Would someone who has access to a 1861 Census for Houston & Kilellan parishes be able to look up several of my relatives. I am researching my gg father John AITON who was born in Houston on 10 July 1860, parents Andrew AITON & Catherine MCNAIR. Any info on Aiton or McNair appreciated. -- Regards, Stephen Aiton __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

I am researching my gg father John Aiton who was born in Houston (near Paisley, Sct) on 10 July 1860, parents Andrew Aiton & Catherine McNair. He emigrated to Australia in the 1890s. There does not seem to be any record of his birth between 1855 - 1865. Any info on Aiton or McNair appreciated. -- Regards, Stephen Aiton __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Hello Christopher. I went to Familysearch.org and the IGI has a christening for Mary on 25 Jan. 1741 with the parents Jno. Allason & Barbara Brounlee. There are no birth dates here. The Batch # 7015413, sheet 77, source #0538440 film. There is also another Batch # M119464, sheet 00, source #0102924, 0910484 and 6902528.I clicked on the Batch # and there are many marriages . You might recognize some if you go to M119464. There is still the old style IGI on one computer at the Family History Center. On that one I found another child of Jno. Allason and Barbara Brounlee- (John) Jno. Allason, chr 17 July 1743, Glasgow, Lanark. This time the mother's name is spelled Brounlie. The Batch # for this is C119447, source 102911, 990751. Mary & Alex. had 3 children. all b in West Greenock, Renfrew. This is how there are listed: Wm. chr 25 May 1767, Alexr. b 25 Aug 1768, Jas. b 16 Feb 1771. I tried to find a date for (John) Jno. and came up with John Allason chr 24 Dec 1722 Paisley, Abbey(Paisley), Renfew, father Rot. This one I felt was closer: John Allason chr 27 Nov 1726, Caltoun, Barony, Lanark with the parents as John and Isabell Davidson. Lots of Allasons came from England, but I didn't pursue them. If you have more questions or need further instructions, contact me offline [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) . Gail

Hi Janet Copied from OPR Fiche and CD. Robert Cuthbertson Strachan Christened Nov.21 1852 Paisley Low Church. Batch c111624 FR # 1109. ~~~~~~~ Robert Gilbertson Strachan b. oct 7 1852 Batch C1119593, FRCH2 noted ..CROSSED OUT... ?? I think what you suspected is right,they changed their minds or an error was made in the naming. I believe they are both the same person. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > In a message dated 5/8/2006 9:28:54 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Hi > I've E Mailed the LDS for clarification on the question of previous OPR > entries being missing from the present IGI. > My Mormon volunteer partner at our local FHC once told me that some > overzealous members in the early days,were Baptising,Sealing etc,many of > the > people who weren't related. > > I also heard ( haven't seen it myself) that they were Baptising etc. Jews > killed in the Holocaust,until it was stopped. > > Many other records may have been removed that were put in at that time. > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > Frank, > > Could I order a film of a sealing if a member of my family is part of that > sealing? > I found my ancestors on a film that was a sealing, in fact, I found them > on > sealings in several locations. > > Janet

Hi Michael Checked the Scottish Church Records CD and your John Patton is on there. Also checked the OPR fiche,he is on there too. Only found the Christening .......Jan 31 1817 Glasgow,FR 2374,Batch C 119742. So if you still want to have him restored to the IGI,I would contact them with this info. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > Frank > That was 455755 Sealing sheets for the dead, couples and children > (includes some living spouses and children), 1944-1970; heir index, > 1944-1957<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/filmhitlistframe.asp?display=filmhitlist&filmno=455755&first=undefined&last=undefined#> > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Alberta Temple > - in the last section of the notes it says: > > No circulation to family history centers. Access to these records requires > patron show proof that they may include his/her own lineage. Must show > temple recommend or bishop's letter to use material. Photocopying not > allowed. > > How do I get a temple recommend or bishop's letter. > Sure makes things difficult, but even if we could get around this, as I > said the film doesn't do more than tell us who was being investigated. > nothing on why or how they connect. > Actually I'm looking for his tree. I'm fairly sure he's connected to me > though disantly. I just don't know where to look and I am fairly sure that > that might be blocked too. > Michael > > > > > On 5/9/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Michael >> What was the number of that film ?,I'd like to see the listing and use it >> as >> an example to make an enquiry. >> "Not for distribution to FHCs" is quite commonly used for films etc.that >> although you can view at the Salt Lake Library,they won't be available to >> order at your local FHC. >> >> Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. >> ~~~~~~~ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs >> >> >> > Frank >> > I'm not sure how I was able to order that film. I looked it up last >> night >> > and it says "not for distribution " either that wasn't there the year I >> > ordered it or somebody slipped up. In any case as I said there was much >> > tempting information that only led to much frustration when I found out >> > the >> > rest was blocked. If what you say is true I need to cultivate some >> Mormon >> > friends. :o) >> > Michael >> > >> >> >>

Hi Gail, I don't know about the variation Allison, I am only going by the records as I have come across them and having not come across our spelling before, all I felt I could do was accept it. If you can find anything different regarding the same marriage please let me know Best wishes Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: SCT-RENFREW-D Digest V06 #115

Dear Listers, I am new to this list and am looking for anyone on the list who may have a connection to my great-great uncle, JAMES MCINTYRE b: 1830 in Kilchoman Parish, Islay, Argyll. James' parents were DONALD MACINTYRE, shepherd and MARY MCEWEN of Kilchoman, Islay. In 1860, James married ISABELLA MCCALL b: abt 1828 Glenorchy, Argll in Milton District, Burgh of Glasgow. Isabella's parents were JOHN MCCALL, gardner and ANN SINCLAIR. James and Isabella were living at 14 Charlotte St., Port Dundow, Glasgow at the time of their marriage and James was a carter. On the 1861 census, James and Isabella were living at 24 Canal St, Barony Parish and James was a coal carter. In 1863, they have their only child, son, NEIL MCINTYRE in the District of Milton, Glasgow, Renfrew. On the 1871 census, they were living at 38 Society Rd, Maryhill Parish, St. Georges in the Fields, Glasgow and James was now a carter foreman. On the 1881, James, Isabella and Neil, now 17, are living at Cotters House, Bardrain Farm, Kilmalcolm, Renfrew where James is a ploughman and son, Neil is a farm servant. This family disappears after 1881 so there is a good possibility they may have immigrated outside Scotland as they seemed to stay in the Milton District area for over 20 years. I would appreciate any further information anyone might have on this MCINTYRE family or any history on Bardrain Farm. Sincerely, Pam (Mack) Nixon Westland, Pennsylvania USA [email protected] --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > Aye, the LDS cd is the one. As I explore further I find a couple of > marriages in this same family missing. I haven't checked other branches. > > On 5/13/06, chicoyne <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Are you referring to the LDS cd? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > > > > > > > Frank > > > Stranger still, I recently purchased the new British Isles vital > > records > > > CD and Helen b1819 and Janet b1821 are missing, but John b1817 is there, > > > although he is not on the IGI online and they are??? Its possible I'm > > not > > > skilled enough with the CD, but I don't think so. > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > On 5/10/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > It's strange that only John is missing,all the other children are > > > > there,George,Margaret,Mary,Eliz.,James Janet and Helen. > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Are you referring to the LDS cd? ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > Frank > Stranger still, I recently purchased the new British Isles vital records > CD and Helen b1819 and Janet b1821 are missing, but John b1817 is there, > although he is not on the IGI online and they are??? Its possible I'm not > skilled enough with the CD, but I don't think so. > Michael > > > On 5/10/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Michael > > It's strange that only John is missing,all the other children are > > there,George,Margaret,Mary,Eliz.,James Janet and Helen. > > Frank > > > >

Aye, the LDS cd is the one. As I explore further I find a couple of marriages in this same family missing. I haven't checked other branches. On 5/13/06, chicoyne <[email protected]> wrote: > > Are you referring to the LDS cd? ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > > > > Frank > > Stranger still, I recently purchased the new British Isles vital > records > > CD and Helen b1819 and Janet b1821 are missing, but John b1817 is there, > > although he is not on the IGI online and they are??? Its possible I'm > not > > skilled enough with the CD, but I don't think so. > > Michael > > > > > > On 5/10/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Michael > > > It's strange that only John is missing,all the other children are > > > there,George,Margaret,Mary,Eliz.,James Janet and Helen. > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > >

Christopher, I too have an ancestor married to an Mary ALLISON. Have you tried this spelling at all? We also have an Allison in our Gen. Soc. Please let me know if you want to explore this more. Gail

Hi Folks I have managed to trace my family back as far as 1767 in Ayrshire, then to confuse the matter even more, the scene suddenly switches in 1762 to Renfrewshire, when Alexander Knox moved to Dailly after marrying Mary Allason in Glasgow, Lanark. Then even after checking Scotland's People etc, I hit my Brick Wall. I wonder if anyone here has any further knowledge of his parents, siblings, place and date of birth etc. Perhaps there are other descendants of his siblings, who would like to have a chat with me, or someone else who could help me fill in some further information ? Alexander Knox m Mary Allason 1762 Marriage - 14 Nov Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland From here on in is fine. Best wishes Christopher Knox Sydney

Thanks for this Nivard, I did borrow the book through the library system once - can't remember from where it came - but a long way away Liz -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 May 2006 13:16 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Meaning of OPR wording Hi Susan and Liz You may be interested in the following available from Archive CD Books Kilbarchan - A Parish History(Reference #0022) by Rev. Robert D. MacKenzie, B.D. 1902. The complete history of Kilbarchan, a parish in the county of Renfrewshire, Scotland. Scanned from the original book of 1902, complete with a comprehensive name and place index, and including many photographs, illustrations and maps, together with the 1695 Poll Tax Roll, extracts from the parish registers, information about schools, the poor.... life throughout the centuries - an immense amount of information in over 350 pages. http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/ Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) List owner for OVINGTON and HAYLOCK lists > Liz, I do not have any connection to this family but am very interested > in the Kilbarchan area. I have HASTIE and HOUSTON relatives who left > Kilbarchan/Linwood in the late 1830's to 1840's and they seem to have > evaded the 1841 Census. So I am interested in knowing how I might get "a > page of the OPR for 1818 for Kilbarchan" Thank you, Susan -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 05/05/2006

Frank Stranger still, I recently purchased the new British Isles vital records CD and Helen b1819 and Janet b1821 are missing, but John b1817 is there, although he is not on the IGI online and they are??? Its possible I'm not skilled enough with the CD, but I don't think so. Michael On 5/10/06, Frank McGonigal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Michael > It's strange that only John is missing,all the other children are > there,George,Margaret,Mary,Eliz.,James Janet and Helen. > Frank >

Michael It's strange that only John is missing,all the other children are there,George,Margaret,Mary,Eliz.,James Janet and Helen. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] OPRs > Thankyou Frank > > My main man missing from the OPRs was John Patton b1817 in Glasgow to > Samuel Paton and Mary Clarkson. John moved to Paisley about 1838. Luckily > I > ran a hard copy in the 1990s so I was able to convince the cousins of what > I > saw and we picked that family to research scotlandspeople later proved us > right. Samuel was in the list of people in the Sealings. John might have > been too, but I didn't check all the films that had Patons. > Believe it or not the explanations do help. It's too bad I wasn't > better at following up my leads in the early days. Perhaps they were more > open then, but you have given me avenues to look down and Questions to > ask. > I'll be checking the FHL next month when I can get there. > Thanks again Frank > Luck to you Michael

Thankyou Frank My main man missing from the OPRs was John Patton b1817 in Glasgow to Samuel Paton and Mary Clarkson. John moved to Paisley about 1838. Luckily I ran a hard copy in the 1990s so I was able to convince the cousins of what I saw and we picked that family to research scotlandspeople later proved us right. Samuel was in the list of people in the Sealings. John might have been too, but I didn't check all the films that had Patons. Believe it or not the explanations do help. It's too bad I wasn't better at following up my leads in the early days. Perhaps they were more open then, but you have given me avenues to look down and Questions to ask. I'll be checking the FHL next month when I can get there. Thanks again Frank Luck to you Michael

Hi First of all,this is the answer from Salt Lake. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Frank, Thank you for your e-mail. Could you send some of the names missing from the Scottish OPR so that we can try to locate them and determine why they are not present. Family History Support [email protected] KJS ~~~~~~~~~~~ So if you could send me some instances I'll forward them, OR... forward them yourself. ~~~~~~~ Next..,we have a full set of I.G.I. Fiche at our FHC,which date from 1992,so if there are missing OPRs in the present I.G.I. they should still be in these Fiche. Check with your local FHC. ~~~~~~~~~~ We also have the OPR index on CD ROM,which SHOULD include the ones that WERE in the I.G.I, we have the OPRs on fiche as well. The reason I say 'SHOULD' is that I have found entries of my DEWAR ancestors on the CD ROM,that are not in the IGI ! All FHCs were given a copy. ~~~~~~~~~~ From what my Mormon partner tells me,the Sealings films USED to be available,but there were some problems and they stopped making the films available to FHCs. ~~~~~~~~~ For Michael Paton....Temple Recommend is a card which allows only Mormon members access to the Temple,and also allows them access to Sealings on line.( With their Mormon # and Password.) Bishops Letter I understand,is only granted to Mormons with a Temple Recommend card. Janet.....You wouldn't have permission to view the Sealings films,even if you thought that a relative was there,you'd need a Bishops Letter which is only available to members with a Temple Recommend card. BUT ........I understand that Sealings info was also included in the IGI because they had to submit a 4 generation family tree in accordance with Mormon rules. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It's all very confusing ,but if you have an FHC which has the old IGI fiche,it should include the info that's maybe missing from the present IGI. In conclusion I would guess that the SEALINGS aren't a great source for using in your research,much,if not all of names etc,were put in the IGI I was told,whether they're STILL there is the question that I don't think even Salt Lake can answer at the moment. The above is my understanding of the questions raised,and the answers given,I would gladly accept any corrections and additions etc.from more knowledgeable Listers. Good Luck Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada.

Hello: I am searching for John Husband who married Ann Robertson in Abbey (paisley) in 1819. I am looking for his parents and her parents also. I think her father was Thomas Robertson and her mother was Janet Orr based on the naming pattern used for their children. But I have no proof. Any information would be appreciated. Cheers, Bobbie

Eileen, I put an example on the list yesterday. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Waddell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > Hi Jenelle > Please copy me in too. I would love to know why these records are sealed. > Many thanks > Eileen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 08 May 2006 06:50 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > Michael and Kristina, looking now, its on my sofa bed in an organised mess. > Can email me off list at [email protected] Jenelle. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > Janelle > > YES! Please dig. I would truely like to know and understand what and > > why. Thankyou for the offer Michael > > > > > > On 5/8/06, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history > magazine > > > re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain > > > (like > > > mine) > > > "missing relatives and why they were sealed. > > > Jenelle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that > > > > they > list > > > as > > > > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a > > > > trip to > > > Utah > > > > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. > Also > > > I > > > > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by > > > > 30 > or > > > 40 > > > > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see > what > > > he > > > > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family > > > > have > > > been > > > > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it > > > > is a > > > shame > > > > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information > > > locked > > > > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the > > > > cousins > so > > > all > > > > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily > > > > rebuilt because I sent them copies of each document. > > > > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my > > > > way > > > into > > > a > > > > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things > > > > I > may > > > > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that > > > > was > the > > > > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before > > > GGGrandfather > > > > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > > > > Scotlandspeople. Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a > > > > > Mormon > > > library > > > > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, > then > > > he > > > > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the > > > church > > > > > records taken > > > > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his > > > > > birth record after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many > > > > > other people are missing a > > > > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such > a > > > > > shame > > > > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records > > > > > and as > > > you > > > > > said, > > > > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Jenelle Please copy me in too. I would love to know why these records are sealed. Many thanks Eileen -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 08 May 2006 06:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's Michael and Kristina, looking now, its on my sofa bed in an organised mess. Can email me off list at [email protected] Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > Janelle > YES! Please dig. I would truely like to know and understand what and > why. Thankyou for the offer Michael > > > On 5/8/06, Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I have an interesting article I photocopied from a family history magazine > > re the LDS "Sealings" I would have to dig for it. Might explain > > (like > > mine) > > "missing relatives and why they were sealed. > > Jenelle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "michael paton" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] missing OPR's > > > > > > > Janet > > > My pet peeves with them have been the occasional film that > > > they list > > as > > > having, but they won't send it to the churchs. You must plan a > > > trip to > > Utah > > > to see them. They must have many members on the tourist commision. Also > > I > > > keep bumping into a researcher who has been there ahead of me (by > > > 30 or > > 40 > > > years) and somehow locked the records of his search so I can't see what > > he > > > found or why he was looking there But many members of my family > > > have > > been > > > sealed? I guess attitudes have changed since the internet but it > > > is a > > shame > > > that a researcher goes to all that trouble to have the information > > locked > > > away from future generations. My information gets sent to the > > > cousins so > > all > > > have a copy and if my computer crashes the data can be easily > > > rebuilt because I sent them copies of each document. > > > Even with running into these problems I was able to blunder my > > > way > > into > > a > > > great deal of information on the IGI and check it often for things > > > I may > > > have missed. I usually get a hard copy of everything, since that > > > was the > > > only way I was able to prove what I saw in the 1990s before > > GGGrandfather > > > disappeared from the IGI. It also helped me find him later on > > > Scotlandspeople. Michael > > > > > > > > > On 5/7/06, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > I found my grandfather on the IGI fische in the 1980's at a > > > > Mormon > > library > > > > near where I lived then. I found him again on the internet igi, then > > he > > > > disappeared. His record both times was taken from a film of the > > church > > > > records taken > > > > by the LDS. Fortunately I wrote to Scotland years ago for his > > > > birth record after I found it on the OPR, but I wonder how many > > > > other people are missing a > > > > relative or ancestor because of the missing OPR records. Seems such a > > > > shame > > > > when the LDS does so much good in helping people find records > > > > and as > > you > > > > said, > > > > the IGI is still the best place to start looking. > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >