HI Heather, I have the same problem with the same names! Tring to search for my MCGOLDRICK family has been a nightmare as they were known as McGoldrick now, and in the 1861 Census but in the 1891 census they were known as GOLDIE and I couldn't find them in the 1881 census at all despite looking up loads of variations - I eventually got then (this week) by looking up MCGOURLAY, and there they were in the 1881 census. I have only found some of the (large) family birth details as I think they seemed to cange the name depending on what the registrar "thought" he heard! They were back to McGoldrick by 1901 census! I have recorded them as McGOLDRICK but entered the spelling anomalies as they were recorded on my genealogy programme/paper records. It should be able to cope with the variations. My family were in the Coatbridge/Old Monkland (LANARKSHIRE) mostly but just in case they may be a connection to yours - I have: WILLIAM MCGOLDRICK born approx 1838? in Ireland married to Roseanne Clifford in 1860. Williams parents were said to be OWEN MCGOLDRICK and BRIDGET GALLOGHER William and Roseann MCGOLDRICK (and variations!) had at least 10 children: William John born 1860 Margaret b approx 1863 Patrick born approx 1866 Francis born approx 1867 Isabella born 1/2/1868 Andrew born app 1870 James born 1/10/1873 Thomas born approx 1879 Michael born approx 1881 Bridget born approx 1886 take care Mary Heather wrote------------------------------- X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:17:17 -0500 From: "Heather Fromme" <fromme@marshlake.polarcom.com> To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <023b01c35096$a21caa90$e59ef7c7@Heather> Subject: [Renfrew] Confused Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1" Hello I need some assistance please. What do you do when you have one name and you get back far enough and the spelling is different but you are sure it is the correct family.. I have James GOLDIE and on his death cert. his parent names are given as GOLDIE but when I located their marriage it is spelled GOURLAY. I know it is the correct person because of James wife's death record..all same info.. Do I list it with two spellings or what???

Hello I need some assistance please. What do you do when you have one name and you get back far enough and the spelling is different but you are sure it is the correct family.. I have James GOLDIE and on his death cert. his parent names are given as GOLDIE but when I located their marriage it is spelled GOURLAY. I know it is the correct person because of James wife's death record..all same info.. Do I list it with two spellings or what???

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Deaths District Hillhead/Glasgow 1909 GARDINER/Andrew age 40 F: Andrew Gardiner M: Agnes Sinclair 1909 MCJANNET/Helen age 27 F: John McJannet M: Jane Hutchison 1909 BEATON/William age 52 F: John Beaton M: Mary Ann (possibly-OLIVER married to Elizabeth ? unclear

Dear all I wonder if anyone knows where an obit might be obtained for a death in Yoker 1924, registered at Scotstoun. The sister of my great grandmother died March 1st 1924 at 2 Harvey Street, Yoker, she was Maria Cecilia MACCOLL (nee ANDERSON) born 1844/5 in Worthing Sussex (according to most census) she was the wife of Malcolm MACCOLL an Episcopalian Minister. I believe that Malcolm died in 1907 but ran out of credits before I could check that out. Again there is a possibility of an obit for him. Any help very much appreciated. Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall I have Malcolm & Maria's marriage and the census for 1881, 1891 & 1901, I also have Malcolm's entry in Crockfords. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/03

Looking for further information on William Barrowman marr Margaret Mackie in Stewarton 1866, children, Margaret, William, Richard, Mary, Annie, Jane, John,by the 1881 census the family were living at Lorabar Farm, Lochwinnoch Thanks Margaret Pool, NZ

Hi Jean... Thanks for the information. It is known that "JR's" (who was born in Indiana, btw) father was born in Paisley, Scotland and his mother was born in Glasgow, Scotland. Richard and Annabelle (the parents) met while attending Glasgow University as students. Several years after their marriage the came to America, landing in Philadelphia. Eventually they ended up in Seymour, IN after brief stops in Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville and Jeffersonville. Dave.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Brocklebank" <jeanbean@baymoon.com> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: July 17, 2003 11:27 Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Montgomery/ Paisley > > > From: "Dave Eaton" <deeaton@starpower.net> > > > My wife's GGGGF was James Renwick Montgomery. His father was from > > Paisley. A group of us where wondering where the name "Renwick" came > > from (he had named his first born Ewing Renwick) as we have not been > > able, to date, to find a link to a family Renwick. Would anyone on The > > List know if there is a place in Scotland by the name of 'Renwick'? > ________________ > > Hi Dave ~ > > For many years I was so delighted to know that my great grandfather, James > BROCKLEBANK, was born in Scotland (Johnstone, Paisley) and married a > Scottish lass, Barbara MCCGOWAN, whose mother was Barbara MCAULAY. Great > grandfather so loved Scotland (and had the accent to go with his love) that > after the Brocklebank and McGowan families emigrated to North Grafton, > Massachusetts to run a linen thread business there, he returned many times > to visit his beloved Scotland. > > I always thought my great grandfather was Scottish through and through. > Then, through genealogy I learned that the BROCKLEBANKS were from England! > At least as far back as I am now: gggg grandfather John Brocklebank from > Hawshead in the Lake District. At first I was terribly disappointed. > England? Enemy of Scotland? Horrors! Then I read the history of the Lake > District (it is north west England, as close to the Scottish border as one > can get!) and learned that its original people came from the Norse through > Ireland. I am learning more each day and am now quite proud and happy of > both the knowledge of my unScottish-sounding Brocklebank. Besides, I still > have all that McGowan, McAulay and McLachlan blood in me veins! > > My point? I think you might do some checking in England for your wife's > James Renwick Montgomery, old chap!!! > > All the best, > Jean Brocklebank > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the archived lists, including this list go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/search.html >

> From: "Dave Eaton" <deeaton@starpower.net> > My wife's GGGGF was James Renwick Montgomery. His father was from > Paisley. A group of us where wondering where the name "Renwick" came > from (he had named his first born Ewing Renwick) as we have not been > able, to date, to find a link to a family Renwick. Would anyone on The > List know if there is a place in Scotland by the name of 'Renwick'? ________________ Hi Dave ~ For many years I was so delighted to know that my great grandfather, James BROCKLEBANK, was born in Scotland (Johnstone, Paisley) and married a Scottish lass, Barbara MCCGOWAN, whose mother was Barbara MCAULAY. Great grandfather so loved Scotland (and had the accent to go with his love) that after the Brocklebank and McGowan families emigrated to North Grafton, Massachusetts to run a linen thread business there, he returned many times to visit his beloved Scotland. I always thought my great grandfather was Scottish through and through. Then, through genealogy I learned that the BROCKLEBANKS were from England! At least as far back as I am now: gggg grandfather John Brocklebank from Hawshead in the Lake District. At first I was terribly disappointed. England? Enemy of Scotland? Horrors! Then I read the history of the Lake District (it is north west England, as close to the Scottish border as one can get!) and learned that its original people came from the Norse through Ireland. I am learning more each day and am now quite proud and happy of both the knowledge of my unScottish-sounding Brocklebank. Besides, I still have all that McGowan, McAulay and McLachlan blood in me veins! My point? I think you might do some checking in England for your wife's James Renwick Montgomery, old chap!!! All the best, Jean Brocklebank

Hi Listers... My wife's GGGGF was James Renwick Montgomery. His father was from Paisley. A group of us where wondering where the name "Renwick" came from (he had named his first born Ewing Renwick) as we have not been able, to date, to find a link to a family Renwick. Would anyone on The List know if there is a place in Scotland by the name of 'Renwick'? Thank you, Dave...

I have an extract of a marriage of Robert Thompson, parents David Thompson/Isabella Thompson and Elizabeth Barbour, parents James Barbour/Janet Boyle which is not my family. The marriage took place on Novemebr 18, 1881 at Greenock Road, Paisley. Anyone connected with this family and who would like this certificate, please contact me. Alison J.

Dear Anne, the mcewan and kerrs are my mothers side. She was born Bessie Sutherland Kerr and her mother was Mary Beggs Kerr there was no father on mums birth cert, but found out a couple of weeks ago that Mary was May kerr and married William Mcewan on 25th may 1921. And that was 6 months after my mother was born, i think mum was fostered out but mary (may) and William were married in Glasgow and had 2 other children John and he was born as i take it in Wishaw Lanark and Janet and she was born Overtown Lanark. And as for poor Marie i have know idea what happened to her. Yours Robbie _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referral=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Hi This NAS fact sheet may help. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. http://www.nas.gov.uk/miniframe/fact_sheet/adoption.pdf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron & Mary Harris" <r_harris@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Adoption 1930s > Hi, > > Wondering what the practice was for adoption, in Scotland, in the 1930s. My grandmother had 3 children, whom she could not care for, adopted in the 1930s. I only know the name of one. Was there an agency? > > Mary > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctrfw/ > >

Eva wrote............ I have Smith's from Islay who might have migrated to the mainland - any connections? Eva -----Original Message----- From: MaryInnes1@aol.com [mailto:MaryInnes1@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:08 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] CONN-SMITH-LOCHRIE-MCGINTY-MCCANN-SHERIDAN-DONNELLY Hi There, It's been some time since I posted my surnames - if anyone sees any they are also looking for just drop me a line - Mostly the PAISLEY area. SMITH BIRKETT MILROY CONN LOCHRIE DONALD/DONNELLY/O DONNELL etc SHERIDAN McGINTY MCCANN BROADLIE Mary Hi Eva, Don't think there is a connection - My SMITHS came to Paisley from PORTPATRICK in Wigtownshire Via Glasgow. Hugh SMITH born 1841 in Portpatrick married in Glasgow in 1870 to MARGARET HAMILTON MCCARLIE and moved to Paisley where he was a stonemason. He died in 1903 when he fell from a building he was working on in Glasgow . They had at least 9 children: HUGH SMITH born 1871 SAMUEL SMITH born 1873 (Married Mary Jane BIRKETT ) Died 1918 (my direct line) ALEXANDER SMITH born approx 1877 dead by 1883) ALEXANDER SMITH born 1883 died 1893 (accident) MARGARET SMITH born 1875 died 1883 (accident) WILLIAM SMITH born approx 1880 ELIZABETH SMITH born 1888 MARGARET HAMILTON SMITH Born 1886 (married William Charles WILSON) WILLIAMINA SMITH born 1891 (married Harry Hutchison PEAT) died 1948 Mary

Can't see any connection with your family and mine but thanks for replying. The search goes on! Eva -----Original Message----- From: MaryInnes1@aol.com [mailto:MaryInnes1@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:18 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] SMITH Eva wrote............ I have Smith's from Islay who might have migrated to the mainland - any connections? Eva -----Original Message----- From: MaryInnes1@aol.com [mailto:MaryInnes1@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:08 AM To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Renfrew] CONN-SMITH-LOCHRIE-MCGINTY-MCCANN-SHERIDAN-DONNELLY Hi There, It's been some time since I posted my surnames - if anyone sees any they are also looking for just drop me a line - Mostly the PAISLEY area. SMITH BIRKETT MILROY CONN LOCHRIE DONALD/DONNELLY/O DONNELL etc SHERIDAN McGINTY MCCANN BROADLIE Mary Hi Eva, Don't think there is a connection - My SMITHS came to Paisley from PORTPATRICK in Wigtownshire Via Glasgow. Hugh SMITH born 1841 in Portpatrick married in Glasgow in 1870 to MARGARET HAMILTON MCCARLIE and moved to Paisley where he was a stonemason. He died in 1903 when he fell from a building he was working on in Glasgow . They had at least 9 children: HUGH SMITH born 1871 SAMUEL SMITH born 1873 (Married Mary Jane BIRKETT ) Died 1918 (my direct line) ALEXANDER SMITH born approx 1877 dead by 1883) ALEXANDER SMITH born 1883 died 1893 (accident) MARGARET SMITH born 1875 died 1883 (accident) WILLIAM SMITH born approx 1880 ELIZABETH SMITH born 1888 MARGARET HAMILTON SMITH Born 1886 (married William Charles WILSON) WILLIAMINA SMITH born 1891 (married Harry Hutchison PEAT) died 1948 Mary ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== ********************************************************************** The Renfrewshire Query board is at http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew

Hi, Wondering what the practice was for adoption, in Scotland, in the 1930s. My grandmother had 3 children, whom she could not care for, adopted in the 1930s. I only know the name of one. Was there an agency? Mary

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Hi Mike Many thanks for your help. Julie from OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dowding" <m.dowding@virgin.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Greenock census request > Hi > Not much help here I am afraid > The only James/Agnes in the same household are more likely to be brother and > sister from the line numbers, however, just in case > Abbey Parish, District, 471, Book 15, Page, Line > John, 56, Line 9 > Margaret, 50, Line 10 > Agnes, 25, Line 11 > James, 23, Line 12 > Margaret, 17, Line 13 > May Glen, 15, Line 14 > John, 11, Line 15 > > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! > Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter > http://mail.giantcompany.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie" <clab@powerup.com.au> > To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:43 AM > Subject: [Renfrew] Greenock census request > > > > Hi Mike > > > > I am interested in the King family > > > > James King married Agnes Connor > > > > children > > Agnes b. Sep 1851 > > James b. 1853 > > Margaret b. 1856 > > > > We really appreciate your time with the census lookups -- Many thanks. > > > > Looking for any connections or info. > > > > Kind regards > > Julie > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > > ********************************************************************** > > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > > > > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > Need an LDS film number to order a film at your local LDS library? Try > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Garden/1311/13300-scottishreference.htm > >

Sorry - my fault - I have the 1851 census so can't help Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hanley" <wussweiler@cox.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] lookups > I am looking for my grandfather James Richard Burns born 7/1/1893 in > Gourock. Also my grandmother Mary Lewis Burns - she was born in 1901 in > Greenock. Mary's mother had been married twice, first to a John Robertson, > then to William Lewis. Many thanks. Peggy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Dowding [mailto:m.dowding@virgin.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:37 PM > To: SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Renfrew] lookups > > > Hi all > If anyone has mailed me to ask for lookups in the last couple of weeks and > has not had a reply, could you ask again please. I am suffering from senior > moments (more and more) and have lost track. > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! > Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter > http://mail.giantcompany.com > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > To search the Rootsweb lists go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > >

Hi This could be her living with her son Greenock, Districty 439, book 76, page, 8-9, Robert 28, Line 15 Agnes, 24, Line 16 Mary S, 3, Line 17 Jane C, 1 Line 18 Might be worth getting someone to look on the full transcription, there could be a line 19 and even 20. Mary, 67, Line 1 Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannie Cunningham" <ejeanc@comcast.net> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: [Renfrew] 1851 Greenock census lookup request for Lyle > Mike, > > I am interested in Mary Lyle born about 1783 in either Greenock or in a location of Argyll. She would be widowed at this time. > I would be interested in any other Lyle families you come across. > > Thank you so much for your time. > Jeannie Cunningham > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire Query board is at > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Renfrew > >

Hi Not much help here I am afraid The only James/Agnes in the same household are more likely to be brother and sister from the line numbers, however, just in case Abbey Parish, District, 471, Book 15, Page, Line John, 56, Line 9 Margaret, 50, Line 10 Agnes, 25, Line 11 James, 23, Line 12 Margaret, 17, Line 13 May Glen, 15, Line 14 John, 11, Line 15 Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie" <clab@powerup.com.au> To: <SCT-RENFREW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:43 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Greenock census request > Hi Mike > > I am interested in the King family > > James King married Agnes Connor > > children > Agnes b. Sep 1851 > James b. 1853 > Margaret b. 1856 > > We really appreciate your time with the census lookups -- Many thanks. > > Looking for any connections or info. > > Kind regards > Julie > > > ==== SCT-RENFREW Mailing List ==== > ********************************************************************** > The Renfrewshire GENUKI page is at > http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/RFW/ > >