Hi Mike, As we struck out on my family name (MacPhee), maybe we could try a look-see for my husband's ancestors, if you aren't worn out by now or if it's not too late! I would be looking for Alfred HOWELL, age 8, or his parents Edward and Esther HOWELL. Also if H. HOWELL appeared it might solve a riddle of who witnessed a marriage. I would also be interested in finding Elizabeth McLay BROWN, age 5 with parents Archibald and Margaret. Thank you so much, Jackie Vancouver Island, Canada

Am researching SHACKLETONs : John SHACKLETON married Mary (MATHEWS) August 16, 1849 at Middle or New Parish in Greenock. Their son, William, was born either September 25, 1850 (acccording to his US death certificate) or 1852 (based on a US marriage certificate) and married Catherine MC DONALD on June 2, 1876. John's second marriage is to Mary (GIBSON) on June 26, 1857. This is the extent of my information on the Shackleton's in Scotland. Would appreciate any information or leads anyone may have --- Mike, are you willing to do another look-up on the 1851 census index? With much appreciation, Karen Shackleton Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan USA

Thanks Duncan, This could be the case because the copy I have has been crossed out and amended. Every Blessing, Christine -----Original Message----- From: duncan malcolm [mailto:duncanmalcolm@omne.uk.net] Sent: 07 July 2003 16:50 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] How did she die? Hi there, RCE stands for Register of Corrected entries - I too have had a couple of relatives whose deahs have been subject to invetigation and report. What you actually get is an amended death entry giving the cause of death as finally established. Regards Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jean.Reynolds1@Btinternet.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] How did she die? > If there were exceptional circumstances - accidental death etc. and a coroner's report was necessary (in Scotland it would be the Procurator Fiscal) there would be an entry on the side of the certificate RCE (Record of ........ entry - can't quite remember the correct terminology. In that case there is another record in another book giving full details of the circumstances - I have had this with two relatives and got the information from the Scottish Records Office when I questioned what RCE meant. > > Hope this might be of help > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Normington" <christine.normington@ntlworld.com> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 6:02 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] How did she die? > > > > I have just received the death certificate of my 2x great-grandmother > > Isabella SWAN, PAUL which tells me that she died from > > > > "Shock from extensive burns to trunk and extremities in her own house, > > Newton St, Paisley. 15 hours. Signed Peter Morrison, who saw her two hours > > before death." > > > > I don't wish to appear stupid, but can anyone suggest how she may have died > > please? Only I would have assumed in a house fire or if her clothes had > > caught fire, the burns to her body would have been more extensive. > > > > Also would there have been an inquest, and if so would the records survive > > and where would they be kept? Would something like this have been likely to > > have reached the newspapers? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Every Blessing, > > Christine > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/

Hi Heather The Index that I have covers the whole of East and West Renfrewshire and is alphabetical. So should have turned up anyone in the County. It does depend on when they arrive, perhaps they spent some time closed to the port of arrival e.g. Glasgow or even down in the area of Stranrar before moving to Renrewshire. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Fromme" <fromme@marshlake.polarcom.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: [Renfrew] 1851 census > Mike > I know you could not find a Gillogley or sim spelling but I have family moving from Ireland in 1850 (next child born Paisley 1854) > Terence Gilogley wife Ann Colton Children John and Hannah. > What are does the census cover? I asked you to check Paisley but maybe somewhere else? > Just a guess and a wish I suppose.. > > Heather > Yukon Canada > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi there, RCE stands for Register of Corrected entries - I too have had a couple of relatives whose deahs have been subject to invetigation and report. What you actually get is an amended death entry giving the cause of death as finally established. Regards Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jean.Reynolds1@Btinternet.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] How did she die? > If there were exceptional circumstances - accidental death etc. and a coroner's report was necessary (in Scotland it would be the Procurator Fiscal) there would be an entry on the side of the certificate RCE (Record of ........ entry - can't quite remember the correct terminology. In that case there is another record in another book giving full details of the circumstances - I have had this with two relatives and got the information from the Scottish Records Office when I questioned what RCE meant. > > Hope this might be of help > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Normington" <christine.normington@ntlworld.com> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 6:02 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] How did she die? > > > > I have just received the death certificate of my 2x great-grandmother > > Isabella SWAN, PAUL which tells me that she died from > > > > "Shock from extensive burns to trunk and extremities in her own house, > > Newton St, Paisley. 15 hours. Signed Peter Morrison, who saw her two hours > > before death." > > > > I don't wish to appear stupid, but can anyone suggest how she may have died > > please? Only I would have assumed in a house fire or if her clothes had > > caught fire, the burns to her body would have been more extensive. > > > > Also would there have been an inquest, and if so would the records survive > > and where would they be kept? Would something like this have been likely to > > have reached the newspapers? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Every Blessing, > > Christine > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Many thank Jean. There is definitely something written in the margin and a capital "R" is one of the letters. We are hoping to go to Scotland before the end of the year, so this is one of those things I can't wait to find out! Every Blessing, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Jean Reynolds [mailto:Jean.Reynolds1@btinternet.com] Sent: 07 July 2003 15:10 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] How did she die? If there were exceptional circumstances - accidental death etc. and a coroner's report was necessary (in Scotland it would be the Procurator Fiscal) there would be an entry on the side of the certificate RCE (Record of ........ entry - can't quite remember the correct terminology. In that case there is another record in another book giving full details of the circumstances - I have had this with two relatives and got the information from the Scottish Records Office when I questioned what RCE meant. Hope this might be of help Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Normington" <christine.normington@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: [Renfrew] How did she die? > I have just received the death certificate of my 2x great-grandmother > Isabella SWAN, PAUL which tells me that she died from > > "Shock from extensive burns to trunk and extremities in her own house, > Newton St, Paisley. 15 hours. Signed Peter Morrison, who saw her two hours > before death." > > I don't wish to appear stupid, but can anyone suggest how she may have died > please? Only I would have assumed in a house fire or if her clothes had > caught fire, the burns to her body would have been more extensive. > > Also would there have been an inquest, and if so would the records survive > and where would they be kept? Would something like this have been likely to > have reached the newspapers? > > Thank you. > > Every Blessing, > Christine > > ______________________________ ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/

If there were exceptional circumstances - accidental death etc. and a coroner's report was necessary (in Scotland it would be the Procurator Fiscal) there would be an entry on the side of the certificate RCE (Record of ........ entry - can't quite remember the correct terminology. In that case there is another record in another book giving full details of the circumstances - I have had this with two relatives and got the information from the Scottish Records Office when I questioned what RCE meant. Hope this might be of help Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Normington" <christine.normington@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: [Renfrew] How did she die? > I have just received the death certificate of my 2x great-grandmother > Isabella SWAN, PAUL which tells me that she died from > > "Shock from extensive burns to trunk and extremities in her own house, > Newton St, Paisley. 15 hours. Signed Peter Morrison, who saw her two hours > before death." > > I don't wish to appear stupid, but can anyone suggest how she may have died > please? Only I would have assumed in a house fire or if her clothes had > caught fire, the burns to her body would have been more extensive. > > Also would there have been an inquest, and if so would the records survive > and where would they be kept? Would something like this have been likely to > have reached the newspapers? > > Thank you. > > Every Blessing, > Christine > > ______________________________

Hi Mike, I know this is late but this is new info to hand.. Could you please look for : Henry DRENNAN b abt 1820, his wife Mary Ann nee (BARR) b abt 1821 married 1845 daughter SUSAN DRENNAN born 1848 Later Children are SOPHIA DRENNAN b 1853 m Richard WALLACE HENRY ALEXANDER DRENNAN b 1862 So there are lots missing. Any one recognise any of these names Irene in New Zealand

I am researching the KING family from Renfrew. James KING married AGNES CONNOR 26 Nov, 1850. West or Old Parish, Renfrew. Three children Agnes b. 1851 West or Old Parish, Renfrew James b. 1853 West or Old Parish, Renfrew Margaret b. 1856 Middle or New Parish, Renfrew Looking for any connections. Regards Julie

Hi, am searching for further information about the following people. Andrew Young b Kilwinning c 1840, wife Isabella son Andrew b 1869 Archibald b. 1870 In 1881 census living at Brisbane st, West Greenock, Andrew is a teacher. Possibly his brother Archibald Young b c 1835 Kilwinning, wife Janet , son Andrew b 1879 daughter Margaret J b. 1881. In 1881 census living at Upper Kelly st, West Greenock. Archibald is a master joiner. Both Andrew and Archibald possibly sons of Andrew Young and Jame Mackie farmer at Patterton, Kilwinning, Ayr. Thanks Margaret Pool, NZ

Hi Mike, If you aren't already blurry eyed, could you lookup the family of Matthew Gilmour and wife Jean Adam in Abbey Paisley during this period. I have children: Mathew born 1837, Adam born 1840, John born 1839, Jean born 1838 and James born 1845. Thanks for your generous offer, Sally Drain didrain3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi, Please may I jump on the bandwagon. I am looking for information on FREDERICK & ELIZABETH STOUT. They married in Port Glasgow 16-5-1846 and I am hoping they are still there in 1851 - if not it will at least give me that piece of information. FREDERICK also had the christian names Charles & Christian but didn't seem to use them. He was a Weaver at the time of his marriage. Many thanks Freda Good Malvern, Worcs.

hi Mike, Seeing all these requests for information from the 1851 Census, could you please have a look for Alexander MACPHEE, b. ca 1830. He was probably single and working as a 'surfaceman' or any job on the railway. Here's hoping there is something! Thank you kindly, Jackie Vancouver Island, Canada

Mike I know you could not find a Gillogley or sim spelling but I have family moving from Ireland in 1850 (next child born Paisley 1854) Terence Gilogley wife Ann Colton Children John and Hannah. What are does the census cover? I asked you to check Paisley but maybe somewhere else? Just a guess and a wish I suppose.. Heather Yukon Canada

Researching; HILLCOAT, Renfrew, CLINT and SPENCE, Glasgow. I wonder if anyone would be so kind as to look up the name HILLCOAT again for me in any available Renfrew censuses. My father's grandmother, Jane or Jean HILLCOAT was born in Renfrew 1825. Her father (?), Robert HILLCOAT, born 1809, Ayr...(He must have been a child bridegroom, unless he was her brother, as the dates are altogether too close). No wife is listed to Robert. Jane (Jean) HILLCOAT married Alexander SPENCE, a potter. They lived in Towhead Glasgow, where their children Isabella Spence (m. Michael Baillie), Helen (Ellen) Young SPENCE (who married my grandfather Peter CLINT, born Newton Stewart, Wig.), and Alexander (Sandy) SPENCE, who married Matilda (Ireland) and went to live in St. Louis, Missouri. They had two children Annie and William SPENCE, but I do not know whether they were born in Glasgow or U.S.A. There was then a Jane (Jeanie ) SPENCE; all children to Jane (or Jeannie) Hillcoat and Alexander Spence born in Glasgow when the last, Jeanie, was born in 1855. At some point Jane (Jeannie) Hillcoat and Alexander SPENCE moved to Rutherglen where he worked as a master potter, then they moved back to Glasgow.at one point. Or she could have been widowed when they lived in Rutherglen and she returned to live in the Townhead area of Glasgow with her children. Friends visiting here from Renfrew a couple of years ago indicated that there is still a very well-known paint company in Renfrew by the name of HILLCOAT. If I could get their address or e-mail, perhaps I could even contact them to see if there is any connection to Robert and Jane (Jeannie) HILLCOAT. Any additional information on HILLCOAT, SPENCE or CLINT names would be most appreciated. Maisie -----Original Message----- From: SCT-RENFREW-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:SCT-RENFREW-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:01 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-D@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-RENFREW-D Digest V03 #181

Hi Mike Thanks again for the Flatly lookup. Gene

Thanks, Mike.....I really appreciate your searching for me. Some of my ancestors are really illusive! Grace Hicks

Hi Heather I am not sure what you are looking for here in relationships but:2 possibilities Name, Age, Parish, District, Book, Page Line Agnes 55, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 1 William, 23, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 2 Margaret 23, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 3 Elizabeth, 15, Paisley, 468S, 3, 11, 4 The previous person would be on Page 10 but no Dick evident Then David, 35, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 16 Agnes, 32, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 17 William, 5, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 18 Grace, 3, Paisley, 468N, 5, 5, 19 John, 2, Paisley, 468M, 5, 5, 20 Looks like mother's and sons but if you are looking for a husband would the first be a possibility with husband William dead? Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Fromme" <fromme@marshlake.polarcom.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Mike 1851 Census > Hello Again > Could you look for family > DICK/William and Agnes > Paisley I blv. > > Heather > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > >

Many thanks for your help Amy. Every Blessing, Christine -----Original Message----- From: DynosoreMom@aol.com [mailto:DynosoreMom@aol.com] Sent: 05 July 2003 20:06 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] Re: How she died? If your ancestor died of shock from severe burns , then that is just what killed her. Modern medicine could have helped the shock and the burns depending on the severity. Smoke inhalation could have also done her in as well as any secondary infections resulting from the wounds. When a persons body goes into shock the central nervous system is affected greatly and can even stop the heart from working. Modern day CPR is used to treat some victims of shock as well as some injectable medications to get the heart going again. As far as looking into an inquest, as you might assume either a crime was committed or not I would try local old newspapers from that paticular date and if that leads you no where I'd try the local contables or courthouse records. Sincerely, Amy Gilroy ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/

Hi There is a Christian Clark at Greenock as follows Name, Age, Parish, District, Book, Page, Line Christian, 85, Greenock, 440, 82, 10, 13 I can't find anyone on the same page. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com