Hello List This is just an off the cuff enquiry that came into my head as I was typing up something. My father-in-law left school in 1931and went as an apprentice in Horsons? Box Factory, Paisley. I was just wondering if anyone had ever heard of it and could tell me where it used to be. I would like to know where it was in relation to Wallace Street, Paisley which is where he came from. Thankyou Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.484 / Virus Database: 282 - Release Date: 27/05/2003

Thanks To Ken and Julie for the map sites, Will try them all Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken & Julie Dufault" <kjathome@aspi.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] GREENOCK MAPS > Rose, > > Depends on the time period you want and if you want it printed on paper or > online. > > Current maps > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ > > http://www.multimap.com/ > > Old maps > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ you can order from this site > > http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/index.html > use drop down menu in #1 Geographic Area - Town Plans and Views, this > will automatically take you to the next page. Scroll down to Greenock and > there are two maps, 1825 and 1842. It can take some time to get around in > the maps, but they are worth is. My gggg-granduncle, Daniel Ross Hunter > worked for Mr. Marshall at Ladyburn, which was a tannery. I was able to > find the Mr. Marshall' property on the maps, in Greenock East, almost into > Port Glasgow. > > Those are some of the maps I use online. I am sure others on the list will > have other suggestions. > > Julie Dufault > Merrimack, New Hampshire, USA > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew >

Hi! someone had told me to look at this site to look-up the surname McCorkell. However, I found no search engine to do so, just advertisements for free stuff. Has the site perchance have moved. Also, can anyone tell me what the cost is in US dollars to use the site and if anyone has had luck using it. I am searching for the McCorkells from High Church, Paisley. Thanks, Paula

Thanks Julie, Maybe I will order both of them. On 3 Jun 2003 at 22:07, Ken & Julie Dufault wrote: > Dawn, > > Yes, I have been thru all 3 microfilms for the 1841 Census for > Greenock, looking for family and anyone with the surnames I am > researching. I checked and happened to have transcribed an entry that > was at Nicholson St, no house number was given, which I found common > with the 1841 census. The ED was #15, and was described as North > (part of). I just found another Nicholson St entry, ED 41 St. > Andrew's (part of), again no house/building number. Looking for any > other Nicholson St entries, ED 42 St. Andrew's (part of), again no > house/building number. All the Nicholson St do seem to be in the > Middle or New Parish of Greenock. In checking the entries I > transcribed from the 1851 census, Nicholson St is definitely in the > West Parish. Perhaps the Parish lines were changed as the city > changed. All I can go by is what I found working with the microfilms. > > Julie > > > Have you been through this film? I want West or Old Parish & this > > mfm > > # seems to be Middle Parish. Is there a mistake in the film notes? > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > -- Dawn Ellis dawnsellis@earthlink.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dawnellis All emails scanned for viruses before leaving my machine! I'm a TMG user!

Could SKS tell me where to find detail streetmaps of WEST GREENOCK Rose

Rose, Depends on the time period you want and if you want it printed on paper or online. Current maps http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ http://www.multimap.com/ Old maps http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ you can order from this site http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/index.html use drop down menu in #1 Geographic Area - Town Plans and Views, this will automatically take you to the next page. Scroll down to Greenock and there are two maps, 1825 and 1842. It can take some time to get around in the maps, but they are worth is. My gggg-granduncle, Daniel Ross Hunter worked for Mr. Marshall at Ladyburn, which was a tannery. I was able to find the Mr. Marshall' property on the maps, in Greenock East, almost into Port Glasgow. Those are some of the maps I use online. I am sure others on the list will have other suggestions. Julie Dufault Merrimack, New Hampshire, USA

Dawn, Yes, I have been thru all 3 microfilms for the 1841 Census for Greenock, looking for family and anyone with the surnames I am researching. I checked and happened to have transcribed an entry that was at Nicholson St, no house number was given, which I found common with the 1841 census. The ED was #15, and was described as North (part of). I just found another Nicholson St entry, ED 41 St. Andrew's (part of), again no house/building number. Looking for any other Nicholson St entries, ED 42 St. Andrew's (part of), again no house/building number. All the Nicholson St do seem to be in the Middle or New Parish of Greenock. In checking the entries I transcribed from the 1851 census, Nicholson St is definitely in the West Parish. Perhaps the Parish lines were changed as the city changed. All I can go by is what I found working with the microfilms. Julie > Have you been through this film? I want West or Old Parish & this mfm > # seems to be Middle Parish. Is there a mistake in the film notes? >

> Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Gillespie/McDougall/McKellar > Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 08:15:08 -0600 > From: Ruth > To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com > > Allison, > Did you happen to run across any Millar/er's in the McKellar line or > Roberts? > Ruth: I only received that snippet of information from someone else who happens to be searching for some of the same names. I haven't seen the 1861 census so I can't answer your question. Sorry. Allison Cline Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

Thanks for an interesting article. My family is believed to be from the Renfrew area. I'm glad they are saving the old building. So many are lost to "new and better" things. Ylana Stoneyfields Ranch, Afton, Oklahoma, USA Remember what your elders used to say, "Birds of a feather flock together." If you're an eagle, don't hang around chickens: Chickens Can't Fly! You can't soar with the Eagles if you hoot with the hoot owls. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bulloch" <jbulloch@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:37 AM Subject: [Renfrew] ANCHOR & J & P. COATS MILL

Many of you would have family who worked at the old Mill and I thought that this article from the latest edition of Scottish Snippets would be of interest. Cheers, Jim. Thread Mill Sold for £1 The Anchor Mill in the centre of Paisley has been crumbling away for many years. The huge building was once the centre of the J&P Coats thread-making empire which was the largest in the world in the 19th century. Anchor Mill came into use in 1886. The five-acre site is owned a supermarket chain but it has been sold to the Phoenix Trust for £1 so that a £12 million redevelopment plan can go ahead. The three top floors will be converted into 60 up-market flats, the first floor will become offices and the ground floor will be a car park. The supermarket is also building a £25 million superstore next to the mill. Rampant Scotland Newsletter - Issue Number 320, dated 31 May 2003. Your weekly insight into what has been happening in Scotland, snipped from the Scottish media - plus some elements of Scottish culture. A Web version of this Newsletter, with some graphics and newspaper-style layout is available at http://www.RampantScotland.com/letter.htm If you have been passed a copy of this Newsletter by someone else, but would like to receive your own free copy direct from Scotland, just send an email to Scottie@RampantScotland.com with "Subscribe" in the subject line.

The age variations apply only to the 1841 census. Below is a copy of an posting I sent some time ago. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi I posted this a few years ago, I'll repeat it again for the new listers. Directions to Enumerators For infants under one year of age,state the number of months. >From one year to 15 state the age on the last birthday. For persons 15 years and upwards,write as follows,instead of the exact age. For persons between the ages of ---> 15 and 20 write 15 20 " 25 " 20 25 " 30 " 25 30 " 35 " 30 35 " 40 " 35 40 " 45 " 40 45 " 50 " 45 50 " 55 " 50 55 " 60 " 55 60 " 65 " 60 65 " 70 " 65 70 " 75 " 70 No instructions for those over 75 but I imagine it follows the same procedure. Frank McGonigal Ont Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching McGONIGAL-Glasgow NIVEN,OWENS-Glasgow & Derry McCOLL -DEWAR,LAWSON,BAIRD East Kilbride DEWAR,CHALMERS,COUPER,Carnwath KERR,BROWN,-Dumfries HUNTER,BAXTER,-Kirknewton/East Calder CAMPBELL-Lismore Argyll McCOLL,McKAY Isle of Mull GORRY,KEENAGHAN Co,Westmeath Ire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nina hart" <nina_hart@telus.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Age Variations > I know we all find differences in the ages on various documents, but I > saw the posting by Julie where she states that the 1841 census was > rounded down to the nearest 5. Were the ages perhaps round up on the > 1871? > > > > I had been searching for my great grandfather Richard HENDRY's (Henry) > birth about 1838 and discovered from the 1871 census that he was born in > Armagh, > > Ireland, not in Scotland as I had believed. However his age on census > is shown as 38 years and his wife, Isabella as 28 years. I have a copy > of marriage cert. > > They were married in 1861 in West Parish, Greenock after banns were > read. His age is stated as 22 years and Isabella as 19. This makes him > 6 years younger than the census. Would there have been a reason to > lower his age for his marriage as she was only 19 years old? > > > > I have a copy of his death certificate (1901) from Newfoundland which > lists his age as 70, while his headstone lists him as 64 years old. > Talk about confusing. > > > > I am now looking for a birth date of 1833-1838. Would I be more likely > to believe there was an error in the census age, and can I be pretty > sure the age on > > marriage certificate is correct. Would there have been a reason for him > to lower his age as she was only 19 years old, would a 10 year age > difference be a > > factor? > > > > Any suggestions or ideas most welcome. > > > > Regards > > Nina Hart, Langley, B.C. Canada > > > > WORSLEY,CHADWELL,MEIER-Middlesex/London > LEVER,CURTIS-Wales & UK > > HART,CLARKE-Hertford/Northampton > HENDRY-Ireland/Scotland/Nfld Canada; SMITH-Nfld Canada > > > > I transcribe for FreeBMD- <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com> > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >

I know we all find differences in the ages on various documents, but I saw the posting by Julie where she states that the 1841 census was rounded down to the nearest 5. Were the ages perhaps round up on the 1871? I had been searching for my great grandfather Richard HENDRY's (Henry) birth about 1838 and discovered from the 1871 census that he was born in Armagh, Ireland, not in Scotland as I had believed. However his age on census is shown as 38 years and his wife, Isabella as 28 years. I have a copy of marriage cert. They were married in 1861 in West Parish, Greenock after banns were read. His age is stated as 22 years and Isabella as 19. This makes him 6 years younger than the census. Would there have been a reason to lower his age for his marriage as she was only 19 years old? I have a copy of his death certificate (1901) from Newfoundland which lists his age as 70, while his headstone lists him as 64 years old. Talk about confusing. I am now looking for a birth date of 1833-1838. Would I be more likely to believe there was an error in the census age, and can I be pretty sure the age on marriage certificate is correct. Would there have been a reason for him to lower his age as she was only 19 years old, would a 10 year age difference be a factor? Any suggestions or ideas most welcome. Regards Nina Hart, Langley, B.C. Canada WORSLEY,CHADWELL,MEIER-Middlesex/London LEVER,CURTIS-Wales & UK HART,CLARKE-Hertford/Northampton HENDRY-Ireland/Scotland/Nfld Canada; SMITH-Nfld Canada I transcribe for FreeBMD- <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com> http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Allison, Did you happen to run across any Millar/er's in the McKellar line or Roberts? -------Original Message------- From: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 02, 2003 18:11:51 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] Gillespie/McDougall/McKellar Greetings! Someone else is searching out the Gillespie/Brown line and this week-end provided the following information provided to her from someone who had the 1861 census for Greenock. So now instead of just two families, I now have three to check out. It would appear that Jean Gillespie was previously married to a Mr. McKellar with whom she had at least two sons, Daniel (20) and Alexander (18). Somewhere along the line Mr. McKellar died and Jean married Joseph Gillespie who is listed as having been born in Ireland (my initial hunch from 20 years ago was right but the 1851 census put him as born in Greenock). They had two daughters: Mary, aged 7 years, and Elizabeth (my great-grandmother). Elizabeth is listed as being a year old in 1861 (which means she aged herself two years (made her self 18 but in reality only 16) when she married William Brown. So my question for the list: Is anyone researching or come across Jean McDougall marrying a Mr. McKellar and having two sons? I found an entry for Jean McDougall marrying Alexander McKellar in 1838 in Greenock but I will need to do a little more research in order to confirm that before ordering a certificate. Can anyone tell me if the 1871 Census for Greenock is indexed? It would seem that the Gillespie/Brown family stayed in the same area: Nicholson, Kilbain, Holmscroft, West Blackhall, so maybe that will help me out if I can get hold of the 1871 census? Allison Cline Sudbury, Ontario, Canada -- Check out Algoma's Web page! http://www.dioceseofalgoma.com ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm .

Hi Julie, On 2 Jun 2003 at 21:29, Ken & Julie Dufault wrote: > Family History Center, microfilm number is 1042723. The 1841 will Have you been through this film? I want West or Old Parish & this mfm # seems to be Middle Parish. Is there a mistake in the film notes? Thanks, -- Dawn Ellis dawnsellis@earthlink.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dawnellis All emails scanned for viruses before leaving my machine! I'm a TMG user!

Hi! I am looking for any information on the families of these two individuals: David McCorkell (born about 1770) and Janet Rogers, may also be spelled Rodgers, born about 1770. They were married in Paisley, High Church, in 1790. I would love to get a copy of their marriage information. I would also love to know who their parents were and siblings, children, and the like. I do not anything on the Janet Rodgers family at all. I do know the McCorkell family were sheep hearders for hundreds of years in Scotland. I am not sure if the remained in the Renfrewsire area or not. The McCorkell family was also part of the Gunn Clan and McLeod Clan. Any information would be wonderful. Paula

Hello Am trying to make contact with anyone searching the above names Rose

Dawn, If you want to get the 1841 Greenock census in at your local LDS Family History Center, microfilm number is 1042723. The 1841 will give you address, name, age, occupation, whether born in county=yes, born in another part of Scotland=no, or Ireland, England or whatever other country. Beware, the ages in this census were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5. I have the MI's for Renfrewshire, can do lookups for you. Only included "if" a pre-1855 date on the headstone and more importantly, if they had a headstone. There are burial records available thru the FHC for Greenock. I have been thru one film, which seems to have covered the (New) Greenock Cemetery, which opened about 1846. Julie Dufault Merrimack, New Hampshire, USA

Greetings! Someone else is searching out the Gillespie/Brown line and this week-end provided the following information provided to her from someone who had the 1861 census for Greenock. So now instead of just two families, I now have three to check out. It would appear that Jean Gillespie was previously married to a Mr. McKellar with whom she had at least two sons, Daniel (20) and Alexander (18). Somewhere along the line Mr. McKellar died and Jean married Joseph Gillespie who is listed as having been born in Ireland (my initial hunch from 20 years ago was right but the 1851 census put him as born in Greenock). They had two daughters: Mary, aged 7 years, and Elizabeth (my great-grandmother). Elizabeth is listed as being a year old in 1861 (which means she aged herself two years (made her self 18 but in reality only 16) when she married William Brown. So my question for the list: Is anyone researching or come across Jean McDougall marrying a Mr. McKellar and having two sons? I found an entry for Jean McDougall marrying Alexander McKellar in 1838 in Greenock but I will need to do a little more research in order to confirm that before ordering a certificate. Can anyone tell me if the 1871 Census for Greenock is indexed? It would seem that the Gillespie/Brown family stayed in the same area: Nicholson, Kilbain, Holmscroft, West Blackhall, so maybe that will help me out if I can get hold of the 1871 census? Allison Cline Sudbury, Ontario, Canada -- Check out Algoma's Web page! http://www.dioceseofalgoma.com

Dear listers, i was hoping some good person out there could help me, iam looking for info on Marie Anckieson,she was 1 month old when the 1881 census was done and she was at her grandfathers house Humphry Fleming, the address was 19 Ingleston street Greenock, on the census that is how her name was spelt but it didnt say who her parents were, i havent had any luck on trying to find any info on her, so if some one could help i would be very happy. Yours Roberta Fleming Aust robbiefleming63@hotmail.com Image by FlamingText.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp

I was wondering if some kind soul had access to the 1841 census for Paisley(Abbey), I am trying to verify my ggg grandfather and his parents. Thomas Lyall was born in 1838 in Abbey, Paisley and has his father's name as William Lyall and mother was Elizabeth Rodger or Rodgers on birth extract. His death extract list his father's name as Thomas, so you see my dilemma. It is possible that William was his uncle . Thank You! Sincerely, Amy Gilroy