Hi Tom This looks like them All at Paisley District 468N Book 1 Page 6 James aged 50 Line 5 Isabella aged 49 line 6 Jessie aged 18 line 7 James aged 16 line 8 Mirran aged 14 line 9 Sarah aged 9 line 10 Hope this helps Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <TTCarverFL@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: [Renfrew] 1851 Census / Paisley / Renfrew / KEITH > Greetings all: > > James Keith married Isabella MacArthur on 15 August 1823 High Church, Paisley > Renfrew, Scotland. > I only know of one child my Great-grandmother Sarah Keith born Renfrew about > 1830-1845? > This information taken from the IGI. Also confirmed from the marriage record > of Sarah Keith and John Sinclair 02 Jan. 1865, Middle Church, Paisley, > Renfrew, Scotland. > Thanks for any and all information in advance. > Tom Thompson in Florida. > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >

Hi Mavis I transcribed the baptisms from the Church Register, and they are over 100 years old, so we won't breach copyright by publishing it, so I can not see why not :o) I am trying to get some time to transcribe the rest of them. I am studying for a diploma in Interior Design at the moment, but when I graduate at the end of the year I will have more time. Which part of Aus are you from? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mavis" <maviscd@optusnet.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 26, 2003 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Renfrew baptisms Auckland NZ > Hi Donna > May I publish your list of St Paul's Baptisms in our Scottish Group > newsletter. Would be interested in any other transcriptions as well. > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > >

Hi Georgena I think I have drawn a blank on this There is a Mary Docherty in Paisley aged 10 but her possible mother is Susan aged 47 (I can't find the father) and she has siblings Susan aged 12 and David aged 9 District 461 Book 4 Page 10 Line 11 Also Mary aged 11 Meilston District 452 Book 8 Page 35 Line 9 Parents Ann and Frank siblings Margaret and Sarah No other likely candidates, I'm afraid The only possibility is that on the former of these two Susan is not the mother but an aunt or other relative and Frank and Ann are not the parents either but other rellies, but I cannot tell that from the index Mike > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > >

Hi I can't find a Nora or Honora Smith on either the East or West Renfrew Census's Sorry. Mike

Greetings all: James Keith married Isabella MacArthur on 15 August 1823 High Church, Paisley Renfrew, Scotland. I only know of one child my Great-grandmother Sarah Keith born Renfrew about 1830-1845? This information taken from the IGI. Also confirmed from the marriage record of Sarah Keith and John Sinclair 02 Jan. 1865, Middle Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland. Thanks for any and all information in advance. Tom Thompson in Florida.

Thank you very much for your effort. Kindest regards Georgena Turner

Hello Mike: I'm wondering if you could ask you to do a lookup on your census index please for any RICHMOND or FERGUSON who was a butcher or flesher, either 1851 or 1841. If you have an 1841 census index could you please see if there is a family of John Richmond and his wife Ann, plus several children, including a Charles, Agnes, Ann, Mary, Montgomery and perhaps others. The parents would be about 50 yrs. old. Thanks very much for any help you can offer. Cheers, Phyllis, in Canada

Hi Donna May I publish your list of St Paul's Baptisms in our Scottish Group newsletter. Would be interested in any other transcriptions as well.

Greetings everyone! After a very long absence, I have returned to the list--it's summer which gives me a little more time to work on family tree interests--very few major feast days and not as many deaths at the long term care facility where I work as chaplain. My great-grandmother, Elizabeth GILLESPIE, has been the major stumbling block. Her birth does not seem to be registered anywhere nor does the marriage of her parents seem to be registered anywhere either, at least not in the public records. Elizabeth GILLESPIE was 18 years of age when she married William BROWN in 1876 at St. John's, Greenock. William was 28 years of age. Elizabeth lists her parents as Joseph GILLESPIE (deceased) and Jane (Jean) GILLESPIE (ms McDOUGALL). William lists his parents as Robert BROWN and Catherine BROWN (ms MCLACHLAN). A Poor Relief Application made in 1886 by Elizabeth in Partick states that William was born in Falmouth, Jamaica (but I can't find his birth). I can't seem to find a death certificate for Joseph Gillespie (the one I obtained thinking it was the right one isn't). In both the 1881 census and the 1886 Poor Relief application Elizabeth is shown as being born in Greenock. Elizabeth and William had three children that I know of: Robert, Jane, and George. Jane died between 1881 and 1886 (still need to narrow that one down to get a death certificate). A couple of years after William's death in 1886 at sea (specifically Philadelphia), Elizabeth put Robert and George in the care of Quarrier's. Elizabeth remarried in 1891 to Daniel McFadyen (I have the marriage certificate--age still puts her as being born around 1858), had five or six daughters (I can't name all the girls off the top of my head), and eventually emigrated to Ontario where she died in Toronto (I have her death certificate). Anyone got any other ideas as to where I can look next? I've tried all the Elizabeth Gillespie's in the IGI and Scotland's People using a 20 year search, checked under Elizabeth McDougall in case she was born before Joseph and Jean were married, and looked for the marriage certificate of Joseph and Jean to no avail using all kinds of different spellings and throughout Scotland. Jean and McDougall are very common names so it is difficult to even come up with a death certificate as I have no idea as to exactly when Jean died. I'm not even sure where Jean and Joseph might have been buried except that it would have probably been in Greenock but I don't know how many cemetaries there are in Greenock and where to start looking. I would appreciate any light people might be able to shed on this, especially as I will be going to Scotland in September and will be able to spend a couple of hours in Greenock (actually attending church at St. John's where William and Elizabeth were married). Allison Cline (Brown) Sudbury, Ontario, Canada -- Check out Algoma's Web page! http://www.dioceseofalgoma.com

I might be pushing it on this one - if it's not too much trouble to lookup Honora (possibly Nora) SMITH? She would be about 5 years old in 1841. Parents were James SMITH and Elizabeth JAAP. The only sibling I've found so far is a brother Robert SMITH born about 1838. They were in Bridgeton Glasgow by 1856, so I don't know if they would still be in Paisley for the 1851 census. If it is too much trouble to find a Smith please ignore this request ! Thank you, Win MacKenzie P. S. Has anyone taken on co-ordinating the Freecen project for Renfrew yet?

Sounds like the "Bluebells of Scotland" Maisie. Words at --http://members.tripod.com/~CyberBart/bells.htm. If that doesn't work,just put the words of the first line into "GOOGLE" "Oh, Where tell me where, has your Highland laddie gone? Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "maryegger" <campsie@tcsn.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 8:07 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Off topic - Request words of song > This is off topic, but the lady who requests the words is almost 90 > years old, so it's part of her heritage, obviously. > > She has had her chiming clock retuned, and one of the songs is "Oh, > where, Oh, Where has my bonnie lad gone? ... He's gone to Bonnie > Scotland...." > > I don't recall such words or song while growing up in Scotland, but > then, I'm not nearly 90! > > Would it be "Oh, Where tell me where, has your Highland laddie gone? > He's gone to ...." I don't remember the rest of the words, > unfortunately...and I'm still not 90! > > Can any lister help, please. > > > Maisie > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

This is off topic, but the lady who requests the words is almost 90 years old, so it's part of her heritage, obviously. She has had her chiming clock retuned, and one of the songs is "Oh, where, Oh, Where has my bonnie lad gone? ... He's gone to Bonnie Scotland...." I don't recall such words or song while growing up in Scotland, but then, I'm not nearly 90! Would it be "Oh, Where tell me where, has your Highland laddie gone? He's gone to ...." I don't remember the rest of the words, unfortunately...and I'm still not 90! Can any lister help, please. Maisie

Hi Moira: I've only now found time to actually go into this site and check it out. Its a fascinating site - thanks so much for pointing me in that direction. Regards, Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- > > Phyllis, There is a ''Poorhouse'' website as follows..: > http:users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/index.html >

Hello Mary Campbell That was my gr.gr.grandmothers name,she was born on Lismore Island Argyll in 1806. Anyway,I thought I'd check the Indexed 1881 British Census for your family. Below is what I found,although Christina is not there,maybe John remarried ?? Have a look and tell me what you think. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. Dwelling: 4 Moncrieff St Census Place: Paisley Middle Church, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203583 GRO Ref Volume 573 EnumDist 56 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CAMPBELL M 39 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Brassfounder Dina STERN OR CAMPBELL M 41 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife John CAMPBELL U 21 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Labr (General) William CAMPBELL U 19 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Barber James CAMPBELL U 18 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Dyer (General) Elizabeth CAMPBELL U 16 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daughter Occ: Mill Worker Dina CAMPBELL 11 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daughter Occ: Scholar Robert CAMPBELL 9 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas CAMPBELL 4 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Archibald CAMPBELL 2 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Campbell" <mary53@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: [Renfrew] 1861 census - Paisley > Hello List > I am trying to trace John Campbell born 17 Dec 1860, Paisley High Church > according to the IGI. If anyone has access to 1861 census index could they > look him up for me please. His parents were John Campbell and Christina, > maiden name McDonald. I am trying to find out where his parents came from. I > thought as he would only be 3/4 months old he might be quite easy to find. > If this is not possible, thankyou anyway. I don't even know if Scottish > census are indexed!! > Mary Campbell > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003 > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm >

Hello List I am trying to trace John Campbell born 17 Dec 1860, Paisley High Church according to the IGI. If anyone has access to 1861 census index could they look him up for me please. His parents were John Campbell and Christina, maiden name McDonald. I am trying to find out where his parents came from. I thought as he would only be 3/4 months old he might be quite easy to find. If this is not possible, thankyou anyway. I don't even know if Scottish census are indexed!! Mary Campbell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003

Hi The only possibility that I cna find on the index is as follows At Paisley, District 464, Book 6 Page 20 John aged 36 on line 13 Helen aged 39 on line 14 Marion aged 16 on line 15 John aged 10 on line 16 Andrew aged 9 on line 17 Mary aged 7 on line 18 Is there any possibility that the name was spelt in a variation e.g. Docherty or Dogherty? Do you have ages for John and his wife? Mike

--=======180B3ECC======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-446F14BD; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, Just recieved the marriage cert for the above couple. It states they were married on 14 July 1917 at St Ch.... Church Paisley,this was the R.C. church. Henry was in the 3rd Batt Royal Scots Fusiliers, aged 26, his parents were Matthew STEVENSON & Margaret (nee Martin), Lily was a factory worker aged 20, living at 23 Calside,Paisley,her parents were William ETHELL & Julia (nee DUFF). I know that the above couple are buried at Hawkhead Cemetery,Paisley. Henry died 15 April 1958 aged 69 years, Lily died 28 June 1954, aged 54. Seeking any descendants of the above couple. Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks. Web Page http://www.Dortmund.co.uk Researching: LILL.....Sheffield & Doncaster.Yks & Boston,Lincs. ROBERTS....Sheffield Yks & Llanrwst,Denbigshire. KERSLEY...Sheffield 1898+ & Winchester,Hampshire. GAMBLE...Helmsley & York ETHELL...Huttons Ambo & York REVIS... Westow & Malton. WAKE... Brandsby, Crayke & Stillington. --=======180B3ECC======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-446F14BD Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003 --=======180B3ECC=======--

I obtained a copy of the 1861 marriage record for my gr grandparents through the LDS Church because they had filmed the parish records. The cost was relatively low, $2.00 U.S., I believe. It is a photocopy of the entry from the parish, more complete than the copies I receive from the GRO in England (possibly more information was listed in Scotland at the time) except it is on plain paper and not on a certificate copy. Details are as follows: Bride and groom's names, ages, addresses, both parents' names, as well as the maiden names of their mothers (this was information I did not have previously, so most helpful),father's occupations and witness' names. It also listed both sets of parents as deceased. They were married in the West Parish of Greenock, County of Renfrew April 1861. Hope this information is helpful. Regards, Nina Hart, Langley, B.C. WORSLEY,CHADWELL,MEIER-Middlesex/London LEVER,CURTIS-Wales & UK HART,CLARKE-Hertford/Northampton HENDRY-Ireland/Scotland/Nfld Canada; SMITH-Nfld Canada I transcribe for FreeBMD-http://freebmd.rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Gordevadiva@aol.com [mailto:Gordevadiva@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:26 PM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] OPR MARRIAGE RECORD >Could SKS please tell me what information will be on an OPR marriage >record? >I thought that if I ordered John's marriage, perhaps his parents >names would be on the certificate. >Any leads would be appreciated, >Eva ______________________________

Thanks for looking up the information I have is very little. Mary on her marriage certificate spelt her name as Dougherty, with her parents both deceased, and her age at time of her marriage was 20 when she wed in 1860. It could be spelt Docherty, Daugherty etc. I know her husband James Turner my great grandfather knock about 8 years of his age when he got married. Again thanks Georgena Turner

Hi Eva, The early marriage entries vary. It isn't a certificate but a few lines in the Parish Register. Usually this is the proclamation of banns, sometimes followed by an indication that the marriage took place. The least you get are the names of the couple and the date. At best you also get the groom's occupation; his father with occupation; the bride's father's name and his occupation; an address and names (and sometimes relationships and addresses) of the witnesses. I haven't seen ages recorded or mothers' names but you may be lucky. If either party are widowed it may say so too. The address is important as you may find the family on the, as yet unindexed, 1841 census which will have rough ages, and from there you can often find the baptism record. You'll be pleased to know that his mother's name will be on his baptism record. Hope this helps, Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gordevadiva@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: [Renfrew] OPR MARRIAGE RECORD > Could SKS please tell me what information will be on an OPR marriage record? > John McKellar married Elizabeth Gibb on Oct. 4, 1829 in High Church Paisley. > I found John's death record July 26, 1873 which told me that his father was > James McKellar and his mother was (no first name) Robertson. I have been > unable to find this recorded at all and I'm wondering if the name Robertson is > completely wrong or perhaps James married twice. I thought that if I ordered > John's marriage, perhaps his parents names would be on the certificate. > Any leads would be appreciated, > Eva >