Thanks! Silly me, I missed the extremities! -----Original Message----- From: Jean Brocklebank [mailto:jeanbean@baymoon.com] Sent: 05 July 2003 18:18 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] How did she die? > From: "Christine Normington" <christine.normington@ntlworld.com> > "Shock from extensive burns to trunk and extremities in her own house, > Newton St, Paisley. 15 hours. Signed Peter Morrison, who saw her two hours > before death." > > I don't wish to appear stupid, but can anyone suggest how she may have died > please? Only I would have assumed in a house fire or if her clothes had > caught fire, the burns to her body would have been more extensive. ______________ Hello Christine ~ Peter Morrison mentions (above) your beloved gg grandmother's burns to "trunk and extremities." Those extremities would include legs and arms, so it sounds as though she was indeed extensively burned. Possibly a fire from a coal or wood stove? With kind thoughts, Jean ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/

Hi Heather I can't find any variants at all. The nearest is Gilliooly? (the ? is on the census index) Name, Age, Parish, District, Book, Page, Line Elizabeth, 33, Greenock, 436, 39, 2, 19 James, 14, Greenock, 436, 39, 2, 18 John, 16, Greenock, 436, 39, 2, 17 Peter, 45, Greenock, 436, 39, 2, 15 Thomas, 20, Greenock, 436, 39, 2, 16 Just a chance Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Fromme" <fromme@marshlake.polarcom.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: [Renfrew] 1851 lookup > I am interested in any surname GILOGLEY spellings vary to Gillogley/Gilogly etc. > > Thank you > Heather > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > >

Hi The only Peter's I can find on the index are aged 20 and 60, both are in Greenock, but would not seem to tie in with your date of birth. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy" <beatsme@netins.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: [Renfrew] 1841, 1851 census lookup request > Hi Again All, > > I'm also hoping to find in 1841 & 1851 > > Peter Johnston/Johnson b 1813 Argyll & wife Mary McPhail (no clue of > information) > children: > Christina/Christian b Greenock 1836 (may have been in Kilbrandon > parish on 1841 census) > Mary b Greenock 1841 > Elizabeth b Greenock 1843 (may have been with > grandparents on 1851 census) > > Thank you ever so much ~~ > > Joy in MO > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >

I have just received the death certificate of my 2x great-grandmother Isabella SWAN, PAUL which tells me that she died from "Shock from extensive burns to trunk and extremities in her own house, Newton St, Paisley. 15 hours. Signed Peter Morrison, who saw her two hours before death." I don't wish to appear stupid, but can anyone suggest how she may have died please? Only I would have assumed in a house fire or if her clothes had caught fire, the burns to her body would have been more extensive. Also would there have been an inquest, and if so would the records survive and where would they be kept? Would something like this have been likely to have reached the newspapers? Thank you. Every Blessing, Christine

Thankyou Mike, it seems 1st family is close as Agnes Walker married William Dick in 1813 so this Agnes's age fits well, also they had a son William born about 1826 I didn't know about a Margaret or Elizabeth and the earlier children (Sarah/David/Hector/James) would have left home by then. Thank you for looking Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dowding" <m.dowding@virgin.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Mike 1851 Census > Hi Heather > I am not sure what you are looking for here in relationships but:2 > possibilities > Name, Age, Parish, District, Book, Page Line > Agnes 55, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 1 > William, 23, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 2 > Margaret 23, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 3 > Elizabeth, 15, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 4 > The previous person would be on Page 10 but no Dick evident > Then > David, 35, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 16 > Agnes, 32, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 17 > William, 5, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 18 > Grace, 3, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 19 > John, 2, Paisley, 468M, 5, 5, 20 > > Looks like mother's and sons but if you are looking for a husband would the > first be a possibility with husband William dead? > > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! > Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter > http://mail.giantcompany.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Fromme" <fromme@marshlake.polarcom.com> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:51 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] Mike 1851 Census > > > > Hello Again > > Could you look for family > > DICK/William and Agnes > > Paisley I blv. > > > > Heather > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > > >

Thankyou again Mike very much. I will try and find the list of reg districts. Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 30/06/2003

Hi Grace I think the best I can do is give you the Catherine's and James's (there is no Robert Stirrat). There is no relationship on the index so I am going by the line numbers etc. to group the people. Name, Age, Parish, District, Book, Page, Line Catherine, 47, Abbey, 473, 18, 17, 5 Agnes, 20, Abbey, 473, 18, 17, 6 Catherine, 19, Abbey, 473, 18, 17, 7 John, 17, Abbey, 473, 18, 17, 8 Margaret, 12, Abbey, 473, 18, 17, 9 Elizabeth, 6, Abbey, 473, 18, 17, 10 William, 4, Abbey, 473, 18, 17, 11 I suspect that this may be the one you found as a widow, although on the index she is given as Stirrat not Sterrat. The nearest James in age is as follows James, 49, Paisley, 462, 13, 14, 19 Margaret, 48, Paisley. 462, 13, 14, 20 Agnes, 8, Paisley, 462, 13, 15, 2 James 6, Paisley, 462, 13, 15, 3 Just in case checked Sterrat, Sterret, Sterrart, Stirrit, Starrart, Looked also on the East Renfrewshire, the only Robert is 19 and no Catherine's James, Greenock, 51, 434, 16, 15, 5 Margaret, 48, Greenock, 16, 15, 6 etc. which I think I have already given you Sorry to be of little help Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com >

Hi Mary Some one else may be better able to advise you on this. I have not used the 1851 yet as I have bought the indices to try to prepare for a visit to Edinburgh this summer. I think that the address will be on the transcription, together with occupation, relationship to head of household, occupation and town and county of birth (if in Scotland). I feel certain that somewhere on the net is a list of the registration districts, but I have no idea where. Sorry Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Campbell" <mary53@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1851 Renfrewshire Census Index > Thankyou very much Mike > This looks a possibility, > > <There is also an Edward Sweenie, aged 23 married to Ann aged 19 with no > children at Paisley, District 461 Book 1 Page 29 Lines 1 & 2> > > I think sometimes Agnes/Ann were interchangeable. How can I find out where > this district would be? I don't know anything about 1851 census. Did they > give birth place, occupation etc? > With best wishes and thanx again > Mary > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 30/06/2003 > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ >

If your ancestor died of shock from severe burns , then that is just what killed her. Modern medicine could have helped the shock and the burns depending on the severity. Smoke inhalation could have also done her in as well as any secondary infections resulting from the wounds. When a persons body goes into shock the central nervous system is affected greatly and can even stop the heart from working. Modern day CPR is used to treat some victims of shock as well as some injectable medications to get the heart going again. As far as looking into an inquest, as you might assume either a crime was committed or not I would try local old newspapers from that paticular date and if that leads you no where I'd try the local contables or courthouse records. Sincerely, Amy Gilroy

Hello Again Could you look for family DICK/William and Agnes Paisley I blv. Heather

Hi Mary - Thanks for your response. I have limited info on Peter, children & wife #2 (Christian McGilvary) when they moved closer to home - near Oban. I just know nothing at all about Mary McPhail nor the time they may have been living in the Greenock area. The Johnston family I'm searching in Argyll is primarily in Kilbrandon & Kilchattan parish. Most of the information I have acquired seems to indicate most of the family did not cast their vision too distant, however, it always amazes me where a few of them turn up! Hoping all are enjoying the weekend. Joy > > > Hi Again All, > > I'm also hoping to find in 1841 & 1851 > > Peter Johnston/Johnson b 1813 Argyll & wife Mary McPhail (no clue of > information) > children: > Christina/Christian b Greenock 1836 (may have been in Kilbrandon > parish on 1841 census) > Mary b Greenock 1841 > Elizabeth b Greenock 1843 (may have been with > grandparents on 1851 census) > > Thank you ever so much ~~ > > Joy in MO > > Jul 2003 11:02:22 -0400 > From: "Ron & Mary Harris" > To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1841, 1851 census lookup request > > Hi Joy, > > Not sure what help I'll be, if any, but since you said you had "no > clue of > information" re the Argyll Johnstons or McPhails, I thought I > would throw my > 2 cents worth in. I am researching some Johnston(e)s from Argyll > (sorry, no > Peter, as yet) & there were plenty of them in the parish of Kilberry & > Kilcalmonell, Argyll in the 1800s. As for McPhails, my great great > grandmother was a Catherine McPhail. She was from Mull & there > were plenty > McPhails to be found there. Maybe this will give you a place to > look. Best > of luck! > > Mary > >

This question is for Mike If at all possible please see if the surname Gilogly appears Thank you Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Fromme" <fromme@marshlake.polarcom.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [Renfrew] 1851 lookup > I am interested in any surname GILOGLEY spellings vary to Gillogley/Gilogly etc. > > Thank you > Heather > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > > >

> From: "Christine Normington" <christine.normington@ntlworld.com> > "Shock from extensive burns to trunk and extremities in her own house, > Newton St, Paisley. 15 hours. Signed Peter Morrison, who saw her two hours > before death." > > I don't wish to appear stupid, but can anyone suggest how she may have died > please? Only I would have assumed in a house fire or if her clothes had > caught fire, the burns to her body would have been more extensive. ______________ Hello Christine ~ Peter Morrison mentions (above) your beloved gg grandmother's burns to "trunk and extremities." Those extremities would include legs and arms, so it sounds as though she was indeed extensively burned. Possibly a fire from a coal or wood stove? With kind thoughts, Jean

Hi, Mike.... I appreciate any link you can provide for me in my search. The JAMES STIRRAT I am searching was born June 16, 1799, Abbey Paisley. He married Catherine MCDOUGAL (DUGAL) 12/17/1819. I have found a Catherine (STE RRAT) in the 1851 census listed as widow. Either I have the wrong James or the wrong Catherine. I have been unable to document parents for James, but think it may have been Robert (hence their first born son). If so, that Robert STIRRAT would have to be born prior to 1779 (making him 20 when James was born.) Thanks for your help....Grace

I have a Christian (?Christina Clark) maiden name Wilson who was in Greenock in 1853. She was a widow and may have been living on her own aged 60 something. I would be curious to know if she was on the 1851 census since she is said to have spent around 10 years in `America` and had returned in recent years` Anne > Hi > Well there doesn't seem to be any Agnes Hastie's at all > There is an Edward, aged 10 with Parents Jane & John at Paisley District 466 > Book 2 Page 6 lines 10, 11, 12. I would have thought he would be a bit > young but boys will sometimes be boys! so a possibility > There is also an Edward Sweenie, aged 23 married to Ann aged 19 with no > children at Paisley, District 461 Book 1 Page 29 Lines 1 & 2 > There is an Agnes Sweeney aged 40 at Greenock but she is living with Ambrose > aged 55. > > Mike > >

Thankyou very much Mike This looks a possibility, <There is also an Edward Sweenie, aged 23 married to Ann aged 19 with no children at Paisley, District 461 Book 1 Page 29 Lines 1 & 2> I think sometimes Agnes/Ann were interchangeable. How can I find out where this district would be? I don't know anything about 1851 census. Did they give birth place, occupation etc? With best wishes and thanx again Mary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 30/06/2003

Hi There is Name, age, parish, district, book, page, Line Patrick Flatley, 20, Greenock, 438, 65, 6, 1 Catherine, 19, Greenock, 438, 65, 6, 2 Mary M, 1, Greenock, 438, 65, 6, 3 The other Flatly's could also be relatives, possibly Patricks parents and siblings but note the missing 'e' Andrew, 50, Greenock, 437, 52, 10, 17 Agnes, 54, Greenock, 437, 52, 10, 18 John, 17, Greenock, 437, 52, 10, 19 Charles, 10, Greenock, 437, 52, 11, 1 Mary Ann, 8, Greenock, 437, 52, 11, 2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gene7mac@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1851 Renfrewshire Census Index > Hi Mike > Would you mind doing a look up for me? Most likely in Greenock looking for > Patrick Flatly, His wife Mary Finnigan and daughter Mary about 21 years old. > Thank you very much > Gene > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html > >

Hi Well there doesn't seem to be any Agnes Hastie's at all There is an Edward, aged 10 with Parents Jane & John at Paisley District 466 Book 2 Page 6 lines 10, 11, 12. I would have thought he would be a bit young but boys will sometimes be boys! so a possibility There is also an Edward Sweenie, aged 23 married to Ann aged 19 with no children at Paisley, District 461 Book 1 Page 29 Lines 1 & 2 There is an Agnes Sweeney aged 40 at Greenock but she is living with Ambrose aged 55. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Campbell" <mary53@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1851 Renfrewshire Census Index > Hello Mike > If you are not 'fed up to the back teeth' with doing lookups could I please > ask for another one? > John SWEENEY was born in Love Street, Paisley in 1857. His parents were > Edward Sweeney and Agnes Hastie. I would like to know if they lived in > Paisley in 1851. I can't seem to find them anywhere. On his sons wedd cert > in 1888 Edward was desceased. > If this is too difficult, I'm sorry for asking. > Mary Campbell > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 30/06/2003 > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html >

Hi Joy, Not sure what help I'll be, if any, but since you said you had "no clue of information" re the Argyll Johnstons or McPhails, I thought I would throw my 2 cents worth in. I am researching some Johnston(e)s from Argyll (sorry, no Peter, as yet) & there were plenty of them in the parish of Kilberry & Kilcalmonell, Argyll in the 1800s. As for McPhails, my great great grandmother was a Catherine McPhail. She was from Mull & there were plenty McPhails to be found there. Maybe this will give you a place to look. Best of luck! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy" <beatsme@netins.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: [Renfrew] 1841, 1851 census lookup request > Hi Again All, > > I'm also hoping to find in 1841 & 1851 > > Peter Johnston/Johnson b 1813 Argyll & wife Mary McPhail (no clue of > information) > children: > Christina/Christian b Greenock 1836 (may have been in Kilbrandon > parish on 1841 census) > Mary b Greenock 1841 > Elizabeth b Greenock 1843 (may have been with > grandparents on 1851 census) > > Thank you ever so much ~~ > > Joy in MO > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >

I am interested in any surname GILOGLEY spellings vary to Gillogley/Gilogly etc. Thank you Heather