Silly mistake the guy she trained under was Charles Rennie Mackintosh Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Trowsdale" <rmtrowsdale@totalise.co.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: [Renfrew] BRUCE / JAMIESON > I know its like looking for a particular grain of sand on a beach but I am looking for a Bruce family from Barrhead / Paisley area. In 1846 John Bruce was born - he subsequently went south of the border and eventually married a Hannah W Williamson from Pocklington in Yorkshire. They were married in Yarm in 9th Oct 1872 and subsequently had 5 children - mainly in the Newcastle on Tyne area. > > We know that the Bruce family came from Barrhead / Paisley area and their 4th child Laura Bruce was born at 4 Prussia Street Paisley in 1879. We assume this is the address of a relative possibly parents? The John Bruce family returned to Newcastle area after that. > > Part of the same family but later say in 1920-30 were sisters Mina(Mima?) and Isa(Isabel?) Bruce living in Paisley / Barrhead area. Mina Bruce trained under John Rennie McIntosh and married a Bob Jamieson who had some sort of foundry in the Barrhead area. > > We have photos (not very large) of some of the later Bruces if anyone feels they may know of the family please contact me off list and I will send. > > Does any of this ring any bells to anyone. > > Trying to find a particular John Bruce on the http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ is going to bankrupt me before I find the right family. Does anyone have access to the 1851 census to check for a John Bruce at the Prussia Street address. > I am open to any suggestions on how to trace this family. > > Mike Trowsdale > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew >

I know its like looking for a particular grain of sand on a beach but I am looking for a Bruce family from Barrhead / Paisley area. In 1846 John Bruce was born - he subsequently went south of the border and eventually married a Hannah W Williamson from Pocklington in Yorkshire. They were married in Yarm in 9th Oct 1872 and subsequently had 5 children - mainly in the Newcastle on Tyne area. We know that the Bruce family came from Barrhead / Paisley area and their 4th child Laura Bruce was born at 4 Prussia Street Paisley in 1879. We assume this is the address of a relative possibly parents? The John Bruce family returned to Newcastle area after that. Part of the same family but later say in 1920-30 were sisters Mina(Mima?) and Isa(Isabel?) Bruce living in Paisley / Barrhead area. Mina Bruce trained under John Rennie McIntosh and married a Bob Jamieson who had some sort of foundry in the Barrhead area. We have photos (not very large) of some of the later Bruces if anyone feels they may know of the family please contact me off list and I will send. Does any of this ring any bells to anyone. Trying to find a particular John Bruce on the http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ is going to bankrupt me before I find the right family. Does anyone have access to the 1851 census to check for a John Bruce at the Prussia Street address. I am open to any suggestions on how to trace this family. Mike Trowsdale

I'm trying to trace William Young and his wife Jane McCutcheon they had a daughter Elizabeth born 1836 in Greenock.Elizabeth married Francis McCallum and moved to Peterborough. Thanks Gordon Poole Dorset

I am descended from William SPROULE, son of William and Mary ( WILSON), born Paisley 1796, married 1818 at Paisley to Margaret MALCOLM. This couple settled on the Isle of Bute around 1837. While I have read Parish records, Census, etc, I would enjoy contact with other descendants. Kay McGregor Rotorua bill.kay@wave.co.nz

Hi Kay, My family came from Paisley - do you have details of Margaret Malcolm's parents? Regards Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: <bill.kay@wave.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: [Renfrew] SPROULE/ WILSON/ MALCOLM > I am descended from William SPROULE, son of William and Mary ( WILSON), born Paisley 1796, married 1818 at Paisley to Margaret MALCOLM. This couple settled on the Isle of Bute around 1837. > While I have read Parish records, Census, etc, I would enjoy contact with other descendants. > > Kay McGregor > Rotorua > bill.kay@wave.co.nz > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > >

Hi, I don't know if we've been in touch. I have Gemmells from Paisley in my family. Andrew Gemmell and Ann Walker married 1834 Paisley High had 3 boys: Robert, Andrew and William. Their baby Mary b. 1841 apparently died between 1841 and 1851 as did the father, Andrew. The 3 boys all joined regiments. The 1st 2 were Gordon Highlanders, the last, William was a 7th Dragoon. I just got all their military records. Gemmell/ Grant: "Alexander Gemmell & Janet Grant, both of this Parish. 3 days. Booked 27th. Married 16th. Feb. by the Rev'd Walter Blair, Paisley." This is recorded in January 1827. Paisley High records. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Thorpe [mailto:jackieaz@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 12:59 PM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1827 original marriage records Paisley Hi Sandi, Please send the Gemmell/Grant info. Thanks for all your Gemmell info lately. I don't know if we have been in touch before. I have my Gemmell interest list written up...somewhere....and will dig it out and send it on to you later today. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandi" <ojaisandy@ojai.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:50 AM Subject: [Renfrew] 1827 original marriage records Paisley > > > I have an xerox copy of the original Old parish record with the following > January 1827 marriages:Husband, then wife. > If anyone wants any further detail, let me know. Sandy > Bachop/Wilson > Hamilton/walker > Adam/McGregor > Steel/Arthur > Gillespie/Lyle > Fergus/Thom > Watt/Robertson > McKinnon/Mckinnon > Sproul/McDonald > Martin/Robertson > Craig/Allan > McDonald/Whyte > Gemmell/Grant > Simpson/Buchanan > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** To search the Rootsweb lists go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Hi Sandi, Please send the Gemmell/Grant info. Thanks for all your Gemmell info lately. I don't know if we have been in touch before. I have my Gemmell interest list written up...somewhere....and will dig it out and send it on to you later today. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandi" <ojaisandy@ojai.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:50 AM Subject: [Renfrew] 1827 original marriage records Paisley > > > I have an xerox copy of the original Old parish record with the following > January 1827 marriages:Husband, then wife. > If anyone wants any further detail, let me know. Sandy > Bachop/Wilson > Hamilton/walker > Adam/McGregor > Steel/Arthur > Gillespie/Lyle > Fergus/Thom > Watt/Robertson > McKinnon/Mckinnon > Sproul/McDonald > Martin/Robertson > Craig/Allan > McDonald/Whyte > Gemmell/Grant > Simpson/Buchanan > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew >

Hello all, This is my first post to the list. I will visit Scotland in May of this year and have been researching my family for about five years. I have a lot of data to share. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who might have an interest in the following: all from Greenock: John Peter Rodger married Mary Patton Hoy November 8, 1859. Issue: Jane Cumming Rodger b. 1860 Catherine Davidson Rodger b. 1863 John Hoy Rodger b. 1865 [my grandfather] Elizabeth Hoy Rodger b. 1867 Parents of John Peter Rodger [who went by the name Peter] were John Rodger & Catherine Davidson married April 9, 1827 Parents of Mary Patton Hoy were John Hoy and Jane Cumming married 1829. Thanks for reading this and good luck in your research. Catherine in Maryland, USA

Good Evening. This is my first message to this list. To introduce myself. I am a retired Chief Technician of the NZ Post Office. born in Lancashire, UK. Came to NZ in 1955. I am researching Hanna and McAlonan. My Grandmother Margaret HANNA age 15, and her elder sister Catherine HANNA age 23, were listed in the 1881 census of East Greenock as Cutter in Pottery and Pottery Worker respectively. Both born in Port Glasgow. Are there any records to trace the place they were employed. In 1871 they are with their parents at 7 Custom house Lane, Port Glasgow 1881 residing at 11 Main Street, East Greenock Their parents my Gt. Grandparents James HANNA born Ireland abt 1832 and Mary McAlonan born Ireland, where unknown. James was killed in an accident in the Park Shipyard, Whiteinch, Partick 1884. Mary died In Salford, Lancashire, 1899. I would be pleased to hear from anyone interested. Kindest Regards George in NZ

Hello Listers, I am trying to find the birth and parents of Alexander Brown. He was supposed to have been born in Carnwath about 1770-80? I have no parents names. He entered Divinity Hall in 1797, and joined the Associate Presbytery. Was licensed in 1801 and called to Burntshields, Renfrewshire. Married Janet Barr in 1802 and died in 1819. Was buried under the Communion Table. The church has gone but a monument stands on the spot. Children were: Jeanie, Elizabeth, Isobel, Margaret, Janet and John. Can anyone help me with this task? Regards Don.

New surname interests: Helen Towie D: 1919 Paisley Maggie Cowden D: 1901 Paisley Heather

Came across the following : 1891 Census Eastwood Pollockshaws Matthew McMENEMY , Unmarried Age 62 , Unemployed Dyer b Pollockshaws Renfrew 'Vagrant' On the census at the end of page 42 was written .. ' Information from Police Constable on the beat , he was wandering the streets and sleeping on stairs on the night of the 5 th .' The ref was to Matthew Angela

Hi David, Go to rootsweb.com, Scroll down to Mailing Lists, Click on Index, Scroll down to International, click on Scotland, Scroll down to Lanark, click on it, Click on Search the List Archives. Jim Bundy . ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joy Lyle" <d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:20 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Re: SCT-RENFREW-D Digest V03 #45 > Jim, > Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance, but where will I find the Lanark > List Archives. > > At 09:01 AM 2003-02-14 -0700, you wrote: > >X-Message: #2 > >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:17:40 -0800 > >From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@attbi.com> > >To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <014a01c2d3a5$57b59de0$0200a8c0@jbundy> > >Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Shotts Parish Records > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Hi David, > >I don't remember that name, but the transcriptions are all in the > >Lanark list archives. > > Jim > > Regards > > David B. Lyle > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > >

Jim, Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance, but where will I find the Lanark List Archives. At 09:01 AM 2003-02-14 -0700, you wrote: >X-Message: #2 >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:17:40 -0800 >From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@attbi.com> >To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <014a01c2d3a5$57b59de0$0200a8c0@jbundy> >Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Shotts Parish Records >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi David, >I don't remember that name, but the transcriptions are all in the >Lanark list archives. > Jim Regards David B. Lyle

Hi All, Am wondering if someone with access to the census for 1861, 1871 or 1881 could look to see if there is a Jeanie ADAM. She was likely under 18 years in 1867. She may be living with a McNAUGHT, COOPER, or BRISBANE family, likely near George Street in Paisley. She was to inherit the assets of her uncle Walter McNAUGHT, a weaver who died in 1867, when she became 21. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Lois McNaught

Hi This may or may not be relevant but there are heaps of CURRIE people on the Isle of Buteshire ...... it isn't that far from Greenock, Renfrewshire. Might be worth looking at. A number of my Halliday ancestors married Currie people. I haven't checked them but .......... Janelle Canberra, Australia jcmch@cyberone.com.au Researching Davie, Halliday, Menzies, Taylor, Barr, McDonald in Scotland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03

Hi, I am part of this line through Josiah Mason Forrest's aunt, I also know of two other people connected to this line,one from another aunt and one from his brother James, email me at jacquig31@yahoo.co.uk and I'll share the info I have. Jacqui __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

Jackie, I did n't think of this - and it is an easy one to check out. Thanks, this'll be a task for today- here's hoping! moira ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Thorpe" <jackieaz@cox.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Re: Marion currie > Hi Moira, > > Maybe they never married or married after the birth of one or more children. > I have several examples of this happening. The children always seem to call > themselves after their father's last name. They are usually listed in the > census as the father's last name too. > > Try looking for the birth of Marion McLay or Marion Currie McLay. I have > found quite a few "missing" childrens births this way (having found them > first on a census record listed as having the father's surname and later, > when I couldn't find birth or marriage records for the parents, found the > birth as illegitimate under the mother's name...and many times the father's > surname as middle name.) Hope this helps. > > Jackie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:22 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] Re: Marion currie > > > > Can any kind lister help me? > > I have a Marion Currie born 1826-7 according to both census entries and > her > > death certificate. Her death certificate lists her parents as William > Currie > > (no occupation given) and Isabella McLay. A grandson has Mclay as a middle > > name. Clearly the informant believed his information and may be correct. > > My problem is I have drawn a blank with these parents. > > Scotlandspeople has no record of their marriage nor of a marion currie > born > > to them in the appropriate timeframe and I can find no other children of > the > > marriage. > > census entries say she was born Paisley. > > Now I have a Marion born the near right year to William Currie and Janet > > Forsythe in Dalserf, but I dont think this is right, I did wonder if > William > > was widowed and remarried but William and Janet are still married in 1841 > > and the sibling names dont fit my family well. > > Before I do more digging on scotlands people or fly to Paisley to try and > > sort it out I thought I'd see if anyone else recognises Marion or her > > parents William Currie and Isablla McLay. any one link? > > Moira > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >

Moira, It is possible that the christening was not recorded, or the volume it was written in is lost (fire or damp). I don't know if the Scotlandspeople index has other than Church of Scotland entries, like the IGI. Have had no luck with locating anything on Euphemia Currie, who married James Beith about 1804. She died before Statutory registration, so no death info or census entries. The only reason I have a birth date for my ggg-grandfather, Douglas Hunter, is it was recorded in the family Bible that has survived. He was born on 27 Feb 1828. His birth/christening can not be found in the IGI, Scotlandspeople and I have checked with the GRO. Only reference to his father was his marriage entry, to his first wife. He listed his father as G. D. Hunter, seaman. So, very possible his parents were not married. But he doesn't give his father's name on his next two marriages nor is it given in his death entry. We have the same problem with Douglas' maternal grandfather, Robert Hunter, no birth or christening date, no parents, no clue where he was from. All we can say about him is that we know he died prior to the 1841 census. We do have the marriage entry for Robert Hunter to Isabella Ross, but Greenock was not recording even the name of the grooms father in 1805. There are just some people that will remain surrounded by brickwalls. Can only suggest checking with the National Archives for Scotland to see if they my have non-Church of Scotland OPR's for Paisley. Julie Dufault Merrimack, New Hampshire, USA

Can any kind lister help me? I have a Marion Currie born 1826-7 according to both census entries and her death certificate. Her death certificate lists her parents as William Currie (no occupation given) and Isabella McLay. A grandson has Mclay as a middle name. Clearly the informant believed his information and may be correct. My problem is I have drawn a blank with these parents. Scotlandspeople has no record of their marriage nor of a marion currie born to them in the appropriate timeframe and I can find no other children of the marriage. census entries say she was born Paisley. Now I have a Marion born the near right year to William Currie and Janet Forsythe in Dalserf, but I dont think this is right, I did wonder if William was widowed and remarried but William and Janet are still married in 1841 and the sibling names dont fit my family well. Before I do more digging on scotlands people or fly to Paisley to try and sort it out I thought I'd see if anyone else recognises Marion or her parents William Currie and Isablla McLay. any one link? Moira