Thanks Mike - everything is always worth a try! Anne > Hi > The oldest John Wilson in Greenock is 46.The oldest in the list is 58 at > Inverkip. In total there are about 60 John Wilsons, so not much hope I am > afraid > > Even more on the East Renfrew section, I had a look in case he might have > been in an Institution of some kind (depends on how "weak in the head"). > The ages of these are 65, 57, 66, 65, 56, 74 all at Paisley > > Mike > > >

Hi The oldest John Wilson in Greenock is 46.The oldest in the list is 58 at Inverkip. In total there are about 60 John Wilsons, so not much hope I am afraid Even more on the East Renfrew section, I had a look in case he might have been in an Institution of some kind (depends on how "weak in the head"). The ages of these are 65, 57, 66, 65, 56, 74 all at Paisley Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Pryce" <annepryce@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] 1851 Renfrewshire Census Index > I know it was a while since you sent me the message below - thanks for this. > I have just remembered that Christian Clark (Wilson) said she had a > brother John - quote `said to be weak in the mind`. He was living in 1853 > but I have no idea if he was married or not. > So that would be John Wilson - presumably also elderly. Likely born > Greenock. > I presume there would be too many Wilson too spot the individual . > > Can you look also for Isabella Clark or Spence born circa 1821 > Helensburgh - part of the same family. Was in Glasgow in later life but may > be in Greenock in the 1850`s. And Mary Clark born Helensburgh - same age > group > > Anne > > > > > Hi > > There is a Christian Clark at Greenock as follows > > Name, Age, Parish, District, Book, Page, Line > > Christian, 85, Greenock, 440, 82, 10, 13 > > I can't find anyone on the same page. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >

Dear Ann, Yes thank you very much i did get the email. It states that Isabella was the mother, now i have to find out what happened to Marie, the plot thickens in this family of mine. As with my mothers family, the Kerrs and Mcewans. Thank you very much again yours Robbie _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referral=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Thanks for getting back to me Mike. I do appreciate your help -- who know's if I can ever find my grandparents parent's names, I may be back to you for 1851. Thanks. again. Peggy -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dowding [mailto:m.dowding@virgin.net] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:48 PM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] lookups Sorry - my fault - I have the 1851 census so can't help Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hanley" <wussweiler@cox.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] lookups > I am looking for my grandfather James Richard Burns born 7/1/1893 in > Gourock. Also my grandmother Mary Lewis Burns - she was born in 1901 in > Greenock. Mary's mother had been married twice, first to a John Robertson, > then to William Lewis. Many thanks. Peggy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Dowding [mailto:m.dowding@virgin.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:37 PM > To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Renfrew] lookups > > > Hi all > If anyone has mailed me to ask for lookups in the last couple of weeks and > has not had a reply, could you ask again please. I am suffering from senior > moments (more and more) and have lost track. > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! > Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter > http://mail.giantcompany.com > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/

Do your Kerrs and McEwans come from Greenock also? I have these names in the Stirling Denny area Do you know if your Marie got married? Anne > > Dear Ann, > Yes thank you very much i did get the email. > It states that Isabella was the mother, now i have to find out what happened > to Marie, the plot thickens in this family of mine. As with my mothers > family, the Kerrs and Mcewans. > Thank you very much again > yours Robbie > > _________________________________________________________________ >

I am researching my gg father John Aiton who was born in Houston (near Paisley, Sct) on 10 July 1860, parents Andrew Aiton & Catherine McNair. He emigrated to Australia via the USA in the 1890s. There does not seem to be any record of his birth between 1855 - 1865. Any info on Aiton or McNair appreciated. __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

I have Janets, called Jessie -----Original Message----- From: darkwing@shaw.ca [mailto:darkwing@shaw.ca] Sent: 13 July 2003 22:39 To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Scottish Given Names All the lassies named Agnes in our family were called Nessie. Gail ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire Query board is at http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew

I have Smith's from Islay who might have migrated to the mainland - any connections? Eva -----Original Message----- From: MaryInnes1@aol.com [mailto:MaryInnes1@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:08 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] CONN-SMITH-LOCHRIE-MCGINTY-MCCANN-SHERIDAN-DONNELLY Hi There, It's been some time since I posted my surnames - if anyone sees any they are also looking for just drop me a line - Mostly the PAISLEY area. SMITH BIRKETT MILROY CONN LOCHRIE DONALD/DONNELLY/O DONNELL etc SHERIDAN McGINTY MCCANN BROADLIE Mary ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/

My DAVID MCCULLOCH seems to have lived at DOVECOTEHALL, Neilston in 1835 before coming to Canada in 1842. I see there were still McCulloch's (WILLIAM & MARY & 2 CHILDREN) living there in 1851 according to the census. Does anyone have any information on DOVECOTEHALL? Marg

Hi There, It's been some time since I posted my surnames - if anyone sees any they are also looking for just drop me a line - Mostly the PAISLEY area. SMITH BIRKETT MILROY CONN LOCHRIE DONALD/DONNELLY/O DONNELL etc SHERIDAN McGINTY MCCANN BROADLIE Mary

Hi Mike I am interested in the King family James King married Agnes Connor children Agnes b. Sep 1851 James b. 1853 Margaret b. 1856 We really appreciate your time with the census lookups -- Many thanks. Looking for any connections or info. Kind regards Julie

Here are a few more to ponder over. All from my line of researching Heather in New Zealand Bell, Bella, Belle - Arabelle, Anabelle, Belinda, Elizabeth, Isabel, Isabella, Mirabel, Rosabel Belle - Mabel, Sybil Bess, Bessie, Bessy, Beth, Bette, Bettie, Bettie, Betsy, Betsey, Bitsy - Elizabeth, Elisabeth Bob, Bobby - Robert Bobbi, Bobbie - Roberta Boots - Bertha Bridey, Brie - Bridget Carrie, Carry - Caroline, Charlotte Cindy - Cynthia, Cinthia, Lucinda Daisy - Margaret Delia - Adelia, Adele, Cordelia Dick - Richard Dobbin - Robert Dode, Dody - Dorothy, Theodore Dolly - Dorothy, Doreen Dora - Dorothy, Eudora, Theodora Ed, Eddie, Eddy - Edgar, Edmund, Edward, Edwin, Edwina Effie, Effy - Euphemia, Evelyn Eliza - Elizabeth, Elisabeth Greta - Margaret, Margaretha Ella, Ellie - Eleanor, Elenora Fannie, Fanny - Frances Frankie - Frances (female), Francis (male), Franklin Genie - Eugenia Ginger, Ginny - Virginia Hal - Harold, Henry Hank, Harry - Henry Hattie - Harriet, Harriett Hettie - Esther, Henrietta, Hester Jack - John Jamie - James, Jameson Jenny - Jane, Janet, Jeanette, Jennett, Virginia Jim, Jimmy - James Jock, Johnnie, Johnny - John Kate, Katie, Katy, Kay, Kit, Kitty - Katherine Lena - Angelina, Helena, Magdalena, Paulina, Selena Lisa, Lise, Liz, Lizzie - Elizabeth, Elisabeth Lucy - Lucinda Madge, Maggie, Midge - Margaret Mamie - Mary Marty, Martie, Mattie - Martha May - Mary Meg, Megan - Margaret Millie, Milly - Amelia, Mildred Moll, Mollie, Molly - Mary Nell, Nellie, Nelly - Eleanor, Elenora, Ellen, Helen Nora - Elenore, Elenora, Honora, Honoria Ollie - Olive, Olivia, Oliver Pat, Patsy, Patty, Pattie - Martha, Matilda, Patricia, Patience Peg, Peggy - Margaret Penny - Penelope Polly, Pollie - Mary, Paula Rich, Richy, Rick - Richard Rob, Robbie, Robby - Robert Robin - Robert, Roberta Sadie, Sally, Sallie - Sarah Sam, Sammy, Sammie - Samuel, Samson, Samantha Sukie, Suchie, Suchy - Susan, Susanna, Susannah Tad - Theodore Ted, Teddy - Edward, Theodore Theo - Theodore Tilly - Temperance Tillie - Matilda, Mathilda Tina - Christina Trina - Catherine, Katherine Winnie - Winefred, Winifred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Mary Harris" <r_harris@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:26 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Scottish Given Names > Hi all, > > Wow, I think we got a very useful discussion going there about given names & their often strange paths to becoming short forms or nicknames! For any researcher just starting out with Scottish genealogy & unfamiliar with their naming system, it must be quite a minefield, at first. I was just thinking of a family I know, in Argyllshire; cousins of my Dad & how only one of the eight actually went by their proper given name - Teena (Christina), Cathie/Kay (Catherine), Isa (Isabella), Neilly (Neil), Hughie (Ewan), Mamie (Mary), Nancy (Ann) & Iain! > > Then there's the other type of nickname. For instance, the McGregors of Balquhidder, Perth; Rob Roy's kin - practically every one was Peter, John, Hugh or a few other given names, all living there at the same time. So how did they sort them out? Big John, Red John, Dark John (in Gaelic, of course), but unfortunately these names rarely survived & all we are left with are the given names on the census - names they may never have been known by during their lifetime. > > My Dad knew a man, in Scotland, called Johnny Nan. His name was actually John MacDonald, but due to the overabundance of similarly named fellows in the area, he was John - Ann's (Nan) son - MacDonald, or just Johnny Nan. Now try & look him up on a census 100 years from now! > > My grandfather was Malcolm MacKellar, but went by Caldy for his first name. Has anyone ever heard of that one? > > Mary > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Mary Margaret becomes Meg then Peg etc. or so ie was explainedto me. Leonie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Mary Harris" <r_harris@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Jock & Others > Hi, > > I agree with the list members' versions of where Jock comes from. Not everybody on this side of the water (Canada) realises too, that men called Sandy are actually born Alexander, at least in Scotland. I only recently learned that Nancy can be "short" for Ann. But can anybody out there explain to me why Peggy is short for Margaret? > > Mary > born Glasgow > living in Canada > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ >

As a child I lived in a small country town in NSW Australia and one of my father's friends was known as Jock Laird. He was not the only person in the town with a Scottish accent. My own grandfather also was Scottish. When grandpa had two new grandsons he decided they should be known as Pat and Mick. This was despite the fact that the babies had already been named by their parents and registered as such. They are still known as Pat and Mick some 80 years later. Mick is properly known as Kenneth Leslie, but time has blurred the correct name for Pat. Cheers, Janet from Sydney

I know it was a while since you sent me the message below - thanks for this. I have just remembered that Christian Clark (Wilson) said she had a brother John - quote `said to be weak in the mind`. He was living in 1853 but I have no idea if he was married or not. So that would be John Wilson - presumably also elderly. Likely born Greenock. I presume there would be too many Wilson too spot the individual . Can you look also for Isabella Clark or Spence born circa 1821 Helensburgh - part of the same family. Was in Glasgow in later life but may be in Greenock in the 1850`s. And Mary Clark born Helensburgh - same age group Anne > > Hi > There is a Christian Clark at Greenock as follows > Name, Age, Parish, District, Book, Page, Line > Christian, 85, Greenock, 440, 82, 10, 13 > I can't find anyone on the same page. > > Mike > >

Thank you Charles -David & Mike Dowding for the microfiche information. I will follow up on it. To Ann Pryce, I bought a second hand Microfiche Reader from my local Genealogy Society for about A$25.00 some years ago. If you have an Association near you, ask them, or your nearest Canon Agency (the workshop side). Regards David Bratchie Lyle - Perth, Western Australia d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au Researching for :- BRATCHIE, BROTCHIE, CREDIDIO, GIBBINS, LAIRD, LYLE, MELLING, MITCHELL, TAYLOR Genealogy - Forever looking backwards

:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimpolson@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Scottish Given Names > Does this mean the creature in the Loch is actually called Agnes? > > Jim Polson > > > All the lassies named Agnes in our family were called Nessie. > > > > Gail > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

In Australia it is common for any Scottish man to be called "Jock" as a nickname. Cheers Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <MCLEANSUSA@aol.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Re: Jock > In a message dated 7/12/03 7:14:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > d.jlyle@net1.nw.com.au writes: > When we visited > there, however, we were told it was slang for a Scottish man. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 7/10/03

Hi all If anyone has mailed me to ask for lookups in the last couple of weeks and has not had a reply, could you ask again please. I am suffering from senior moments (more and more) and have lost track. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com

Dear Ann, thank you for the info on Marie Anckieson, i will have a go at the Anderson male and Fleming female and see where that could leed.I do have some info on the Humphry and Elizabeth Fleming from Kimalcolm. By the looks of 19 Ingleston street thay seemed to have a full house at one stage. Thank you again Yours Robbie _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referral=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp