Moira, many thanks - I certainly will try this. Thanks again. J.

Dear Eleanor, I should be grateful to receive the details of marriage of CHARLES MAIN and MARGARET PINKERTON 1857. Many thanks, Jeannette

Hi Juanita, Here is the origianal address that Brian sent. When I click on the address in your email, I get an error message...when I click on Brian's version, it takes me to the correct page. I don't know the difference. Could it be a small "L"...l? Jackie Further to my last you might like to have a look at this website: http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ HTH Brian ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <JuanitaPatterson@cs.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: [Renfrew] "Mariners" web address > Someone furnished address: http://www.mariners-1.co.uk/ - I could not find a > symbol -1 except the number. Would someone be aable to tell me where on my > keyboard to find the perpendicular bar following mariners-?. Sorry to be so > stupid but have searched my keyboard w/no luck. Many thanks J. > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >

Moira, I think you have opened a Pandora's Box here. Are these records searchable via Internet and can anybody look at them? If not I have four names for you please. Credidio, Bratchie, Brotchie & Lyle. Your help would be most appreciated if you have the time. >Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:28:47 +0100 >From: "Moira Ledger" <moira@maledger.fsnet.co.uk> >To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com >Dear Marjorie, > I understand that going to Kew with just a name is >likely to be a long and tedious process. If Robert was a fisherman you have >no choice, but if he was a merchant seaman, especially if he got a ticket as >a mate or similar then he might be in my local archives. Then you'd have a >number for him too. > These are free to search. >Do you have a date of birth and place of birth for Robert, >If so I will have a look for you. > Moira Regards David B. Lyle

Hi, Are your Laird's from Greenock? Jackie Scottsdale, Arizona USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samantha Parnell" <Samantha_Parnell@msn.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: [Renfrew] UPDATE ON NAMES I AM RESEARCHING IN RENFREWSHIRE > LAIRD, SCOTT, LINDSAY, HOLM (HOLMES), WATSON > > I also have some information on these lines if anyone else is searching the same. > > Silver Samantha Parnell > Descendant of Alexander Laird and Elizabeth Scott > > “We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilization” -- Voltaire > > Genealogy websites to which I contribute information: > > http://www.gencircles.com > > http://www.geneanet.org > > http://www.worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > http://www.mytrees.com > > http://www.genealogy.com > > http://www.cousinconnect.com > > http://www.ancestry.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm >

Further to my last you might like to have a look at this website: http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ HTH Brian

Re: 1.) National Maritime Museum, Greenhill London SE10 9NF That should be Greenwich not Greenhill. HTH Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <MoiraC40@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Merchant Navy Interests. > Hi folks, > I am not sure if this will be helpfull for all/any listers looking for M N > ancestors , but I have 3 suggestions which I picked up in the last couple of > years from genealogical lists. Apologies if I am repeating suggestions from > others . > 1.) National Maritime Museum, > Greenhill > London SE10 9NF (with crew lists for 'some' (?) years back) > 2.) General Register& Records Office of Shipping and Seamen, > 12 Cheviot Close > Parc Ty Close, > Llanishen, > Cardiff, > Wales CF4 5JA (also holds crew lists) > 3.) Mrs J Hill > Southampton Archives, > Southampton City Council, > Civic Centre, > Southampton,SO147LY ( with an ID number, Scottish searches too) > I have never used any of the above search agencies ...but as I have no > English/Welsh rellies I must have thought there was some use in noting down > the above for future use...when necessary. Perhaps a search for a telephone > number/ email address and a quick contact could confirm the relevancy of the > above in your particular circumstances? > Good Luck, > Moira > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html >

Dear Moira, Thanks for you kind offer of a lookup. My Gr-Gr-Granfather William Stoakes or Stokes, born 1822 (probably Aug-Dec), was a merchant seaman and later in life was a ships watchman in Greenock. He was born in St. Mary's London, England, and must have traveled often to Greenock because he married & lived out his life there. He was a merchant seaman until at least 1860 (for sure) and probably later, but was a ship's watchman by 1881. I am including below the info that I have on him from my PAF notes, just in case you or someone else on the list might see something in the details that I am missing. As you can see from the info, some of the details do conflict. I don't know if there is enough info here to find him at your library or at the Kew. What do you think? Jackie P.S. If you ever break that leg & have 6 months free....let me know... I would be glad to help you put that online. <LOL> *************************** GRO564/03 0009 25, William STOAKES Catherine McLACHLAN OPR M 0 Feb 1848 Greenock Old or West 1848-MARRIAGE: OPR, 564/3, 09: William Stoakes, a mariner, son to William Stoakes, a farmer, St. Mary's London and Catherine McLachlan, Daughter of John McLachlan, a collier, Argyleshire, both residing in Old Parish, booked 29th January 1848 and married February 1848. 1851-CENSUS-INDEX: STOAKES Greenock Middle, Renfrew Parish # 436 ED 35 Page 4, Line 10/11 1851-ADDRESS: East Gray Lane, Number 7, Greenock , Middle, Renfrew, Scotland. 1851-HEAD: STOAKES William, married, male, 29 yrs old, Mariner, born England 1851-WIFE: STOAKES Catherine, married, female, 28 yrs old, born Renfrewshire Greenock GRO 564/01 0001 ---- Stoakes 1856 F D 0 yrs Greenock New mother's M/S McLauchlan 1856-DEATH: baby girl ---- Stoakes, single, died 1 January 1856 at 10h. 0m. PM, 8 East Quay Lane, Greenock, female, 1 Day old. Father: William Stoakes, a Seaman (Merchant Service). Mother: Catherine Stoakes m/s McLauchlan. The baby girl died during an instrumental delivery as Certified by Barclay Henry, M.D., who saw the deceased on 31st December 1855. She is buried in the Duncan Street Burial Place, Greenock, as certified by Daniel McGregor, Undertaker. Informant: William Stoakes, Father. Registered 2 January 1856 at Greenock by Robert Campbell, Registrar. GRO Codes 564/01 0252 Rosina Stoakes 1860 F B Greenock New 1860-BIRTH: Rosina Stoakes, born 31 July 1860 at 2h. 30m. AM at 20 Cathcart Street, Greenock, female. Father: William Stoakes, a Seaman ( Merchant Service). Mother: Catherine Stoakes m/s McLachlan. Informant: Wm. Stoakes (signed), Father, Present. Registered 11 August 1860 at Greenock by Robert Campbell, Registrar. 1881-CENSUS: House Ref: 373261 Address: 19 Cathcart Street Census Place: Middle Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland FHL Film #: 0203569 GRO Ref Volume (Gro1) 564-1 EnumDist (Gro3) 1 (GRO5) Page 12 (GRO 564-1 1 12) 1881-HEAD: William STOKES, married, male, 59 yrs old, born England, Ship Watchman. 1881-WIFE: Catherine STOKES, married, female, 58yrs old, born Greenock, Renfrew. GRO 564/03 0452 William Stokes 1885 M D 62 yrs Greenock West, Renfrew 1885-DEATH: William STOKES, a Ship Watchman, married to Catherine MacLachlan, died 23 August 1885 at 10h. 10m. AM, Infirmary Greenock, Usual Residence: 19 Cathcart Street, Greenock, male, 62 yrs old. Father: Jonathan Stokes, a farmer, (dec.). Mother: Ann Stokes m/s HAYLOR, (dec.). William died of Gangarene of the foot, Coma. As Certified by Abrams Gemmel, M.RG.S. Informant: William Stokes (signed), Son residing at 399 Mathieson Street, Southside, Glasgow. Registered 24 August 1885 at Greenock by A.R. Baird (signed), assistant Registrar, initialed RAB, Robert A. Baird, registrar. *************************** Hi Jackie, > No its at my local library! Rather hit and miss, one great uncle was there complete with photo, date and place of > birth....another was absent. The one who was there was an engineer, the other just a steward. They were both local but >it is a national resource. I dont mind doing a look up for you. I've not got to Kew yet but I am told having a number makes > it manyfold easier. If I break a leg and have six months off it's the archive I'd like to put on line! I dont see why they > wouldn't let me. Only trouble is my legs are both intact! > Moira > > Dear Moira, > > Is this archive online? I have a merchant sailor who is my brick wall. > > Thanks, > > Jackie > > >

LAIRD, SCOTT, LINDSAY, HOLM (HOLMES), WATSON I also have some information on these lines if anyone else is searching the same. Silver Samantha Parnell Descendant of Alexander Laird and Elizabeth Scott “We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilization” -- Voltaire Genealogy websites to which I contribute information: http://www.gencircles.com http://www.geneanet.org http://www.worldconnect.rootsweb.com http://www.mytrees.com http://www.genealogy.com http://www.cousinconnect.com http://www.ancestry.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Elenore... When you have the time, information on the following would be greatly appreciated: 1855 John Scott s/o George Scott & Janet Wood/ Agnes Glenn d/o Robert Glenn & Agnes Orr 1865 Robert Orr s/o James Orr & Janet Lang/ Margaret Holmes d/o John Holmes & Jane Holmes 1855 David Pollock (68) born Glasgow, s/o John Pollock & Sarah Lindsay. Wife Isabella Meldrom 1874 John Scott (88) widower of Jane Thomson, s/o John Scott & Margaret Clark 1855 Elizabeth Scott d/o Matthew Scott & Janet Barr (?) ----- Original Message ----- From: Elenore Chamberland Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:17 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] More Renfrew Certificates Marriages 1855 John Scott s/o George Scott & Janet Wood/ Agnes Glenn d/o Robert Glenn & Agnes Orr 1855 John Speir s/o John Speir & Janet Anderson/ Isabella Fulton d/o Robert Fulton & Margaret Hunter 1857 William Dinon s/o Willian Dinon & Ann Maloney/Mary Kennedy d/o Thomas Kennedy & Mary Callahan 1857 Walter McArthur s/o Walter McArthur & Ellen McCutcheon/Catherine McNeill d/o Archibald McNeill & Flora McConnochie 1857 Charles Main - an escaped slave, parents unknown/ Margaret Pinkerton d/o Alexander Pinkerton & Jean Lindsay 1857 Robert Simpson s/o Peter Simpson & Margaret Blair/Sarah Peacock d/o Hugh Peacock & Agnes Hamilton 1865 Robert Orr s/o James Orr & Janet Lang/ Margaret Holmes d/o John Holmes & Jane Holmes 1865 John Bell s/o John Bell & Margaret Clark/H. McDougall d/o James McDougall & Agnes Breckinridge Deaths: 1855 Robert McNeill (83) born Ireland s/o Robert McNeil & Margaret McNeil. Wife Mary Moody 1855 John Crawford (38) born Ireland s/o Thomas Crawford & Rebecaa Hamilton. Wife Mary Flood 1855 David Pollock (68) born Glasgow, s/o John Pollock & Sarah Lindsay. Wife Isabella Meldrom 1874 John Scott (88) widower of Jane Thomson, s/o John Scott & Margaret Clark 1874 Catherine Grahams, married to Thomas Grahams, (21) d/o James Howie & Elizabeth Shaw 1874 Mary Ann Canney 4 months d/o Samuel Canney & Elizabeth Jeffrey Births 1855 James Ferguson s/o George Ferguson & Mary Ann Mc........ both of Ireland 1855 Rebecca Rielly d/o Hugh Rielly & Catherine McFadysen both of Ireland 1855 Agnes Maxwell d/o Margaret Maxwell of Ireland 1855 William McPark s/o Mary Johnson, widow of Arthur Johnson, ms McPark 1855 Helen Shearer d/o Thomas Shearer & Catherine Shails both of Ireland 1855 Marion McIntyre d/o David McIntyre & Mary Sinclair 1855 Sarah Jane McClay d/o Joseph McClay & Sarah Jane Jarden 1855 Jane Sellers d/o Quentin Sellers & Helen Weir 1855 Peter Blain s/o Archibald Blain & Jane Gilfillan 1855 James McFarlane s/o John McFarlane & Ruth Thomson both of Ireland 1855 Agnes McLaren d/o Alexander McLaren & Elizabeth McColl 1855 Elizabeth Scott d/o Matthew Scott & Janet Barr (?) There could be spelling errors on these as some are very hard to read. Elenore Kamloops, B.C. ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.htmlGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Thanks so much, Elenore! Nice of you to take the time! ----- Original Message ----- From: Elenore Chamberland Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:17 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] For Silver re marriage certificate Hi Silver: 1866 Marriages in the Parish of Kilmalcolm in the County of Renfrew 1866 on the Twenty-sixth day of October at Kilmalcolm after banns according to the forms of the United Presbyterian Church. Alexander Holmes, mason, bachelor age 25, of Kilmalcolm, s/o Alexander Holmes, mason and Mary Holmes ms. Guy, Janet Templeton, spinster 28 of Lochwinnoch, d/o John Templeton, farm servant and Elizabeth Templeton, ms Geddes, (deceased) Witnesses John Holmes and Maggie McGurt (hard to read). James E. Fyfe, United Presbyterian Church, Kilmalcolm. Happy to help. Elenore At 10:21 PM 04/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, Elenore! > >I'd be really interested in the Alexander Holmes certificate. > >Silver Parnell >2800 Vail Drive SE #236 >Albuquerque, NM 87106 >U.S.A. > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.htmlGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Oops, sorry I should have said Phyllis Ziajka, referring to Robert STEEL SWEENIE Where is your Robert STEEL from Irene in NZ

Hi Elenore, Thank you for your offer. I would appreciate the details of the 1866 marriage of John McLaren & Helen Crawford. I am researching both HAY and WILSON in Renfrew. Regards Tim in Innisfil, Canada. Elenore Chamberland wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I have some Renfrewshire certificates that have the 2 entries on them. Will > list them by year and couples names and if anyone is interested I can send > you the information. > > 1861 James Holmes s/o Joseph Holmes & Isabella Lang/ Lilly Spence d/o Peter > Spence & Margaret Leslie > > 1861 Thomas McArthur s/o Thomas McArthur & Margaret > Davis/Sarah Tillbrook d/o George Tillbrook & Mary Ann Watson > > 1862 John Lang s/o James Lang & Jane Gibb/ Elizabeth Holmes, widow, d/o > James Laird & Elizabeth Blair > > 1862 Alex Erskine s/o Robert Erskine & Janet Millar/ Mary Fraser d/o > William Fraser & Elizabeth Crawford > > 1866 John McLaren s/o Duncan McLaren & Helen Crawford/ Sarah Hay d/o James > Hay & Sarah Wilson > > 1866 Alexander Holmes s/o Alexander Holmes & Mary Guy/ Janet Templeton d/o > John Templeton & Elizabeth Geddes > > 1867 John Craig s/o James Craig & Catherine Watson/ Elizabeth Alexader > Scott d/o David Scott & Agnes Guy > > 1867 Peter Fleming s/o John Fleming & Margaret Scott/ Mary lang d/o James > Lang &Jane Gibb > > Elenore > > Kamloops, B.C. > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/

Hello Marjory, Researching Robert STEEL My father was Robert STEEL SWEENIE born 11 Mar 1909 in Paisley RFW Scotland he was named for one of his father David SWEENIE'S friends from his work days in British West Africa a Robert Bruce STEEL. They were Engineers in a Gold mine there. David SWEENIE died in Paisley 1927 my dad brought us to NZ and died 1997 in NZ , I wish I had talked to him about this name and much more. But I have some of the old photos of the workers out there in British West Africa.. taken I suppose about 1920's, sitting in big cane chairs. Irene in New Zealand.

In a message dated 4/27/03 12:51:29 PM GMT Daylight Time, Beejaycave@btinternet.com writes: > That should be Greenwich not Greenhill. > > Thanks, Brian...

Hi after suggesting the 'Middle Names' website...I had another thought ..but had deleted your original email. ..Between 1795 and 1820 I found 19 people with the above names in Britain on the British Isles Vital Records CDs. If you contact me off list I will give you any help I can from these CDs during the years you are researching. I do note however the 'Grains' are mainly from Great Shelford/ Horningsea in Cambridgeshire.....also Chatham in Kent (collection BTs not sure what that means)...& one in Newcastle-under-lyne Staffs. .................There are also........... Robert Grahan b. 1798 Kirkmahoe, Dumfries, father : John Grahan Mother: Agness Kirkpatrick Source FHL film 1067965 Agness Grahan, b June 1818, Dryfesdale, Dumfries, Scotland F: James Grahan M: Chrisy Irving FHL 1067958 Mary Grain . Christening 29 Oct 1820 Methvyn, Perthshire (collection Associate Session Congregation) F. William Grain FHL 889483 Let me know again which years you are researching and it will same time...OK? Moirac40@aol.com

I would be interested in the Fleming Marriage certificate Thanks Jim Keddie 1867 Peter Fleming s/o John Fleming & Margaret Scott/ Mary lang d/o James Lang &Jane Gibb

Hi folks, I am not sure if this will be helpfull for all/any listers looking for M N ancestors , but I have 3 suggestions which I picked up in the last couple of years from genealogical lists. Apologies if I am repeating suggestions from others . 1.) National Maritime Museum, Greenhill London SE10 9NF (with crew lists for 'some' (?) years back) 2.) General Register& Records Office of Shipping and Seamen, 12 Cheviot Close Parc Ty Close, Llanishen, Cardiff, Wales CF4 5JA (also holds crew lists) 3.) Mrs J Hill Southampton Archives, Southampton City Council, Civic Centre, Southampton,SO147LY ( with an ID number, Scottish searches too) I have never used any of the above search agencies ...but as I have no English/Welsh rellies I must have thought there was some use in noting down the above for future use...when necessary. Perhaps a search for a telephone number/ email address and a quick contact could confirm the relevancy of the above in your particular circumstances? Good Luck, Moira

Hi, your ancestor's unusual middle name might be found on the following site set up for researching these helpfully different middle names................http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis Maybe that way you will see a geographical link.....and or find a few more ' Graines' pointing back to the original ' Graine' ?????? Worth a try I would think. Moira

Marriages 1855 John Scott s/o George Scott & Janet Wood/ Agnes Glenn d/o Robert Glenn & Agnes Orr 1855 John Speir s/o John Speir & Janet Anderson/ Isabella Fulton d/o Robert Fulton & Margaret Hunter 1857 William Dinon s/o Willian Dinon & Ann Maloney/Mary Kennedy d/o Thomas Kennedy & Mary Callahan 1857 Walter McArthur s/o Walter McArthur & Ellen McCutcheon/Catherine McNeill d/o Archibald McNeill & Flora McConnochie 1857 Charles Main - an escaped slave, parents unknown/ Margaret Pinkerton d/o Alexander Pinkerton & Jean Lindsay 1857 Robert Simpson s/o Peter Simpson & Margaret Blair/Sarah Peacock d/o Hugh Peacock & Agnes Hamilton 1865 Robert Orr s/o James Orr & Janet Lang/ Margaret Holmes d/o John Holmes & Jane Holmes 1865 John Bell s/o John Bell & Margaret Clark/H. McDougall d/o James McDougall & Agnes Breckinridge Deaths: 1855 Robert McNeill (83) born Ireland s/o Robert McNeil & Margaret McNeil. Wife Mary Moody 1855 John Crawford (38) born Ireland s/o Thomas Crawford & Rebecaa Hamilton. Wife Mary Flood 1855 David Pollock (68) born Glasgow, s/o John Pollock & Sarah Lindsay. Wife Isabella Meldrom 1874 John Scott (88) widower of Jane Thomson, s/o John Scott & Margaret Clark 1874 Catherine Grahams, married to Thomas Grahams, (21) d/o James Howie & Elizabeth Shaw 1874 Mary Ann Canney 4 months d/o Samuel Canney & Elizabeth Jeffrey Births 1855 James Ferguson s/o George Ferguson & Mary Ann Mc........ both of Ireland 1855 Rebecca Rielly d/o Hugh Rielly & Catherine McFadysen both of Ireland 1855 Agnes Maxwell d/o Margaret Maxwell of Ireland 1855 William McPark s/o Mary Johnson, widow of Arthur Johnson, ms McPark 1855 Helen Shearer d/o Thomas Shearer & Catherine Shails both of Ireland 1855 Marion McIntyre d/o David McIntyre & Mary Sinclair 1855 Sarah Jane McClay d/o Joseph McClay & Sarah Jane Jarden 1855 Jane Sellers d/o Quentin Sellers & Helen Weir 1855 Peter Blain s/o Archibald Blain & Jane Gilfillan 1855 James McFarlane s/o John McFarlane & Ruth Thomson both of Ireland 1855 Agnes McLaren d/o Alexander McLaren & Elizabeth McColl 1855 Elizabeth Scott d/o Matthew Scott & Janet Barr (?) There could be spelling errors on these as some are very hard to read. Elenore Kamloops, B.C.