Much appreciated Frank. Big brick walls with my family. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank McGonigal" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [Renfrew] OPRs > Hi > I've E Mailed the LDS for clarification on the question of previous OPR > entries being missing from the present IGI. > My Mormon volunteer partner at our local FHC once told me that some > overzealous members in the early days,were Baptising,Sealing etc,many of the > people who weren't related. > > I also heard ( haven't seen it myself) that they were Baptising etc. Jews > killed in the Holocaust,until it was stopped. > > Many other records may have been removed that were put in at that time. > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > > >

Frank That was 455755 Sealing sheets for the dead, couples and children (includes some living spouses and children), 1944-1970; heir index, 1944-1957<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/filmhitlistframe.asp?display=filmhitlist&filmno=455755&first=undefined&last=undefined#> Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Alberta Temple - in the last section of the notes it says: No circulation to family history centers. Access to these records requires patron show proof that they may include his/her own lineage. Must show temple recommend or bishop's letter to use material. Photocopying not allowed. How do I get a temple recommend or bishop's letter. Sure makes things difficult, but even if we could get around this, as I said the film doesn't do more than tell us who was being investigated. nothing on why or how they connect. Actually I'm looking for his tree. I'm fairly sure he's connected to me though disantly. I just don't know where to look and I am fairly sure that that might be blocked too. Michael On 5/9/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Michael > What was the number of that film ?,I'd like to see the listing and use it > as > an example to make an enquiry. > "Not for distribution to FHCs" is quite commonly used for films etc.that > although you can view at the Salt Lake Library,they won't be available to > order at your local FHC. > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. > ~~~~~~~ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > > > > Frank > > I'm not sure how I was able to order that film. I looked it up last > night > > and it says "not for distribution " either that wasn't there the year I > > ordered it or somebody slipped up. In any case as I said there was much > > tempting information that only led to much frustration when I found out > > the > > rest was blocked. If what you say is true I need to cultivate some > Mormon > > friends. :o) > > Michael > > > > >

Further to my email below, I just googled Sealings of the Dead, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and only got 19 hits, (there's a quick facts Mormom sheet), and I've just realised too, think I've not been answered asking what Sealings was. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: [Renfrew] SEALINGS ON LDS SITE > Found what I was looking for, its the same as the LDS site. > > Alot of My Aitken are in the Sealings, so this if what I found, you probably > will already have it:- > > I searched Charlotte Cropley, birth about 1784, Glasgow, hit enter. Up > comes the entry, I went down to the bottom of the page see Heading Source > Information, it gives a file number, I clicked on that, up comes the fice > number, writing is in blue, Sealings for the dead, dates, etc. > I clicked on blue writing for full explaination, one of the things > mentioned, well for my Aitken, no circulation to family history centres, > evidence of descendency, etc. This is what I printed out to take with me > to ask "What does that Mean" I think I also emailed the help bit on the > family search site. > > But I did try the following, up the top, after you've clicked on search and > your in the page where you put parents details (if you have a group) or just > one and the child's name, you will see a heading called SHARE, it has > library and collaboration email, (you have to register for collaboration > email). There's a step by step guide to register and how to put details on. > > Also there is a family history library catalogue, I just clicked on that, > you can search by surname or area and I typed in Aitken and hit search, > Titles came up, I wonder if you order them are they shared worldwide or can > you only see them in Utah? > > I've also picked up bits and pieces on them through the National Archives of > Scotland, public records on line, I clicked on that recently. > > I don't think this helps anyone, but that's what I've got. > Jenelle > [email protected] > >

Michael What was the number of that film ?,I'd like to see the listing and use it as an example to make an enquiry. "Not for distribution to FHCs" is quite commonly used for films etc.that although you can view at the Salt Lake Library,they won't be available to order at your local FHC. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > Frank > I'm not sure how I was able to order that film. I looked it up last night > and it says "not for distribution " either that wasn't there the year I > ordered it or somebody slipped up. In any case as I said there was much > tempting information that only led to much frustration when I found out > the > rest was blocked. If what you say is true I need to cultivate some Mormon > friends. :o) > Michael >

Found what I was looking for, its the same as the LDS site. Alot of My Aitken are in the Sealings, so this if what I found, you probably will already have it:- I searched Charlotte Cropley, birth about 1784, Glasgow, hit enter. Up comes the entry, I went down to the bottom of the page see Heading Source Information, it gives a file number, I clicked on that, up comes the fice number, writing is in blue, Sealings for the dead, dates, etc. I clicked on blue writing for full explaination, one of the things mentioned, well for my Aitken, no circulation to family history centres, evidence of descendency, etc. This is what I printed out to take with me to ask "What does that Mean" I think I also emailed the help bit on the family search site. But I did try the following, up the top, after you've clicked on search and your in the page where you put parents details (if you have a group) or just one and the child's name, you will see a heading called SHARE, it has library and collaboration email, (you have to register for collaboration email). There's a step by step guide to register and how to put details on. Also there is a family history library catalogue, I just clicked on that, you can search by surname or area and I typed in Aitken and hit search, Titles came up, I wonder if you order them are they shared worldwide or can you only see them in Utah? I've also picked up bits and pieces on them through the National Archives of Scotland, public records on line, I clicked on that recently. I don't think this helps anyone, but that's what I've got. Jenelle [email protected]

Janet I've never had the need to order a 'Sealings' film,but I'll check it out. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada ~~~~~~~~ > Frank, > > Could I order a film of a sealing if a member of my family is part of that > sealing? > I found my ancestors on a film that was a sealing, in fact, I found them > on > sealings in several locations. > > Janet

Hi Michael I'll try to find out some answers to your questions. Recently I heard that Mormons have a Member number which allows them to access certain records which are not available to non Mormons,I didn't pay much attention to the discussion at the time,but I'll check it out. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > Frank > If you were reading this thread you know what I ran into with a > possibly > "overzealous member". > Didn't they have to submit some sort of tree that they at least thought > was > right? > Was no one ever suppose to see this tree again? > Why would they be hidden? Or is there a way for someone who can prove he's > related to someone on that tree to see it? > Would you check into these questions too. A big PLEASE and kiss too if > absolutely neccessary ;o) > Michael >

Frank I'm not sure how I was able to order that film. I looked it up last night and it says "not for distribution " either that wasn't there the year I ordered it or somebody slipped up. In any case as I said there was much tempting information that only led to much frustration when I found out the rest was blocked. If what you say is true I need to cultivate some Mormon friends. :o) Michael On 5/9/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Janet > I've never had the need to order a 'Sealings' film,but I'll check it out. > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > ~~~~~~~~ > > Frank, > > > > Could I order a film of a sealing if a member of my family is part of > that > > sealing? > > I found my ancestors on a film that was a sealing, in fact, I found them > > on > > sealings in several locations. > > > > Janet > > >

Michael, I wouldn't mind paying for the films in the hope that they may at least give me a clue where to look next. I was under the impression that the films with the sealings could not be ordered. Janet In a message dated 5/8/2006 10:22:39 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Janet I did that once (ordered a film of sealings). It told me the names of some of the people he was investigating (some were on other films), who sealed it and the year, and what church he was at, but nothing to connect them all up. Michael On 5/8/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > In a message dated 5/8/2006 9:28:54 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Hi > I've E Mailed the LDS for clarification on the question of previous OPR > entries being missing from the present IGI. > My Mormon volunteer partner at our local FHC once told me that some > overzealous members in the early days,were Baptising,Sealing etc,many of > the > people who weren't related. > > I also heard ( haven't seen it myself) that they were Baptising etc. Jews > killed in the Holocaust,until it was stopped. > > Many other records may have been removed that were put in at that time. > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > Frank, > > Could I order a film of a sealing if a member of my family is part of that > sealing? > I found my ancestors on a film that was a sealing, in fact, I found them > on > sealings in several locations. > > Janet > >

In a message dated 5/8/2006 9:28:54 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi I've E Mailed the LDS for clarification on the question of previous OPR entries being missing from the present IGI. My Mormon volunteer partner at our local FHC once told me that some overzealous members in the early days,were Baptising,Sealing etc,many of the people who weren't related. I also heard ( haven't seen it myself) that they were Baptising etc. Jews killed in the Holocaust,until it was stopped. Many other records may have been removed that were put in at that time. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada Frank, Could I order a film of a sealing if a member of my family is part of that sealing? I found my ancestors on a film that was a sealing, in fact, I found them on sealings in several locations. Janet

Hi I've E Mailed the LDS for clarification on the question of previous OPR entries being missing from the present IGI. My Mormon volunteer partner at our local FHC once told me that some overzealous members in the early days,were Baptising,Sealing etc,many of the people who weren't related. I also heard ( haven't seen it myself) that they were Baptising etc. Jews killed in the Holocaust,until it was stopped. Many other records may have been removed that were put in at that time. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada

Janet I did that once (ordered a film of sealings). It told me the names of some of the people he was investigating (some were on other films), who sealed it and the year, and what church he was at, but nothing to connect them all up. Michael On 5/8/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > In a message dated 5/8/2006 9:28:54 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Hi > I've E Mailed the LDS for clarification on the question of previous OPR > entries being missing from the present IGI. > My Mormon volunteer partner at our local FHC once told me that some > overzealous members in the early days,were Baptising,Sealing etc,many of > the > people who weren't related. > > I also heard ( haven't seen it myself) that they were Baptising etc. Jews > killed in the Holocaust,until it was stopped. > > Many other records may have been removed that were put in at that time. > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > Frank, > > Could I order a film of a sealing if a member of my family is part of that > sealing? > I found my ancestors on a film that was a sealing, in fact, I found them > on > sealings in several locations. > > Janet > >

Frank If you were reading this thread you know what I ran into with a possibly "overzealous member". Didn't they have to submit some sort of tree that they at least thought was right? Was no one ever suppose to see this tree again? Why would they be hidden? Or is there a way for someone who can prove he's related to someone on that tree to see it? Would you check into these questions too. A big PLEASE and kiss too if absolutely neccessary ;o) Michael On 5/8/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi > I've E Mailed the LDS for clarification on the question of previous OPR > entries being missing from the present IGI. > My Mormon volunteer partner at our local FHC once told me that some > overzealous members in the early days,were Baptising,Sealing etc,many of the > people who weren't related. > > I also heard ( haven't seen it myself) that they were Baptising etc. Jews > killed in the Holocaust,until it was stopped. > > Many other records may have been removed that were put in at that time. > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > > >

Janet, there was a posting to one list I'm on recently that said the OPRs have been removed from the IGI now that they're available on Scotlands People! I think you'd still be able to find him on the fiche at the LDS centre. Regards, Jeanette. > > I am having a problem accessing my grandfather on the Refrew, Paisley > site. > I found him some time ago in the OPR listings, in fact found him twice. > Once > for the birth and again for the confirmation. While searching for other > relatives in Paisley recently I noticed that my grandfather is no longer > listed. > Has his record somehow fallen through the cracks and is now lost to future > researchers? > > Janet > >

I can't say definitively because I did not get it myself, it was passed on to me. I believe it came from the Paisley Library/Museum - they have a geat number of films and are very helpful so I am told. Liz -----Original Message----- From: Susan Enns [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 May 2006 13:10 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Meaning of OPR wording Liz, I do not have any connection to this family but am very interested in the Kilbarchan area. I have HASTIE and HOUSTON relatives who left Kilbarchan/Linwood in the late 1830's to 1840's and they seem to have evaded the 1841 Census. So I am interested in knowing how I might get "a page of the OPR for 1818 for Kilbarchan" Thank you, Susan On 6-May-06, at 3:47 PM, Liz Graydon wrote: > I have a photocopy of a page (89) of the OPR for 1818 for > Kilbarchan. On > there is my g g grandfather and g g grandmother > > Robert JACKSON and Isabella CRAWFORD both in this Parish were > booked for > proclamation in order to marriage August 15th > > Is this the banns or is it the actual marriage as I am not sure of the > terminology. > > Also if anyone has any links with this family I would be interested > to make > contact with them > > Thank you > > Liz > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006

Yes! me too please Janelle. -----Original Message----- From: michael paton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 8 May 2006 5:15 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's Janelle YES! Please dig. I would truely like to know and understand what and why. Thankyou for the offer Michael On 5/8/06, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine > re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like > mine) > "missing relatives and why they were sealed. > Jenelle. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > Janet > > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list > as > > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to > Utah > > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also > I > > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or > 40 > > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what > he > > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have > been > > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a > shame > > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information > locked > > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so > all > > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt > > because I sent them copies of each document. > > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way > into > a > > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may > > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the > > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before > GGGrandfather > > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > > Scotlandspeople. > > Michael > > > > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Michael, > > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon > library > > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then > he > > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the > church > > > records taken > > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > > > record > > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > > > missing a > > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > > shame > > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as > you > > > said, > > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > >

Thanks anyhow for responding. I know there are lots of Scottish Taylor families so I'm not too surprised. Good luck to you also in your research! Ruth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Meaning of OPR wording..PAISLEY OPR'S DEAR RUTH...NO RELATION THAT I AM AWARE OF...ALL MY PAISLEY CAMPBELL'S WERE GONE FROM PAISLEY BY 1860...MY GRANDFATHER SAMUEL,(1829-1914 LEFT TO GO TO NYC IN 1858...HIS ONE BROTHER,JAMES WAS A STEWRD ON THE ANCHOR LINE&DIED IN GLASGOW ABOUT 1903...HIS OTHER BROTHER,WILLIAM ALSO CAME TO NYC AS AN ENGINEER...HE DIED 1912...HE HAD AN AUNT (1820-1884),MARGARET,MARRIED PETER ROBERTSON...THEY LIVED IN GOVAN...SHE DIED IN 1884 MY GRANDFATHER HAD SEVERAL SISTERS ALL DIED YOUNG IN THE 1830'S& 40"S...SORRY I CUD NOT HELP...GUD LUCK IN UR RESEARCH... GEORGE CAMPBELL...STUART,FL

looking now. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristina Cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > Yes! me too please Janelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael paton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 8 May 2006 5:15 p.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > Janelle > YES! Please dig. I would truely like to know and understand what and why. > Thankyou for the offer > Michael > > > On 5/8/06, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine > > re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like > > mine) > > "missing relatives and why they were sealed. > > Jenelle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > > > > Janet > > > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list > > as > > > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to > > Utah > > > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also > > I > > > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or > > 40 > > > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what > > he > > > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have > > been > > > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a > > shame > > > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information > > locked > > > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so > > all > > > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt > > > because I sent them copies of each document. > > > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way > > into > > a > > > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may > > > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the > > > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before > > GGGrandfather > > > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > > > Scotlandspeople. > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon > > library > > > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then > > he > > > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the > > church > > > > records taken > > > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > > > > record > > > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > > > > missing a > > > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > > > shame > > > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as > > you > > > > said, > > > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Michael and Kristina, looking now, its on my sofa bed in an organised mess. Can email me off list at [email protected] Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > Janelle > YES! Please dig. I would truely like to know and understand what and why. > Thankyou for the offer > Michael > > > On 5/8/06, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine > > re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like > > mine) > > "missing relatives and why they were sealed. > > Jenelle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > > > > Janet > > > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they list > > as > > > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to > > Utah > > > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also > > I > > > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or > > 40 > > > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what > > he > > > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have > > been > > > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a > > shame > > > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information > > locked > > > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins so > > all > > > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt > > > because I sent them copies of each document. > > > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way > > into > > a > > > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I may > > > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was the > > > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before > > GGGrandfather > > > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > > > Scotlandspeople. > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon > > library > > > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then > > he > > > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the > > church > > > > records taken > > > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth > > > > record > > > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are > > > > missing a > > > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > > > shame > > > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as > > you > > > > said, > > > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Jenelle, I too would be interested in the LDS sealings information. Athalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristina Cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > Yes! me too please Janelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael paton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 8 May 2006 5:15 p.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > Janelle > YES! Please dig. I would truely like to know and understand what and why. > Thankyou for the offer > Michael > > > On 5/8/06, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history >> magazine >> re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain (like >> mine) >> "missing relatives and why they were sealed. >> Jenelle. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's >> >> >> > Janet >> > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that they >> > list >> as >> > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a trip to >> Utah >> > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also >> I >> > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by 30 or >> 40 >> > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what >> he >> > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family have >> been >> > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it is a >> shame >> > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information >> locked >> > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the cousins >> > so >> all >> > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily rebuilt >> > because I sent them copies of each document. >> > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my way >> into >> a >> > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things I >> > may >> > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that was >> > the >> > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before >> GGGrandfather >> > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on >> > Scotlandspeople. >> > Michael >> > >> > >> > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > Michael, >> > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a Mormon >> library >> > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then >> he >> > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the >> church >> > > records taken >> > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his birth >> > > record >> > > after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many other people are >> > > missing a >> > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such >> > > a >> > > shame >> > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records and as >> you >> > > said, >> > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. >> > > >> > > Janet >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > >