Hi Moira, we have recently discovered that my GGrandfather born abt 1841 came from Grennock, Renfrew, we go by Melvin, when he converted to the R.C. Faith at 17 in Nfld his name was record not as William Melvin but William Meldrum. Would you have any information on this??? Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > Hi Frank, > I know quite a bit more about my Paisley patons now and so I > thought I'd update you in case we can make a link. > Robert Paton b 1820 remains top of my tree, though having found his death I > am waiting to collect enough things I want from Scotlandspeople to go back > on again!!. He was a shoemaker. He married Margaret Kerr in 1846 who died > before 1873 and maybe long before this. He had three known children Robert b > 1850, Margaret 1847 and Annie. Robert junior was blind and a piano tuner. He > went on to marry Maggie Allan, and I now know that Robert's maternal aunt > Agnes married Maggie's widowed father and brought up his children. At very > least therefore Robert married his step cousin. > If as family story has it Robert was rejected by his father, who didn't die > till 1882, and he was brought up by a maternal aunt, hence adding Kerr to > his name, he may have been brought up in the same household as Maggie. > > Robert put 3 Orchard street, Londonderry as his usual address on his > marriage certificate in 1873 and lived at Alexander Terrace, Coleraine when > he was the informant for his father-in laws death ( the same person who was > his uncle by marriage). > Robert and his family were back in Glasgow by 1901 and he died there in > 1918. The last son definately born in Ireland was born in Coleraine in 1885. > The eldest daughter was born in Paisley, but they may have come back just > for the birth as that was not uncommon. So he may have been in Ireland > before the marriage and right through till later than 1885 except for > visits. > All I know about Annie Paton is that she was supposed to be a spinster and > to live on the Glasgow Road. My granny was named for her, but no I know of > no Dumfries links at all, definately no Kerr ones (yet!). > Regards > Moira > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank McGonigal" <bankie@cedarwoods.com> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > > > > Moira > > You mentioned that the Patons went to Ulster for an extended > > period,what info do you have on that ?? > > I'll see if I can find out more from John about his side. > > By the way,my gr.gr.grandmother was Annie Kerr from Tynron > > Dumfries,any connections to that Shire.She married Peter Dewar of > > Wiston Lanarkshire. > > > > Frank McGonigal ( born in Clydebank Dunbartonshire ) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > > > > > > > Hi Frank, > > > My great grandfather was born Robert Paton in Paisley > > but was > > > known as and died as Robert Paton Kerr. His offspring took the > > surname Kerr. > > > His father was Robert Paton and his mther was Margaret Kerr. There > > are at > > > least four possible reasons why he took his mothers surname and > > sadly two > > > different versions have been handed down! > > > RPK was born 1851 Paisley (but not Abbey I looked!). > > > His father was born around 1820 and his mother, the same. RPK had a > > sister > > > Margaret according to IGI and a sister Annie according to the > > family. > > > Thats all I know so far... > > > Moira > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >

Dear Listers: I have enjoyed reading your comments and queries and hope that my periodic contributions have been helpful. I have changed my screen name from < Dbd1alamos@aol.com> to <gend29@aol.com>, if you wish to reach me. Thank you. Regards, Don Davidson Los Alamos, New Mexico USA

I have a Daniel McGown that lived in Johnstone and left for the USA in 1869 or 1870 where can I look for his name on a passenger list in Scotland.

Hi listers, I dont know which of these censuses are indexed but I think either may suit my need, so if one is and one isnt then SKS with access to the indexed one may be able to help. I am looking at the Halfway House, Glasgow Road which I know now to be in Abbey parish in 1881, Abbey landward according to death registration. The head of household in both decades would be William (D) Allan b abt 1815. In 1861 he would be a widower, in 1871 he had remarried to Agnes b 1830. Her mother Margaret Kerr b 1798 could be living with them too. Children living in the household include Hugh b 1841, Mary b 1858 and Margaret b 1854. I am hoping for other names. I am also hoping that a Robert Paton or Kerr would be living there, he was blind and was Agnes' nephew. He was born 1850 paisley. He is supposed to have been brought up by an aunt and I am hoping it was Agnes. If it is the 1861 which is indexed then Agnes may have been living with her mother at either Storie Street or 15 Barr street Paisley - with or withour nephew Robert Paton or Kerr. If neither census is indexed then it will have to wait till i can search it myself in the summer. however if some kind soul is able and willing to help then it will advance things considerably. If anyone happens to recognise the names then i'd be happy to hear from you. Moira

Go to Google search engine and type in ships lists. This will bring up a number of websites for you to search. Good luck. Joan

Hi: I am trying to verify the parents of MATTHEW GIBB and MARGARET LOVE who were married 1March 1821 at Kilmacolm. The information I had was that the was the s/o James Gibb and Jean Sinclair and she was the d/o of Alexander Love and Margaret Fleming. I have been looking for the parents of MARGARET LOVE and JOSEPH MARSHALL who were married 13 Apr 1822 at Kilmacolm and received the information that she was the d/o Alexander Love and Margaret Fleming and he was the s/o Joseph Marshall and Helen Laird. They cann't be the same Margaret Love as they both went on to have children well beyond the marriage dates. Can anyone help me to find the true parents? Elenore Kamloops, B.C.

--=======7991DA======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-767637F3; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, Looking for help with the following death. Julia ETHELL (nee DUFF) born 1874. died 20 June 1941 Paisley, aged 67 years. Living at 8 Alice Street,Paisley.Married to William ETHELL. The parents of the above were Terence DUFF, Boiler Stoker (deceased) & Margaret DUFF (nee BROWN). Informant of the death was Kate ETHELL, daughter, 8 Alice Street,Paisley. The above info was extracted from the Death Cert . Could SKS tell me where Julia is likley to be buried and if there are any Monumental Inscriptions available for the cemetery's in Paisley. Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks. Web Page http://www.Dortmund.co.uk Researching: LILL.....Sheffield & Doncaster.Yks & Boston,Lincs. ROBERTS....Sheffield Yks & Llanrwst,Denbigshire. KERSLEY...Sheffield 1898+ & Winchester,Hampshire. GAMBLE...Helmsley & York ETHELL...Huttons Ambo & York REVIS... Westow & Malton. WAKE... Brandsby, Crayke & Stillington. --=======7991DA======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-767637F3 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 --=======7991DA=======--

--=======77802F9C======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-68C830EA; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 09:04 02/03/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Trevor ~ > >I am sending your web page again (without the comma after www) so folks may >use it as a link to get to tour interesting web page. > >http://www.Dortmund.co.uk > >My husband's great-great grandfather Frank Marshall came from East Riding, >York. Might that be near you? > >All the best in your search. > >Jean Brocklebank Hi Jean, Thanks for finding my mistake, when I transfered to my new computer I never noticed my mistake. Where abouts in the East Riding of Yorkshire ???????? Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks. Web Page http://www.Dortmund.co.uk --=======77802F9C======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-68C830EA Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 --=======77802F9C=======--

--=======52005403======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-68C830EA; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 08:18 02/03/2003 -0800, you wrote: >I checked the British Vital Records 2nd Edition CD and found the following, >it may or may not be yours: > >DUFF, Julia Birth > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 30 Dec 1867 Birthplace: Cork, City Of Cork, Ire > Recorded in: Cork, Ireland > Collection: Civil Registration > Father: Michael DUFF > Mother: Kate FOLEY >Source: FHL Film 101164 Dates: 1867 - 1867 > >Slainte! >Liz Hi Liz, Thanks for the info you sent, but I should have also said on my original request that Julia's mother & father were:- Terence DUFF & Margaret DUFF (nee BROWN) this was taken from the Scotish Death Cert. Thanks once again. Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks. Web Page http://www.Dortmund.co.uk --=======52005403======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-68C830EA Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 --=======52005403=======--

Anyone related to George KEAN b 1845 Neilston and his wife Rebecca McCORKINDALE who were married 1871 Abbey ? Angela BANKIER FAMILY WEB SITE http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~palmtreeqld Proud Supporter of Scots Gaelic In Australia http://ozgaelic.org/

Hi Everyone Does anyone have any connections to this McCOLL family. Malcolm is brother of my gr.grandfather Duncan McColl Excerpt from the 1881 census. Dwelling: 10 Octavia St Census Place: East Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203572 GRO Ref Volume 564-2 EnumDist 31 Page 37 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Malcolm MC COLL M 34 M E Kilbride, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ship Carpenter At Works Mary MC COLL M 40 F Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary MC COLL U 16 F Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Asst Housework John MC COLL 11 M Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William MC COLL 9 M Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Malcolm MC COLL 7 M Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Margaret MC COLL 5 F Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Daur Duncan MC COLL 1 M Port Glasgow, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son John MURRAY U 38 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Hammerman In Shipyard Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada Researching McGONIGAL-Glasgow NIVEN,OWENS-Glasgow & Derry McCOLL -DEWAR,LAWSON,BAIRD East Kilbride DEWAR,CHALMERS,COUPER,Carnwath KERR,BROWN,-Dumfries HUNTER,BAXTER,-Kirknewton/East Calder CAMPBELL-Lismore Argyll McCOLL,McKAY Isle of Mull GORRY,KEENAGHAN Co,Westmeath Ire. McGARVEY,QUINN,STRAIN,TREARTY,DONEGAL

DEATHS Paisley 1892 Margaret Adam MS Todd Spouse John Adams F: John Todd M: Margraret Cockran (sp) Feb 1892 age 66 ..

Hello Mary, I have a James SWEENIE b Nov 1844 Paisley, married 4 times 1.Elizabeth Fleming 21 Feb1868 Paisley 2. Jane McNaughton 1 Oct 1877 Rothesay, Bute 3. Elizabeth !!! 1891 4. Jane Colquhoun 31 Oct 1901 Paisley James father was David Sweenieb abt 1819 m Elizabeth Richardson 30 Dec 1842 Neilston David Sweenie's father was Edward Sweenie b abt 1799, a Quarrier, married to Janet Robertson This is my brick wall.

Thankyou Frank but this is wrong one. Wedd. cert. says father William Keating / mother Helen Keating MS Williamson Thankyou for looking Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002

Thankyou for census lookup. Other info I have from Johns marr. cert. is father Edward Sweeney, in 1888 he was deceased but I don't know when he died. Mother Agnes/Ann Brides name Ellen Keating age 27 They both gave same address 10 Old Sneddon, Paisley, Renfrew so I thought they must have been living together maybe with his mother John Sweeney was a labourer Ellen Keating was a threadmill worker. This is all I know. Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002

Hi List Is there a kind person who could do a look up for me please. 1881 census - District - Sneddon in Paisley, Scotland John Sweeney aged 22 approx I would like to know any other household members. Also would like to know if anyone is researching Sweeney from Paisley, Scotland. John (above) married Ellen Keating in 1888 address then was 10 Old Sneddon Thankyou . Mary Campbell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 26/12/2002

This is the only Ellen Keating that I found who is a Cotton Mill Worker. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada Dwelling: 339 London Road Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203635 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 54 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John KEATING M 56 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Labourer In Iron Works Elizabeth KEATING M 59 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Ellen KEATING U 20 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland <<<<<@@@@@@@@ Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Mill Worker Hanna KEATING U 17 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Mill Worker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Campbell" <mary53@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Sweeney > Thankyou for census lookup. > Other info I have from Johns marr. cert. is father Edward Sweeney, in 1888 > he was deceased but I don't know when he died. > Mother Agnes/Ann > Brides name Ellen Keating age 27 > They both gave same address 10 Old Sneddon, Paisley, Renfrew so I thought > they must have been living together maybe with his mother > John Sweeney was a labourer > Ellen Keating was a threadmill worker. > This is all I know. > Mary > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/2002 > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi Mary, A quick check using the year of birth as 1859 + - 2 years- I found only one John Sweeney aged 22 years in Pasiley: Institution: "Gilmour St County Prison" Census Place: Paisley Middle Church, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203582 GRO Ref Volume 573 EnumDist 35 Page 15 John SWEENEY U 22 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Inmate Occ: Carter Are you sure he was in Paisley? I found a John Sweenie aged 23 who was born in Ireland living as a "lodger" in West Greenock. Catherine > Is there a kind person who could do a look up for me please. 1881 census - > District - Sneddon in Paisley, Scotland > John Sweeney aged 22 approx >

You may find this interesting..... Most Common Name in Scotland Smith, Brown and Wilson are the top three surnames in Scotland, according to a survey carried out by the General Register Office for Scotland for the years 1999-2001. There has been little change in the most frequently found surnames over the last 140 years. Smith has been the most common surname in all surveys since that covering the early years of civil registration. Over 1 in 8 surnames in Scotland begin with Mac/Mc but patterns of surnames differ widely in different geographical areas. The top 10 Surnames in Scotland, using a sample of over 335,000 names from registrations in 1999, 2000 and 2001 are, in sequence: Smith, Brown, Wilson, Campbell, Stewart, Thomson, Robertson, Anderson, Mac Donald and Scott. The top ten names account for 7.9 per cent and the top 20 account for 12.4 per cent of all the names. Information on the top 10 surnames in Scotland by area is available at http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/grosweb/grosweb.nsf/pages/01surnames together with analysis of surnames from the 1901 Census. Cheers, Jim

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bulloch" <jbulloch@xtra.co.nz> > Most Common Name in Scotland > Smith, Brown and Wilson are the top three surnames in Scotland, Man, do I agree with this! My grandmother was Jessie BROWN born ca. 1883 in the Glasgow area. There are hundreds of Jessie Browns. Doesn't help that her mother was also Jessie Brown nee Gurley. Father was James Andrew Brown....again, hundreds of them. LORI (Michigan USA)