Thanks Jeanette I found Hawkwead in the Houstoun area oops mispelt it again. My gg grand-father Robert Stewart was a school teacher and i am trying to locate his birth abt 1806, he was buiried in Johnstone kirkyard and i found no headstone this is kind of the last straw to find him via the Paisley directories. He died 1856 and taught at the Sabbath school Cartside,Johnstone in 1841/2 no trace of him on the Scotlands peoples site or the old Scots Origins. cheers Bill ======================================== Message Received: Jul 19 2006, 10:53 PM From: "J.M.de Montalk" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [Renfrew] places Dear Bill, What did you want to know about them? I can tell you that Hawkwead should probably be Hawkhead, and a lot of land around Barrhead was originally owned by Lord Ross of Hawkhead, including the mill which my Dunlop ancestors worked. Later through marriage it passed into the ownership of the Earls of Glasgow. Have you tried a Google search? There's quite a lot of information. Regards, Jeanette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "william baxter" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:21 AM Subject: [Renfrew] places > Hi > Can anyone help me with these places taken from 1830"s Directories of > Paisley and surrounding area"s. > 1) Barrhead Seminary,Barrhead. > 2) Hawkwead, Houstoun. > 3) Hardgate, Houstoun. > cheers > Bill. > >

Thanks Barbara I know that Hawkhead there is the cemetary there i used to work in Paisley.I found Hawkhead,Houstoun but can"t find the other two queries. Bill ======================================== Message Received: Jul 19 2006, 11:05 PM From: "barb" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [Renfrew] placesHAWKHEAD Pardon me for butting in, but my 3rd Great Grandfather was stated as from Hawkhead Mills. He was a weaver./ Later a lady wrote to tell me that it was land once owned by the Earl of Ross, I believe. She said she grew up in that region. And there is only the remnants of the mill still there, but may be a Hawkhead Road. Sorry, I don't have the ladies address off hand. Maybe this will help. It is near Paisley and Glasgow, and I have seen it on some maps Barbara in BC [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.M.de Montalk" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] places > Dear Bill, > > What did you want to know about them? I can tell you that Hawkwead should > probably be Hawkhead, and a lot of land around Barrhead was originally owned > by Lord Ross of Hawkhead, including the mill which my Dunlop ancestors > worked. Later through marriage it passed into the ownership of the Earls of > Glasgow. > > Have you tried a Google search? There's quite a lot of information. > > Regards, > Jeanette. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "william baxter" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:21 AM > Subject: [Renfrew] places > > > > Hi > > Can anyone help me with these places taken from 1830"s Directories of > > Paisley and surrounding area"s. > > 1) Barrhead Seminary,Barrhead. > > 2) Hawkwead, Houstoun. > > 3) Hardgate, Houstoun. > > cheers > > Bill. > > > > >

Bill, Hardgate is on the map I sent you yesterday. It's in the north border just south of Millbank. For information on the Seminary try sending a note off to the Barrhead Library http://www.barrhead-scotland.com/Community/resource_centres/barrhead_library .asp Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA

G'day All, Have I missed something............?????????????????? I am also researching MUIR, JAMISON, & ORR Cheers Ron in Oz ("I use Archive CD Books to help with my research http://www.archivecdbooks.org"). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Mathieson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Muir, jamison, Orr > Hi Heather, > > The connection between Paisley and Guadalajara is that Paisley was once > the > World's leading town for the manufacture of sewing thread. There were 2 > huge > family businesses, the Clarks and the Coats, which eventually merged as > United Thread Mills Ltd, a subsidiary of J & P Coats Ltd, which is now > part > of the Coats Viyella Tootal group. By the end of the 19th century, lots of > countries were erecting tariff barriers to limit imports and foster local > industry. Mexico was one such, and one of the Paisley companies set up a > mill there (I'm not sure which), but in the 1960s & 70s when I worked for > Coats, they had a mill in Guadalajara and another in Mexico City, as well > as > in countless other places around the world. Some googling should yield > further info. > > I hope this helps, > > Ken Mathieson, > Uddingston SCT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mariposa Obsidian" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Muir, jamison, Orr > > >> Hi: Could someone place look ont the early census for me (Paisley) and > see if you can find the families of: >> >> Joseph Johnston (b. 1832 in Paisley, Scotland) >> Jean Young (b. 1838 in Paisley, Scotland). >> >> They both died in 1896 in Guadalajara Mexico. >> >> I am trying to research the family and find out how they ended up in > Guadalajara of all places! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Heather Hess nee Wilson >> >> >> >> Cualli Tonalli! >> Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. >> >> http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php >> http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ >> >> "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my >> life." - > Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 > >

Dear Bill, What did you want to know about them? I can tell you that Hawkwead should probably be Hawkhead, and a lot of land around Barrhead was originally owned by Lord Ross of Hawkhead, including the mill which my Dunlop ancestors worked. Later through marriage it passed into the ownership of the Earls of Glasgow. Have you tried a Google search? There's quite a lot of information. Regards, Jeanette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "william baxter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:21 AM Subject: [Renfrew] places > Hi > Can anyone help me with these places taken from 1830"s Directories of > Paisley and surrounding area"s. > 1) Barrhead Seminary,Barrhead. > 2) Hawkwead, Houstoun. > 3) Hardgate, Houstoun. > cheers > Bill. > >

Hi Bill, From memory Barrhead is about 5 miles south of Paisley. I imagine the Seminary was a school near there. Houston is northwest of Paisley , about 5 miles and "The Hardgate" (as it was known in my youth) was closer to Kilbarchan. Can't help with Hawkwead. Could it be Hawkshead? and possibly a farm? Regards, Mary Coordinator for East Lothian FreeCens Coordinator for East Lothian FreeReg

Hi Heather, The connection between Paisley and Guadalajara is that Paisley was once the World's leading town for the manufacture of sewing thread. There were 2 huge family businesses, the Clarks and the Coats, which eventually merged as United Thread Mills Ltd, a subsidiary of J & P Coats Ltd, which is now part of the Coats Viyella Tootal group. By the end of the 19th century, lots of countries were erecting tariff barriers to limit imports and foster local industry. Mexico was one such, and one of the Paisley companies set up a mill there (I'm not sure which), but in the 1960s & 70s when I worked for Coats, they had a mill in Guadalajara and another in Mexico City, as well as in countless other places around the world. Some googling should yield further info. I hope this helps, Ken Mathieson, Uddingston SCT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariposa Obsidian" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Muir, jamison, Orr > Hi: Could someone place look ont the early census for me (Paisley) and see if you can find the families of: > > Joseph Johnston (b. 1832 in Paisley, Scotland) > Jean Young (b. 1838 in Paisley, Scotland). > > They both died in 1896 in Guadalajara Mexico. > > I am trying to research the family and find out how they ended up in Guadalajara of all places! > > Thanks! > > Heather Hess nee Wilson > > > > Cualli Tonalli! > Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. > > http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php > http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ > > "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > >

Sorry for the way the message looks, it was a cut and paste job, and wasn't that stretched out on the copy. Cheers, Bobbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariposa Obsidian" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Joseph Johnston; Jean Young > Hi: Could someone place look ont the early census for me (Paisley) and > see if you can find the families of: > > Joseph Johnston (b. 1832 in Paisley, Scotland) > Jean Young (b. 1838 in Paisley, Scotland). > > They both died in 1896 in Guadalajara Mexico. > > I am in Canada and don't have access to the early census - is there a > 1841 census for Paisley? > > Thanks! > > Heather Hess nee Wilson > > Cualli Tonalli! > Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. > > http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php > http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ > > "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - > Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > >

Hi Heather: If you go to http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl, you will find listings for the 1841 census. I found the following info for you. There are also two 5-year old Jean Youngs listed. If you have any other info about her, you should be able to determine which is the right one. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bobbie Piece: SCT1841/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley)-Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 14 Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 36 Page: 3 Address: Woodside House -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks JOHNSTONE Joseph M 30 Cotton Goods Manuf. Renfrewshire JOHNSTONE - (Mrs) F 30 Renfrewshire JOHNSTONE Joseph M 9 Renfrewshire JOHNSTONE George M 7 Renfrewshire JOHNSTONE John M 6 Renfrewshire JOHNSTONE Wm M 1 Renfrewshire JOHNSTONE Janet F 11 Renfrewshire JOHNSTONE Susan F 3 Renfrewshire CRAWFORD Ann F 30 Female Servant Renfrewshire Piece: SCT1841/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley)-Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 12 Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 12 Page: 6 Address: Walkinshaw St, Johnstone -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks YOUNG Wilm M 33 Labourer Renfrewshire YOUNG Jean F 32 Renfrewshire YOUNG Ann F 15 Cotton Mill Renfrewshire YOUNG James M 13 Renfrewshire YOUNG Andrew M 11 Renfrewshire YOUNG George M 8 Renfrewshire YOUNG Wilm M 5 Renfrewshire YOUNG Jean F 3 Renfrewshire YOUNG Elizth F 4m Renfrewshire CONNEL John M 28 Shoe Maker Renfrewshire CONNEL Jean F 28 Renfrewshire CONNEL Elizth F 10 Renfrewshire CONNEL Jean F 1m Renfrewshire Piece: SCT1841/559 Place: Abbey (Paisley)-Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 11 Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 33 Page: 10 Address: 15 Thread St -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks YOUNG John M 34 Miller And Spirit Dealer Renfrewshire YOUNG Margret F 30 Renfrewshire YOUNG Mary F 12 Renfrewshire YOUNG Margret F 5 Renfrewshire YOUNG Jean F 3 Renfrewshire YOUNG Agnes F 1 Renfrewshire REID Archd. M 22 Miller Renfrewshire REID Christea F 16 Renfrewshire

Hi Can anyone help me with these places taken from 1830"s Directories of Paisley and surrounding area"s. 1) Barrhead Seminary,Barrhead. 2) Hawkwead, Houstoun. 3) Hardgate, Houstoun. cheers Bill.

Hi Ron: I am researching Johnston and Jamieson in Simcoe Twp., Ontario, Canada. I don't know if we're from the same Jamieson family or not! Believe it or not I met a woman today in Vernon, B.C. that is from the same Jamieson family. If you like please email me some info on your Jamieson line to my personal email. Heather Ron Hawthorne <[email protected]> wrote: G'day All, Have I missed something............?????????????????? I am also researching MUIR, JAMISON, & ORR Cheers Ron in Oz ("I use Archive CD Books to help with my research http://www.archivecdbooks.org"). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Mathieson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Muir, jamison, Orr > Hi Heather, > > The connection between Paisley and Guadalajara is that Paisley was once > the > World's leading town for the manufacture of sewing thread. There were 2 > huge > family businesses, the Clarks and the Coats, which eventually merged as > United Thread Mills Ltd, a subsidiary of J & P Coats Ltd, which is now > part > of the Coats Viyella Tootal group. By the end of the 19th century, lots of > countries were erecting tariff barriers to limit imports and foster local > industry. Mexico was one such, and one of the Paisley companies set up a > mill there (I'm not sure which), but in the 1960s & 70s when I worked for > Coats, they had a mill in Guadalajara and another in Mexico City, as well > as > in countless other places around the world. Some googling should yield > further info. > > I hope this helps, > > Ken Mathieson, > Uddingston SCT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mariposa Obsidian" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Muir, jamison, Orr > > >> Hi: Could someone place look ont the early census for me (Paisley) and > see if you can find the families of: >> >> Joseph Johnston (b. 1832 in Paisley, Scotland) >> Jean Young (b. 1838 in Paisley, Scotland). >> >> They both died in 1896 in Guadalajara Mexico. >> >> I am trying to research the family and find out how they ended up in > Guadalajara of all places! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Heather Hess nee Wilson >> >> >> >> Cualli Tonalli! >> Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. >> >> http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php >> http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ >> >> "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my >> life." - > Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 > > Cualli Tonalli! Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Hi: Could someone place look ont the early census for me (Paisley) and see if you can find the families of: Joseph Johnston (b. 1832 in Paisley, Scotland) Jean Young (b. 1838 in Paisley, Scotland). They both died in 1896 in Guadalajara Mexico. I am in Canada and don't have access to the early census - is there a 1841 census for Paisley? Thanks! Heather Hess nee Wilson Cualli Tonalli! Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Pardon me for butting in, but my 3rd Great Grandfather was stated as from Hawkhead Mills. He was a weaver./ Later a lady wrote to tell me that it was land once owned by the Earl of Ross, I believe. She said she grew up in that region. And there is only the remnants of the mill still there, but may be a Hawkhead Road. Sorry, I don't have the ladies address off hand. Maybe this will help. It is near Paisley and Glasgow, and I have seen it on some maps Barbara in BC [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.M.de Montalk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Renfrew] places > Dear Bill, > > What did you want to know about them? I can tell you that Hawkwead should > probably be Hawkhead, and a lot of land around Barrhead was originally owned > by Lord Ross of Hawkhead, including the mill which my Dunlop ancestors > worked. Later through marriage it passed into the ownership of the Earls of > Glasgow. > > Have you tried a Google search? There's quite a lot of information. > > Regards, > Jeanette. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "william baxter" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:21 AM > Subject: [Renfrew] places > > > > Hi > > Can anyone help me with these places taken from 1830"s Directories of > > Paisley and surrounding area"s. > > 1) Barrhead Seminary,Barrhead. > > 2) Hawkwead, Houstoun. > > 3) Hardgate, Houstoun. > > cheers > > Bill. > > > > >

Hi: Could someone place look ont the early census for me (Paisley) and see if you can find the families of: Joseph Johnston (b. 1832 in Paisley, Scotland) Jean Young (b. 1838 in Paisley, Scotland). They both died in 1896 in Guadalajara Mexico. I am trying to research the family and find out how they ended up in Guadalajara of all places! Thanks! Heather Hess nee Wilson Cualli Tonalli! Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free.

Thanks Alan!! My dating tends towards the approximate!! Jeanette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.W.Davidson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] Greenock MORROW family? > Jeanette, > Just to be strictly accurate the partition of Ireland into the Irish > Free State and Northern Ireland took place with a treaty in 1921. The > Irish Free State had dominion status (like Canada). > The Four Courts fire was in June 1922 and was during the civil war that > followed the partition of Ireland. > Alan > > > Alan W Davidson > Regional Manager for Europe > Courses - B700, B713, B823, B824, B825 > Open University Business School > *(extl): +44 7776250048 > * e-mail: [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: J.M.de Montalk [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 17 July 2006 08:35 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Greenock MORROW family? > > Dear Roxanne, > > Most of the Irish censuses were destroyed in 1922. You need to remember > that the country was only divided into Northern Ireland and the Irish > republic after this date so up until 1922 the whole country came under > British jurisdiction. I believe that some of the 1901 census has > survived but that's probably later than you'd need. > > Regards, > Jeanette. > > >> Is there a FreeCEN page for Northern Ireland? Our MORROWS lived in >> Greenock about 1900-1920, but I believe they came over from Northern >> Ireland. >> Many Thanks, >> Roxanne >> >>>-- >>>This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page >>>http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm >>>Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. >>> >>>Jack >>> >> >> > > >

Thanks Alan!! My dating tends towards the approximate!! Jeanette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.W.Davidson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [Renfrew] Greenock MORROW family? > Jeanette, > Just to be strictly accurate the partition of Ireland into the Irish > Free State and Northern Ireland took place with a treaty in 1921. The > Irish Free State had dominion status (like Canada). > The Four Courts fire was in June 1922 and was during the civil war that > followed the partition of Ireland. > Alan > > > Alan W Davidson > Regional Manager for Europe > Courses - B700, B713, B823, B824, B825 > Open University Business School > *(extl): +44 7776250048 > * e-mail: [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: J.M.de Montalk [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 17 July 2006 08:35 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Greenock MORROW family? > > Dear Roxanne, > > Most of the Irish censuses were destroyed in 1922. You need to remember > that the country was only divided into Northern Ireland and the Irish > republic after this date so up until 1922 the whole country came under > British jurisdiction. I believe that some of the 1901 census has > survived but that's probably later than you'd need. > > Regards, > Jeanette. > > >> Is there a FreeCEN page for Northern Ireland? Our MORROWS lived in >> Greenock about 1900-1920, but I believe they came over from Northern >> Ireland. >> Many Thanks, >> Roxanne >> >>>-- >>>This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page >>>http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm >>>Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. >>> >>>Jack >>> >> >> > > >

JAMES PATTISON MARY SHARP Marriage: 16 MAR 1816 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland -- some children -- THOMAS PATISON - Christening: 06 OCT 1816 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland JOHN PATTISON - Christening: 19 APR 1818 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland JAMES PATTISON - Christening: 13 AUG 1820 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland WILLIAM PATTISON - Christening: 15 DEC 1822 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland JANET PATTISON - Christening: 23 JAN 1825 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland ALEXANDER - abt 1827 Abbey? ROBERT PATISON - Christening: 06 MAR 1831 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew, Scotland MARY PATERSON - Christening: 16 FEB 1834 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew, Scotland ANDREW - abt 1836 Abbey? -- As some of the children are living with each other in 1851 i can only guess that their parents, James PATTISON & Mary SHARP have possibly died by then? ==== 1841 cens 559 Ed 20 p 3 (Abbey) Church Street, Johnstone. James PATTISON, 47, HLW, b RFW Mary PATTISON, 45, ------------b RFW James PATTISON, 15, labourer, b RFW William PATTISON, 15, cotton factory, b RFW Janet PATTISON, 14, cotton factory, b RFW Alex. PATTISON, 12, cotton factory, b RFW Robert PATTISON, 10, ----------------b RFW Mary PATTISON, 7, ------------------b RFW Andrew PATTISON, 4, ------------b RFW -- 1841 cens 559 Ed 16 p 2 (Abbey) High Street, Johntone. Thomas PATTESON, 20, cotton spinner, b RFW [it might be Pattison] Margt. GREENLEES, 20, semstress, b RFW James PATTESON, 5, ----------------b RFW Joseph PATTESON, 3, -------------b RFW Janet PATTESON, 1, -------------b RFW -- 1841 cens 559 Ed 20 p 4 (Abbey) Church Street, Johnstone. [next door to parents James & Mary] John PATTISON, 22, cotton spinner, b RFW Agness PATTISON, 20, muslin sewer, b RFW [Agnes Stewart ?] Janet PATTISON, 2, -------------------b RFW ==== 1851 cens 570 (550-1) Ed 4 p 3 (Lochwinnoch) Calder Street. Thomas PATTISON, head, marr, 33, cotton spinner, b Johnstone, RFW Margaret PATTISON, wife, marr, 33, spinners wife, b Lochwinnoch, RFW Jas. PATTISON, son, 14, cotton piecer, b Abbey Parish, Johnstone, RFW Jos. PATTISON, son, 13, cotton piecer, b Abbey Parish, Johnstone, RFW Janet PATTISON, daur, 12, scholar, b Abbey Parish, Johnstone, RFW John PATTISON, son, 9, scholar, b Abbey Parish, Johnstone, RFW Thos. PATTISON, son, 4, ----------b Lochwinnoch, RFW -- 1851 cens 573-4 (473) Ed 14 pp 18-19 (Abbey) William Street, Johnstone. John PATTISON, head, marr, 32, operative cotton spinner, b Johnstone, RFW Agnes PATTISON, wife, marr, 32, --------------b Lochwinnoch, RFW Janet PATTISON, daur, 12, scholar, b Johnstone, RFW James PATTISON, son, 6, scholar, b Johnstone, RFW Marion PATTISON, daur, 4, ---------------b Glasgow, LKS Mary PATTISON, sister, u/m 17, cotton throwster, b Lochwinnoch, RFW -- 1851 cens 570 (550-1) Ed 4 p 28 (Lochwinnoch) Field Houses. Wm. PATTISON, head, marr, 28, cotton spinner, b Abbey, Paisley, RFW Jane PATTISON, wife, marr, 22, spinner's wife, b Gibraltar. [Janet McDougal ?] Mary PATTISON, daur, 3, do's daur, b Kilbarchan, RFW Wm. PATTISON, son, 1, do's son, b Kilbarchan, RFW Alexr. PATTISON, brother, u/m 23, self acting mule worker, b Abbey Parish, Paisley, RFW Andrew PATTISON, brother, 15, mill worker, b Abbey Parish, Paisley, RFW ==== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Roxanne, Most of the Irish censuses were destroyed in 1922. You need to remember that the country was only divided into Northern Ireland and the Irish republic after this date so up until 1922 the whole country came under British jurisdiction. I believe that some of the 1901 census has survived but that's probably later than you'd need. Regards, Jeanette. > Is there a FreeCEN page for Northern Ireland? Our MORROWS lived in > Greenock about 1900-1920, but I believe they came over from Northern > Ireland. > Many Thanks, > Roxanne > >>-- >>This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page >>http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm >>Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. >> >>Jack >> > >

Jeanette, Just to be strictly accurate the partition of Ireland into the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland took place with a treaty in 1921. The Irish Free State had dominion status (like Canada). The Four Courts fire was in June 1922 and was during the civil war that followed the partition of Ireland. Alan Alan W Davidson Regional Manager for Europe Courses - B700, B713, B823, B824, B825 Open University Business School *(extl): +44 7776250048 * e-mail: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: J.M.de Montalk [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 17 July 2006 08:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Renfrew] Greenock MORROW family? Dear Roxanne, Most of the Irish censuses were destroyed in 1922. You need to remember that the country was only divided into Northern Ireland and the Irish republic after this date so up until 1922 the whole country came under British jurisdiction. I believe that some of the 1901 census has survived but that's probably later than you'd need. Regards, Jeanette. > Is there a FreeCEN page for Northern Ireland? Our MORROWS lived in > Greenock about 1900-1920, but I believe they came over from Northern > Ireland. > Many Thanks, > Roxanne > >>-- >>This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page >>http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm >>Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. >> >>Jack >> > >

Dear Jeanette ~ Thank you for the information. Being from California is no excuse, but my understanding of Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English history is sorely lacking. But bit by bit, thanks to folks like you, I have been fortunate enough to find some information on George Morrow & Isabella Kennedy who were married about 1900 probably in Belfast, Ireland. They then must have moved to Greenock, Scotland where one of their children was born in 1907. This child born in 1907 was Thomas Rowen Morrow who was my sons' paternal grandfather. He was named after his father's brother, the Thomas Rowan Morrow who died with the Titanic in 1912. This has been a most difficult search but well worth the effort! Thank you so much! Roxanne Myers [Morrow] Neel Cedarpines Park, California, USA J.M.de Montalk wrote: > Dear Roxanne, > > Most of the Irish censuses were destroyed in 1922. You need to > remember that the country was only divided into Northern Ireland and > the Irish republic after this date so up until 1922 the whole country > came under British jurisdiction. I believe that some of the 1901 > census has survived but that's probably later than you'd need. > > Regards, > Jeanette. > > >> Is there a FreeCEN page for Northern Ireland? Our MORROWS lived in >> Greenock about 1900-1920, but I believe they came over from Northern >> Ireland. >> Many Thanks, >> Roxanne >> >>> -- >>> This is the Scottish FreeCEN Status Page >>> http://www.freewebs.com/mmjeffery/index.htm >>> Greenock 1851 isn't yet uploaded. >>> >>> Jack >>> >> >> > > >