--=======6F5A4429======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2649750; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, I am new to your list and am looking for info on the following. 1. 14 July 1917 Marriage of Lily ETHELL age 20 of 23 Calside Paisley to Henry STEVENSON. the marriage took place at St Charles Church RC,Paisley. Lily ETHELL was the daughter of William & Julia ETHELL (nee DUFF). 2. 20 June 1941 Death of Julia ETHELL age 67 years of 8 Alice Street,Paisley informant Kate ETHELL daughter. Any and all info on the above would be gratefully recieved. Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks. Web Page http://www,Dortmund.co.uk Researching: LILL.....Sheffield & Doncaster.Yks & Boston,Lincs. ROBERTS....Sheffield Yks & Llanrwst,Denbigshire. KERSLEY...Sheffield 1898+ & Winchester,Hampshire. GAMBLE...Helmsley & York ETHELL...Huttons Ambo & York REVIS... Westow & Malton. WAKE... Brandsby, Crayke & Stillington. --=======6F5A4429======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2649750 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 --=======6F5A4429=======--

I have a McGown family I'm researching. Daniel McGowan lived in Renfrew 1850- 1870 , then came to the USA with family. Would like to find other's connected to him. He was born in Ireland 1830-1833 Sherry

> Trevor Kersley > Easingwold,North Yorks. > > Web Page http://www,Dortmund.co.uk __________________ Hi Trevor ~ I am sending your web page again (without the comma after www) so folks may use it as a link to get to tour interesting web page. http://www.Dortmund.co.uk My husband's great-great grandfather Frank Marshall came from East Riding, York. Might that be near you? All the best in your search. Jean Brocklebank (the Brocklebanks came from the Lake District before living in Johnstone, Scotland...gggg grandfather was born in Hawkshead!)

I checked the British Vital Records 2nd Edition CD and found the following, it may or may not be yours: DUFF, Julia Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 30 Dec 1867 Birthplace: Cork, City Of Cork, Ire Recorded in: Cork, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Michael DUFF Mother: Kate FOLEY Source: FHL Film 101164 Dates: 1867 - 1867 Slainte! Liz > Hi All, > > I am new to your list and am looking for info on the following. > > 1. 14 July 1917 Marriage of Lily ETHELL age 20 of 23 Calside Paisley to > Henry STEVENSON. the marriage took place at St Charles Church RC,Paisley. > > Lily ETHELL was the daughter of William & Julia ETHELL (nee DUFF). > > 2. 20 June 1941 Death of Julia ETHELL age 67 years of 8 Alice > Street,Paisley informant Kate ETHELL daughter. > > Any and all info on the above would be gratefully recieved. > > > Trevor Kersley > Easingwold,North Yorks. > > Web Page http://www,Dortmund.co.uk > > Researching: > > LILL.....Sheffield & Doncaster.Yks & Boston,Lincs. > ROBERTS....Sheffield Yks & Llanrwst,Denbigshire. > KERSLEY...Sheffield 1898+ & Winchester,Hampshire. > GAMBLE...Helmsley & York > ETHELL...Huttons Ambo & York > REVIS... Westow & Malton. > WAKE... Brandsby, Crayke & Stillington. > > --=======6F5A4429======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2649750 > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 > > --=======6F5A4429=======-- > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

There is no rule about it - It depended entirely on whether the information was proffered, or the clergyman/registrar thought to ask. Regards Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Thorpe" <jackieaz@cox.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] deceased > Hi Mary, > > I have found that they usually did mark (dec) on the certificates. But I do > have a few where I know positively that someone was dead (I have their death > certificate) and (dec) doesn't appear. I usually take the info given as a > starting point....it may or may not pan out, but it is a start. Isn't that > the case in all family tree researching? > > Happy Hunting! > > Jackie > Scottsdale, Arizona USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Campbell" <mary53@ntlworld.com> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:23 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] deceased > > > > I have received a marriage certificate where under three of the parents > > names it has 'decs'. I am assuming that this means deceased. My question > for > > the list is - would writing this on the certificate be common practice > > everywhere? > > I have my gt.grandfathers marriage certificate and this is not on it but I > > was almost positive his father was dead when he married. Does anyone know > > anything about this? > > Mary Campbell > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >

I have received a marriage certificate where under three of the parents names it has 'decs'. I am assuming that this means deceased. My question for the list is - would writing this on the certificate be common practice everywhere? I have my gt.grandfathers marriage certificate and this is not on it but I was almost positive his father was dead when he married. Does anyone know anything about this? Mary Campbell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002

Dear Dorothy, I have a George Hamilton farmer of Barshagra near Neilston marrying Janet Carswell at Craig of Neilston Farm ,Neilston in 1851. George was born in Neilston in 1827 to William Hamilton & Ann Gilmour. Below is an extract from a Neilston Web Site re a George Hamilton. "Shirts, probably the good old-fashioned stiff-fronted type, were sent to a laundry at Holehouse for bleaching and laundering. This laundry became part of Holehouse Farm; it was a fairly large two-storey building and was in use until quite recently as a stable and hay shed. Mr. Hamilton, the tenant, was contracted to Crofthead Mills, and he combined this activity with dairy farming. Before and after the First World War his farm was very popular with the young folks at that end of the village; there was always something 'doing' - if it was not crunching corn or bagging chains, which is cleaning horses' harness chains in bags of sawdust, or feeding pigs, we simply climbed trees, usually for chestnuts. It was a sort of playground for the local youth, and Mr. Hamilton, Geordy, as he was called, seemed happy to encourage young people about the place. Many locals will have happy memories of Holehouse Farm. The laundry building and farm are now non-existent." John Carswell NSW Australia, Researching Carswell, Howie, Stevenson, Gemmell & McKay farmers of Neilston . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy" <amaze.d@virgin.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:32 AM Subject: [Renfrew] PATON and HAMILTON: Greenock and Largs > Looking for help with PATON and HAMILTON families around turn of 18th into > 19th C. - Greenock with possible connection to Largs, Ayrshire. > Anyone doing research with these names ? > Dorothy > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > >

Hi Mary, I have found that they usually did mark (dec) on the certificates. But I do have a few where I know positively that someone was dead (I have their death certificate) and (dec) doesn't appear. I usually take the info given as a starting point....it may or may not pan out, but it is a start. Isn't that the case in all family tree researching? Happy Hunting! Jackie Scottsdale, Arizona USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Campbell" <mary53@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: [Renfrew] deceased > I have received a marriage certificate where under three of the parents > names it has 'decs'. I am assuming that this means deceased. My question for > the list is - would writing this on the certificate be common practice > everywhere? > I have my gt.grandfathers marriage certificate and this is not on it but I > was almost positive his father was dead when he married. Does anyone know > anything about this? > Mary Campbell

I think this is the one you are looking for. Barrhead and Neilston 1851 Parish Census http://www.barrhead-scotland.com/Culture/history/1851census.asp Alison ==== AYRSHIRE Mailing List ==== CLICK HERE http://www.freeyellow.com/members7/lnafhs/index.html Largs & North Ayrshire FHS ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

To all, The 1881 Census is online now. For those who need to know more go to the LDS site, click on Census on left of screen; click on census again; then 1881 British Census then enter your name of interest. No need to ask someone else anymore. Regards David B. Lyle

Dorothy, My Lyle names came out of Kilmacolm and I would be interested in any Lyle names from Renfrewshire as some of them did move around a little. I am not linked to the Sugar Refinery Lyles but I do have a small family tree for this line and am very interested in anything that you may have on them. At 11:00 PM 2003-02-27 -0700, you wrote: >From: "Dorothy" <amaze.d@virgin.net> > >To David B. Lyle > >Would be interested in any LYLE names in Renfrewshire - more particularly in >and around Greenock, but not discounting others. >Do you have any links to LYLE (sugar refining) dynasty ? > >Regards, >Dorothy Regards David B. Lyle

In a message dated 27/2/03 10:02:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, SCT-RENFREW-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:19:42 -0000 > From: "Mary Campbell" <mary53@ntlworld.com> > To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Renfrew] Campbell/McDonald > > Hello list > I am looking for the parents of John Campbell. All I have is his marr cert > (10 Aug 1887 New Sneddon) > Father John Campbell - shoemaker > Mother Christina Mcdonald. > I have no idea where they come from and there are so many Campbells and > Mcdonalds. > I had a likely candidate on 1881 census the ages all match as did the > childrens names which were Campbells but the mother was down as a widow > Christina Mcdonald. Can anyone tell me if it is usual for scottish widows > to revert to their maiden name? > Thankyou > Mary Campbell This has been discussed several times recently on several of the Scottish Lists. A simple answer is that widows did not "revert" to their maiden name. In fact, they usually did not ever cease to use it - they continued to use their own name throughout the marriage and after (although they may have been known in legal documents by their husband's name as well - but this was often only amongst those families with "pretensions"). Hope this helps. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada HARRISON Yorkshire, Staffordshire, London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark, Orkney, Glasgow, Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire & Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness, Swaziland SPENCE Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire, Islay, Dumbarton, Glasgow, Australia (Vic) BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannan McNABB Islay MURRAY Dumfries, Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries CALDWELL Tyrone, Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone, Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census.

Sue The RC Church in Lochwinnoch was built in 1953, prior to that worship was at St. Joseph's College which was run by the Mill Hill Foreign Missionary Society which opened in 1936 in the mansion formerly known as Garthland House. I think before that any RC's would either worship at Howwood or Johnstone or in Ayrshire at Kilbirnie. Hope this helps. Kind regards Robert McIlroy Lochwinnoch ----- Original Message ----- From: <sbarnsley@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Lochwinnoch > > Can someone tell me if there was a RC Church in Lochwinnoch? My family were RC and lived in the area and I wondered where they would have got their children baptised. > > Sue Barnsley > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > >

Thanks. I believe I have used that CD at the Mormon genealogy library I go to to do my research. It is a great resource. Shona

Looking for help with PATON and HAMILTON families around turn of 18th into 19th C. - Greenock with possible connection to Largs, Ayrshire. Anyone doing research with these names ? Dorothy

Does anyone have the 1851 Census for Barrhead and can do a look up for me? regards Eddie

Is the LDS site the same as familysearch.com? Shona

The only thing wrong is there is no 1881 Scottish Census because some where else is using it commercially so what is on the LDS site is just England Wales and Northern Ireland. I have looked for my ancestors there finally I bought the 1881 census from the LDS Distribution Center in Salt Lake City. Hope this helps Georgena Turner

> Is the LDS site the same as familysearch.com? > > Shona Yes it is. BTW, I have the 1881 Census CD's. I think they cover a lot more places than what is online. I never seem to find anyone from Scotland listed online. But there are 2 CD's covering Scotland (Lowlands and Highlands) and everyone is in there. Jackie

Actually, it is my understanding that it is only the England and Wales section of the 1881 census that is currently online. ----- Original Message ----- From: David & Joy Lyle <d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au> Date: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:36 pm Subject: [Renfrew] Re:1881 Census > To all, > > The 1881 Census is online now. For those who need to know more go > to the > LDS site, click on Census on left of screen; click on census > again; then > 1881 British Census then enter your name of interest. > > No need to ask someone else anymore. > > > Regards > > David B. Lyle > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >