Greetings Catherine Is there a David or a Donald RODGER anywhere? I have a gr.great grandparents Archibald BROWN and Catherine McPHERSON married Greenock, 22 Dec 1825. Their son Lachlan married Elizabeth MELVIN, Pollockshields, 1858. They named a child (No. 7) Galbreath McPherson BROWN. The Galbraith name eluded us until we found the family on the 1841 Census - Carrick St Glasgow. Part of that entry might interest you - the comments in brackets are mine; "Carrick Street" "Late Provans Land" Archd. Brown 35 Pilot n (gr.grtgrdfather) Catherine McPherson 35 n (gr.grtgrmother) Archd. Do 12 Carp. y John Do 10 Shopboy y Thos. Do 8 y Jean Do 6 y Lachlan Do 4 y (grtgrdfather) Isabella Do 4 months y Alan McPherson 34 Carp. n (prob. Catherine's brother) Galbraith McPherson 25 Plumber n (prob. Catherine's brother and explains Galbreath McPherson Brown) Davd. (or Dond) Rodger 30 Plumber n (the last "d" in the prenom is a superscript. Where does RODGER come from?) The list continues - Isabella McPherson 20 and child Jean 5monts, and Catherine McPhersons mother Jean ORR and Jean ORR's second husband John SCOTT are on the previous page in the Census book. Any help Bill Brown . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scots1892@cs.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Galbraith - Greenock > Hi all, > I am working on a brand new connection. Ann McKay Rodger married William > Hunter Galbraith in Greenock in 1848. > I think - still verifying- they had the following children: > Catherine-1849, Mary Ann-1851, male not named- 1855, Elizabeth -1857, Mary > Ann-1859, Margaret Malcom - 1862, Joan Allison-1863, Wilhelmina-1865, William > Hunter-1867, John-1870, Jane Downie-1872. > The name varies between Galbraith and Galbreath in the early records. Most of > the information from the IGI files has been confirmed via Scotlandspeople. > I would be interested in sharing information with anyone with a similar > interest in this name. > Best wishes, Catherine > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew >

Hello Dorothy, I am just getting started on this line and wondered where the "Malcom" came from for the middle name of a girl. Many, many I have found used the maiden surname of the mother or grandmother as the middle names for the children. It has made for fun tracking. I have [I think I have] the parents of William Hunter Galbraith [ who married Ann McKay Rodger]. William's parents were William Galbraith and Margaret Hunter who married in Greenock February 12, 1825. William Hunter Galbraith was born September 9, 1827. Margaret Malcom that you mentioned was his daughter. ......still searching and verifying... Best wishes, Catherine > >>>I have Agnes Galbreath who married Malcom Hendry in 1827 (Campbeltown). > Am interested in corresponding as Malcom's brothers moved from Kintyre to > live > in Greenock.Margaret Malcom Galbraith B 1862 - worth investigating!<<< >

Hi all, I'm still looking for the parents of my ggg-grandfather John FLEMING born sometime between 1800 - 1810. He may be connected to George FLEMING and Jean PEACOCK but I have no tangible evidence to prove it. On the circumstantial side of things. 1. Johns oldest son my gg-grandfather was Named George. 2. Of George and Jeans other children there were a George and Jean. These names also appear in the IGI Neilston parish marriages Where my John Fleming and his wife Mary Ann Kirland were Married (Or at least The Banns was proclaimed there). I failed to find John and Mary Ann on the 1841 census for Barrhead(Newton Ralston) Where Mary Ann and children were on the 1851 Census. It appears John was Dead by 1851 as Mary Ann was listed as widow. Death was probabaly sometime 1850 as last child was 8 months old on 1851 Census. Thats what I have to date I am currnetly looking through the 1841 census for Paisley Where George and Jeans Children were all christened in hopes the may have moved temporarily. Their John was listed as being Christened as 08 Apr 1802. There was another John listed for them b. in 1799, I'm guessing this one must have died. This is the list of George Fleming and Jean Peacock's Children From the IGI William Fleming b. 1795, High Paisley George Fleming b. 1797, High Paisley John Fleming b. 1799, High Paisley John Fleming b. 1802, Middle church, Paisley Jean Fleming b. 1804, High Paisley Henry Bowie Fleming b. 1809, High Paisley Here is what a IGI marriage search For 1819 - 1855 Nielston pairsh came up with 1. Jean FLEMING - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Marriage: 14 Dec 1829 Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland 2. John FLEMING - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: 19 Oct 1832 Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland (my ggg-grandfathers) 3. George FLEMING - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Marriage: 17 Oct 1834 Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland There were others but these are the ones that caught my eye. This is my verified Fleming History: 1. John Fleming b. ca 1800-1810 Mar. 0ct 19, 1832 Nielston parish Renfrewshire SCT, Mary Ann Kirkland b.1811 Ireland. 2. Children: (birthdates approximates from ages list on 1851 census) Margret Fleming b. 1832? +George Fleming b. 1835 Mary Fleming b. 1839 John Fleming b. 1842 Thomas Fleming b. 1844 Elizabeth Fleming b. 1850 2. +George Fleming b 1835 Barrhead, Renfrewshire SCT. mar. Oct 14, 1864 +Marion Young b. 1846 (For parents see below) Children of George and Marion. 3 John - b 30 Mar 1865 Galston Ayr 3 William- b 1867- d. 1868 Galston Ayr 3 Marion - d 1870 Galston Ayr 3 George- b.1869 Galston Ayr +3 Thomas- b 23 Feb 1874 Galston Ayr- Mar. 26 Jun 1896 Auchinleck Ayr ,Martha Donaldson Judge b. 23 Jan 1869 3 William b. 06 Apr 1876 Galston Ayr 3 Elizabeth b. 19 Jul 1878 Galston Ayr Mar. Jame Guthrie 3 Robert Kay b. 12 Nov 1880 Galston Ayr - mar. 26 Jan 1910 Scarbourogh, NSW Austrailia, Anne Stirling Livingston Crawford Robertson 3 Marion b 28 Jan 1883 Auchinleck Ayr- Mar. William Tanner 3 James William Grange b.11 jul 1885 Auchinleck Ayr- Mar. 05 Apr 1912 Scarbourogh, NSW Austrailia, Agnes Thom 3 Mary b. 15 Sept 1887 Auchinleck Ayr- Mar 31 May 1911 Johannesburg Transvall S. Africa, Robert McKnight Mike

> I have a Daniel McGown that lived in Johnstone and left for the USA > in 1869 or 1870 where can I look for his name on a passenger list in Scotland. I doubt you will find any, passenger lists were usually handed in at the Port of Arrival. Try USA Immigration Records You might find them at your State or University Library. regards, Maureen Kuzyk.

Hi I am also looking for Melvin's from this area...my Greatgrandfather was William Melvin ( Meldrum) born c 1841....have you run across this name? Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Polkinghorne" <polk@ihug.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Galbraith - Greenock/ MELVIN > Can I crash in here. The Elizabeth MELVIN caught my eye. > Possibly not connected but I have 2 Elizabeth MELVINs > 1. Elizabeth nee GEMMELL married James MELVIN 5 sep 1865 West Kilbride AYR > > 2. their daughter Elizabeth Boyd MELVIN born 18 Oct 1869 Kilwinning AYR > > This is a new line for me . > > Irene in NZ > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ >

Hello Catherine I have Agnes Galbreath who married Malcom Hendry in 1827 (Campbeltown). Am interested in corresponding as Malcom's brothers moved from Kintyre to live in Greenock. Margaret Malcom Galbraith B 1862 - worth investigating! Dorothy.

Hello Bill, Rodger is my main direct Scottish line. I have them back to a birth in 1799. My biggest problem is there were many daughters and very few sons. All of my guys were named John Rodger, with my grandfather being John Hoy Rodger. His mother was Mary Patton Hoy and his father was another John Rodger. That John has helped me a bit as he went by the name of Peter. It took me a while to realise that both John and Peter were the same guy. It was John/Peter's sister who married the Galbraith. They all seemed to stay in Greenock from birth to death, except my grandfather who came to the USA in 1892. The guys were in construction - joiner and painter, etc. I do not have a Donald. Sorry we can't help each other and I do thank you for the reply. Best wishes, Catherine

Hi All, I found this on line and would like to share it with you all. Hope you enjoy it, LORI The Census It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready, a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water, as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions -- the best she was able. He asked of her children. Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age. The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon -- or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some, and write some, though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp -- its' now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. -- Anonymous

It would be so much easier to read your information if you edited the emails that you are replying to. So much waste of space and time consuming reading and rereading the same thing over and over again. Please try to be a little more considerate for the sake of others. I am also interested in Renfrew, but have just been reminded of why I stopped getting this Message Board a long time ago. No offence meant but would appreciate your consideration to others. David

Hi all, I am working on a brand new connection. Ann McKay Rodger married William Hunter Galbraith in Greenock in 1848. I think - still verifying- they had the following children: Catherine-1849, Mary Ann-1851, male not named- 1855, Elizabeth -1857, Mary Ann-1859, Margaret Malcom - 1862, Joan Allison-1863, Wilhelmina-1865, William Hunter-1867, John-1870, Jane Downie-1872. The name varies between Galbraith and Galbreath in the early records. Most of the information from the IGI files has been confirmed via Scotlandspeople. I would be interested in sharing information with anyone with a similar interest in this name. Best wishes, Catherine

Hi Gail Have you seem this site? http://www.royalriver.net/meldrum/ There is also a Muldrow web page which I can't find at the moment, I thought I had it in my favourites as there are connections with McMuldroch's (my area of research) but it is not there! Senile decay probably. Apaarently some of that lot changed to Meldrum's as well Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie Quigley" <quigbg@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > Hi Moira, we have recently discovered that my GGrandfather born abt 1841 > came from Grennock, Renfrew, we go by Melvin, when he converted to the R.C. > Faith at 17 in Nfld his name was record not as William Melvin but William > Meldrum. > > Would you have any information on this??? > > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > > > > Hi Frank, > > I know quite a bit more about my Paisley patons now and so I > > thought I'd update you in case we can make a link. > > Robert Paton b 1820 remains top of my tree, though having found his death > I > > am waiting to collect enough things I want from Scotlandspeople to go back > > on again!!. He was a shoemaker. He married Margaret Kerr in 1846 who died > > before 1873 and maybe long before this. He had three known children Robert > b > > 1850, Margaret 1847 and Annie. Robert junior was blind and a piano tuner. > He > > went on to marry Maggie Allan, and I now know that Robert's maternal aunt > > Agnes married Maggie's widowed father and brought up his children. At very > > least therefore Robert married his step cousin. > > If as family story has it Robert was rejected by his father, who didn't > die > > till 1882, and he was brought up by a maternal aunt, hence adding Kerr to > > his name, he may have been brought up in the same household as Maggie. > > > > Robert put 3 Orchard street, Londonderry as his usual address on his > > marriage certificate in 1873 and lived at Alexander Terrace, Coleraine > when > > he was the informant for his father-in laws death ( the same person who > was > > his uncle by marriage). > > Robert and his family were back in Glasgow by 1901 and he died there in > > 1918. The last son definately born in Ireland was born in Coleraine in > 1885. > > The eldest daughter was born in Paisley, but they may have come back just > > for the birth as that was not uncommon. So he may have been in Ireland > > before the marriage and right through till later than 1885 except for > > visits. > > All I know about Annie Paton is that she was supposed to be a spinster and > > to live on the Glasgow Road. My granny was named for her, but no I know of > > no Dumfries links at all, definately no Kerr ones (yet!). > > Regards > > Moira > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank McGonigal" <bankie@cedarwoods.com> > > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > > > > > > > Moira > > > You mentioned that the Patons went to Ulster for an extended > > > period,what info do you have on that ?? > > > I'll see if I can find out more from John about his side. > > > By the way,my gr.gr.grandmother was Annie Kerr from Tynron > > > Dumfries,any connections to that Shire.She married Peter Dewar of > > > Wiston Lanarkshire. > > > > > > Frank McGonigal ( born in Clydebank Dunbartonshire ) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > > > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > > > > > > > > > > Hi Frank, > > > > My great grandfather was born Robert Paton in Paisley > > > but was > > > > known as and died as Robert Paton Kerr. His offspring took the > > > surname Kerr. > > > > His father was Robert Paton and his mther was Margaret Kerr. There > > > are at > > > > least four possible reasons why he took his mothers surname and > > > sadly two > > > > different versions have been handed down! > > > > RPK was born 1851 Paisley (but not Abbey I looked!). > > > > His father was born around 1820 and his mother, the same. RPK had a > > > sister > > > > Margaret according to IGI and a sister Annie according to the > > > family. > > > > Thats all I know so far... > > > > Moira > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > > ********************************************************************** > > > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew >

Hello Jean, Thanks for your reply. For years we carried on with the assumption that the name was actually Watts. We now have death certificates of two of her daughters, one in Edinburgh and one in Argyle, a death certificate for a son from Bracadale,and a marriage of a son from Inverness. All the certificates are in different handwriting and definately are Ivatts. You can see the capital I and then the vatts or vats. I can't believe there are so few people around with this name.I can't find a marriage certificate for James and Emily Stephen. Several of their children were born in India. Perhaps they were married there as well. Thanks again. Joan BC Canada

Elizabeth McIntosh F: Archibald McIntosh M: Flora (I blv) McDonald Elizabeth M: 1862 Paisley Anyone researching this person? Heather

> From: Marv and Jo Stevens <jomarv@shaw.ca> > My apologies if you receive this on more than one list. I am searching the > surname IVATTS. I have an Emily STEPHEN ms IVATTS. Any searching I have done > for this name comes up blank. There are a few on the IGI but they are mostly > in the 1600. > Is anyone familiar with this name? ___________ Just a thought, Joan. Do you have any original documents with the spelling IVATTS? I ask because there are WATTS historically in Scotland. And I can see someone wrongly transcribing your ancestral name sometime in the past. Jean Brocklebank

Hi frank, I couldn't resist going on to SP and getting more info. Robert 1820 was born to John Paton shoemaker and Marion Craig. His first wife died before 1856 when Robert married his second wife Annie Blackie McAlpine and had at least six children with her. It looks like the Ann Paton was hers, as well as Jane Munn, John, William McAlpine, Marion and James. Jane married David Harvey. John married twice, once to Catherine Moore and then to Jame Ritchie Pearson who survived him. These two died in Paisley so I could pick them out. The others will have to wait till I can find out more from census data before I can pinpoint them! Somebody will know these folk! Moira ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McGonigal" <bankie@cedarwoods.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > Hi Moira > I tried to forward your new information to John Paton my 4th cousin > but it bounced. > I'll try and get his new E mail addy,that shouldn't be too hard,as > he's married to my wifes niece !! > Cheers > Frank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > > > > Hi Frank, > > I know quite a bit more about my Paisley patons now > and so I > > thought I'd update you in case we can make a link. > > Robert Paton b 1820 remains top of my tree, though having found his > death I > > am waiting to collect enough things I want from Scotlandspeople to > go back > > on again!!. He was a shoemaker. He married Margaret Kerr in 1846 > who died > > before 1873 and maybe long before this. He had three known children > Robert b > > 1850, Margaret 1847 and Annie. Robert junior was blind and a piano > tuner. He > > went on to marry Maggie Allan, and I now know that Robert's maternal > aunt > > Agnes married Maggie's widowed father and brought up his children. > At very > > least therefore Robert married his step cousin. > > If as family story has it Robert was rejected by his father, who > didn't die > > till 1882, and he was brought up by a maternal aunt, hence adding > Kerr to > > his name, he may have been brought up in the same household as > Maggie. > > > > Robert put 3 Orchard street, Londonderry as his usual address on his > > marriage certificate in 1873 and lived at Alexander Terrace, > Coleraine when > > he was the informant for his father-in laws death ( the same person > who was > > his uncle by marriage). > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > >

My apologies if you receive this on more than one list. I am searching the surname IVATTS. I have an Emily STEPHEN ms IVATTS. Any searching I have done for this name comes up blank. There are a few on the IGI but they are mostly in the 1600. Is anyone familiar with this name? TIA Joan BC Canada

In a message dated 2/28/03 10:15:21 PM GMT Standard Time, d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au writes: > My Lyle names came out of Kilmacolm and I would be interested in any Lyle > names from Renfrewshire as some of them did move around a little Hi David, I wonder if , within the Lyles you have in your records, do you have James Lyle (Farmer) and Ann Caldwell...both deceased by 8th November 1887 when their son Robert Lyle aged 68yrs died in Paisley Wellmeadow Street??? His wife was Marion Crawford from Erskine was a local midwife in Paisley. Robert and Marion Lyle were my ancestors but I have been round in circles trying to find Robert's family ...because of the huge number of Lyle families all over Renfrewshire way back then.. I would greatly appreciate any help you or any other list member can give me. Thanks .............Moira Crawford

Sorry Gail, No information on Meldrum at all. Hope some else on list can link. Moira ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie Quigley" <quigbg@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > Hi Moira, we have recently discovered that my GGrandfather born abt 1841 > came from Grennock, Renfrew, we go by Melvin, when he converted to the R.C. > Faith at 17 in Nfld his name was record not as William Melvin but William > Meldrum. > > Would you have any information on this??? > > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > > > > Hi Frank, > > I know quite a bit more about my Paisley patons now and so I > > thought I'd update you in case we can make a link. > > Robert Paton b 1820 remains top of my tree, though having found his death > I > > am waiting to collect enough things I want from Scotlandspeople to go back > > on again!!. He was a shoemaker. He married Margaret Kerr in 1846 who died > > before 1873 and maybe long before this. He had three known children Robert > b > > 1850, Margaret 1847 and Annie. Robert junior was blind and a piano tuner. > He > > went on to marry Maggie Allan, and I now know that Robert's maternal aunt > > Agnes married Maggie's widowed father and brought up his children. At very > > least therefore Robert married his step cousin. > > If as family story has it Robert was rejected by his father, who didn't > die > > till 1882, and he was brought up by a maternal aunt, hence adding Kerr to > > his name, he may have been brought up in the same household as Maggie. > > > > Robert put 3 Orchard street, Londonderry as his usual address on his > > marriage certificate in 1873 and lived at Alexander Terrace, Coleraine > when > > he was the informant for his father-in laws death ( the same person who > was > > his uncle by marriage). > > Robert and his family were back in Glasgow by 1901 and he died there in > > 1918. The last son definately born in Ireland was born in Coleraine in > 1885. > > The eldest daughter was born in Paisley, but they may have come back just > > for the birth as that was not uncommon. So he may have been in Ireland > > before the marriage and right through till later than 1885 except for > > visits. > > All I know about Annie Paton is that she was supposed to be a spinster and > > to live on the Glasgow Road. My granny was named for her, but no I know of > > no Dumfries links at all, definately no Kerr ones (yet!). > > Regards > > Moira > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank McGonigal" <bankie@cedarwoods.com> > > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > > > > > > > Moira > > > You mentioned that the Patons went to Ulster for an extended > > > period,what info do you have on that ?? > > > I'll see if I can find out more from John about his side. > > > By the way,my gr.gr.grandmother was Annie Kerr from Tynron > > > Dumfries,any connections to that Shire.She married Peter Dewar of > > > Wiston Lanarkshire. > > > > > > Frank McGonigal ( born in Clydebank Dunbartonshire ) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > > > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > > > > > > > > > > Hi Frank, > > > > My great grandfather was born Robert Paton in Paisley > > > but was > > > > known as and died as Robert Paton Kerr. His offspring took the > > > surname Kerr. > > > > His father was Robert Paton and his mther was Margaret Kerr. There > > > are at > > > > least four possible reasons why he took his mothers surname and > > > sadly two > > > > different versions have been handed down! > > > > RPK was born 1851 Paisley (but not Abbey I looked!). > > > > His father was born around 1820 and his mother, the same. RPK had a > > > sister > > > > Margaret according to IGI and a sister Annie according to the > > > family. > > > > Thats all I know so far... > > > > Moira > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > > ********************************************************************** > > > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > >

Hi Frank, I know quite a bit more about my Paisley patons now and so I thought I'd update you in case we can make a link. Robert Paton b 1820 remains top of my tree, though having found his death I am waiting to collect enough things I want from Scotlandspeople to go back on again!!. He was a shoemaker. He married Margaret Kerr in 1846 who died before 1873 and maybe long before this. He had three known children Robert b 1850, Margaret 1847 and Annie. Robert junior was blind and a piano tuner. He went on to marry Maggie Allan, and I now know that Robert's maternal aunt Agnes married Maggie's widowed father and brought up his children. At very least therefore Robert married his step cousin. If as family story has it Robert was rejected by his father, who didn't die till 1882, and he was brought up by a maternal aunt, hence adding Kerr to his name, he may have been brought up in the same household as Maggie. Robert put 3 Orchard street, Londonderry as his usual address on his marriage certificate in 1873 and lived at Alexander Terrace, Coleraine when he was the informant for his father-in laws death ( the same person who was his uncle by marriage). Robert and his family were back in Glasgow by 1901 and he died there in 1918. The last son definately born in Ireland was born in Coleraine in 1885. The eldest daughter was born in Paisley, but they may have come back just for the birth as that was not uncommon. So he may have been in Ireland before the marriage and right through till later than 1885 except for visits. All I know about Annie Paton is that she was supposed to be a spinster and to live on the Glasgow Road. My granny was named for her, but no I know of no Dumfries links at all, definately no Kerr ones (yet!). Regards Moira ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McGonigal" <bankie@cedarwoods.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > Moira > You mentioned that the Patons went to Ulster for an extended > period,what info do you have on that ?? > I'll see if I can find out more from John about his side. > By the way,my gr.gr.grandmother was Annie Kerr from Tynron > Dumfries,any connections to that Shire.She married Peter Dewar of > Wiston Lanarkshire. > > Frank McGonigal ( born in Clydebank Dunbartonshire ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] McCrone of Paisley > > > > Hi Frank, > > My great grandfather was born Robert Paton in Paisley > but was > > known as and died as Robert Paton Kerr. His offspring took the > surname Kerr. > > His father was Robert Paton and his mther was Margaret Kerr. There > are at > > least four possible reasons why he took his mothers surname and > sadly two > > different versions have been handed down! > > RPK was born 1851 Paisley (but not Abbey I looked!). > > His father was born around 1820 and his mother, the same. RPK had a > sister > > Margaret according to IGI and a sister Annie according to the > family. > > Thats all I know so far... > > Moira > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > >

Hi Moira I tried to forward your new information to John Paton my 4th cousin but it bounced. I'll try and get his new E mail addy,that shouldn't be too hard,as he's married to my wifes niece !! Cheers Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] patons of Paisley > Hi Frank, > I know quite a bit more about my Paisley patons now and so I > thought I'd update you in case we can make a link. > Robert Paton b 1820 remains top of my tree, though having found his death I > am waiting to collect enough things I want from Scotlandspeople to go back > on again!!. He was a shoemaker. He married Margaret Kerr in 1846 who died > before 1873 and maybe long before this. He had three known children Robert b > 1850, Margaret 1847 and Annie. Robert junior was blind and a piano tuner. He > went on to marry Maggie Allan, and I now know that Robert's maternal aunt > Agnes married Maggie's widowed father and brought up his children. At very > least therefore Robert married his step cousin. > If as family story has it Robert was rejected by his father, who didn't die > till 1882, and he was brought up by a maternal aunt, hence adding Kerr to > his name, he may have been brought up in the same household as Maggie. > > Robert put 3 Orchard street, Londonderry as his usual address on his > marriage certificate in 1873 and lived at Alexander Terrace, Coleraine when > he was the informant for his father-in laws death ( the same person who was > his uncle by marriage).