Dear Listers, I am a new subscriber who is trying to help a new-found cousin in Australia trace her (our) Scottish ancestry. She sent me the following which I find fascinating!! >>> William Thom(p)son Tried and convicted at Stirling on 19.4.1843 for a theft committed 28/10/1842 with one Thomas Glover. Age given as 22 (dob c.1820). His statement at the time was that he lived in Edinburgh and, of course, was not guilty. Evidence given by a Paisley Policeman that he knew him as Thomas Bryson (also known as Brissland or Frael), convicted of theft at Burgh Court Paisley on 28.4.1837 and again at Glasgow Circuit Court on 6.1.1844. William was transported to Van Diemans Land (Tasmania) on the ship Lord Petre, arrived Hobart 15.10.1843. Convict record states William Thompson aged 22, native place Paisley, occupation Dyer and (unusual for the times) 5ft 7 ½ inches tall. Protestant, could read and write and noted as being "intelligent". William appears to have behaved himself here. He married Sarah Bickley at the Church of England Parish of Buckland on 28/4/1849. Their only son, James Bryson Thompson was baptised at Buckland on 23/4/1851. Here William disappears. James only lived until 1899, when he died of "Brights Disease of the Kidneys), aged 49, at Castlemaine Victoria. He left a widow, Mary-Anne (Polly) Blake Thompson, and 17 children whose descendants are scattered over Australia and New Zealand. I have contacted many of these and have fairly accurate records. There is a record of a death of a William Thompson in Hobart in 1851, the year James was baptised. This may be him but we cannot obtain proof at this stage. On the other hand, he may have turned into the James Frael who appeared in the Hawkesbury area of NSW in 1853 and established another family there who have no idea of his background! The kidney disease may be a clue. One of James sons' James also had a problem but he lived into his 70's. >>>> Would the records of the criminal trials be kept here in Scotland at NAS? Are BRYSON and THOM(P)SON (BISSLAND or FRAEL) familiar names from the area? Is anyone connected? Regards, Jane Kelly jane.kelly2@virgin.net in Scotland distantly related to this man.!!

I wonder if I could get a look-up please for my family on 1851 census. I have a query on 2 babies buried in parents grave at Woodside Cemetery. David SWEENIE m Elizabeth RICHARDSON on 30 Dec 1842 Neilston RFW on Marriage film it Gives them as David SWAINIE and Elizabeth RITCHIESON I guess that would be their accent.. These are the children I have for them 1st child I have is James SWEENIE b. Nov 1844 Paisley RFw my GG-Ggrdfather 2nd Child I have is Janet Robertson SWEENIE b. abt 1847 Neilston RFW did not marry 3rd Child I have is Mary Louise SWEENIE b abt 1849 b Paisley RFW went to Durham married William WHYTE 4th child I found on 1861 census born 1852 is David SWEENIE b Paisley lost him after 1871 census. The two children on Headstone are ANNE Sweenie infant no age and WILLIAM Sweenie. Possible born before 1851??? Maybe they are on 1851 census which I haven't managed to sight yet. I would really appreciate help with these two. I have the information on all others but lost David Sweenie after 1871 census. Is there anyone else out there researching SWEENIE any spelling ?? Irene in New Zealand (born Paisley)

I also purchased the above captioned discs from Salt Lake City. I found it completely useless -- even ancestors accessed on the Family History Center pages were NOT recorded on the discs. If I am not using this tool correctly, I wish some kind person would help me. I should also mention that I tried to return it and was told it was not returnable, even in original packing. Mesa, Az.

Hi William Mitchell Young & Margaret Jamieson Married at Abbey, Paisley 7th June 1842 They were born in c.1819 (in Paisley and Greenock respectively). They lived at 125 Montrose St, Glasgow (1881 Census). They were my great great grandparents and this is the extent of my knowledge. As a new subscriber, I shall be grateful for any further leads please? Warmly - Ian

Hello everyone, Can I add a small but important correction to Julie's information and her kind offer regarding the 1841 & 1851 Census Index information While there isn't an 1841 Index for Renfrew., there is an Index for the 1841 census of the Paisley parishes (Abbey Parish is only partly complete). It is held at the Paisley Local Studies Library. I don't know if their staff has the time to do look-ups. However, they may check a family if you phone 0141 889 2360 or E mail the Library at locstuds.els@renfrewshire.gov.uk. A person may need to phone back at a particular time to get the results. I used the Index last summer, so I know it's there and that it is very worthwhile. I will be in Paisley at the Library for 2-3 days in June and [I hope I won't regret this ;-) ] would be willing to check a family for listers. Perhaps one family per person until I see what the response is? And please, if there is a problem and I'm not able to complete this offer for everyone, will you be OK with that? Remember the Index is for Paisley only. I will do my best, Cheers, Don Wilson, A.G., Spanish Fork, UT. (formerly Pt. Sydney & Oakville, Ontario)

I'm hoping someone may recognize one of the following of my cousins.It's been a couple of years since I've heard from them. John Macdonald, born 1938 Paisley Fiona Ritchie Macdonald McQuarrie, born June 14, 1969, Paisley Husband: Neil McQuarrie, born about 1968 Iain Beaton Macdonald, born 1970, Paisley. Sally Drain didrain3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi All, just wondering if anyone has any experience or has purchased the British Vital Record Index from the LDS church, and wondered if its worth the purchase price.... I have been extremely pleased with the 1881 UK census, and the price was very reasonable... anybody have any feeback on the BVRI????????/ Thanks for any and all input Kerri _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Desperately searching for Robert DALGLIESH and family in Pollackshaws, Eastwood Renfrew in 1841 and 1851. Please and thank you Jocelyn

Hi Jackie! John Chisholm and Jane Cowden are my husband's G/Grandparents!! John (acc. to death cert) brn abt. 1844 Nitshill to Angus Chisholm and Margaret Campbell. Marr. Jane Cowden 4 Jan. 1875 in Abbey Paisley, had twins brn. 17th. Nov. 1884 Angus and Jeannie. Jeannie is my husband's Grandmother. Please e-mail me direct, at janoch2000@aol.com. Jeanette

Thanks very much for the offer Julie that is good of you. Mike got me the following family, which looks like the one I want. George McAusland aged 32 in Paisley district 468N Book 4 Page 15 line 4 Jean McAusland aged 21 is on line 5 Margaret McAusland aged 1 is on line 6 Would the FHC give more details re occupations etc? Best Wishes, Brian in Bedminster, Bristol, England Family History Webpage: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/n/Brian-Jones/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken & Julie Dufault" <kjathome@aspi.net> To: "Brian Jones" <brianjones@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: 13 May 2003 03:07 Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > Brian, > > Will be happy to have a look when I go to the FHC later this week. > > Julie > > >> > > Could I please impose on you in respect of a lookup on the 1851 census > index > > for Renfrew. > > > >

Hi Mike, many thanks for that, ANGUS CHISHOLM must have died before 1855, as I cannot find his death on scotlandpeople. I am trying to find his parents. Does the 1851 census give his birthplace? Many Thanks Jeanette ( from Pitlochry)

Hi Jackie, from 1840 our CHISHOLMS were from Nitshill, Neilston, Barrhead and Paisley. Angus Chisholm, we think, was born in Inverness as was his wife, Margaret Campbell. If you are looking for CHISHOLMS give me details and I will check for you. Kind Regards Jeanette

Thanks a lot for that Mike. > William of course hasn't been born yet Yes, that was pretty stupid of me LOL. Sorry! Best Wishes, Brian in Bedminster, Bristol, England Family History Webpage: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/n/Brian-Jones/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dowding" <m.dowding@virgin.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 12 May 2003 18:34 Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > Hi > In case Julie is busy (I know what happened when I indicated on the list > that I had the index!) the following are in the listing > George McAusland aged 32 in Paisley district 468N Book 4 Page 15 line 4 > Jean McAusland aged 21 is on line 5 > Margaret McAusland aged 1 is on line 6 > William of course hasn't been born yet > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Jones" <brianjones@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > > > > Hi Julie, > > > > Could I please impose on you in respect of a lookup on the 1851 census > index > > for Renfrew. > > > > I am looking for the family of WILLIAM MCAUSLAND/MACAUSLAND born circa > 1856 > > at Paisley his father was GEORGE LEMON MCAUSLAND date of birth unknown but > I > > would estimate it to be circa 1820's + or -. > > > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Brian in Bedminster, > > Bristol, England > > Family History Webpage: > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/n/Brian-Jones/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ken & Julie Dufault" <kjathome@aspi.net> > > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: 11 May 2003 19:11 > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > The 1841 and 1851 census is not on CD. They can get them in to look at > on > > > microfilm thru the LDS FHC's. No index for the 1841, but the 1851 has > > been > > > indexed by the Glasgow and West of Scotland Society. I have the > > microfiche, > > > which will give you name, age, parish, district, book/ed, page and line > > > numbers, save time not having to read the census line by line looking > for > > > your family. I can check the index for you. Let me know the names and > > > approximate ages and I'll see what comes up. > > > > > > Julie Dufault > > > Merrimack, New Hampshire, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > > ********************************************************************** > > > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew >

Hi Jeanette, Here are my CHISHOLMS: John Chisholm, a quarryman, (bn. abt 1846 in Nitshill, died before 1897) married 4 Jan 1875 in Abbey (Paisley) Jane Cowden (bn. abt 1849 Paisley). As of the 1881 census for Abbey (Paisley), they had 2 children John (bn abt 1876) and Elizh. (bn abt 1879). Young John married Margaret Jane McGhee on the 1 Mar 1897 in Paisley. Anything sound familiar? Jackie Scottsdale, Arizona USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Janoch2000@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: Re: CHISHOLM - 1841 and 1851 Census > > Hi Jackie, > from 1840 our CHISHOLMS were from Nitshill, Neilston, Barrhead and Paisley. > > Angus Chisholm, we think, was born in Inverness as was his wife, Margaret > Campbell. > > If you are looking for CHISHOLMS give me details and I will check for you. > > Kind Regards > Jeanette

I`m sorry butting in here - but as usual I lose track of the original offer. My James and Rachel Smith may be on the 1841 index for Renfrew. James was born Denny but wife Rachel born ?Kilmacolm Renfrew and eldest child Rachel was born Renfrew circa 1837. Next known children Helen, George, James and Margaret I believe where born in Denny. Would you mind searching for this family for me - the only marriage I can find for James Smith and Rachel McMillan is in 1828 - making a large gap to the first known child. Maybe some died early. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dowding" <m.dowding@virgin.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > Hi Jeanette > There's a couple of others as well! > At Neilston District 453 Book 11 Page 60 > Angus aged 36 on line 7 > Margaret aged 32 on line 8 > Charles aged 10 on line 9 > John aged 8 on line 10 > Agnes aged 3 on line 11 > Elizabeth aged 1 on line 12 > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Janoch2000@aol.com> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > > > > > > Hi Julie, > > > > how wonderful of you to do this. > > > > I am looking for; > > > > ANGUS CHISHOLM married to > > > > MARGARET " (nee Campbell) brn Lochaber, Inverness 1821/23 > > > > JOHN " " Nitshill, Renfrewshire > > abt. 1846 > > > > Charles " " " " > > " " > > > > If you could have a look for me, no rush, they are not going anywhere. > > > > Many Thanks > > Kind Regards > > Jeanette ( from Pitlochry) > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > >

Hi Jeanette There's a couple of others as well! At Neilston District 453 Book 11 Page 60 Angus aged 36 on line 7 Margaret aged 32 on line 8 Charles aged 10 on line 9 John aged 8 on line 10 Agnes aged 3 on line 11 Elizabeth aged 1 on line 12 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <Janoch2000@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > > Hi Julie, > > how wonderful of you to do this. > > I am looking for; > > ANGUS CHISHOLM married to > > MARGARET " (nee Campbell) brn Lochaber, Inverness 1821/23 > > JOHN " " Nitshill, Renfrewshire > abt. 1846 > > Charles " " " " > " " > > If you could have a look for me, no rush, they are not going anywhere. > > Many Thanks > Kind Regards > Jeanette ( from Pitlochry) > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Juanita, The Renfrewshire 1851 Census Index is an every person index, children aged 1 or less will be listed as 1 year old. Some women continued to use their maiden surnames, even in the census, her choice or depended on who gave the information. As to the death certificate, she will be listed with her current married name or name she was using at them time. In the index, she should be under the name given in the death entry and by her maiden surname, case of cross-indexing. If the informant knew, then all husband's names will be listed. They may not be correct, but his name and occupation should be listed. In the case of my ggg-grandfather, all three of his wives were given, with their forename and maiden surname. The 2nd and 3rd wives had been previously married, their 1st husband's were recorded as well. In one case, the first name of the 1st husband was given incorrectly, took me a few years of searching, but finally found out he was a George, not a William. Hope that made sense, as it is late and I am on the tired side. Julie Dufault Juanita asked- > Julie, how is the 1851 census indexed - by name of entire family or just head > of family?Also do you ( or anyone) know how the name of a woman who had been > married twice woould be listed? For example would she be mrs Elizabeth > Young(1sthusband)Campbell(2nd husband). or just Elizabeth Campbell? Also > would the death certificate of this person use both names or perhaps even > include her maiden name? Would appreciate ANY help from anyone. Many thanks! >

Hi Julie ~ I am interested in Daniel McGowan or Jane McLachlan. Many thanks, Jean Brocklebank

Hi grace No one old enough on the 1851 Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <GHicks3973@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Re: SCT-RENFREW-D Digest V03 #123 > Hi, Julie...I would really appreciate a look up in census information (1841) > and 1851 on: > > James STIRRAT b. June 6, 1779 in Abbey, Renfrew > m. Catherine McDOUGAL (Dugal) b. May 12, 1779 in Paisley > Renfrew > m. December 17 1819 in Abbey Paisley Church, Paisley, Renfrew > > I haven't been able to pin down parents of James, but think it may have been > ROBERT STIRRAT (STIRRET) with wife JEAN SMITH (?) > > Thanks in advance for your help! > > Grace (Stirrat) Hicks > Roswell, GA > > ghicks3973@aol.com > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >

Hi In case Julie is busy (I know what happened when I indicated on the list that I had the index!) the following are in the listing George McAusland aged 32 in Paisley district 468N Book 4 Page 15 line 4 Jean McAusland aged 21 is on line 5 Margaret McAusland aged 1 is on line 6 William of course hasn't been born yet Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Jones" <brianjones@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > Hi Julie, > > Could I please impose on you in respect of a lookup on the 1851 census index > for Renfrew. > > I am looking for the family of WILLIAM MCAUSLAND/MACAUSLAND born circa 1856 > at Paisley his father was GEORGE LEMON MCAUSLAND date of birth unknown but I > would estimate it to be circa 1820's + or -. > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > Best Wishes, > Brian in Bedminster, > Bristol, England > Family History Webpage: > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/n/Brian-Jones/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken & Julie Dufault" <kjathome@aspi.net> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 11 May 2003 19:11 > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841 and 1851 Census > > > > Chris, > > > > The 1841 and 1851 census is not on CD. They can get them in to look at on > > microfilm thru the LDS FHC's. No index for the 1841, but the 1851 has > been > > indexed by the Glasgow and West of Scotland Society. I have the > microfiche, > > which will give you name, age, parish, district, book/ed, page and line > > numbers, save time not having to read the census line by line looking for > > your family. I can check the index for you. Let me know the names and > > approximate ages and I'll see what comes up. > > > > Julie Dufault > > Merrimack, New Hampshire, USA > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >