Hello there all, My half-French mother was called Joan Marguerite, she hated Joan, so was always called Peggy instead of her full name, Julia -----Original Message----- From: Ron & Mary Harris [mailto:r_harris@sympatico.ca] Sent: 13 July 2003 08:48 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] Jock & Peggy Hi again everyone, Yes, Jim, I'll buy that. That's the most sense I've heard made from the Margaret/Peggy thing. I was mostly asking on behalf of my 6 year old daughter, who (in a classroom full of Ashleys, Brittanys & Courtneys) is named Margaret - no short form yet - just Margaret. She loves her "antique" name. She knows it comes from her GGGGrandmother, Margaret McGregor & that she shares it with several other female descendants of subsequent generations. I was the eldest child in my family. My younger siblings (Catherine, James & who else? - Margaret!) as you suggested, couldn't say "Mary" right away. I was "Mamie" to each one in turn. But it didn't stick. But I have a cousin, Mamie McInnis, on whom it did! Any ideas on "Dolly"? I have an elusive relative, Dolly Johnstone, who went to NZ after WW1, but no one recalls her true given name. It wasn't Margaret, Sarah or Catherine - these were her sisters. Her mother was Agnes. Maybe it was just a nickname in it's own right. Mary ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/

Hi there, Nettie or Netta was short for Janet also for some unknown reason was also used as a version of Agnes Regards Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimpolson@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Jock & Other Names--Lydia > Hi, Ginny (Virginia, I presume?) > > The short answer is probably not. Nettie would come from possibly > Annette. Deriving it from Lydia I'd think was improbable. We can > get from Lydia to Liddy, but the substituting of L, R, N doesn't > happen at the beginnings of words (I can't think of any examples, > anyway), but only in the middle and at the end. > > It sounds like they just didn't like Lydia. Maybe there was a great > aunt Lydia who left her money to stray cats instead of to her > namesake, so they figured the bargain was off. You never know > with names. Sometimes it's just a whim. > > Jim Polson > > > While we are on this name topic Would it make sense to call someone > > named Lydia Jane, Nettie Jane? Perhaps it came about by way of younger > > siblings unable to pronounce Lydia? > > > > Ginny > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Mike Could I get you to look up Eadie, or Eddie or Edie for me? I have a family James, Christian 65 Catherine 21 Andrew 19. I am trying to trace them and can't seem to find them anywhere. Perhaps James was dead by this time. Thanks in advance. Eleanor Webmail from Sunshine Communications -- www.sunshinecable.com

;-) duncan malcolm wrote: > :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jimpolson@shaw.ca> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Scottish Given Names > > > Does this mean the creature in the Loch is actually called Agnes? > > > > Jim Polson > > > > > All the lassies named Agnes in our family were called Nessie. > > > > > > Gail > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm

Hi! I sent a request for the name McCorkell (MacCorkle) first names David and Janet (nee Rogers). Thanks, Paula -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dowding [mailto:m.dowding@virgin.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 1:37 PM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] lookups Hi all If anyone has mailed me to ask for lookups in the last couple of weeks and has not had a reply, could you ask again please. I am suffering from senior moments (more and more) and have lost track. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** To search the Rootsweb lists go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Hi all, Wow, I think we got a very useful discussion going there about given names & their often strange paths to becoming short forms or nicknames! For any researcher just starting out with Scottish genealogy & unfamiliar with their naming system, it must be quite a minefield, at first. I was just thinking of a family I know, in Argyllshire; cousins of my Dad & how only one of the eight actually went by their proper given name - Teena (Christina), Cathie/Kay (Catherine), Isa (Isabella), Neilly (Neil), Hughie (Ewan), Mamie (Mary), Nancy (Ann) & Iain! Then there's the other type of nickname. For instance, the McGregors of Balquhidder, Perth; Rob Roy's kin - practically every one was Peter, John, Hugh or a few other given names, all living there at the same time. So how did they sort them out? Big John, Red John, Dark John (in Gaelic, of course), but unfortunately these names rarely survived & all we are left with are the given names on the census - names they may never have been known by during their lifetime. My Dad knew a man, in Scotland, called Johnny Nan. His name was actually John MacDonald, but due to the overabundance of similarly named fellows in the area, he was John - Ann's (Nan) son - MacDonald, or just Johnny Nan. Now try & look him up on a census 100 years from now! My grandfather was Malcolm MacKellar, but went by Caldy for his first name. Has anyone ever heard of that one? Mary

Hi, Can any one suggest what 'Mabby' would be short for, other than Mabel? Jackie Vancouver Island On Sunday, July 13, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Graeme Auld wrote: > Mary > Margaret becomes Meg then Peg etc. or so ie was explainedto me. > Leonie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron & Mary Harris" <r_harris@sympatico.ca> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:07 AM > Subject: [Renfrew] Jock & Others > > >> Hi, >> >> I agree with the list members' versions of where Jock comes from. Not > everybody on this side of the water (Canada) realises too, that men > called > Sandy are actually born Alexander, at least in Scotland. I only > recently > learned that Nancy can be "short" for Ann. But can anybody out there > explain to me why Peggy is short for Margaret? >> >> Mary >> born Glasgow >> living in Canada >> >> >> ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== >> ********************************************************************** >> The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >> > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm >

Mike, I am interested in Mary Lyle born about 1783 in either Greenock or in a location of Argyll. She would be widowed at this time. I would be interested in any other Lyle families you come across. Thank you so much for your time. Jeannie Cunningham

I am looking for my grandfather James Richard Burns born 7/1/1893 in Gourock. Also my grandmother Mary Lewis Burns - she was born in 1901 in Greenock. Mary's mother had been married twice, first to a John Robertson, then to William Lewis. Many thanks. Peggy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dowding [mailto:m.dowding@virgin.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:37 PM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] lookups Hi all If anyone has mailed me to ask for lookups in the last couple of weeks and has not had a reply, could you ask again please. I am suffering from senior moments (more and more) and have lost track. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** To search the Rootsweb lists go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Does this mean the creature in the Loch is actually called Agnes? Jim Polson > All the lassies named Agnes in our family were called Nessie. > > Gail

All the lassies named Agnes in our family were called Nessie. Gail

> From: "Ron & Mary Harris" <r_harris@sympatico.ca> > My Dad knew a man, in Scotland, called Johnny Nan. His name was actually John > MacDonald, but due to the overabundance of similarly named fellows in the > area, he was John - Ann's (Nan) son - MacDonald, or just Johnny Nan. Now try > & look him up on a census 100 years from now! _____________ My great-grandfather (born 1871 in Johnstone, Renfrewshire) had a sister named Agnes. Her and John's great aunt was Agnes (b. 1788), as was their ggg aunt (b. 1756 in Hawkshead, England from where my Brocklebank line descends prior to gg grandfather's migration to Scotland and his son James loving Scotland as though it were his own). My gg aunt Agnes had a daughter, Agnes (Boyd). She was called Nan or Nancy. That daughter had a daughter named Agnes (Marshall), called Una. Agnes's sister, Isabella (Bella) had a daughter named Agnes Brocklebank (McKinnon) and she was called Nan. Her other sister, Jeanie (Jean, b. 1892) named her first born daughter Agnes Brocklebank also and they called her Nessie. Yes.....I have this in writing, thankfully. How else would I ever remember it all! Jean Brocklebank

Hi The most common name that I have come across for Dolly is Dorothy. (r-l change?) likewise Molly for Mary (my grandmother) Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Mary Harris" <r_harris@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Jock & Peggy > Hi again everyone, > > Yes, Jim, I'll buy that. That's the most sense I've heard made from the Margaret/Peggy thing. I was mostly asking on behalf of my 6 year old daughter, who (in a classroom full of Ashleys, Brittanys & Courtneys) is named Margaret - no short form yet - just Margaret. She loves her "antique" name. She knows it comes from her GGGGrandmother, Margaret McGregor & that she shares it with several other female descendants of subsequent generations. > > I was the eldest child in my family. My younger siblings (Catherine, James & who else? - Margaret!) as you suggested, couldn't say "Mary" right away. I was "Mamie" to each one in turn. But it didn't stick. But I have a cousin, Mamie McInnis, on whom it did! > > Any ideas on "Dolly"? I have an elusive relative, Dolly Johnstone, who went to NZ after WW1, but no one recalls her true given name. It wasn't Margaret, Sarah or Catherine - these were her sisters. Her mother was Agnes. Maybe it was just a nickname in it's own right. > > Mary > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > >

Hi Mary A couple of possibilities for you. My grandmother (born in 1890) was called "Dolly" all her life. The name on her birth certificate was Dolina, and that's what was given in the 1891 census, but by the 1901 census it had changed to Donaldina (a not uncommon name in the highlands in the mid 1800s, and her parents came from Wester Ross), and that's the name she gave on official documents for the rest of her life. We always puzzled over how "Donaldina" became "Dolly" - it was only in the past year when we started researching our family history seriously that we discovered she was originally a "Dolina", which lends itself much more naturally to becoming "Dolly". So, depending on where Dolly Johnstone or her parents came from, it might be worth checking for "Dolina Johnstone" (check for "Dollina" too) and "Donaldina Johnstone". Less helpfully, however, "Dolly" was sometimes a pet name in its own right for the youngest daugher in a family, regardless of that person's given name. We'll just have to hope that that wasn't the case with your Dolly! HTH... Regards, Donna On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 03:47:39 -0400, "Ron & Mary Harris" <r_harris@sympatico.ca> wrote: >Any ideas on "Dolly"? I have an elusive relative, Dolly Johnstone, who went to NZ after WW1, but no one recalls her true given name. It wasn't Margaret, Sarah or Catherine - these were her sisters. Her mother was Agnes. Maybe it was just a nickname in it's own right. > >Mary

Hello, Thank you for the information, Jane USA

Hi, Duncan Agneta was a form of Agnes and was often shortened to Neta. I thought it was just used in Scandinavia, but I guess these names get around. When I discovered that Mohammed had made the top 10 in names for newborns in Sweden I had to do a quick revision of my worldview. :-) Jim > Nettie or Netta was short for Janet also for some unknown reason was also > used as a version of Agnes > > Regards > > Duncan

Hi Robbie Did you get a message I sent to you at your hotmail address? I found the birth of Marie and sent on the details to you Ann annepryce@ntlworld.com > > Dear Ann, > thank you for the info on Marie Anckieson, i will have a go at the Anderson > male and Fleming female and see where that could leed.I do have some info on > the Humphry and Elizabeth Fleming from Kimalcolm. > By the looks of 19 Ingleston street thay seemed to have a full house at one > stage. > Thank you again > Yours Robbie > > _________________________________________________________________

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Hi, Ginny (Virginia, I presume?) The short answer is probably not. Nettie would come from possibly Annette. Deriving it from Lydia I'd think was improbable. We can get from Lydia to Liddy, but the substituting of L, R, N doesn't happen at the beginnings of words (I can't think of any examples, anyway), but only in the middle and at the end. It sounds like they just didn't like Lydia. Maybe there was a great aunt Lydia who left her money to stray cats instead of to her namesake, so they figured the bargain was off. You never know with names. Sometimes it's just a whim. Jim Polson > While we are on this name topic Would it make sense to call someone > named Lydia Jane, Nettie Jane? Perhaps it came about by way of younger > siblings unable to pronounce Lydia? > > Ginny

Hi, Mary (or Mamie, or whatever :-) ) Dolly is probably another example of switching from R to L. Dorothy-->Dorrie-->Dolly Of course, it's always possible for other names to end up in the same place. If you had strange parents who called you Dolomite, you might prefer Dolly. Not that a Scottish parent would ever do such a thing! :-) Sometimes a name someone wants to be called by has no relation whatever to their official name--they just like it better. Jim Polson > Any ideas on "Dolly"? I have an elusive relative, Dolly Johnstone, who went to NZ after WW1, but no one recalls her true given name. It wasn't Margaret, Sarah or Catherine - these were her sisters. Her mother was Agnes. Maybe it was just a nickname in it's own right.