Dear Listers, I may have an opportunity to go to Greenock West next week and am looking for the location of the address 12 High Vennel Lambs Land from 1851. Does anyone have an old map of Greenock West and can share the location of this address? I would be grateful for the help! Sincerely, Sandy Lovell

I have John Stevenson & Jean Wilson's son William in my Tree, he married Ann Ferguson in Ayrshire in 1822. He was born immediately after John. On Ancestry there is a tree with all his siblings, including John but no further information on him. John Stevenson and Jean married 5th June 1784 at Neilston. William died at Craighouse, Beith in 1869 Doesn't help much I am afraid Marion >m: J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> >Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] John Stevenson b 17 April 1785 >To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com, sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com, > sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <368942.70067.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >John Stevenson was born 17 April 1785, first son of John Stevenson and Jean >Wilson of Oldbarn (Auldbarn) or Old Barn, Neilston (very near to Caldwell >Tower).? For some time I have believed that John was married to Jean Wark >and family links made me more confident about this.? However I have recently >found the death of John,?widower of Jean Wark?in 1870 in Renfrew, >Renfrewshire at the home is son in law Andrew Bennie.? It names his parents >as John Stevenson and Jean Wylie.?? So does anyone know what happened to >John Stevenson b 1785 in Neilston? >Thank you >Johan >Researching Carswell, Stevenson, McKay, and Sharp in Neilston/Barrhead area > > > >

Thank you Marion and other listers, I am having difficulty with John and I appreciate all the advice from the list, the death cert may indeed be wrong. Marion, I already have info on William's son Peter and daughters Janet, Jean, Margaret and Mary.  If you have any info on John b 1826, Ann b 1827 and William b 1834 I would very much appreciate exchanging info with you Regards Johan ----- Original Message ---- From: Marion Affleck <homie@iinet.net.au> To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 21 August, 2010 13:40:36 Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] John Stevenson I have John Stevenson  & Jean Wilson's son William in my Tree, he married Ann Ferguson in Ayrshire in 1822. He was born immediately after John. On Ancestry there is a tree with all his siblings, including John but no further information on him. John Stevenson and Jean married 5th June 1784 at Neilston. William died at Craighouse, Beith in 1869 Doesn't  help much I am afraid Marion

Ooops! Re my message below. I have just realised that I had the wrong woman. The one below was the Aunt of the other and this one was indeed 31 in 1906. So the info on the marriage and death certificates was correct and my message below is complete nonsense. "Just a postscript to the recent discussions on the accuracy of information on BMDs (re message from Johan Lochridge about John Stevenson b1785). I have just come across someone who was entered on her marriage certificate as 15 years older than her actual age. This woman was 16 when she married in 1906. I have seen her birth certificate. She was born in 1890, and there is no question that the woman on the 1906 marriage certificate is the same person (same parents and her sister was one of the witnesses). But she is entered on her marriage certificate as aged 31. Her bridegroom was 29 (on the marriage certificate). I thought her age might be a slip of the pen but when she died in 1966 her age was recorded as 91 (when she was actually 76). I have no idea whether she lived a lie all her married life, or whether the informant used the marriage certificate as proof of identity. I will have to wait for the 1911 census to find out. But I find it difficult to believe that any woman would want to be taken as 15 years older than her actual age. It would be almost impossible to find this woman's birth certificate if all you had was her marriage and death certificates indicating that she was born in 1875". Rhoda

Just a postscript to the recent discussions on the accuracy of information on BMDs (re message from Johan Lochridge about John Stevenson b1785). I have just come across someone who was entered on her marriage certificate as 15 years older than her actual age. This woman was 16 when she married in 1906. I have seen her birth certificate. She was born in 1890, and there is no question that the woman on the 1906 marriage certificate is the same person (same parents and her sister was one of the witnesses). But she is entered on her marriage certificate as aged 31. Her bridegroom was 29 (on the marriage certificate). I thought her age might be a slip of the pen but when she died in 1966 her age was recorded as 91 (when she was actually 76). I have no idea whether she lived a lie all her married life, or whether the informant used the marriage certificate as proof of identity. I will have to wait for the 1911 census to find out. But I find it difficult to believe that any woman would want to be taken as 15 years older than her actual age. It would be almost impossible to find this woman's birth certificate if all you had was her marriage and death certificates indicating that she was born in 1875. Rhoda

Hi Assuming that you've proved that the informant Andrew Bennie is the son in law of the John Stevenston who was married to Jean Wark (eg by finding the death cert of his wife Jean/Jane Stevenson) then you need to chase up both the John Stevenson born in 1785 in Neilston to John S and Jean Wilson and the John Stevenson born in 1777 in Dunlop Ayrshire to John Stevenson and Jean Wylie. In the 1870 death was the age consistent with being born in 1786 or 1777? Where did your John give as his birthplace in the censuses? There's 83 year old John Stevenson still living in Dunlop in 1861. Irene On 18 August 2010 19:03, J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> wrote: > John Stevenson was born 17 April 1785, first son of John Stevenson and Jean > Wilson of Oldbarn (Auldbarn) or Old Barn, Neilston (very near to Caldwell > Tower). For some time I have believed that John was married to Jean Wark > and > family links made me more confident about this. However I have recently > found > the death of John, widower of Jean Wark in 1870 in Renfrew, Renfrewshire at > the > home is son in law Andrew Bennie. It names his parents as John Stevenson > and > Jean Wylie. So does anyone know what happened to John Stevenson b 1785 in > Neilston? > Thank you > Johan > Researching Carswell, Stevenson, McKay, and Sharp in Neilston/Barrhead area > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would concur with Rhoda's comments; I have tracked some families from birth, census, marriage and death. So I know what's going on and can ignore mis-reporting. Parents of the deceased are reported by whom, a g'son/dau in law or g'son/dau. They can make mistakes. However something to check. Do the purported parents have a marriage, does the deceased match one of their kids. If so then you can be pretty sure the names are correct. If not, you have several options. Names reported wrongly. Individual not baptised. Baptised but books didn't survive. Welcome to the challenge of matching fallible paper records to blood! Regards, Don McArthur. Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:03:35 +0000 (GMT) From: J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] John Stevenson b 17 April 1785 To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com, sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com, sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <368942.70067.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 John Stevenson was born 17 April 1785, first son of John Stevenson and Jean Wilson of Oldbarn (Auldbarn) or Old Barn, Neilston (very near to Caldwell Tower).? For some time I have believed that John was married to Jean Wark and family links made me more confident about this.? However I have recently found the death of John,?widower of Jean Wark?in 1870 in Renfrew, Renfrewshire at the home is son in law Andrew Bennie.? It names his parents as John Stevenson and Jean Wylie.?? So does anyone know what happened to John Stevenson b 1785 in Neilston? Thank you Johan Researching Carswell, Stevenson, McKay, and Sharp in Neilston/Barrhead area

Got a failure notice on this so trying again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] John Stevenson b 17 April 1785 > Hello Johan > > I wouldn't rely on the accuracy of the names of the deceased's parents on > death certificates. I have come across a number in my tree where the names > have been entered wrongly. I suppose it depended to a certain extent on > the knowledge of the informant, and how close he/she was to the deceased. > But I have found that even children of the deceased could give the wrong > info about their grandparents. Still happens today. My husband who was the > informant of his father's death, got his father's middle names in the > wrong order! > > Rhoda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J LOCHRIDGE" <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> > To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com>; <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com>; > <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:03 PM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] John Stevenson b 17 April 1785 > > > John Stevenson was born 17 April 1785, first son of John Stevenson and > Jean > Wilson of Oldbarn (Auldbarn) or Old Barn, Neilston (very near to Caldwell > Tower). For some time I have believed that John was married to Jean Wark > and > family links made me more confident about this. However I have recently > found > the death of John, widower of Jean Wark in 1870 in Renfrew, Renfrewshire > at the > home is son in law Andrew Bennie. It names his parents as John Stevenson > and > Jean Wylie. So does anyone know what happened to John Stevenson b 1785 in > Neilston? > Thank you > Johan > Researching Carswell, Stevenson, McKay, and Sharp in Neilston/Barrhead > area > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John Stevenson was born 17 April 1785, first son of John Stevenson and Jean Wilson of Oldbarn (Auldbarn) or Old Barn, Neilston (very near to Caldwell Tower).  For some time I have believed that John was married to Jean Wark and family links made me more confident about this.  However I have recently found the death of John, widower of Jean Wark in 1870 in Renfrew, Renfrewshire at the home is son in law Andrew Bennie.  It names his parents as John Stevenson and Jean Wylie.   So does anyone know what happened to John Stevenson b 1785 in Neilston? Thank you Johan Researching Carswell, Stevenson, McKay, and Sharp in Neilston/Barrhead area

Sorry for multiple posting! Johan ----- Original Message ---- From: J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com; sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com; sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 18 August, 2010 19:03:35 Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] John Stevenson b 17 April 1785 John Stevenson was born 17 April 1785, first son of John Stevenson and Jean Wilson of Oldbarn (Auldbarn) or Old Barn, Neilston (very near to Caldwell Tower).  For some time I have believed that John was married to Jean Wark and family links made me more confident about this.  However I have recently found the death of John, widower of Jean Wark in 1870 in Renfrew, Renfrewshire at the home is son in law Andrew Bennie.  It names his parents as John Stevenson and Jean Wylie.   So does anyone know what happened to John Stevenson b 1785 in Neilston? Thank you Johan Researching Carswell, Stevenson, McKay, and Sharp in Neilston/Barrhead area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there anything like this for Paisley area? Thanks Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bell" <bambigods@gmail.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Greenock Telegraph > Thank you all for your replies - I will be contacting the Watt Library as > I need a copy of an obituary. > > Many thanks > > Caroline > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Julie Dufault > To: SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com ; bambigods@gmail.com > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Greenock Telegraph > > > Hi All, > > The information given in the Watts Library BMD Index, what has been > transcribed is just what was published in the newspapers. If there an > obituary available, the librarians have made note of the page. > > Regards, > Julie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all for your replies - I will be contacting the Watt Library as I need a copy of an obituary. Many thanks Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Dufault To: SCT-RENFREW@rootsweb.com ; bambigods@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Greenock Telegraph Hi All, The information given in the Watts Library BMD Index, what has been transcribed is just what was published in the newspapers. If there an obituary available, the librarians have made note of the page. Regards, Julie

Doesn't look like there's any recent connection,but there probably is one, although many generations back. My gr.gr.grandfather may have had a brother John MeGunigal,that was the name of one of the Sponsors at Mary McGunigals Christening in 1837..the spelling then was McGonegale ! the other Sponsor was Ann McColl. If you get your research back to DERRY let me know. All the best Frank ~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Keanie" <tcameron1@sympatico.ca> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] McGonigal >I have a John McGunnigle marrying Elizabeth Kenney (Keanie) June 21 1872. > Johns parents were John McGunnigle and Marjorie Davies or Davine. > (Difficult > to discern). > I also show John and Elizabeth in the 1881 census for Main Street, > Lochwinnoch with five children .... John, David, George, Peter and > Rosanna. > The surname in this case is McGinnigall. > Elizabeth would be my Great Grand Aunt. > I do actually remember my Grand Mother mentioning the name McGunnigle from > time to time. > > Best Regards > Brian in Sarnia, ON > >

I have a John McGunnigle marrying Elizabeth Kenney (Keanie) June 21 1872. Johns parents were John McGunnigle and Marjorie Davies or Davine. (Difficult to discern). I also show John and Elizabeth in the 1881 census for Main Street, Lochwinnoch with five children .... John, David, George, Peter and Rosanna. The surname in this case is McGinnigall. Elizabeth would be my Great Grand Aunt. I do actually remember my Grand Mother mentioning the name McGunnigle from time to time. Best Regards Brian in Sarnia, ON -----Original Message----- From: sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-renfrew-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank McGonigal Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:20 PM To: sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] McGonigal Hi Brian Thanks for getting in touch,always good to hear from a McGonigal/McGunnigle etc. researcher Actually my gr.gr.grandfathers name was spelled McGunigal ( Hugh ) when he settled in Glasgow abt.1837. He said he was from Derry in the info that I've been able to collect over the years. Sarah Coyle was his wife and they had two children,Mary b.1837,and John b.1838,,,John went to Ohio with his family in 1874.....I've lost track of Mary There are MANY variations of the name because the enumerators wrote it down as they heard it pronounced. The name originated in Donegal,which is pronounced DUNegal by Irish people..hence McGunigal. Mac Conghail is the original Gaelic name. I don't have any info on any of my clan of McGonigals being in Lochwinnoch..but I do have DEWARs who settled there..one Peter Dewar,..my grandmothers cousin,.. had a grocers shop there in the early 1900s..some others emigrated to Toronto Ontario. I've had my Y DNA done and found more McGonigals ,and others who match but with different names ,but none turned out to be close relatives. Where does McGunnigle fit into your research > Back to You ! Frank in Brampton Ont. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Keanie" <tcameron1@sympatico.ca> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] McGonigal > Hello Frank in Ontario ... you wouldn't happen to have any ancestors from > the Johnstone/Lochwinnoch area would you??? I have a list of McGunnigles > and > I'm wondering if this is just a variation of the same name? > > > > Brian in Ontario. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, The information given in the Watts Library BMD Index, what has been transcribed is just what was published in the newspapers. If there an obituary available, the librarians have made note of the page. Regards, Julie

Hi Brian Thanks for getting in touch,always good to hear from a McGonigal/McGunnigle etc. researcher Actually my gr.gr.grandfathers name was spelled McGunigal ( Hugh ) when he settled in Glasgow abt.1837. He said he was from Derry in the info that I've been able to collect over the years. Sarah Coyle was his wife and they had two children,Mary b.1837,and John b.1838,,,John went to Ohio with his family in 1874.....I've lost track of Mary There are MANY variations of the name because the enumerators wrote it down as they heard it pronounced. The name originated in Donegal,which is pronounced DUNegal by Irish people..hence McGunigal. Mac Conghail is the original Gaelic name. I don't have any info on any of my clan of McGonigals being in Lochwinnoch..but I do have DEWARs who settled there..one Peter Dewar,..my grandmothers cousin,.. had a grocers shop there in the early 1900s..some others emigrated to Toronto Ontario. I've had my Y DNA done and found more McGonigals ,and others who match but with different names ,but none turned out to be close relatives. Where does McGunnigle fit into your research > Back to You ! Frank in Brampton Ont. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Keanie" <tcameron1@sympatico.ca> To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:50 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] McGonigal > Hello Frank in Ontario ... you wouldn't happen to have any ancestors from > the Johnstone/Lochwinnoch area would you??? I have a list of McGunnigles > and > I'm wondering if this is just a variation of the same name? > > > > Brian in Ontario. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Frank in Ontario ... you wouldn't happen to have any ancestors from the Johnstone/Lochwinnoch area would you??? I have a list of McGunnigles and I'm wondering if this is just a variation of the same name? Brian in Ontario.

Hi Barrhead is a village ...a town now .... south west of glasgow. There are MIs for Renfrewshire published in 2 volumes. There is also a list of burials for some parishes ...that's available on CD ...both available from the Renfrewshire family history society. You should also be able to use them at the Museum in Paisley when you're over. Irene On 1 August 2010 21:15, Carol Dunford <CSDunford@comcast.net> wrote: > > > I've been researching the lady above and have hit a dead end. Am wondering > if any of you have suggestions for where to look next. > > > > Jean Johnston, wife of John Foster. > Jean born Paisley Burgh/Low Paisley, I THINK either 1760 or 1764. I have > two Jean Johnstons who could be "my" Jean Johnston. Appears she was born on > /lived at a farm named Barhead/Barrhead. > > Husband John Foster born ~1764. > > It appears John Foster died somewhere between 1784-1788, and then Jean > re-married William Foster sometime around 1787-1788. . . . unless there > really are two Jean Johnstons living in the same area at about the same > time, which wouldn't be unheard of. > > > > At this point Scotland's People and the OPRs have no more information to > give me. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a record of monumental in > scriptions for the Paisley/Renfrew area. Of course, I have no idea of where > they were buried, but if a record exists, I could comb that for a potential > lead. My mother and I will be in the area in early October and can look in > person at that time, but at this point I don't even know if any record of > gravestone inscriptions exists. > > > > If it does, perhaps we can get a copy through the LDS church over here > (western USA) and look before we go. Otherwise, we can check when we get to > Scotland. > > > > Any help much appreciated. > > > > Carol Dunford > > > > "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that > English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; > on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them > unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll > > > > > "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that > English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; > on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them > unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-RENFREW-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been researching the lady above and have hit a dead end.  Am wondering if any of you have suggestions for where to look next. Jean Johnston, wife of John Foster. Jean born Paisley Burgh/Low Paisley, I THINK either 1760 or 1764.  I have two Jean Johnstons who could be "my" Jean Johnston.  Appears she was born on /lived at a farm named Barhead/Barrhead.   Husband John Foster born ~1764. It appears John Foster died somewhere between 1784-1788, and then Jean re-married William Foster sometime around 1787-1788. . . . unless there really are two Jean Johnstons living in the same area at about the same time, which wouldn't be unheard of. At this point Scotland's People and the OPRs have no more information to give me.  I'm wondering if anyone knows of a record of monumental in scriptions for the Paisley/Renfrew area.  Of course, I have no idea of where they were buried, but if a record exists, I could comb that for a potential lead.  My mother and I will be in the area in early October and can look in person at that time, but at this point I don't even know if any record of gravestone inscriptions exists. If it does, perhaps we can get a copy through the LDS church over here (western USA) and look before we go.  Otherwise, we can check when we get to Scotland. Any help much appreciated. Carol Dunford "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll

Hi Caroline and all I was recently at the Watt Library in Greenock and used their newspaper archives on film that included the "Greenock Telegraph". I was able to copy death notices inserted by family over a wide range of dates, certainly between 1882 and 1932. Whilst skimming through looking for definite known dates, I also read a number of well detailed Obits and items of interest such as accidents, drownings etc. The librarian was extremely helpful. Ian Scott Perth Western Australia At 04:19 PM 1/08/2010, you wrote: >Thanks, Frank. > >I will contact them. > >Thanks again > >Caroline > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Frank McGonigal" <frank017@sympatico.ca> >To: <sct-renfrew@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:45 PM >Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Greenock Telegraph > > > > Try the Watt Library at.. > > > http://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/community-life-and-leisure/local-history-and-heritage/watt-library-newspaper-index > > Good Luck > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada <snip>