I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like mine) "missing relatives and why they were sealed. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > Janet > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list as > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to Utah > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also I > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or 40 > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what he > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have been > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a shame > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information locked > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so all > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt > because I sent them copies of each document. > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way into a > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before GGGrandfather > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > Scotlandspeople. > Michael > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Michael, > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon library > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then he > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the church > > records taken > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > > record > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > > missing a > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > shame > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as you > > said, > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > Janet > > > > > >

DEAR RUTH...NO RELATION THAT I AM AWARE OF...ALL MY PAISLEY CAMPBELL'S WERE GONE FROM PAISLEY BY 1860...MY GRANDFATHER SAMUEL,(1829-1914 LEFT TO GO TO NYC IN 1858...HIS ONE BROTHER,JAMES WAS A STEWRD ON THE ANCHOR LINE&DIED IN GLASGOW ABOUT 1903...HIS OTHER BROTHER,WILLIAM ALSO CAME TO NYC AS AN ENGINEER...HE DIED 1912...HE HAD AN AUNT (1820-1884),MARGARET,MARRIED PETER ROBERTSON...THEY LIVED IN GOVAN...SHE DIED IN 1884 MY GRANDFATHER HAD SEVERAL SISTERS ALL DIED YOUNG IN THE 1830'S& 40"S...SORRY I CUD NOT HELP...GUD LUCK IN UR RESEARCH... GEORGE CAMPBELL...STUART,FL

Jenelle, If you find that article, I would love to find out why they were sealed. I have asked at the FHL for an explanation of the sealings, but was never given an explanation. Just put off. Janet In a message dated 5/8/2006 12:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like mine) "missing relatives and why they were sealed. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > Janet > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list as > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to Utah > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also I > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or 40 > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what he > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have been > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a shame > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information locked > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so all > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt > because I sent them copies of each document. > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way into a > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before GGGrandfather > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > Scotlandspeople. > Michael > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Michael, > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon library > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then he > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the church > > records taken > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > > record > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > > missing a > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > shame > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as you > > said, > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > Janet > > > > > >

Michael, I didn't know that since I hadn't ordered films for quite a while. I was planning a trip to the LDL this week to order some films. Looks as if I may be in for a surprise. I've also noticed that many of the former researcher's work are not available to the public anymore. Everytime I find someone who has done work on a line in my family and I have hit a brickwall on the family, those records submitted are not available to me. The whole purpose of sending our work to SLC in the past was to help others in the future who may be searching our lines. I too have made hard copies of IGI fische in the past and now find it very helpful. One of them shows my grandfather's birth and christening in Paisley. His brother who was b. two years later (1854) is still listed in the IGI. That brother died young and did not marry or leave children. I also share my work with others in my family. Janet In a message dated 5/7/2006 11:39:54 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Janet My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list as having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to Utah to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also I keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or 40 years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what he found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have been sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a shame that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information locked away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so all have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt because I sent them copies of each document. Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way into a great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before GGGrandfather disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on Scotlandspeople. Michael On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Michael, > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon library > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then he > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the church > records taken > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > record > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > missing a > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > shame > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as you > said, > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > Janet > >

Janet I don't think most of the volunteers know themselves why. Since the FHCs are all volunteers many times, as in my case, you must go on different days and see who is the most knowledgeable and helpful. Then plan to keep going that day, in my case it is Tuesday when the head volunteer works. I don't believe even she knows about all of it. It just seems like we all stumble along together. So if You feel "put off " that is probably why. Michael On 5/8/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jenelle, > If you find that article, I would love to find out why they were > sealed. I > have asked at the FHL for an explanation of the sealings, but was never > given > an explanation. Just put off. > Janet > > In a message dated 5/8/2006 12:09:57 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine > re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like > mine) > "missing relatives and why they were sealed. > Jenelle. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > Janet > > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list > as > > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to > Utah > > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also > I > > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or > 40 > > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what > he > > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have > been > > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a > shame > > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information > locked > > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so > all > > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt > > because I sent them copies of each document. > > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way > into > a > > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may > > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the > > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before > GGGrandfather > > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > > Scotlandspeople. > > Michael > > > > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Michael, > > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon > library > > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then > he > > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the > church > > > records taken > > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > > > record > > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > > > missing a > > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > > shame > > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as > you > > > said, > > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > >

Janelle YES! Please dig. I would truely like to know and understand what and why. Thankyou for the offer Michael On 5/8/06, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine > re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like > mine) > "missing relatives and why they were sealed. > Jenelle. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > Janet > > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list > as > > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to > Utah > > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also > I > > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or > 40 > > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what > he > > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have > been > > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a > shame > > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information > locked > > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so > all > > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt > > because I sent them copies of each document. > > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way > into > a > > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may > > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the > > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before > GGGrandfather > > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > > Scotlandspeople. > > Michael > > > > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Michael, > > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon > library > > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then > he > > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the > church > > > records taken > > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > > > record > > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > > > missing a > > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > > shame > > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as > you > > > said, > > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > >

Michael, I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon library near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then he disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the church records taken by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth record after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are missing a relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a shame when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as you said, the IGI is still the best place to start looking. Janet In a message dated 5/7/2006 10:34:03 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Janet I also had a relative that was listed in the OPRs on the IGI in the mid 1990s and disappeared in the newer records after 2000. I found him on Scotlandspeople in 2004/5, but I heard that people are regularly pulled out of the IGI records for many reasons including requests by the submitter or his family. I Have no idea of the truth of that and wish some knowledgeable person would straighten it out for me. The IGI is still one of the best places to start. Michael On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > I first wish to commend the person or persons who have made all the IGI > Batch > numbers available on the internet. They have done a wonderful job in > helping > all of us find our ancestors. > > I am having a problem accessing my grandfather on the Refrew, Paisley > site. > I found him some time ago in the OPR listings, in fact found him > twice. Once > for the birth and again for the confirmation. While searching for other > relatives in Paisley recently I noticed that my grandfather is no longer > listed. > Has his record somehow fallen through the cracks and is now lost to future > researchers? > > Janet > >

Janet My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list as having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to Utah to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also I keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or 40 years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what he found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have been sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a shame that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information locked away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so all have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt because I sent them copies of each document. Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way into a great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before GGGrandfather disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on Scotlandspeople. Michael On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Michael, > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon library > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then he > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the church > records taken > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > record > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > missing a > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > shame > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as you > said, > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > Janet > >

Janet I also had a relative that was listed in the OPRs on the IGI in the mid 1990s and disappeared in the newer records after 2000. I found him on Scotlandspeople in 2004/5, but I heard that people are regularly pulled out of the IGI records for many reasons including requests by the submitter or his family. I Have no idea of the truth of that and wish some knowledgeable person would straighten it out for me. The IGI is still one of the best places to start. Michael On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > I first wish to commend the person or persons who have made all the IGI > Batch > numbers available on the internet. They have done a wonderful job in > helping > all of us find our ancestors. > > I am having a problem accessing my grandfather on the Refrew, Paisley > site. > I found him some time ago in the OPR listings, in fact found him > twice. Once > for the birth and again for the confirmation. While searching for other > relatives in Paisley recently I noticed that my grandfather is no longer > listed. > Has his record somehow fallen through the cracks and is now lost to future > researchers? > > Janet > >

I first wish to commend the person or persons who have made all the IGI Batch numbers available on the internet. They have done a wonderful job in helping all of us find our ancestors. I am having a problem accessing my grandfather on the Refrew, Paisley site. I found him some time ago in the OPR listings, in fact found him twice. Once for the birth and again for the confirmation. While searching for other relatives in Paisley recently I noticed that my grandfather is no longer listed. Has his record somehow fallen through the cracks and is now lost to future researchers? Janet

Hi George, I can't help you but I was wondering if any of your Paisley Campbells moved to South Africa. I have a Margaret Campbell married to William Alexander Taylor who left Paisley in the 1889's for South Africa. Margaret was born in May 1840. I don't know the names of her parents. Ruth , Naples, Florida -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 8:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Meaning of OPR wording..PAISLEY OPR'S WHERE DOES ONE FIND THE WEB PAGE FOR PAISLEY OPR'S THAT CITE INDIVIDUAL BMD'S?....THE PAISLEY OPR THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THE WEB IS A LONG DISERTATION OF HISTORICAL,GEOGRAPHICAL,POLITICAL,NARRITIVES,ETC(_http://stat-acc-scot.edina .ac. uk/sas/images/pages/450wide/2nd_Account-GIFfiles/StAS.2.7)...IF_ (http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/images/pages/450wide/2nd_Account-GIFfi les/StAS.2.7).. .IF) SKS KNOWS WILL THEY LET A PAISLEY BUDDY KNOW?THANKS GEORGE CAMPBELL...STUART,FL

Hi Susan and Liz You may be interested in the following available from Archive CD Books Kilbarchan - A Parish History(Reference #0022) by Rev. Robert D. MacKenzie, B.D. 1902. The complete history of Kilbarchan, a parish in the county of Renfrewshire, Scotland. Scanned from the original book of 1902, complete with a comprehensive name and place index, and including many photographs, illustrations and maps, together with the 1695 Poll Tax Roll, extracts from the parish registers, information about schools, the poor.... life throughout the centuries - an immense amount of information in over 350 pages. http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/ Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) List owner for OVINGTON and HAYLOCK lists > Liz, I do not have any connection to this family but am very interested > in the Kilbarchan area. I have HASTIE and HOUSTON relatives who left > Kilbarchan/Linwood in the late 1830's to 1840's and they seem to have > evaded the 1841 Census. So I am interested in knowing how I might get "a > page of the OPR for 1818 for Kilbarchan" Thank you, Susan

Liz Graydon wrote: >I have a photocopy of a page (89) of the OPR for 1818 for Kilbarchan. On >there is my g g grandfather and g g grandmother > >Robert JACKSON and Isabella CRAWFORD both in this Parish were booked for >proclamation in order to marriage August 15th > >Is this the banns or is it the actual marriage as I am not sure of the >terminology. > >Also if anyone has any links with this family I would be interested to make >contact with them > >Thank you > >Liz > > > Hello Liz, The entry in the OPR usually (at least, in my experience) refers to the date the banns were proclaimed. Sometimes the OPR will also note the actual date of marriage, but I've very rarely seen this. Regards, Robert Struthers

WHERE DOES ONE FIND THE WEB PAGE FOR PAISLEY OPR'S THAT CITE INDIVIDUAL BMD'S?....THE PAISLEY OPR THAT I HAVE FOUND ON THE WEB IS A LONG DISERTATION OF HISTORICAL,GEOGRAPHICAL,POLITICAL,NARRITIVES,ETC(_http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac. uk/sas/images/pages/450wide/2nd_Account-GIFfiles/StAS.2.7)...IF_ (http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/images/pages/450wide/2nd_Account-GIFfiles/StAS.2.7).. .IF) SKS KNOWS WILL THEY LET A PAISLEY BUDDY KNOW?THANKS GEORGE CAMPBELL...STUART,FL

Liz, I do not have any connection to this family but am very interested in the Kilbarchan area. I have HASTIE and HOUSTON relatives who left Kilbarchan/Linwood in the late 1830's to 1840's and they seem to have evaded the 1841 Census. So I am interested in knowing how I might get "a page of the OPR for 1818 for Kilbarchan" Thank you, Susan On 6-May-06, at 3:47 PM, Liz Graydon wrote: > I have a photocopy of a page (89) of the OPR for 1818 for > Kilbarchan. On > there is my g g grandfather and g g grandmother > > Robert JACKSON and Isabella CRAWFORD both in this Parish were > booked for > proclamation in order to marriage August 15th > > Is this the banns or is it the actual marriage as I am not sure of the > terminology. > > Also if anyone has any links with this family I would be interested > to make > contact with them > > Thank you > > Liz > >

On the IGI batch 7406312 sheet 99 are the following: Isabella Crauford who married Robert Jackson Lillias Crauford who married William Buchanan Agnes Crauford who married John Pinkerton I am interested in Isabella - one of her daughters is called Agnes and so am wondering if Lillias and Agnes might be sisters of Isabella. If anyone is rearching these people I would like to hear from them Thank you Liz

I have a photocopy of a page (89) of the OPR for 1818 for Kilbarchan. On there is my g g grandfather and g g grandmother Robert JACKSON and Isabella CRAWFORD both in this Parish were booked for proclamation in order to marriage August 15th Is this the banns or is it the actual marriage as I am not sure of the terminology. Also if anyone has any links with this family I would be interested to make contact with them Thank you Liz

Not my website, found googling for someone immigrants to Australia, with thanks to all who have contributed:- Australia's Immigration Wall of Honour http://www.rootsweb.com/~qldhbfha/ImmigrationWallOfHonour.htm Jenelle.

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Here is your Ann born Isobel Ann Wallace 25 Feb 1813 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland from the www.familysearch.org And siblings. Parents Alexander Wallace and Janet Ritchie Hope this helps Kristina [refine search][NL]Prepare selected records for download Top of Form International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 10 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. MARY WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 02 MAY 1803 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 2. CHARLOTTE WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 16 JAN 1815 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 3. JANET WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 16 APR 1804 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 4. HELEN WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 31 AUG 1807 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 5. ELIZABETH WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 28 OCT 1801 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 6. AGNES WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 05 FEB 1809 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 7. ISOBEL ANN WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 25 FEB 1813 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 8. CHRISTIAN WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 13 SEP 1805 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 9. JAMES WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Male Christening: 16 OCT 1800 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland 10. JANE WALLACE - International Genealogical Index [NL]Gender: Female Christening: 14 APR 1811 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland Bottom of Form -----Original Message----- From: Paul Francis [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2006 8:57 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [Renfrew] Alexander Wallace wed to Janet Ritchie, Cluny, 1798 Hello, In tracing back my roots, my maternal Grandmother Janet Wilson immigrated to US in 1891 with her mother, Mary Black Wilson . MAry was the daughter, of Lucy (Ann) Wallace Black, who married John Black, (of Guernsey), in the Parish of Barony, 03 Jul 1842. Ann Wallace was the daughter of Alex. Walace and Janet Ritchie, who wed 9th Dec, 1798 in Cluny. Any similarities ? I imagine Ann born Isobel (Ann) (Lucy) 25th Feb, 1813 b. Parish of Cluny, had older and younger siblings. I trace the earlier marriage of Alex. Wallace to Janet Ritchie in Cluny on 9th Dec, 1798 Regards and thank You, Paul Francis, USA