Mary, AS far as I know the census dates were the same on both sides of Hadrian's Wall because the instruction came from a UK piece of legislation even though the actual birth, death and marriage records in Scotland and England & Wales vary both when they started 1855 for Scotland 1837 for England & Wales and in their contents. I am sure if someone else knows to the contrary I will quite properly be corrected. Cheers Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Fellow of the Institute for Independent Business Director: Cadboll Business Consultancy Ltd* (Legal, Corporate, Employment and H.R. Consultancy Practice) Director: Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd* (Bespoke Guided Tours, Genealogy, Family History and Holiday Experiences) Past President and Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie web-site: www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk Company Secretary: EMarketing-Associates Ltd; Winning Edge Business Consultancy Ltd*; Kacey Ltd*; NetMedia Business Solutions Ltd*; Pure Tanning Ltd*; Eligo Recruitment Ltd; Newmore Investments Ltd*; In-Haus Eyemagination Ltd*; Mortgage Workshop Ltd*; Zest For Life (Scotland) Ltd*; Black Isle Recycling and Distribution Services Ltd*; Allstrat Ltd*; Excedo Software Ltd* Registered Office of Companies with a *: North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire. IV20 1TN e-mail: mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk telephone and fax: 01862 871877 mobile: -----Original Message----- From: Mary Campbell [mailto:mary53@ntlworld.com] Sent: 19 June 2003 20:06 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] Dates census taken Hello List Were all the Scottish census taken on the same days as the English census? If not could some kind person tell me the dates they were taken? Thankyou very much Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/2003 ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm

WILSON & BULLOCH. Paisley. Hi Team, Looking for connections of Catherine Wilson who married John Bulloch (Barber “ Hairdresser”) She was born Abt’ 1812-15, Low Renfrew (Info’ from Census 1881) Died Paisley, 18th September 1886. (Info’ death Cert’) Father- William Wilson & Mother - Jean M/S Taylor. The family lived at 7 Orchard St, Low Parish, Paisley. Any help on either names, would be much appreciated. Regards to all, Jim

Hello List I have some Scottish marriage cert's where the 'usual address' is the same as in the column for 'When,Where and How married'. It also says in this column 'after banns according to the forms of the Church of Scotland'. Could people get married at home? I believe if you were housebound this was allowed but these were not old or infirm but young people who went on to have children. One address is 3 Silk Street, Paisley another one is 10 Old Sneddon. I know these are not religious buildings so does anyone know if this was legal? Thankyou Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/2003

Er, Jim? (yet another one) In case you missed it, Moira DID say Australia, so she must have meant me! <grin> Thanks, Moira. <blush> Unless, of course, the Land of the Long White Cloud has finally become the seventh state of the Land of the Low Brown Cloud? All the best Jim (the good looking one) in chilly Western Australia (new record last night for the lowest June minimum - 1.2 degrees C. Brrr!) >From: "Jim Bulloch" <jbulloch@xtra.co.nz> >Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Apologies etcetera Moira >Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:13:53 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time) > > Re " Blood, Worth Bottling" >Yer Right There, Hen !

Hello List Were all the Scottish census taken on the same days as the English census? If not could some kind person tell me the dates they were taken? Thankyou very much Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/2003

Betty, My deepest apologies - my remarks were intended for the man who made the first crude remarks. I couldn't agree w/you more. Again, I do apologise and in the future I will be more careful how I "address" Warm regards, Juaanita

Hello Joy, welcome. Ylana Stoneyfields Ranch Remember what your elders used to say, "Birds of a feather flock together." If you're an eagle, don't hang around chickens: Chickens Can't Fly! You can't soar with the Eagles if you hoot with the hoot owls. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy" <beatsme@netins.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: [Renfrew] New to list - Hello! | Hi All ~ | I have just joined your mail list and hope that list members can point | me in the proper direction for additional information that might be net | - available. I have found the County website, and other common | information. Additionally, I often use www.google.com to search. | | Having said that, the primary family name I am hoping to locate | additional information about is McInnes with all of the normal spelling | variants. In the tree, I have several John's - from this area one b. 31 | Aug 1873 Middle-East-West Parishes, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland, his | father was Joseph McInnes, who returned to Kilbrandon & Kilchattan Parish. | | Another John b 1824 Craignish m Mary McDougall 1851 Craignish, | is on the 1881 Census @ | Dwelling: Banks Farm | Census Place: Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland | They had moved by January 1856 when their oldest daughter was born | Middle or New Parish, Greenock. | | BTW this link, unless my computer is out of sync, takes you nowhere | functional. | | The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at | http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ | | | Any direction and information would be appreciated. | | Joy USA | | | | | ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== | ********************************************************************** | To search the Rootsweb lists go to | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl |

Hello, I am trying to find out how some of my ancestors arrived in Australia. Mary Isabella TAYLOR married John RUSSELL at the Presbyterian Church in Sydney, Australia 1866. On her marriage certificate it said that Mary was born in Greenock,Scotland. I have found a christening 19/4/1846 St Michael St,United Presbyterian(east) Greenock,Renfrew. Her parents were given as John TAYLOR (occupation Engineer) and mother Mary FYFE and have found a marriage on 15/11/1835 Grenock East,Renfrew. I am hoping that someone may have some information on these families as I have no idea if Mary came by herself to Australia or with her family and if she had any siblings. Thankyou Anne Bain

Hi All ~ I have just joined your mail list and hope that list members can point me in the proper direction for additional information that might be net - available. I have found the County website, and other common information. Additionally, I often use www.google.com to search. Having said that, the primary family name I am hoping to locate additional information about is McInnes with all of the normal spelling variants. In the tree, I have several John's - from this area one b. 31 Aug 1873 Middle-East-West Parishes, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland, his father was Joseph McInnes, who returned to Kilbrandon & Kilchattan Parish. Another John b 1824 Craignish m Mary McDougall 1851 Craignish, is on the 1881 Census @ Dwelling: Banks Farm Census Place: Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland They had moved by January 1856 when their oldest daughter was born Middle or New Parish, Greenock. BTW this link, unless my computer is out of sync, takes you nowhere functional. The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ Any direction and information would be appreciated. Joy USA

Hi everyone, just like to mention on line that Mark Sutherland-Fisher has come under very unfair criticism recently. He does know what he is talking/ writing about folks ....... Kate Israel-Manwell The Netherlands researching: MANWELL in Renfrewshire/Lanarkshire/Stirlingshire CAMERON in Inverness and Lanarkshire _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Dick - Paisley William Dick n' Catherine McKaig Children Grace/Agnes/William/John/Mary Catherine died and William re-married Elizabeth McFarlane Children David/James/Jane/Hector Any connection Heather

I'm a bit surprised, Mark, that as an owner of 2 Rootsweb lists, you haven't as yet learned Netiquette. Only one third of your post is message, the other two-thirds pompous(?) Spam or self promotion - 14 in total. Perhaps you HAD better unsubscibe yourself for a bit as punishment. John Ferguson -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sutherland-Fisher [mailto:info@highland-family-heritage.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 7:57 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Renfrew] Congratulations on scoring an own goal! Jim, Thanks for coming to my rescue but I am John M Sutherland-Fisher, the "M" standing for Mark! I am a member of over 20 lists on Rootsweb and own 2 of them, Caithness and Jacobites. I contribute hundreds of messages a year to these lists and as I use my business computer and receive over 200 e-mails a day, I neither have the time nor can be bothered to delete my signature every time I happen to answer a Rootsweb list query. I have never been so ungraciously received in some 5 years of contributions to these lists but if the members of this list prefer, I will unsubscribe from it and refrain from sharing my 25 years of amateur and professional genealogy experience and knowledge with others. Cheers Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Fellow of the Institute for Independent Business Director: Cadboll Business Consultancy Ltd* (Legal, Corporate, Employment and H.R. Consultancy Practice) Director: Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd* (Bespoke Guided Tours, Genealogy, Family History and Holiday Experiences) Past President and Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie web-site: www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk Company Secretary: EMarketing-Associates Ltd; Winning Edge Business Consultancy Ltd*; Kacey Ltd*; NetMedia Business Solutions Ltd*; Pure Tanning Ltd*; Eligo Recruitment Ltd; Newmore Investments Ltd*; In-Haus Eyemagination Ltd*; Mortgage Workshop Ltd*; Zest For Life (Scotland) Ltd*; Black Isle Recycling and Distribution Services Ltd*; Allstrat Ltd*; Excedo Software Ltd* Registered Office of Companies with a *: North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire. IV20 1TN e-mail: mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk telephone and fax: 01862 871877 mobile: -----Original Message----- From: Jim Baird [mailto:jbaird@hotmail.com] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:16 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Congratulations Aw, c'mon David, pull yer head in a bit, mate! I agree with your stand on unsnipped messages, but I think your method of delivery is O.T.T. (over the top) We've all been guilty at some stage, but to attack someone for a signature line that isn't his is a bit feral, don't you think? If you read the message, it's signed Mark but the signature line belongs to John M Sutherland-Fisher. Certainly it sounds a bit pompous in the context of a Genie List, but Mark was probably using someone else's business PC. So what about a little give and take, eh? All the best Jim in sunny, but chilly, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joy Lyle" <d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Congratulations > Well Mark, > I hate myself when I resort to this but I believe congratulations are in > order for you. Your three line message in SCT-RENFREW-D Digest V03 #164 > ................................. ______________________________ ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ ______________________________

David, Good on ya! A quick apology re-admits light and sheds heat. Jim, Juanita and Betty, English is the language that both unites us, and divides us. In an international forum such as this we need to be sensitive to the fact that the same words and expressions may have different meanings in different cultures. So we need to take care what we say to avoid giving offence. Equally we shouldn't be quick to take offence at something written by someone from elsewhere. As I said, how about a little give and take? Mark, alias John M., I don't think anyone wants you to leave, but you must be aware that your reply to me does little to dispel the impression many listers may have formed. I'm not sure why you used the subject line "Congratulations on scoring an own goal!" - did I? You claim to "own" two lists on Rootsweb. Perhaps you meant you are the List Administrator for those two? In that case you should be familiar with Rootsweb's List policy on advertising. Your signature line(s) could easily be interpreted as being in breach. The suggestion by Jim (the other one) that you obtain another e-mail address for List stuff seems a sensible one. Your statement that you have neither the time, nor can you be bothered to remove the offending signature hardly shows a concern for your fellow listers. We are all busy people too, but if we can manage to snip messages and try to abide by policies that are designed for the good of us all, then I'm sure with a bit of will that you can too. If you are indeed a List Admin then I'm sure you are aware of the benefits of leading by example. The above few sentences are intended simply to make you aware that you have created an impression amongst some of us that may be quite erroneous. We look forward to receiving the benefit of your expertise and to your positive contributions to this list. Now, how about we get back to the business that we're here for, family history, and try to be considerate of each other, please? All the best Jim in mild and sunny Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joy Lyle" <d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:52 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Apologies > I must apologise for my remarks recently. I meant no offence to anybody.

Hi, Ylana, You have a great history! Yes, the sheer numbers of Scottish in the US is staggering. After joining this list, I realize that from my school days, nearly everyone has a Scottish name. Don't apologize! I know some of your family's history from looking for mine. Do you have any info about the Renfrew/Renfro family in Scotland? I am looking for them. I wonder if mine are a branch of yours.... Thank you. April ----- Original Message ----- From: Lana Renfro-Moye <ylanamoye@earthlink.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] The Scottish in America. > I am related through my Maternal Great-Great Grandfather. He was a Lewis. > > My Renfro family was also neighbors to George Washington. > > They were taught to survey by the same person. > > I was not attempting to namedrop or impress. > > I just wanted to help the person who wrote the cranky email understand that > we Scottish descendants have been very involved in the building of the > United States. > > Our ancestors didn't have it easy here either. > > > I'm related to Daniel Boone through the Van Bibber family. I know that he > was not Scottish. I risked the assumption that the writer would know who > Daniel Boone was. Wanted them to understand that our Scottish immigrants > were very involved in the building of this country. They suffered many > hardships. I lost many family members, Renfro and Van Bibber as they > traveled with Daniel Boone on his trip west. The Renfro line is Scottish. > > > Ylana > Stoneyfields Ranch > > Remember what your elders used to say, "Birds of a feather flock together." > If you're an eagle, don't hang around chickens: Chickens Can't Fly! > You can't soar with the Eagles if you hoot with the hoot owls. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maggie Peters" <mpeters@xcelco.on.ca> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:42 AM > Subject: Fw: [Renfrew] The Scottish in America. > > > | President MILLARD FILLIMORE's second wife was Caroline McIntosh, married > on > | feb. 10, 1858 and I am sorry but I cant seem to find where either George > | Washington or Thomas Jefferson are related to lana, would you please > | explain.as i am very interested and have a huge library of books. > | maggie > | mpeters@xcelco.on.ca > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Lana Renfro-Moye" <ylanamoye@earthlink.net> > | To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 3:41 AM > | Subject: [Renfrew] The Scottish in America. > | > | > | > I'm just catching up on email. > | > > | > My first thought was "did someone get up on the wrong side of the bed?" > | > > | > Or, maybe someone needed a nap. > | > > | > The Scottish people that came to the United States had it no easier than > | the > | > Scots that went to Australia. > | > > | > We came here to escape the conditions in Scotland. > | > > | > Some of our family members came here to save their lives. > | > > | > Many of us had prices on our head. > | > > | > Many were transported here by the English as troublemakers. > | > > | > I come from some of the first Scottish settlers in the United States. > My > | > Scot ancestors have been in the United States since the 1600's. > | > > | > We explored this country and spread civilization as we went. My family > | > explored along side Daniel Boone. One of his sons married into my > family. > | > I am a descendant of two American Presidents, George Washington, and > | Thomas > | > Jefferson. Our current Vice President is a cousin. > | > > | > Did you know that 75% of the signers of the American Declaration of > | > Independence, signed in 1776, were of Scottish descent. Most of our > | > American presidents are of Scottish descent. > | > > | > The Scottish blood that runs in most Americans, especially our first > | leaders > | > is part of what has made this a great people. > | > > | > We, are as proud of our Scottish blood as you are yours. We came to > this > | > country and we continued the fight with the English here. We won our > | > freedom from a tyrant that thought of us as savages. > | > > | > We celebrate our Scottish heritage with pride. > | > > | > The first Scots in the United States didn't have it any easier than did > | the > | > first to arrive in Australia. The US like your country, was large, > open, > | > but very wild. You need to read the history of the Scots that settled > in > | > the Carolinas. > | > > | > This country was no more developed than Australia was. Our Native > | Americans > | > weren't any happier to see foreigner there were yours. > | > > | > Many of our ancestors died from disease. > | > > | > Do you have any idea of how many men and women were shipped here as > | nothing > | > more than slaves by the English. > | > > | > They didn't come to our "Gold" mines. We didn't discover gold in the US > | > until well into the 1800s. The Scottish had been here for over 200 > years > | by > | > then. > | > > | > When we, Scotland, lost wars, the English would ship the prisoners of > war > | to > | > the American Colonies. The Scottish cut their way through the jungles > of > | > the south. They cleared the fields that made English Lords rich. > | > > | > The Scots as they worked off their indenture, or sentence; would move > | > further west into the United States, taking the offer of free land. > | > > | > Much as they did in Australia. > | > > | > Very few early Scots had it easy here in the US. > | > > | > Remember we, like you, started under the heel of the English. > | > > | > Many early Americans were here because they had been burned out of their > | > homes in Scotland. > | > > | > Their names had been taken away. > | > > | > Australia wasn't the only place the Scottish people went to start over. > | > > | > My Scottish ancestors fought as hard as yours did, to survive. > | > > | > Our pride in our Scottish heritage made us name many places in our > country > | > after places in Scotland. The same is true of Canada. > | > > | > Please study more about the people of Scotland and what they have done > | > around the world. > | > > | > Very proud to descend from Robert the Bruce. > | > > | > Ylana > | > Stoneyfields Ranch > | > > | > Remember what your elders used to say, "Birds of a feather flock > | together." > | > If you're an eagle, don't hang around chickens: Chickens Can't Fly! > | > You can't soar with the Eagles if you hoot with the hoot owls. > | > > | > > | > > | > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > | > ********************************************************************** > | > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > | > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > | > > | > > | > | > | > | ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > | ********************************************************************** > | The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > | http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > | > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Smillie" <dms@zetnet.co.uk> Thanks anyway Donna - Shirley

I must apologise for my remarks recently. I meant no offence to anybody. These message boards are here for others to help each other find their ancestors. I am afraid my blood boiled a little when someone, in my opinion, was advertising for business on this message board and not offering any free advise to those who may have been interested. In the past five years I have freely given of my time and effort to assist others build up some extensive family trees and I take offence when some on these boards want payment. If that is an offence then so be it. To the person concerned I also apologise but again this, and other boards, are here for others to "freely" help each other and not openly drum up business. David Lyle (no Joy involved)

Seems to be a goodly number of Fine..Big...Men in Australia presently. Consequently am proud to be a member of this List.....Well seeing they may be of good Scottish stock and/or interests?????? ........ ;-) As one of them said to me recently...." your blood should be bottled" (I repeat it to you and agree......wherever it comes from it's good stuff !!!!!).......... Blessings all round!!!!!! ........... Moira

Jim, Thanks for coming to my rescue but I am John M Sutherland-Fisher, the "M" standing for Mark! I am a member of over 20 lists on Rootsweb and own 2 of them, Caithness and Jacobites. I contribute hundreds of messages a year to these lists and as I use my business computer and receive over 200 e-mails a day, I neither have the time nor can be bothered to delete my signature every time I happen to answer a Rootsweb list query. I have never been so ungraciously received in some 5 years of contributions to these lists but if the members of this list prefer, I will unsubscribe from it and refrain from sharing my 25 years of amateur and professional genealogy experience and knowledge with others. Cheers Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Fellow of the Institute for Independent Business Director: Cadboll Business Consultancy Ltd* (Legal, Corporate, Employment and H.R. Consultancy Practice) Director: Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd* (Bespoke Guided Tours, Genealogy, Family History and Holiday Experiences) Past President and Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie web-site: www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk Company Secretary: EMarketing-Associates Ltd; Winning Edge Business Consultancy Ltd*; Kacey Ltd*; NetMedia Business Solutions Ltd*; Pure Tanning Ltd*; Eligo Recruitment Ltd; Newmore Investments Ltd*; In-Haus Eyemagination Ltd*; Mortgage Workshop Ltd*; Zest For Life (Scotland) Ltd*; Black Isle Recycling and Distribution Services Ltd*; Allstrat Ltd*; Excedo Software Ltd* Registered Office of Companies with a *: North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire. IV20 1TN e-mail: mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk telephone and fax: 01862 871877 mobile: -----Original Message----- From: Jim Baird [mailto:jbaird@hotmail.com] Sent: 18 June 2003 12:16 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Congratulations Aw, c'mon David, pull yer head in a bit, mate! I agree with your stand on unsnipped messages, but I think your method of delivery is O.T.T. (over the top) We've all been guilty at some stage, but to attack someone for a signature line that isn't his is a bit feral, don't you think? If you read the message, it's signed Mark but the signature line belongs to John M Sutherland-Fisher. Certainly it sounds a bit pompous in the context of a Genie List, but Mark was probably using someone else's business PC. So what about a little give and take, eh? All the best Jim in sunny, but chilly, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joy Lyle" <d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Congratulations > Well Mark, > I hate myself when I resort to this but I believe congratulations are in > order for you. Your three line message in SCT-RENFREW-D Digest V03 #164 > ................................. ______________________________ ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/

Hi Folks, Over the last few weeks, I like most caring researchers have been upset " to say the least" by comments on this listing. As someone who takes his genealogy seriously and spends and a heap of time researching and sharing with the many friends through the World.. So, we all realise how important time is and don't wish to listen to the ramblings. It would seem to me that, on this site we have a very big problem with people who "are not interested" in the past, but only in their own ego and " blowing their trumpet" for their self cantered gains or satisfaction. People who wish to express their thoughts on subjects miles away from genealogy or even the link they reply to. People only interested on who they think they are and what they " may have achieved", rather than " Where they came from" or "who their forefathers really were" (Something to hide perhaps ! or just looking for the attention they can't get at home ?). They will prove not to be ours ( we hope !) For those of you who truly enjoy this hobby or addiction. I truly hope that this will be the last of the Eddie Calverts, Dick James or Gabriel " blowing horns " on this listing ! A True Blue Scot, Looking For His Ain Folk ! Not.... Recognition or Titles !!!! Lang may yer Lum Reek and Happy Hunting, Jim

----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Joy Lyle" <d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Apologies > I must apologise for my remarks recently. I meant no offence to anybody. Thank you David, that was the right thing to do. I do think that it wouldn't be a bad idea for John Mark to obtain a secondary e-mail address for these lists and for you to go spend a couple of hours in a cancer ward. There are much larger problems than someone trying to drum up business. Now would someone please go find any records of my Mills clan in Scotland? So far, 2 researchers in Scotland can not find a single record John Mills Sr. born 1788 Mary Miller his wife born 1797 (Mary is sometimes known as Mary Miller Arthur so I am not sure of her real last name} Thomas born Dec 26,1819 Edinburgh Arthur born June 30, 1835 Paisley Jane born Feb 16, 1818 Mary Arthur born Jan, 1829 Paisley Catherine born 1816 Agnes born 1824 John Jr. born 1821 It would seem that there must be some record of some sort in Scotland of some of these people.They all are listed as members of the Church Of Scotland Thanks, Jim by the way, SUBJECT CLOSED