Hi Michelle I quote from the directions given to enumerators for the 1841 census Time may be saved by writing the following words, shortly thus, "M".for Manufacturer, "m" for Maker, as "Shoe m" for Shoemaker, "CL" for Clerk, "Ag lab" for Agricultural labourer, which may include all farming servants and labourers in husbandry. Use no other marks or abbreviations but those herein allowed. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) List owner for OVINGTON and HAYLOCK lists > > Also interested in Matthew Hutchison who in 1841 was living in Coburg Lane > Gorbals. He was given as 45 years of age but I suspect he was rounded > down from 48 (ie born 1793). Born outside Lanarkshire (suspect Paisley). > Occupation was Cl (what IS that?). If anyone can locate him in the census > indexes it would be much appreciated.

Hi Michelle The "C I" wouldn't be a "CL" by chance would it? as a CL is a cloth lapper- this person cleaned cotton fibres before sheets fed into the carding machine Donna Kiwi in Vancouver Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Behrens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: [Renfrew] 1851 0r 1861 census index glasgow Gemmill Hutchison > Hi All, > > Not strictly off topic - they were born in Paisley! Such a helpful list I > thought I might try here. > > I am hoping that someone might have a copy of the 1851 or 1861 indexes and > that they would be willing to lookup a couple of households for me. > > Ann MUNRO (m/s Gemmill) born 1818 Paisley, married John Munro in Gorbals, > Lanark in 1841. Only known child Mary Ann (Marion) Munro b1850 Gorbals. > > Margaret McKnight (m/s Gemmill, formerly Murray) born 1814 Paisley. > Married John Murray who died pre 1833 (unknown whether they had children) > and then John McKnight in 1848 in Gorbals. Had at least 3 children: Mary > Hutchison McKnight b1849 Gorbals, William Creighton McKnight b1852 Gorbals > and George Gemmill McKnight b1856 Tradeston. > > Also interested in Matthew Hutchison who in 1841 was living in Coburg Lane > Gorbals. He was given as 45 years of age but I suspect he was rounded > down from 48 (ie born 1793). Born outside Lanarkshire (suspect Paisley). > Occupation was Cl (what IS that?). If anyone can locate him in the census > indexes it would be much appreciated. > > Anyhelp at all would be greatfullyreceived. > > Michelle in Australia - go socceroos!!!! >

This is definitely off topic, but the Soceroo's won't have a chance against Brazil!!!! Sandy (Wagga Wagga) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Behrens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: [Renfrew] 1851 0r 1861 census index glasgow Gemmill Hutchison > Hi All, > > Not strictly off topic - they were born in Paisley! Such a helpful list I thought I might try here. > > I am hoping that someone might have a copy of the 1851 or 1861 indexes and that they would be willing to lookup a couple of households for me. > > Ann MUNRO (m/s Gemmill) born 1818 Paisley, married John Munro in Gorbals, Lanark in 1841. Only known child Mary Ann (Marion) Munro b1850 Gorbals. > > Margaret McKnight (m/s Gemmill, formerly Murray) born 1814 Paisley. Married John Murray who died pre 1833 (unknown whether they had children) and then John McKnight in 1848 in Gorbals. Had at least 3 children: Mary Hutchison McKnight b1849 Gorbals, William Creighton McKnight b1852 Gorbals and George Gemmill McKnight b1856 Tradeston. > > Also interested in Matthew Hutchison who in 1841 was living in Coburg Lane Gorbals. He was given as 45 years of age but I suspect he was rounded down from 48 (ie born 1793). Born outside Lanarkshire (suspect Paisley). Occupation was Cl (what IS that?). If anyone can locate him in the census indexes it would be much appreciated. > > Anyhelp at all would be greatfullyreceived. > > Michelle in Australia - go socceroos!!!! > >

Hi All, Not strictly off topic - they were born in Paisley! Such a helpful list I thought I might try here. I am hoping that someone might have a copy of the 1851 or 1861 indexes and that they would be willing to lookup a couple of households for me. Ann MUNRO (m/s Gemmill) born 1818 Paisley, married John Munro in Gorbals, Lanark in 1841. Only known child Mary Ann (Marion) Munro b1850 Gorbals. Margaret McKnight (m/s Gemmill, formerly Murray) born 1814 Paisley. Married John Murray who died pre 1833 (unknown whether they had children) and then John McKnight in 1848 in Gorbals. Had at least 3 children: Mary Hutchison McKnight b1849 Gorbals, William Creighton McKnight b1852 Gorbals and George Gemmill McKnight b1856 Tradeston. Also interested in Matthew Hutchison who in 1841 was living in Coburg Lane Gorbals. He was given as 45 years of age but I suspect he was rounded down from 48 (ie born 1793). Born outside Lanarkshire (suspect Paisley). Occupation was Cl (what IS that?). If anyone can locate him in the census indexes it would be much appreciated. Anyhelp at all would be greatfullyreceived. Michelle in Australia - go socceroos!!!!

Seeking birth, parentage, and sibling information about Agnes Irvin born Renfrewshire about 1799. She married Andrew Park (born about 1797, Renfrewshire) about 1817 in Renfrewshire. Thanks for all assistance. Cheryl Doran Girard Accounting & Administrative Resources PO Box 118 Jenner, CA 95450-0118 Phone: 707-86-1181 Fax: 707-865-1182 Electronic Mail: [email protected]

Seeking birth, parentage, sibling and marriage information for Andrew Park, born Renfrewshire around 1797 married about 1817 (Renfrewshire) Agnes Irvin born about 1799, Renfrewshire. Thanks for any assistance. Cheryl Doran Girard Family Archivist Doran, Fitzpatrick, Hubbard and Heyworths of Methuen, Lawrence and North Andover, Massachusetts Telephone: 707-865-1181 Fax: 707-865-1182 Electronic mail: [email protected]

I am looking for John Finlay who was married to Margaret Cadzow in Bothwell in 1860. If anyone can lookup the 1861 census in Bothwell it would be much appreciated. Regards, Roger Finlay

Hi Donna Just tried and it logged in with no problem and searched, again no problem, could be a local hitch or your ISP ? I have known Ancestry (and others) to not allow log ons after an update so clearing cache and trying again may solve the it? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) List owner for OVINGTON and HAYLOCK lists > Hi Nivard > I have a UK Ancestry subscription and I can't even log on to the site at > the moment- is it just me or are you having problems as well? > Donna

Hi all Just been informed on another list that the 1841 census of Scotland is now on Ancestry ! No images but a full transcription Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) List owner for OVINGTON and HAYLOCK lists

Hi Nivard I have a UK Ancestry subscription and I can't even log on to the site at the moment- is it just me or are you having problems as well? Donna Kiwi in Vancouver canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 2:04 AM Subject: [Renfrew] Scotland 1841 census on Ancestry > Hi all > > Just been informed on another list that the 1841 census of Scotland is now > on Ancestry ! > > No images but a full transcription > > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > List owner for OVINGTON and HAYLOCK lists

I am looking for Langs in Greenock from 1900 onwards? Many thanks David > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2006/06/07 Wed AM 02:39:59 BST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Greenock Cemetery Burials > > Irene, > > Would there be any SPEARS? > > Many thanks, > Marie Spears > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

There are 10 stones with the surname Lang on them. There are 9 stones with Spier(s) on them. The Renfrewshire MIs books have indexes which only have surnames in them ..no dates, no first names. Apart from the fact that, much as I would like to be helpful, I really do not have time to do lookups,- as I have reiterated on other lists, if one person supplies the information from an MI book where is the incentive for family history societies to continue to publish other MI books. Believe me, trekking round a graveyard peering at worn inscriptions is not a barrel of laughs ..especially if it is raining and the midges are out. Book sales are the only way the volunteers will be convinced that their efforts are worthwhile. Recently the Dumfries and Galloway Society was given permission to start publishing the Dumfries MIs collected in the 1960s by Messrs Gilchrist and Shannon. There are about 40 graveyards. The first one, Annan, is in print; the others hopefully will follow........... but only with the proviso that the first ones sell. No sales - no more publications! Irene

Irene, Would there be any SPEARS? Many thanks, Marie Spears

Thank you for looking Irene, I appreciate your efforts. I look forward to the Greenock burial CD when the Renfrewshire FHS has it available. How will I know when this happens? Would you look up Stewart/Stuart Morrison please? He would have died between August 1830 and October 1835. He was my gg-grandmother's first husband. Thank you again for your help. Warmest regards, Athalie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Greenock Cemetery Burials > There's no Shier in the index of Greenock MIs............ but as I said it > concentrates on pre-1855 stones. Lots of Shaw and Shearer stones. Shier is > not > a name I've come across before. I think the Renfrewshire FHS has a > Greenock > burials CD in the pipeline. > > Irene >

Thanks Pat. I have Mary Jane Aitken (nee Mackay/McKay) death certificate, parents: father firswt name blank Mackay, Portioner mother, first name blank, m.s. blank, typical. Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] AITKEN > Hi Jenelle, > > Thank you for your email. It does sound like a > coincident unfortunately. What I have is Ann > McKay born about 1806 in Daily, Ayrshire, with > according to her death certificate parents Daniel > McKay and Ann McGregor. She married James Aitken > (born 1802 in Largo, Fife Parents - David Aitken > and Agnes Blythe, in 1827 in Leith Walk, > Midlothian. She died in Westfield, Greenock West, > Renfrew. They got around a little! :-) > > Thank you > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: jenelle [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 8:08 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] AITKEN > > Pat, > probably a co-incidence, but I have a Peter Aitken > who married a Mary Jane > McKay, 1853, Glasgow, unfortunately I don't know > Mary Jane's parents, she > died 1876? > Jenelle. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Wade" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:49 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] AITKEN > > >> Hello all, >> >> >> >> Is there an index for cemeteries in Greenock, >> Renfrew. My GG Grandmother died on the 19th Feb >> 1865 - registered in District West, Burgh of >> Greenock, her name was Ann AITKEN nee McKAY. I >> would love to find her exact burial details and >> find out if there is a headstone. >> >> >> >> It was shortly after her death that her husband >> and youngest two children left to emigrate to >> Australia where most of the rest of the family >> was. >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - > Release Date: 2/06/2006 >> >> > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2/06/2006 > >

Hi Jenelle, Thank you for your email. It does sound like a coincident unfortunately. What I have is Ann McKay born about 1806 in Daily, Ayrshire, with according to her death certificate parents Daniel McKay and Ann McGregor. She married James Aitken (born 1802 in Largo, Fife Parents - David Aitken and Agnes Blythe, in 1827 in Leith Walk, Midlothian. She died in Westfield, Greenock West, Renfrew. They got around a little! :-) Thank you Pat -----Original Message----- From: jenelle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 5 June 2006 8:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] AITKEN Pat, probably a co-incidence, but I have a Peter Aitken who married a Mary Jane McKay, 1853, Glasgow, unfortunately I don't know Mary Jane's parents, she died 1876? Jenelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: [Renfrew] AITKEN > Hello all, > > > > Is there an index for cemeteries in Greenock, > Renfrew. My GG Grandmother died on the 19th Feb > 1865 - registered in District West, Burgh of > Greenock, her name was Ann AITKEN nee McKAY. I > would love to find her exact burial details and > find out if there is a headstone. > > > > It was shortly after her death that her husband > and youngest two children left to emigrate to > Australia where most of the rest of the family > was. > > > > Thank you > > Pat > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2/06/2006 > >

Sorry Sandy, Can't tell from the address. Many thanks. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "alistair Stevenson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean > It's Sandy not Alistair, he's my husband. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Silvester" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean > > >> Thanks Alistair. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "alistair Stevenson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean >> >> >> > When I was looking for my ancestors in the Renfrewshire area I >> > contacted >> > the >> > Renfrewshire Council by looking for them on Google. They did look-ups > for >> > me but they will charge you. Sandy >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Margaret Silvester" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:53 PM >> > Subject: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean >> > >> > >> >> This is Margaret from Mooloolaba in Qld Australia. Could anyone >> >> supply >> > information about Paisley area cemeteries that list interred for online >> > research. I'm trying to locate death dates for early ancestors. My >> > research has taken me back to he 1700s and earlier. >> >> >> >> Clarks were from Lochwinnoch; Barbours from Lochwinnoch or Dalry; > Lyles >> > from Kilbarchan and Johnsone; Langs from Johnstone; McNairs from Abbey; >> > McLeans from Paisley; Pollocks from Dalry >> >> >> >> Any assistance appreciated. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Margaret >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >

It's Sandy not Alistair, he's my husband. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Silvester" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean > Thanks Alistair. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alistair Stevenson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean > > > > When I was looking for my ancestors in the Renfrewshire area I contacted > > the > > Renfrewshire Council by looking for them on Google. They did look-ups for > > me but they will charge you. Sandy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Margaret Silvester" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:53 PM > > Subject: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean > > > > > >> This is Margaret from Mooloolaba in Qld Australia. Could anyone supply > > information about Paisley area cemeteries that list interred for online > > research. I'm trying to locate death dates for early ancestors. My > > research has taken me back to he 1700s and earlier. > >> > >> Clarks were from Lochwinnoch; Barbours from Lochwinnoch or Dalry; Lyles > > from Kilbarchan and Johnsone; Langs from Johnstone; McNairs from Abbey; > > McLeans from Paisley; Pollocks from Dalry > >> > >> Any assistance appreciated. > >> > >> Regards > >> Margaret > >> > >> > > > > > >

If someone has access to the Greenock MI's would they please do a look-up for me. My gg-grandfather was John Shier and he died sometime between 1839-1851. His wife Susannah's first husband was Stewart/Stuart Morrison and he passed away between the birth of his last child in 1830 and Susannah's marriage to John Shier in October 1835. The 1841 Census has Susannah aged 35 years living at Arthur Street, Greenock East, with five of her children - two of them from her first marriage. A Robert Shier aged 55 years was living there as well. I am not sure if this is her husband John (possible mistake made with his name)or maybe her father-in-law. All other records have Susannah's husband recorded as John. Three of her children with Stewart Morrison were born at Greenock/East Greenock and two of John and Susannah Shier's children were also born there. I hope someone can help me with burial dates for these two men. Thank you, Athalie Taylor Launceston Tasmania

Thanks Alistair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alistair Stevenson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean > When I was looking for my ancestors in the Renfrewshire area I contacted > the > Renfrewshire Council by looking for them on Google. They did look-ups for > me but they will charge you. Sandy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Silvester" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:53 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] Clark: Barbour: Lyle: Lang: McNair: McLean > > >> This is Margaret from Mooloolaba in Qld Australia. Could anyone supply > information about Paisley area cemeteries that list interred for online > research. I'm trying to locate death dates for early ancestors. My > research has taken me back to he 1700s and earlier. >> >> Clarks were from Lochwinnoch; Barbours from Lochwinnoch or Dalry; Lyles > from Kilbarchan and Johnsone; Langs from Johnstone; McNairs from Abbey; > McLeans from Paisley; Pollocks from Dalry >> >> Any assistance appreciated. >> >> Regards >> Margaret >> >> > >