Lois, Yes it has changed name - if you would look at a modern day map - West Croft St. was that small part of Abercorn St. running N. from junction with Old Sneddon St./Weir St. to the corner of North Croft St. South Croft St. is now Weir St. East Croft St. ran N. from the E. end of North Croft St.(when it used to extend further east than it does today) to the E. end of Niddry St. (East Croft therefore now a part of the Renfrew Rd.) Hope you can understand them - Jack ================= > Hi All, > > Could someone please tell me where West Croft Street, Paisley would have been in the 1820s-1840s? I've tried looking on present UK maps but it doesn't seem to be there any longer. Could it have been re-named? > > Many thanks. > > Lois

> From: "duncan malcolm" <duncanmalcolm@omne.uk.net> > My ancestors also lived in George Street and were Weavers. __________________ As were mine! Brocklebanks and McGowans at 10 George Street. Jean

Hi, Would anyone know where Cowgate Street, Greenock, used to be/or is? [1865-1910 anyway]. My grandfather was born at #9 Cowgate. I plan a trip to Scotland in May and would really like to at least get near to that spot. Thanks, Catherine

Hi Jack, Thank you so much for explaining this so well. I have now found where West Croft Street would be on a modern map. You sound like you now a lot about Paisley streets. Would you possibly know what is/was at 108 George Street, Paisley? One of my McNaughts lived there in 1841. Was this an area for weavers? Any information greatly appreciated. Lois Hamilton, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Mills" <jackmills@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:58 AM Subject: re: [Renfrew] West Croft Street, Paisley > Lois, > Yes it has changed name - if you would look at a modern day map - > > West Croft St. was that small part of Abercorn St. running N. from junction with > Old Sneddon St./Weir St. to the corner of North Croft St. > > South Croft St. is now Weir St. > > East Croft St. ran N. from the E. end of North Croft St.(when it used to extend > further east than it does today) to the E. end of Niddry St. (East Croft therefore > now a part of the Renfrew Rd.) > > Hope you can understand them - Jack > > ================= > > > Hi All, > > > > Could someone please tell me where West Croft Street, Paisley would have been in > the 1820s-1840s? I've tried looking on present UK maps but it doesn't seem to be > there any longer. Could it have been re-named? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Lois > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Heloo Moira, I have a very slim chance connection. Mary KERR b abt 1798 married James RICHARDSON abt 1816 Their child Elizabeth RICHARDSON b abt 1819, d 1896 Paisley married my David SWEENIE b 1819 d 1879 Paisley These facts, (not abt) were from Death Certs and Marriage Certs David and Elizabeth SWEENIE had Anne Sweenie 1843 Paisley d in infancy on parents headstone James Sweenie Nov 1844 Paisley ( mine) married 4 times died Rothesay William Sweenie 1846 Paisely d in infancy on parents headstone Janet Robertson Sweenie 1847 Neilston, Spinster d Paisley Mary Louise Sweenie 1849 Paisley, married William Whyte ,went Durham David Sweenie 1852 Paisley, on 1851 census ...Lost him Elizabeth Richardson Sweenie abt 1854 Paisley , Spinster d Paisley This is in my too hard basket for now. Irene

Hello Irene, I dont have a Mary listed, IGI lists a Margaret in 1786,an Elizabeth in 1798 then twins Margaret and William in 1800. So unless Elizabeth is Mary (it's happened before on my tree twice!) there doesn't appear to be room for a fit. Thanks for the reply, which I will keep anyhow. I love the idea of a too hard file..John Kerrs, Browns, Smiths and Scotts would fill mine up! Apologies to all- my snip won't work for some reason Regards and good hunting Moira ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Polkinghorne" <polk@ihug.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] KERR Port Glasgow > Heloo Moira, > > I have a very slim chance connection. > > Mary KERR b abt 1798 married James RICHARDSON abt 1816 > > Their child Elizabeth RICHARDSON b abt 1819, d 1896 Paisley married my > David SWEENIE b 1819 d 1879 Paisley > > These facts, (not abt) were from Death Certs and Marriage Certs > > David and Elizabeth SWEENIE had > Anne Sweenie 1843 Paisley d in infancy on parents > headstone > James Sweenie Nov 1844 Paisley ( mine) married 4 times died > Rothesay > William Sweenie 1846 Paisely d in infancy on parents > headstone > Janet Robertson Sweenie 1847 Neilston, Spinster d Paisley > Mary Louise Sweenie 1849 Paisley, married William Whyte ,went Durham > David Sweenie 1852 Paisley, on 1851 census ...Lost him > Elizabeth Richardson Sweenie abt 1854 Paisley , Spinster d Paisley > > This is in my too hard basket for now. > Irene > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > >

Hi All, Could someone please tell me where West Croft Street, Paisley would have been in the 1820s-1840s? I've tried looking on present UK maps but it doesn't seem to be there any longer. Could it have been re-named? Many thanks. Lois

Hi Folks, New lines are opening up. Any one out there link to them? Happy to trade info if you do or think you might! WILLIAM KERR married MARGARET AGNEW daughter of James on June 16 1782 in Port Glasgow. Their twelve children (six were sons including Hugh and Nathaniel as slightly rarer names ) were all born Port Glasgow. One daughter was Hutcheson Kerr, anyone recognise her? Google and noticeboards sugest plenty of Kerrs in the Port Glasgow area later than this, but my lines goes to Paisley then eventually Glasgow. My line is JAMES KERR b 1788 who married MARGARET GALBREATH in Paisley in 1817. At least eight children, this time mainly girls. One married a William ROBERTSON, another William ALLAN. Anyone following these families? Moira

Looking for information on ALEXANDER LAIRD and ELIZABETH SCOT, born appx. 1732 or later in Kilmacolm, Renfrewshire, and on their descendants. I am descended from Joseph C. who came to America in about 1816. I have just recently found information on Joseph's sister, Helen, from LDS website. Her husband and all her children, according to LDS, were born in 'CLOAK', Kilmacolm, Renfrewshire. Have not been able to find ANY information on CLOAK, whether it is an area, or perhaps the name of a parish in which the husband and children were christened. I am also very interested to find any Laird descendants still living in Scotland. also, the derivation of the name LAIRD as a surname, rather than a title. It has been suggested it was originally Viking in origin, perhaps originally as LAYARD or something like that. THE CHILDREN OF ALEXANDER LAIRD AND ELIZABETH SCOT: James Laird 1758 Helen Laird, 1760 (married John Holm 1783) Children: James, Elizabeth, Alexander, Ann, Agnes, John, Helen, Janet Alexander 1763 Robert 1765 William 1769 Joseph C. 1771 (Married Ellen Elleanor Morrison 1799 in Aberdeen) Children: William R., Elizabeth, Susan Anna, James, Alexander, Eleanor, John, Ernest, Peter. Joseph 1775 Thomas 1777 I have found many relatives descended from Joseph C. My database contains 2,200 names so far. Would also like to trace his sister Helen's descendants, HOLM family. Any help, advice, insight, would be appreciated! Silver Samantha Parnell Decendant of Alexander Laird and Elizabeth Scott “We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilization” -- Voltaire Genealogy websites to which I contribute information: http://www.gencircles.com http://www.geneanet.org http://www.worldconnect.rootsweb.com http://www.mytrees.com http://www.genealogy.com http://www.cousinconnect.com http://www.ancestry.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Listers, I apologize to those who will get this on more than one List. I will be unsubscribing soon, to take a month's R&R. If you want to write to me, please do so off List. And don't say anything interesting while I'm gone :-) I plan to be back in May Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada HARRISON Yorkshire, Staffordshire, London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark, Orkney, Glasgow, Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire & Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness, Swaziland SPENCE Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire, Islay, Dumbarton, Glasgow, Australia (Vic) BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannan McNABB Islay MURRAY Dumfries, Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries CALDWELL Tyrone, Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone, Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census.

Annette - could there be a connection from your McCalmans to this family ? Helen MCCALMAN b: 1819 in Kilchrenen, Argyllshire d: 05-Oct-1900 in Camlachie Alexander MCARTHUR b: 25-May-1809 in Bonhill d: 17-Sep-1885 in Glasgow (married 02-Jun-1844 Barony - OPR not checked for futher info) Children: Alexander MCARTHUR b: 28-Dec-1844 in Barony Mary MCARTHUR b: 02-Aug-1846 in Barony John MCARTHUR b: 23-Dec-1848 in Glasgow Margaret MCARTHUR b: 24-Dec-1850 in Barony d: Bef. 1855 James MCARTHUR b: 10-May-1855 in Bridgeton d: 06-Jan-1924 in Glasgow Donald MCARTHUR b: 29-Mar-1859 in Bridgeton Margaret MCARTHUR b: 15-Mar-1861 in Bridgeton Jane MCARTHUR b: 16-Nov-1863 in Bridgeton Helen was also known as Helen McIndoe - I don't know why. Parents were Donald (wood joiner) and Helen McCalman Happy to share other information if you can find the link. Regards, Stuart ADAM Aberdeen, Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Fulford" <arfulford@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: [Renfrew] McCalman family > I am researching the McCalman family of Paisley. If anyone is interested in > the family, I would love to hear from you. > > Annette Fulford > British Columbia, Canada > > > Malcolm McCalman d: Bef. 1872. He married Janet McArthur b: Abt. 1811 d: 18 > March 1879 in Kilmunn, Argyle, SCT m: 31 October 1834 in Abbey, Paisley, > Renfrewshire, SCT. They had the following children: > .... Mary McCalman b: 13 May 1838 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire > > .... Alexander McCalman b: 26 May 1840 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire > > .... Archibald McArthur McCalman b: 14 March 1842 Abbey, Paisley, > Renfrewshire, SCT d: 18 November 1873 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, SCT > Baptised: 10 April 1842 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, SCT. He married Grace > McGarva b: Abt. May 1850 Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire, SCT d: 14 December 1874 > in Cairngarroch, Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire, SCT m: 12 June 1872 in Anderston, > Glasgow, SCT Baptised: 5 March 1851 Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire, SCT (my > branch) > > .... 2 Malcolm McCalman b: 4 January 1844 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, SCT >

On behalf of a friend in Lower Hutt, Wellington. New Zealand. I would like to thank two wonderful people who have sent me information on the Brown/McCaskill marriage. I telephoned him tonight, did not mind doing a toll call down to Wellington. he is absolutely delighted in the findings.. so thank you very much, if anything else comes to light, please let me know, then I can relay on to Colin.. Think I have made his day! He said, he never would have thought of the different spelling that Win came up with! Perhaps it was spelt the way it was pronounced? MECKISKILL....the Scottish accent my friends.. love it! Colin did say when I met up with him last Wednesday, if Adele can"t find out anything, no one will, so between us... a pat on the back! Adele Pentony-Graham Sec. Carterton District Historical Society

Trevor, the 2 main cemeteries now used in Paisley are - Hawkhead. & Woodside. If go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-RENFREW.html < and click on SEARCH the SCT - RENFREW archives. Search for Woodside in the 2003 database, you'll get details of them in messages 2 & 5. Jack --------------------------- Trevor wrote - Looking for help with the following death. Julia ETHELL (nee DUFF) born 1874. died 20 June 1941 Paisley, aged 67 years. Living at 8 Alice Street,Paisley.Married to William ETHELL. The parents of the above were Terence DUFF, Boiler Stoker (deceased) & Margaret DUFF (nee BROWN). Informant of the death was Kate ETHELL, daughter, 8 Alice Street,Paisley. The above info was extracted from the Death Cert . Could SKS tell me where Julia is likley to be buried and if there are any Monumental Inscriptions available for the cemetery's in Paisley.

I am researching the McCalman family of Paisley. If anyone is interested in the family, I would love to hear from you. Annette Fulford British Columbia, Canada Malcolm McCalman d: Bef. 1872. He married Janet McArthur b: Abt. 1811 d: 18 March 1879 in Kilmunn, Argyle, SCT m: 31 October 1834 in Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, SCT. They had the following children: .... Mary McCalman b: 13 May 1838 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire .... Alexander McCalman b: 26 May 1840 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire .... Archibald McArthur McCalman b: 14 March 1842 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, SCT d: 18 November 1873 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, SCT Baptised: 10 April 1842 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, SCT. He married Grace McGarva b: Abt. May 1850 Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire, SCT d: 14 December 1874 in Cairngarroch, Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire, SCT m: 12 June 1872 in Anderston, Glasgow, SCT Baptised: 5 March 1851 Stoneykirk, Wigtownshire, SCT (my branch) .... 2 Malcolm McCalman b: 4 January 1844 Abbey, Paisley, Renfrewshire, SCT

In case you are not already aware, there is an 1847 Classified Directory online for Paisley, Johnstone and Greenock at the following site: http://www.historicaldirectories.org There doesn't seem to be any easy way to access it, however. You should click on Search, then type in Glasgow Directory (no quotation marks). This then shows Slater's Classified Directory of the following important English towns--no mention of Scotland! Clicking on this will then bring up the Glasgow Directory, and the Paisley, Johnstone and Greenock Directories follow at the end. I have not found any easy way to find a particular page you are looking for other than to go page-by-page until you reach the required one. Note, keying in a surname does not bring up all the references to that particular name. If you've got the patience to go through it, however, it could be very worthwhile. I certainly found it so. Lois McNaught Hamilton, Canada

Thankyou Ken for your email. I am sorry not to have deleted the tag. I do know that this is not good, but it was just a mistake. It should not happen again. I have much to share with people who have similar names, so trust the help can be of mutual benefit over time... Sincerely Thelma in Queensland. Montgomery - Down www.users.bigpond.com/mrbirrell/ JAMES COX - Connell - http://matthewbirrell.tripod.com/index.htm Cox-Upjohn - www.angelfire.com/rnb/mrbirrell/ Birrell-Kirk - www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/birrell2.html Bostock-Rafferty-Rhodes - http://birrell.1hwy.com/index.htm Irish-Scots - http://matthewbirrell.50megs.com/index.html Stokes-Yates-Owen - www.freehomepages.com/mrbirrell/ Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail.....

Dear Jim, Many thanks for emailing me about the places our forbears came from. We visited those places in 1995 and just loved the drive up the Clyde, passing through Broomielaw. James BIRRELL of Dunfermline (b.Newcastle on Tyne) left there on the "Cloncurry" for Queensland c.1886. That sounds like you enjoyed a wonderful youth. p.s. Jim, we have wonderful weather here, where we live, on the Sunshine Coast of Queensland. We live on the river, where such a lot of activities add the the pleasure... We have been to W.A. three times over many years and it too is a great state, clean and colourful..love it... Thelma New web pages as under. Montgomery - Down www.users.bigpond.com/mrbirrell/ JAMES COX - Connell/bostock - http://matthewbirrell.tripod.com/index.htm Cox-Upjohn - www.angelfire.com/rnb/mrbirrell/ Birrell-Kirk - www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/birrell2.html Bostock-Rafferty-Rhodes - http://birrell.1hwy.com/index.htm Irish-Scots - http://matthewbirrell.50megs.com/index.html Stokes-Yates-Owen - www.freehomepages.com/mrbirrell/ Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Baird" <jbaird@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Thelma" <mrbirrell@bigpond.com> Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2003 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Maltman - Birrell - Crawford Thelma, The Broomielaw was/is a quay on the north bank of the River Clyde near central Glasgow (quite a long way upriver from Renfrew). In my youth it was the quay that serviced the Irish ferries and also the paddle steamers that took day trippers "doon the watter". All the best Jim in sunny Western Australia, the state with the climate Queensland wishes it had! <g> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma" <mrbirrell@bigpond.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Maltman - Birrell - Crawford > John BIRRELL, one of the Birrell family out of Fife, worked in Glasgow and > d.c.1900. James BIRRELL left from the port of Broomielaw, which is in > Renfrew if I am reading it right.

Hello from Kiwiland. I am hoping sks can please help me, searching for WILLIAM BROWN married SARAH MCCASKILL APRIL 21ST 1837. can anyone find church please. and any other details. Belived to have had a son GEORGE later on, as he came out to NZ> 1860. But the marriage would be great... I have been told GREENOCK. Wondered where they each lived prior to wedding and after if possible... many many thanks. I am on so many Rootsweb sites searching for the Early Settlers Roots! Thank you. Adele Pentony-Graham http://www.geocities.com/carterton_historical_society Researching Early Settlers to Carterton District. NZ> (I put NZ as there is a Carterton in UK!) and Clareville Cemetery.

Marg It is all very well to send a huge LIST of names of your "tree" in the hope of making contact with other researchers of your names but ....... some time-frame would be useful to save other researchers wasting their time too ...... For example ...... how far back are you with the SMITH line? Or the Hall, Cole, Thornburn line, etcetera ..... Those names "interest" you, but without dates ....... you'll get lots of " my Great Grandmother was a Smith .... any connection" LOL A little more information is required. Janelle COLE, THORBURN, MCWHINNIE, SMITH, WHARRIE, GREIG, STEELE, WHITE, ADAMS, DUKE, HALL, MACLEAN These are names that interest me to varying degrees. If you have any connection, please let me know. Cheers........Marg Ontario, Canada ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire Query board is at http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by CyberOne E-Mail Spam and Virus Protection Service, and is believed to be clean from viruses. CyberOne accepts no responsibility for the content of messages in transit through our servers. -- Suspected unsolicited commercial bulk messages (SPAM) have been marked with {Spam?} tag in the subject line enabling you to filter them out by using your mail software's filtering capabilities. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 25/03/03

I am reposting my families of interest. James Eadie (Edie Eddie) Christian MacLaren Born August 2, 1786 Callender Perth William Davidson Born June 22, 1823 Abby Parish, Paisley Christan Eadie (Edie Eddie) Born April 14, 1826 Old Monkland Thomas Davidson Married to Jean Gibb, 12, Oct 1834 Agnes Davidson married to George Hunter Nov 29, 1840 Bothwell, Lanark John Davidson married Mary Steel June 1, 1839 Old Monkland I would like to hear from anyone having a connection to these families. Eleanor Grand Forks, B.C Canada Webmail from Sunshine Communications -- www.sunshinecable.com