Hi, I just thought I'd let you know that my grandfather was a chauffeur for the Ferguson's of ship building fame in Greenock at the beginning of the 20th Century. Sandy (Wagga x 2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angus Ferguson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Lost Greenock FERGUSON family? > Thanks for your ideas Patricia. This is possibly my most frustrating search > yet!! > > You suggested: > > >I went searching for that child by her first name only and her birth year > > I tried this at Freecen with Archibald, Jean and her same - named daughter, > but to no avail. Unfortunately Scotlandspeople will not allow such searches. > I also tried spelling variations and allowed for some inaccuracy in > birthplaces and birth years. > > > However, you say you have looked for remarriages. > > I tried this again and found two Jane/Jean Ferguson marrying in the correct > timeframe, but these were OPR marriages and I'm damned if I'm going to spend > £20...........yet! The IGI has these also, but as expected no reference to > any maiden name or parents. I can't remember whether the OPRs record such > detail. > > > Archibald aged 14 in 1851 could have been at sea then, if he was at sea in > > 1861. > > Very possibly. Actually in the 1861 Southampton census, he is on land and > enumerated as a boilermaker. He was recorded as a seaman at his marriage in > 1863 in Ayrshire. I would have thought though that boilermaking would > require a land - based apprenticeship? At least I have some leads on him! > > > Jean aged 16/17 in 1851 was probably in service and living with another > > family. > > Very possibly also. Freecen came up with nothing, but I'm not sure they have > the full Scottish 1851 census transcribed yet. There were many possibilities > on SP, but I limited myself to known family locations and counties. She > could have gone further afield, but then she was in Greenock for her > marriage in 1855 and no occupation was recorded for her. > > > John Ferguson aged 15? Was he the son of Archibald (dec'd) > > Archibald, as his brother already had two Johns, both accounted for and > verified. > > > does that mean Archibald (dec'd) was also born in Ireland? > > I don't know and I've never considered that! I have no record of Archibald's > birth, yet I have the records of his three siblings. All I have ever had to > definitively link the two brothers was the marriage of their two children > (cousins) in Greenock in 1855. > > > If the son does that mean the family traveled to and from Ireland? > > Possibly, but I doubt whether the frequency of travel was great. I also > doubt, but could be very wrong, that the entire family were in Ireland in > 1851. There certainly was considerable communication with Ireland as there > have been 3 likely adoptions, two of which were during the famine in the mid > - late 1840's. The family have a long and I hope, noble tradition of > adoptions from this time until the early 1900's. Interestingly, there were a > few Archibald Fergusons in Armagh in the early to mid 1800's. > > > If Ireland - then a very very good luck as I have a huge brick wall in > > Ireland. > > Tell me about it! I have at least four! I have long wondered how, and no - > one has yet given me a reasonable explanation, people make any headway in > their research there, unless they had geographically stable and relatively > wealthy ancestors. > > > Hope my suggestions are something to think about. > > Plenty.....and thank you! > > Kind regards > Angus > > > >

Is there a FreeCEN page for Northern Ireland? Our MORROWS lived in Greenock about 1900-1920, but I believe they came over from Northern Ireland. Many Thanks, Roxanne >-- >This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm >Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. > >Jack > >

Hi Jim Have you looked at naming patterns of the children of William and his first wife Elizabeth. They might give you some clue as to who his parents were and Elizabeth's parents. Regards Patricia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2006 6:58 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [Renfrew] My William Black was born between 1720 and 1735, but Where In Scotland? I am having a lot of difficulty finding PROOF concerning my ancestor's, (William Black) birthplace in Scotland.Here are the leads I have so far for the birth or baptism of my ancestor:: 1. born 1727 Paisley (I cannot find records, and most accept this as his birthdate and location of birth, without documentation) 2. possible son of William Black, supervisor of excise in Glasgow,who died in 1748 in Glasgow (cannot find any record) 3. born 14 Oct 1722 Lynegar, Watten, Caithness parent John Black 4. christened 3 Dec. 1732 Hamilton,Lanark, parents: Charles Black / Mary Cur 5. christened 29 July 1723 New Monkland, Lanark parents Gavin Black / Margret Jack 6. christened 8 May 1735 Crawfordjohn, Lanark parents James Black /Jean Willison 7. christened 22 Dec.1720 Carnwath,Lanark parents John Black / Christian Tennent 8. christened 1721 Crawford, Lanark parents John Black / Margret Bell 9. christened 10 September 1722 Crawford, Lanark parents Heugh Black / Bessie Carmichell 10. Christened 2 June 1722 Shotts, Lanark Can anyone PROVE that anyone of the above was my ancestor, William Black, who 1. married Elizabeth Stocks in Elland or Huddersfield, Yorkshire ca 1758 2. Emigrated with her and five children to Canada in 1775 . 3. Lived in both Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and married second Elizabeth Abber. Does anyone have any information PROVING that another William Black of another location inb Scotland was my ancestor? Any help or clues anyone can give me will be very much appreciated. Regards, Jim Wilman [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

Hello Angus I had a similar problem with one of my families from Cornwall. I knew that they were in Cornwall because they married or died or something after one or other census. I was lucky as I had one child in the family with a "not so common" first name (Rebecca). I went searching for that child by her first name only and her birth year (she would only have been 2yrs in the census I was looking. I found 3 children in Cornwall who could have been her. I then looked at each family and there I found a family with a mother of the correct first name and all the siblings. The mother had remarried and the family were listed under the new husband's surname. In subsequent censuses the family were easy to find. When each child married they of course married in the birth name not their adopted family name. This could be the case with your Ferguson's. However, you say you have looked for remarriages. Archibald aged 14 in 1851 could have been at sea then, if he was at sea in 1861. Jean aged 16/17 in 1851 was probably in service and living with another family. John Ferguson aged 15? Was he the son of Archibald (dec'd) or the brother? If the brother, does that mean Archibald (dec'd) was also born in Ireland? If the son does that mean the family traveled to and from Ireland? If Ireland - then a very very good luck as I have a huge brick wall in Ireland. Hope my suggestions are something to think about. Bye for now Patricia -----Original Message----- From: Angus Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2006 1:58 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [Renfrew] Lost Greenock FERGUSON family? Hi everyone, Either I'm going mad or my research skills are waning, but I cannot for the life of me find, in any post 1841 UK census, certain members of a key branch of my family. Yet they keep popping up in marriages and recorded as alive in such records. I've tried Soundex and wildcard searches; looked for remarriages and deaths as well as wider geographical searches, but to no avail. If sks could either confirm my madness or employ their greater research skills, then I would be very grateful. If they are not to be found, then of course I can consider them either abducted by aliens, or more probably emigrated. In the 1841 census they are enumerated at 1 St.John Street, Greenock. Also present is John Ferguson, the brother of Archibald Ferguson, the recently deceased head of the household. I cannot find any of them in the 1851 census. The remaining family are: Jean FERGUSON, nee RUSSEL(L); b. 4th July 1814, Greeenock. Last recorded as alive, but probably not present at her son Archibald's marriage to Mary YOUNG in St. Quivox, Ayrshire in December 1863. Jean FERGUSON; b. 13th May 1834, Greenock, daughter of the above Jean. Cannot find her in 1851 census, but after this I know exactly where she was as she married her first cousin John, in September 1855 and died in Feb 1870 in Greenock. Archibald FERGUSON; b. 9th September 1837, Greenock. Cannot find him 1851 census. 1861 census living in Southampton, England with fellow seamen. Married Mary Young in St. Quivox, Ayrshire, December 1863. Possibly in Liverpool, England for birth of twins Susanna and Janet in March 1866. Nothing after this. John Ferguson; 1841 census - recorded as born in Ireland in about 1836. Nothing after the 1841 record. I would love to find the family in 1851 when they are still likely to be together. Equally, any reference to the mother Jean after 1841; Archibald after his marriage in 1863 and just about anything on the probably adopted John. TIA Angus Ferguson. Newcastle upon Tyne, UK.

Brilliant Jack! It is them. They do not however appear on SP; normal, wildcard or any other type of search! I believe that there are some poorly scanned images of the 1851 that SP has not released, so may be this is one of them? May I ask you how and where you found them? My certainty is simple. All the ages are correct, although David is a new addition! Also, another Greenock branch of the family named a child Thomas Murray FERGUSON in 1846; until now, I never knew the source of this name. Thomas married Jean in Greenock in January 1843; Jean used her maiden name of 'RUSSELL' rather than her married name. As yet, I cannot find David's birth. I'm also curious why he is enumerated as FERGUSON in 1851, when he was clearly born at around the same time as his mother's marriage to Thomas MURRAY. If his father wasn't a FERGUSON as seems likely, then the convention was to take the name of the mother's new spouse, even if he wasn't the father. Again Jack....Thank you. Angus > From: Jack Mills <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:35:15 +0100 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Lost Greenock FERGUSON family? > Resent-From: <[email protected]> > Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:35:15 -0600 > > Hi Angus, > > Maybe have a look at these names on ScotlandsPeople? > Could mother have Jean re-married? > -- > 1851 census 564-1 (434) Ed 13 p 3 (Greenock East) > Thomas MURRAY 39 > Jean MURRAY 37 > Jean FERGUSON 17 > John FERGUSON 15 > Archibald FERGUSON 13 > David FERGUSON 8 > -- > This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page > http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm > Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. > > Jack > ============================ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angus Ferguson > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:58 PM > Subject: [Renfrew] Lost Greenock FERGUSON family? > > > Hi everyone, > > Either I'm going mad or my research skills are waning, but I cannot for the > life of me find, in any post 1841 UK census, certain members of a key branch > of my family. Yet they keep popping up in marriages and recorded as alive in > such records. I've tried Soundex and wildcard searches; looked for > remarriages and deaths as well as wider geographical searches, but to no > avail. If sks could either confirm my madness or employ their greater > research skills, then I would be very grateful. If they are not to be found, > then of course I can consider them either abducted by aliens, or more > probably emigrated. > > In the 1841 census they are enumerated at 1 St.John Street, Greenock. Also > present is John Ferguson, the brother of Archibald Ferguson, the recently > deceased head of the household. I cannot find any of them in the 1851census. > > The remaining family are: > > Jean FERGUSON, nee RUSSEL(L); b. 4th July 1814, Greeenock. Last recorded as > alive, but probably not present at her son Archibald's marriage to Mary > YOUNG in St. Quivox, Ayrshire in December 1863. > > Jean FERGUSON; b. 13th May 1834, Greenock, daughter of the above Jean. > Cannot find her in 1851 census, but after this I know exactly where she was > as she married her first cousin John, in September 1855 and died in Feb 1870 > in Greenock. > > Archibald FERGUSON; b. 9th September 1837, Greenock. Cannot find him 1851 > census. 1861 census living in Southampton, England with fellow seamen. > Married Mary Young in St. Quivox, Ayrshire, December 1863. Possibly in > Liverpool, England for birth of twins Susanna and Janet in March 1866. > Nothing after this. > > John Ferguson; 1841 census - recorded as born in Ireland in about 1836. > Nothing after the 1841 record. > > I would love to find the family in 1851 when they are still likely to be > together. Equally, any reference to the mother Jean after 1841; Archibald > after his marriage in 1863 and just about anything on the probably adopted > John. > > TIA > Angus Ferguson. Newcastle upon Tyne, UK. >

Hi Angus, Maybe have a look at these names on ScotlandsPeople? Could mother have Jean re-married? -- 1851 census 564-1 (434) Ed 13 p 3 (Greenock East) Thomas MURRAY 39 Jean MURRAY 37 Jean FERGUSON 17 John FERGUSON 15 Archibald FERGUSON 13 David FERGUSON 8 -- This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. Jack ============================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Angus Ferguson To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [Renfrew] Lost Greenock FERGUSON family? Hi everyone, Either I'm going mad or my research skills are waning, but I cannot for the life of me find, in any post 1841 UK census, certain members of a key branch of my family. Yet they keep popping up in marriages and recorded as alive in such records. I've tried Soundex and wildcard searches; looked for remarriages and deaths as well as wider geographical searches, but to no avail. If sks could either confirm my madness or employ their greater research skills, then I would be very grateful. If they are not to be found, then of course I can consider them either abducted by aliens, or more probably emigrated. In the 1841 census they are enumerated at 1 St.John Street, Greenock. Also present is John Ferguson, the brother of Archibald Ferguson, the recently deceased head of the household. I cannot find any of them in the 1851census. The remaining family are: Jean FERGUSON, nee RUSSEL(L); b. 4th July 1814, Greeenock. Last recorded as alive, but probably not present at her son Archibald's marriage to Mary YOUNG in St. Quivox, Ayrshire in December 1863. Jean FERGUSON; b. 13th May 1834, Greenock, daughter of the above Jean. Cannot find her in 1851 census, but after this I know exactly where she was as she married her first cousin John, in September 1855 and died in Feb 1870 in Greenock. Archibald FERGUSON; b. 9th September 1837, Greenock. Cannot find him 1851 census. 1861 census living in Southampton, England with fellow seamen. Married Mary Young in St. Quivox, Ayrshire, December 1863. Possibly in Liverpool, England for birth of twins Susanna and Janet in March 1866. Nothing after this. John Ferguson; 1841 census - recorded as born in Ireland in about 1836. Nothing after the 1841 record. I would love to find the family in 1851 when they are still likely to be together. Equally, any reference to the mother Jean after 1841; Archibald after his marriage in 1863 and just about anything on the probably adopted John. TIA Angus Ferguson. Newcastle upon Tyne, UK.

Jim, Just a thought and maybe way out, but you never know. Earlier, I mentioned the topic of possible connections between Paisley and the Huddersfield area. I wonder whether wool, weaving and clothing craft and trade might not be a connection, leading to traffic between the two areas and ultimately a marriage between a William BLACK from Paisley and an Elizabeth STOCKS from the Huddersfield area. Interesting to note that, according to the IGI, William's second wife hailed from Paisley as well. Hope you get there in the end, Katie de Haan The Netherlands MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK Argyll, Renfrew, Lanarkshire Scotland MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty, Lanarkshire Scotland MCCCALLUM Perthshire pre 1780 KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR HUTT Oxon/Berks UK KING JACKSON WEEDON Middlesex/London City/East End UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: [Renfrew] My William Black was born between 1720 and 1735, but Where In Scotland? >I am having a lot of difficulty finding PROOF concerning my ancestor's, > (William Black) birthplace in Scotland.Here are the leads I have so far > for the birth or baptism of my ancestor:: > 1. born 1727 Paisley (I cannot find records, and most accept this as his > birthdate and location of birth, without documentation)

Thanks for your ideas Patricia. This is possibly my most frustrating search yet!! You suggested: >I went searching for that child by her first name only and her birth year I tried this at Freecen with Archibald, Jean and her same - named daughter, but to no avail. Unfortunately Scotlandspeople will not allow such searches. I also tried spelling variations and allowed for some inaccuracy in birthplaces and birth years. > However, you say you have looked for remarriages. I tried this again and found two Jane/Jean Ferguson marrying in the correct timeframe, but these were OPR marriages and I'm damned if I'm going to spend £20...........yet! The IGI has these also, but as expected no reference to any maiden name or parents. I can't remember whether the OPRs record such detail. > Archibald aged 14 in 1851 could have been at sea then, if he was at sea in > 1861. Very possibly. Actually in the 1861 Southampton census, he is on land and enumerated as a boilermaker. He was recorded as a seaman at his marriage in 1863 in Ayrshire. I would have thought though that boilermaking would require a land - based apprenticeship? At least I have some leads on him! > Jean aged 16/17 in 1851 was probably in service and living with another > family. Very possibly also. Freecen came up with nothing, but I'm not sure they have the full Scottish 1851 census transcribed yet. There were many possibilities on SP, but I limited myself to known family locations and counties. She could have gone further afield, but then she was in Greenock for her marriage in 1855 and no occupation was recorded for her. > John Ferguson aged 15? Was he the son of Archibald (dec'd) Archibald, as his brother already had two Johns, both accounted for and verified. > does that mean Archibald (dec'd) was also born in Ireland? I don't know and I've never considered that! I have no record of Archibald's birth, yet I have the records of his three siblings. All I have ever had to definitively link the two brothers was the marriage of their two children (cousins) in Greenock in 1855. > If the son does that mean the family traveled to and from Ireland? Possibly, but I doubt whether the frequency of travel was great. I also doubt, but could be very wrong, that the entire family were in Ireland in 1851. There certainly was considerable communication with Ireland as there have been 3 likely adoptions, two of which were during the famine in the mid - late 1840's. The family have a long and I hope, noble tradition of adoptions from this time until the early 1900's. Interestingly, there were a few Archibald Fergusons in Armagh in the early to mid 1800's. > If Ireland - then a very very good luck as I have a huge brick wall in > Ireland. Tell me about it! I have at least four! I have long wondered how, and no - one has yet given me a reasonable explanation, people make any headway in their research there, unless they had geographically stable and relatively wealthy ancestors. > Hope my suggestions are something to think about. Plenty.....and thank you! Kind regards Angus

Jim, I'm no expert but I'd imagine it's going to be hard to get 'proof' of anything as early as that unless your ancestor was tied to some estate or other organisation with its own documentation. I wonder if the Huddersfield Family History Society or any other Yorkshire branch might be able to help you find parish records of William's first marriage to Elizabeth, in the hope that there might be something more for you to go on. Why, for example, does the IGI give Paisley as his origin? Was that on the parish record and is that why, as you say, 'most people' accept that he came from Renfrewshire rather than Lanarkshire, Caithness or anywhere else in Scotland - or England for that matter? Maybe a local family history branch could also point you in the direction of records suggesting why a Scotsman should end up in the Huddersfield area at that particular time in the eighteenth century. Maybe you've already tried these options but, if not, they may be worthwhile. Happy hunting, Katie de Haan The Netherlands MCVEAN SINCLAIR MCKELLAR CLARK Argyll, Renfrew, Lanarkshire Scotland MCCALLUM MUNRO BEATON BETHUNE Sutherland, Ross & Cromarty, Lanarkshire Scotland MCCCALLUM Perthshire pre 1780 KING PALMER LANGSTONE CARR HUTT Oxon/Berks UK KING JACKSON WEEDON Middlesex/London City/East End UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: [Renfrew] My William Black was born between 1720 and 1735, but Where In Scotland? >I am having a lot of difficulty finding PROOF concerning my ancestor's, > (William Black) birthplace in Scotland.Here are the leads I have so far > for the > birth or baptism of my ancestor:: > > > 1. born 1727 Paisley (I cannot find records, and most accept this as his > birthdate and location of birth, without documentation) > > 2. possible son of William Black, supervisor of excise in Glasgow,who died > in 1748 in Glasgow (cannot find any record) > > 3. born 14 Oct 1722 Lynegar, Watten, Caithness parent John Black > > 4. christened 3 Dec. 1732 Hamilton,Lanark, parents: Charles Black / Mary > Cur > > 5. christened 29 July 1723 New Monkland, Lanark parents Gavin Black / > Margret Jack > > 6. christened 8 May 1735 Crawfordjohn, Lanark parents James Black /Jean > Willison > > 7. christened 22 Dec.1720 Carnwath,Lanark parents John Black / > Christian > Tennent > > 8. christened 1721 Crawford, Lanark parents John Black / Margret Bell > > 9. christened 10 September 1722 Crawford, Lanark parents Heugh Black / > Bessie Carmichell > > 10. Christened 2 June 1722 Shotts, Lanark > > > Can anyone PROVE that anyone of the above was my ancestor, William Black, > who > > 1. married Elizabeth Stocks in Elland or Huddersfield, Yorkshire ca 1758 > > 2. Emigrated with her and five children to Canada in 1775 . > > 3. Lived in both Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and married second > Elizabeth > Abber. > > Does anyone have any information PROVING that another William Black of > another location inb Scotland was my ancestor? > > Any help or clues anyone can give me will be very much appreciated. > > Regards, Jim Wilman [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Nivard, it was nice of you to send that info from the 1841 census. I have got quite alot of info on the family but not going back to the Parents , John and Ann and the other siblings of Henry. manythanks once again, Allison.

Hi everyone, Either I'm going mad or my research skills are waning, but I cannot for the life of me find, in any post 1841 UK census, certain members of a key branch of my family. Yet they keep popping up in marriages and recorded as alive in such records. I've tried Soundex and wildcard searches; looked for remarriages and deaths as well as wider geographical searches, but to no avail. If sks could either confirm my madness or employ their greater research skills, then I would be very grateful. If they are not to be found, then of course I can consider them either abducted by aliens, or more probably emigrated. In the 1841 census they are enumerated at 1 St.John Street, Greenock. Also present is John Ferguson, the brother of Archibald Ferguson, the recently deceased head of the household. I cannot find any of them in the 1851 census. The remaining family are: Jean FERGUSON, nee RUSSEL(L); b. 4th July 1814, Greeenock. Last recorded as alive, but probably not present at her son Archibald's marriage to Mary YOUNG in St. Quivox, Ayrshire in December 1863. Jean FERGUSON; b. 13th May 1834, Greenock, daughter of the above Jean. Cannot find her in 1851 census, but after this I know exactly where she was as she married her first cousin John, in September 1855 and died in Feb 1870 in Greenock. Archibald FERGUSON; b. 9th September 1837, Greenock. Cannot find him 1851 census. 1861 census living in Southampton, England with fellow seamen. Married Mary Young in St. Quivox, Ayrshire, December 1863. Possibly in Liverpool, England for birth of twins Susanna and Janet in March 1866. Nothing after this. John Ferguson; 1841 census - recorded as born in Ireland in about 1836. Nothing after the 1841 record. I would love to find the family in 1851 when they are still likely to be together. Equally, any reference to the mother Jean after 1841; Archibald after his marriage in 1863 and just about anything on the probably adopted John. TIA Angus Ferguson. Newcastle upon Tyne, UK.

I am having a lot of difficulty finding PROOF concerning my ancestor's, (William Black) birthplace in Scotland.Here are the leads I have so far for the birth or baptism of my ancestor:: 1. born 1727 Paisley (I cannot find records, and most accept this as his birthdate and location of birth, without documentation) 2. possible son of William Black, supervisor of excise in Glasgow,who died in 1748 in Glasgow (cannot find any record) 3. born 14 Oct 1722 Lynegar, Watten, Caithness parent John Black 4. christened 3 Dec. 1732 Hamilton,Lanark, parents: Charles Black / Mary Cur 5. christened 29 July 1723 New Monkland, Lanark parents Gavin Black / Margret Jack 6. christened 8 May 1735 Crawfordjohn, Lanark parents James Black /Jean Willison 7. christened 22 Dec.1720 Carnwath,Lanark parents John Black / Christian Tennent 8. christened 1721 Crawford, Lanark parents John Black / Margret Bell 9. christened 10 September 1722 Crawford, Lanark parents Heugh Black / Bessie Carmichell 10. Christened 2 June 1722 Shotts, Lanark Can anyone PROVE that anyone of the above was my ancestor, William Black, who 1. married Elizabeth Stocks in Elland or Huddersfield, Yorkshire ca 1758 2. Emigrated with her and five children to Canada in 1775 . 3. Lived in both Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and married second Elizabeth Abber. Does anyone have any information PROVING that another William Black of another location inb Scotland was my ancestor? Any help or clues anyone can give me will be very much appreciated. Regards, Jim Wilman [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

Is anyone researching George Shier, son of Robert Shier and Elizabeth Parker? George was born in Edinburgh C1804. His parents were married 06-01-1803 - Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Source: FamilySearch on-line. Their name spelt Shear on this record. George married Elizabeth McArthur 29-08-1830 at Glasgow. I am trying to establish a link between George and my gg-grandfather John Shier. I think John Shier's father might have been Robert Shier. On the 1841 Census a Robert Shier aged 55 years was living at the same address as my gg-grandmother Susan Shier (wife of John) no sign of John, so he had probably passed away by 1841. I think Robert might have been Susan's father-in-law as he was 20 years older than her on the Census record. John, Robert and George were all Iron Moulders. I hope someone can help me with this brick wall. Athalie in Tassie

Hi , Looking for information on the DICK family who lived in Cathcart Renfrewshire. Henry DICK bt 13 Oct 1811 in Cathcart and his sister Ann bt 27 August 1813 also in Cathcart. There were three other children born before Henry . No names are given. The parents were John DICK and Anne RENNIE who were married in 1804 in Tollcross Barony. Henry married a Elizabeth FRAME in 1835 in Bridgton in Glasgow and they had five children. Elizabeth, b. 1835 John b. 1837 Anna b.1841, Henry b, 1844 and Agnes b, 1846. Henry's wife died and he married a Mary GOLD who had been married to John BAILLIE. Lookfoward to any replys with the same interest. Allison.

Well that's a coincidence, I was Christened in the Congregational Kirk in School Wynd in Paisley. Sandy (Wagga x 2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: [Renfrew] BEGG/WRIGHT > does anybody have connections to any of the following taken from 1841 census > > Civil Parish: Paisley Middle Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - > Folio: 27 Page: 8 > Address: 6 School Wynd > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks > WRIGHT Walker M 50 Weaver Renfrewshire > WRIGHT Walker M 20 Weaver Renfrewshire > WRIGHT John M 15 Renfrewshire > WRIGHT Mary F 45 Renfrewshire > WRIGHT Mary F 20 Shawl Sewer Renfrewshire > WRIGHT Agness F 13 Shawl Sewer Renfrewshire > WRIGHT Christina F 5 Renfrewshire > WRIGHT Margaret F 5 Renfrewshire > > > Piece: SCT1841/573 Place: Paisley-Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 2 > Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - > Folio: 45 Page: 17 > Address: 13 Bridge St > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks > BEGG Arch M 40 Hand Loom Weaver Cotton Outside Census County (1841) > BEGG Margret F 40 Renfrewshire > BEGG Arch M 14 Renfrewshire > YOUNG James M 60 Dyer Outside Census County (1841) > >

Hi Allison From Ancestry 1841 index (sadly no image) Henry Dick abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Bothwell Lanarkshire 625 Elisabeth Dick abt 1816 Lanarkshire, Scotland Bothwell Lanarkshire 625 Elisabeth Dick abt 1837 Lanarkshire, Scotland Bothwell Lanarkshire 625 John Dick abt 1839 Lanarkshire, Scotland Bothwell Lanarkshire 625 NK abt 1841 Lanarkshire, Scotland Bothwell Lanarkshire 625 John Frame abt 1826 Lanarkshire, Scotland Bothwell Lanarkshire 625 Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) List owner for OVINGTON and HAYLOCK lists > Hi , Looking for information on the DICK family who lived in Cathcart > Renfrewshire. Henry DICK bt 13 Oct 1811 in Cathcart and his sister Ann > bt 27 August 1813 also in Cathcart. There were three other children born > before Henry . No names are given. The parents were John DICK and Anne > RENNIE who were married in 1804 in Tollcross Barony. Henry married a > Elizabeth FRAME in 1835 in Bridgton in Glasgow and they had five > children. Elizabeth, b. 1835 John b. 1837 Anna b.1841, Henry b, 1844 and > Agnes b, 1846. Henry's wife died and he married a Mary GOLD who had been > married to John BAILLIE. Lookfoward to any replys with the same > interest. Allison.

Can anyone provide proof of where he was born , probably in Scotland, possibly in Lynegar,Watten, Caithness,Scotland on 14 Oct 1722. Most information states he was born in Paisley,Scotland in 1727, and there are several William Blacks born in Lanark in the same approximate time frame.but I cannot find any documentation that any of these are my ancestor.. My ancestor married Elizabeth in or near Elland, Huddersfield Yorkshire, had five children and emigrated to Canada in 1775.He lived in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick and died in Dorchester,New Brunswick. ANY HELP WILL BE MOST APPRECIATED. Regards, Jim Wilman in Massachusetts

Hello, I have McNabs too - 1. James NcNab married Sarah Barr b 1836 Renfrew and had the following children: Mary 1868 Jessie 1870 (Archibald Barr) 1872 John 1874 James abt 1876 Archibald Barr abt 1878 2. I have the family of James McNab who married Margaret Strang abt 1836 3. and his son James born 1855 who married Agnes Laird in 1880 in Port Glasgow and then Mary Mirk whom he married in Renfrew 1883 if it's any help to anyone Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "barugh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Death Notices > Hi, My g.g.aunt married into the McNab family. This is what info I have. > > Robert Aird McNAB compositor of Pollockshaws Road, Glasgow.d.o.b. 1874 m > Catherine Annie CAMERON 6/5/1914 Hillington Road, Renfrew. > His parents were Robert McNAB Building Inspector and Elizabeth AIRD. > > Shirley. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 03/07/06 >

Hello Kristina, I have Agnes Gemmell born 1827 in Ballemonone ?? Ireland to Robert Gemmell and Lilias .(Info from 1851 census - West Kilbride) The other people in the household were Charles b 1833 Margaret Jane b 1836 and Sarah b 1840 Best wishes Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristina Cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] Re: Armstrong name > Hi Catherine > > Do you have Agnes Gemmell's ancestors please? > > Kristina > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick & Catherine Madina [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2006 7:07 a.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Renfrew] Re: Armstrong name > > Hello Fred, > I have a Robert Armstrong in my Tree. > He was born in West Kilbride Ayrshire on 25 May 1853 - second lawful son > of > George Armstrong and Agnes Gemmell. > Siblings were Margaret James George Sarah Daniel Charles (John) Lilias and > John. However the names don't match, so I suspect this is not a link! > Catherine > > > >> Hi Iam researching Robert ARMSTRONG b. abt 1850,he married Elizabeth >> HAGARTY in Paisley in 1871. On the 1881 census their children were Joseph >> 8. Jane 7. Elizabeth 5 and Robert 3. All born in Paisley. Look forward to >> hear from anyone with the same interest >> ______________________________ > > ______________________________

Is anyone researching the surname CHRISTIE in the Paisley area? I have a possible connection to a JANET CHRISTIE who married JAMES BRODIE at Paisley High Church in 1849 (Jul-Aug-Sep). They were both born between 1801 and 1805 in Renfrewshire. After marriage they lived in St. James Street and worked in the silk weaving industry. There might also be a connection to a Glasgow jeweller, either on the BRODIE or CHRISTIE sides. Hermit