Hi Moira, Maybe they never married or married after the birth of one or more children. I have several examples of this happening. The children always seem to call themselves after their father's last name. They are usually listed in the census as the father's last name too. Try looking for the birth of Marion McLay or Marion Currie McLay. I have found quite a few "missing" childrens births this way (having found them first on a census record listed as having the father's surname and later, when I couldn't find birth or marriage records for the parents, found the birth as illegitimate under the mother's name...and many times the father's surname as middle name.) Hope this helps. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Re: Marion currie > Can any kind lister help me? > I have a Marion Currie born 1826-7 according to both census entries and her > death certificate. Her death certificate lists her parents as William Currie > (no occupation given) and Isabella McLay. A grandson has Mclay as a middle > name. Clearly the informant believed his information and may be correct. > My problem is I have drawn a blank with these parents. > Scotlandspeople has no record of their marriage nor of a marion currie born > to them in the appropriate timeframe and I can find no other children of the > marriage. > census entries say she was born Paisley. > Now I have a Marion born the near right year to William Currie and Janet > Forsythe in Dalserf, but I dont think this is right, I did wonder if William > was widowed and remarried but William and Janet are still married in 1841 > and the sibling names dont fit my family well. > Before I do more digging on scotlands people or fly to Paisley to try and > sort it out I thought I'd see if anyone else recognises Marion or her > parents William Currie and Isablla McLay. any one link? > Moira > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm >

My Lyall connection is possibly John Lyall born 1853 married Nov 2nd 1877 at 1 High St Paisley, his wife was Margaret Harvieson born 1853 in Dalkieth Edinburgh and she died June 15th 1882 in 18 Broomlands, Paisley. They had two children, William Lyall born 1879, Margaret Harvieson Lyall born 1882. This is all I have at the moment but would appreciate any other info that you may have, Cheers, Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: <DynosoreMom@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Researching Lyall Surname of Paisley(Abbey) > Dear Listers, > > Could sks do a look up in the 1841 Census for Paisley. I am looking for > Thomas Lyall who would have been around 3 at this time. I believe his parents > were William Lyall and Elizabeth Rodger, I just need confirmation. > > Thank You! > > Amy Gilroy > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > >

I have a Lyall in my tree. he married Margaret Harvieson and they had one child. The family were from Paisley. Please come back to me and I will search out my records. Cheers, Christine ----- From: <DynosoreMom@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Researching Lyall Surname of Paisley(Abbey) > Dear Listers, > > Could sks do a look up in the 1841 Census for Paisley. I am looking for > Thomas Lyall who would have been around 3 at this time. I believe his parents > were William Lyall and Elizabeth Rodger, I just need confirmation. > > Thank You! > > Amy Gilroy > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > >

Hi, Could SKS please help me I am looking to locate cemetery in Neilston where one Joseph David MILTON born c 1871 died 23.7.1912.? Hopefully his parents will be there too father also Joseph MILTON and mother Janet McCulloch. Does this ring any bells with anyone on the list? Thanks Alison Sullivan

Hi Listers, I have just subscribed to this site and was wondering if anyone out there can help me with this family. John LOVE born in 1827 Ayrshire, Scotland parents were William Love and Ann Allen (it is believed) John married Jane McKaig on the 20th October 1846 at Middle Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland, UK. John died in 1892 in Armidale, NSW Australia. 2 Of John's daughters Ann Love and Mary Love immigrated to Australia in 1864 on the Sandringham. I haven't found out when John and Jane came to Australia but there daughter Isabella McDonald was born in NSW in 1867. Jane McKaig was born in Scotland to parents Thomas McKaig and Martha Dallas. If anyone has any information on either of these families I would love to hear from you. Alternatively if any one has any suggestions on where I should look for more information it would be greatly appreciated. Sandy Avis Australia.

Hi David, I don't remember that name, but the transcriptions are all in the Lanark list archives. Jim Bundy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joy Lyle" <d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Shotts Parish Records > Jim, > When transcribing the Shotts Parish Records would you by any chance have > come across the names BRATCHIE or BROTCHIE please. > > Regards > > David Bratchie Lyle - Perth, Western Australia > d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au > > Researching for :- > BRATCHIE, BROTCHIE, CREDIDIO, GIBBINS, LAIRD, LYLE, MELLING, MITCHELL, TAYLOR > Genealogy - Forever looking backwards > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > >

Hi, I am looking for info on a Francis or Frank Bethel b. about 1865-76 in Greenock.He got married to Agnes McCreadie in West Greenock on 7 Jan 1895.Any info much appreciated, and anybody willing to do a lookup who has acces to the MI's that would be great. I don't know who his parents were.Thanks. Best regards, Karen

Jim, When transcribing the Shotts Parish Records would you by any chance have come across the names BRATCHIE or BROTCHIE please. Regards David Bratchie Lyle - Perth, Western Australia d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au Researching for :- BRATCHIE, BROTCHIE, CREDIDIO, GIBBINS, LAIRD, LYLE, MELLING, MITCHELL, TAYLOR Genealogy - Forever looking backwards

Daniel McGown born 1830 Ireland married Margaret Cochran oct 1850 in Johnstone children; Daniel, Thomas, John, Neil, Margaret,James, Joseph Daniel lived in Abbey Paisley and Kilbarchan Daniel came to the USA ( Pennsylvania) with family 1870 I have Daniel in a 1861 census living on 9 William Street Johnstone he was an ironstone miner Sherry

Hi, Looking for descendants or anyone related to the following people who are believed to have lived in the Paisley and Lanark areas? William Dow McNAUGHT (b.1882, d.1953); wife Margaret SCOTT (d.1937) Isabella Brown McNAUGHT (b.1889, d.1954) Margaret Wylie McNAUGHT (b.1883, d.1959) Mary McGibbon McNAUGHT (b.1888, d.1967) Robert McGibbon McNAUGHT (b.1846, d.1917); wife Margaret BROWN (b.1862, d.1949) Peter McNAUGHT (b.1818, d.1888); wife Mary McGIBBON (b.1819, d.1897). Any information will be greatly appreciated. Lois McNaught Hamilton, Canada

Hi All Is anyone researching the Kininmonths of Bishopton.I have alot of stuff but would like to talk to someone who may be doing the same research. Regards Charlie www.charlie-clark.co.uk/family_tree.htm --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs

Thereis a interesting URL for the town of Johnstone, unfortunately, I do not know it. Researching Adam, Lynn, McFee & Hercules of Johnstone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott & Rosanne" <scottandrosanne@onetel.net.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Johnstone railway station. > Hi All > > I am wondering if anyone out there may be able to help me. I'm looking for > information or photos of the Johnstone railway station near Paisley between > about 1873 - 1890. My g-grandfather was a porter there and I'd like to know > more about the times and places he lived and worked. > > Best Regards > Scott Edwards > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >

Dear Listers, Could sks do a look up in the 1841 Census for Paisley. I am looking for Thomas Lyall who would have been around 3 at this time. I believe his parents were William Lyall and Elizabeth Rodger, I just need confirmation. Thank You! Amy Gilroy

Hi All I am wondering if anyone out there may be able to help me. I'm looking for information or photos of the Johnstone railway station near Paisley between about 1873 - 1890. My g-grandfather was a porter there and I'd like to know more about the times and places he lived and worked. Best Regards Scott Edwards

Here is the URL for the Town of Johnstone in Renfrewshire. http://www.johnstonetown.org.uk/home_page.htm There is a little about the railway at the following address: http://www.johnstonetown.org.uk/history/glimpses/gordon_mcshean.htm Hope this helps. Lois McNaught Hamilton, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin McCallum" <colin.mccallum1@btopenworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Johnstone railway station. > Thereis a interesting URL for the town of Johnstone, unfortunately, I do not > know it. > > Researching Adam, Lynn, McFee & Hercules of Johnstone. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott & Rosanne" <scottandrosanne@onetel.net.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:05 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] Johnstone railway station. > > > > Hi All > > > > I am wondering if anyone out there may be able to help me. I'm looking > for > > information or photos of the Johnstone railway station near Paisley > between > > about 1873 - 1890. My g-grandfather was a porter there and I'd like to > know > > more about the times and places he lived and worked. > > > > Best Regards > > Scott Edwards > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >

FYI The Paisley High Church Baptism Register contains the following entry in May 1829. "Hugh. L.S. of Hugh Stevenson and Sarah McMillian born 25th Jan 1829 bapt 26th Inst by Rev M Blair." Does anyone know anything about this family? David. Sydney. Australia.

The following are spares from 1824 births: DONALD, Alexander.sl. to John Donald BURTON, Henry.sl. to James Burton & Jean Neil MAXWELL,William. sl. to Walter Maxwell & Mary Campbell HART,Jean Fleming. dau.l. to Archibald Hart & Helen Reid CAMPBELL, Elizabeth .dau.l. to Hugh Campbell & Mary Archibald GOVAN, Christian. dau.l. to John Govan & Jean Campbell Happy to pass on further details if required. Mary, B.C. Canada

Hi Jim Have you checked the source as often the earlier date is the birth date. Kind regards Josephine from QLD AU Jim Baird wrote: > > I hope one of our resident experts can answer this one: > > I've been researching the children of John BARR and Bethia ALLEN in Abbey > (Paisley). > > Of 5 children's names recorded, 4 are shown twice with different christening > dates viz. > > John 19 JUN 1768 > > James 24 MAY 1772 > James 14 JUL 1773 > > Allan 18 DEC 1777 > Allan 27 JAN 1782 > > Alexander 03 MAY 1780 > Alexander 06 SEP 1784 > > Ann 16 NOV 1786 > Ann 18 DEC 1788 > > My first thought was that the children had died young and the names were > re-used, but that suggests a mortality rate that is terribly high. > > Does anyone have another logical explanation, please? > > All the best > Jim in sweltering Western Australia, > the state with the climate that Queensland thinks it has! > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html -- To get random signatures put text files into a folder called “Random Signatures” into your Preferences folder.

Thanks to everyone who replied. In the interests of brevity I omitted to mention that all names are from the IGI and are shown as christenings, none are shown as births. If they were to be births followed by christenings, you'd have to ask: (1) why the long delay between birth and christening - minimum 1 year, maximum 4 years (2) why not have Alexander christened at the same time as Allan - he'd be 19 months old by then etc. I have already come across children with the same first name, each called after a different person (eg father's father and mother's father both called Robert), but 4 in the one family? That's stretching coincidence a bit far, don't you think? For the same reason, transcription error can probably be discounted. I accept that mortality rates were high, and the gaps between the children's births, particularly the first three, suggest there may have been difficulties. But after losing a couple of children you'd think the parents might switch to using different names! I will examine the film in due course (it takes a while for them to wend their way from Salt Lake City to the far-flung colonies) unless SKS on the list can get to it sooner - any volunteers? <grin> Until then the puzzle remains unsolved. Again, many thanks Jim in stifling West Aus 39 degrees C again today, too hot for golf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Different Christening Dates on IGI > Hi jim, > probably a combination of > a) children who died > b) birth date and christening date - not always correctly identified as such > c) transcription error including wrong dates, wrong name, wrong place or > even wrong family > d) anecdotally families named more than one living child with the same > name - I am considering whether I have just discovered the first example of > this in my family though I'll be honest I am dubious. > Moira > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Baird" <jbaird@hotmail.com> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:44 AM > Subject: [Renfrew] Different Christening Dates on IGI > > > > I hope one of our resident experts can answer this one: > > > > I've been researching the children of John BARR and Bethia ALLEN in Abbey > > (Paisley). > > > > Of 5 children's names recorded, 4 are shown twice with different > christening > > dates viz. > > > > John 19 JUN 1768 > > > > > > James 24 MAY 1772 > > James 14 JUL 1773 > > > > Allan 18 DEC 1777 > > Allan 27 JAN 1782 > > > > Alexander 03 MAY 1780 > > Alexander 06 SEP 1784 > > > > Ann 16 NOV 1786 > > Ann 18 DEC 1788 > > > > My first thought was that the children had died young and the names were > > re-used, but that suggests a mortality rate that is terribly high. > > > > Does anyone have another logical explanation, please? > > > > All the best > > Jim in sweltering Western Australia, > > the state with the climate that Queensland thinks it has! > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > To search the archived lists, including this list go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > > > > > > ______________________________

Cany anyone give me an indication please as to how long the sea voyage from Glasgow to Liverpool would have taken c.1852. Many thanks in advance Ron Blair Warragul Australia