries. Had a look on the IGI but could not see it. > > I really appreciate so much all the help given as it has given me so much > more information. Just one query - can you look this up on Ancestry or > did you go to another source. Would be delighted to hear. Thanks so > much. Colleen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Colleen, The Scotland census at Ancestry.com is an index only, but does include name, age, occupation if one is given and birth place, along with the address for the entry. To view the actual page, you would have to do so thru Scotland's People site. Also remember that the online IGI only goes up to 1875, in most cases. Regards, Julie

Colleen, I looked at the Scottish Census on Ancestry to see if I could find a Robert WADDELL married to one of the daughters and nothing showed. I then did a search for a marriage on Scotlands People for a Robert WADDELL to a McMillan and there was one match. I have run out of credits so could not see who it was. If you register and buy 30 credits it will cost you 6GBP converted to NZ is $12-74. This allows you 30 page credits over 90 days, cheap at half the price.{;-) Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Covacich To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:57 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] census - Ancestry query Many thanks to all who replied re my query. From all the information given to me I can now say that James Allan McMillan did marry again to Margaret Campbell in 1850 in Gorbals, Lanark. I had only looked at the Paisley census index so had missed that. I now know that James McMillan died 1888 Paisley, - and his new wife Margaret (Campbell) McMillan died 1886 Paisley. children born to them in Paisley - Jessie b. 1856, James 1857, and Ann b. 1859. James death certificate has the informant as Robert Waddell as son in law, so no idea who he marries. Had a look on the IGI but could not see it. I really appreciate so much all the help given as it has given me so much more information. Just one query - can you look this up on Ancestry or did you go to another source. Would be delighted to hear. Thanks so much. Colleen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to all who replied re my query. From all the information given to me I can now say that James Allan McMillan did marry again to Margaret Campbell in 1850 in Gorbals, Lanark. I had only looked at the Paisley census index so had missed that. I now know that James McMillan died 1888 Paisley, - and his new wife Margaret (Campbell) McMillan died 1886 Paisley. children born to them in Paisley - Jessie b. 1856, James 1857, and Ann b. 1859. James death certificate has the informant as Robert Waddell as son in law, so no idea who he marries. Had a look on the IGI but could not see it. I really appreciate so much all the help given as it has given me so much more information. Just one query - can you look this up on Ancestry or did you go to another source. Would be delighted to hear. Thanks so much. Colleen

Hi Coleen Transcriptions of all the Scottish and other UK censuses are on Ancestry (1841 to 1901). But there are no images for the Scottish censuses as there are for England and Wales. The Scottish General Register Office does not allow Ancestry to display the images. The transcriptions of the Scottish censuses do give occupations and addresses. But some of the transcriptions, particularly of the 1841 and 1871 censuses, are very poor. There is an excuse for the 1841 census as some of the originals were almost illegible. But some of the awful, and they are truly awful, 1871 mis-transcriptions could only have come about because the transcribers were either drunk or having a laugh because the originals that I have looked at were usually very easy to read. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Covacich" <paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:57 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] census - Ancestry query > > I really appreciate so much all the help given as it has given me so much > more information. Just one query - can you look this up on Ancestry or > did you go to another source. Would be delighted to hear. Thanks so > much. Colleen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could someone tell me that if you are a member of Ancestry - are you able to look at every census and if so does it say apart from the name and age what occupation etc? I am trying to trace James McMillan who married Elizabeth Munro in Paisley 1843. Children: Margaret McMillan b. Nov 1845 Paisley and Alexander McMillan b. Dec 1847 Paisley. their mother Elizabeth died in children 1849 Paisley. so there could be another child? James McMillan was a Spirit dealer. I wonder if he remarried. I have worked out he died between 1867 and 1881. I know his daughter Margaret McMillan survives as she marries in 1867 to Robert Wright. I have the 1851 census index here but cannot find James with his daughter Margaret, so who brought her up etc. The index only gives name and age, no occupation. Someone has suggested if a member of Ancestry you can look at all the census. is this true? Many thanks Colleen

Colleen, If this is your chap it looks as though he married again, the only downside is his occupation of Hat Presser, the names seem to match up though. Colin. Name: Margaret Mcmillan Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Margaret Gender: Female Where born: Paisley, Renfrew Parish Number: 644/2 Civil parish: Gorbals County: Lanarkshire Address: Malta Street No 17 ED: 22A Page: 19 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 68 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1851_165 Household Members: Name Age James Mcmillan 29 Margaret Mcmillan 33 Margaret Mcmillan 5 Alexander Mcmillan 3 Alice Cumming 14 I also found this one where she is the grandaughter, worth considering. Name: Margaret Mcmillan Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter) Gender: Female Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire Parish Number: 652 Civil parish: Old Monkland Town: Calderbank County: Lanarkshire Address: Stone Row N 28 Occupation: Scholar ED: 29 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 34 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_171 Household Members: Name Age William Walker 61 Margaret Walker 58 Ann Urquhart 35 James Urquhart 45 Margaret Mcmillan 4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Covacich To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] census on ancestry Could someone tell me that if you are a member of Ancestry - are you able to look at every census and if so does it say apart from the name and age what occupation etc? I am trying to trace James McMillan who married Elizabeth Munro in Paisley 1843. Children: Margaret McMillan b. Nov 1845 Paisley and Alexander McMillan b. Dec 1847 Paisley. their mother Elizabeth died in children 1849 Paisley. so there could be another child? James McMillan was a Spirit dealer. I wonder if he remarried. I have worked out he died between 1867 and 1881. I know his daughter Margaret McMillan survives as she marries in 1867 to Robert Wright. I have the 1851 census index here but cannot find James with his daughter Margaret, so who brought her up etc. The index only gives name and age, no occupation. Someone has suggested if a member of Ancestry you can look at all the census. is this true? Many thanks Colleen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Colleen I recommend getting the death certificate as it has a lot of information, especially James's parents if you don't know them. This can be done relatively cheaply through _www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk_ (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) I looked up the marriage for you 1888 Robert Timpnay (sic) Waddell married Elizabeth Munro McMillan Glasgow Lanark You would have to purchase 30 credits at £6, and 6 each would get you the death and marriage certificates (1 for the look-up and 1 to see the certificate). Best wishes Clare in cloudy but still rainless Oxford In a message dated 22/07/2010 08:16:22 GMT Daylight Time, sct-renfrew-request@rootsweb.com writes: James death certificate has the informant as Robert Waddell as son in law, so no idea who he marries. Had a look on the IGI but could not see it.

Colleen I found the same ones as Colin but there was one more in the 1861 Lochwinnock census James McMillan Spirit dealer b 1816 with a Jane McMillan aged 50, Eliza McMillan 21 Margaret McMillan 12 and two visitors Agnes12 and Elizabeth 5 Reid Do you know where Margaret got married? Donna On 21/07/2010 5:56 PM, Colin Liddell wrote: > Colleen, > > If this is your chap it looks as though he married again, the only downside is his occupation of Hat Presser, the names seem to match up though. > Colin. > > Name: Margaret Mcmillan > Age: 5 > Estimated birth year: abt 1846 > Relationship: Daughter > Father's Name: James > Mother's Name: Margaret > Gender: Female > Where born: Paisley, Renfrew > Parish Number: 644/2 > Civil parish: Gorbals > County: Lanarkshire > Address: Malta Street No 17 ED: 22A > Page: 19 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 68 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1851_165 Household Members: > Name Age > James Mcmillan 29 > Margaret Mcmillan 33 > Margaret Mcmillan 5 > Alexander Mcmillan 3 > Alice Cumming 14 > > > > > > > I also found this one where she is the grandaughter, worth considering. > Name: Margaret Mcmillan > Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 > Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter) > Gender: Female > Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire > Parish Number: 652 > Civil parish: Old Monkland Town: Calderbank > County: Lanarkshire Address: Stone Row N 28 > Occupation: Scholar ED: 29 Page: 12 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 34 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_171 Household Members: > Name Age > William Walker 61 > Margaret Walker 58 > Ann Urquhart 35 > James Urquhart 45 > Margaret Mcmillan 4 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colleen Covacich > To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:47 AM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] census on ancestry > > > Could someone tell me that if you are a member of Ancestry - are you able to look at every census and if so does it say apart from the name and age what occupation etc? > > I am trying to trace James McMillan who married Elizabeth Munro in Paisley 1843. > Children: Margaret McMillan b. Nov 1845 Paisley and > Alexander McMillan b. Dec 1847 Paisley. > their mother Elizabeth died in children 1849 Paisley. so there could be another child? > > James McMillan was a Spirit dealer. I wonder if he remarried. I have worked out he died between 1867 and 1881. I know his daughter Margaret McMillan survives as she marries in 1867 to Robert Wright. > I have the 1851 census index here but cannot find James with his daughter Margaret, so who brought her up etc. The index only gives name and age, no occupation. Someone has suggested if a member of Ancestry you can look at all the census. is this true? > Many thanks Colleen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The following information I need help with as have exhausted all my options on this side of the world. Death of Mary KYLES/FYLES/SYLES/KYLE age in 1841 census 45 married to Angus... maiden name STEWART died after 1841 census and before 1848, was in Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire on married in 1840 and in 1841 census. Death of Charles LONGMUIR last "seen" in 1841 census at Houston & Killellan aged 30 years with wife Juidy 25 and 1 year old daughter Elisabeth. In 1851 census Ju(i)dy was with new husband Angus KYLES and their 1st child Rose Anna............... Marriage of Judy/Judith PATERSON/LONGMUIR to Angus KYLES after death of above Mary. Birth Rose or Rose Ann or Rose Anna KYLES born apparently in Irvine 1848/1849 of parents Judy PATERSON and Angus KYLES I have all the information on Angus and Mary except for death, I have all the information on Judy and Angus except their marriage and I have Rose Anna in Census records but can't find her birth. Thanks in advance Glenda

I have Alexander RULE married Elizabeth REID 1804 Paisley - their children all b. Paisley Jean RULE b. 1805 James RULE b. 1809 John RULE nb. 1811 married Margaret MUNRO 1833 Paisley their chn - Alexander RULE b. 1834, James rule B. 1836 married Helen Wilson Geddes John Rule b. 1837 Alexander Stevenson RULE b. 1839 Ewing RULE married Robert Munro 1869 Glasgow Catherine RULE b. 1843 John Robertson RULE b.1845 Glagow marr Elizabeth Sophia Gibbs in Canada Margaret RULE b. 1847 Glasgow Alexander Pettigrew RULE b. 1850 Glasgow came to NZ marr Clara Jenkins Clarke 1887. Anyone researching the RULE family? Thanks Colleen

Thank you to those who replied abt my "returning mail". Maybe there have been no messages for 3 days so maybe I will use this opportunity to ask is anyone researching Archibald Wright and his wife Margaret Adam who married 1836 in Abbey Paisley and had at least 3 children (probably more) namely 1. William Wright b. 1839 Paisley 2. Robert A Wright b. 1842 Paisley married Margaret McMillan 1867 Paisley and had children all in Paisley - Margaret Campbell Wright b. 1868, Catherine Adam Wright b. 1873 Bessie Wright b. 1877 Robert Wright b. 1879 William Wright b. 1881 3. Catherine Wright b. 1847 Paisley married James Wylie 1872 Paisley - their children b. Paisley Margaret Wylie b. 1872 Janet Wylie b. 1872 Janet Wylie b. 1874 Archibald Wylie b. 1878 I have tracked them till the 1881 census but is anyone out there tracing the same families as I would love to go further? Many thanks Colleen

Yes your message got through Colleen, the list does seem to have been quiet Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Covacich" <paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] James Young and Jane Cochran >I too have had messages returned over the last few weeks even though I was > merely replying. Tried creating a new message and still returned. I am > also from NZ. > Now I have not had one message from this site for 3 days. Is the RFW site > quiet at the moment or is there a problem here. Please reply so I know > the > internet is at least working. Thanks Colleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz> > To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:54 PM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] James Young and Jane Cochran > > >> Thanks to all who answered my querie re the above couple, I did reply >> individually but the messages were returned. >> >> Thanks >> Margaret >> NZ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too have had messages returned over the last few weeks even though I was merely replying. Tried creating a new message and still returned. I am also from NZ. Now I have not had one message from this site for 3 days. Is the RFW site quiet at the moment or is there a problem here. Please reply so I know the internet is at least working. Thanks Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] James Young and Jane Cochran > Thanks to all who answered my querie re the above couple, I did reply > individually but the messages were returned. > > Thanks > Margaret > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Colleen, I have received your message on RootsWeb regards, John Carswell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Covacich" <paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] James Young and Jane Cochran >I too have had messages returned over the last few weeks even though I was > merely replying. Tried creating a new message and still returned. I am > also from NZ. > Now I have not had one message from this site for 3 days. Is the RFW site > quiet at the moment or is there a problem here. Please reply so I know > the > internet is at least working. Thanks Colleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz> > To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:54 PM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] James Young and Jane Cochran > > >> Thanks to all who answered my querie re the above couple, I did reply >> individually but the messages were returned. >> >> Thanks >> Margaret >> NZ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Colleen, You may not be receiving messages "from the other side" but we are getting yours! Tom On 29 June 2010 21:14, Colleen Covacich <paisleycolleen@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > I too have had messages returned over the last few weeks even though I was > merely replying. Tried creating a new message and still returned. I am > also from NZ. > Now I have not had one message from this site for 3 days. Is the RFW site > quiet at the moment or is there a problem here. Please reply so I know > the > internet is at least working. Thanks Colleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Pools" <p.ml.pool@xtra.co.nz> > To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:54 PM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] James Young and Jane Cochran > > > > Thanks to all who answered my querie re the above couple, I did reply > > individually but the messages were returned. > > > > Thanks > > Margaret > > NZ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >