Thanks to Frank McGonigal for his suggestion, I will certainly have a look at Des Garrity's web site and look into it. I knew I would get some answers. Thanks a lot. Irene in NZ >

Looking for information on Poorhouses in Govan 1897 Alexander Ross died in Govan Poorhouse 1897 Would like to learn more. Can anyone give me an idea how to find out how he died Irene in Hamilton NZ

Dear John, My Dunlop family all originated in Neilston, and I have a friend who lives in Barrhead and has looked at the churchyard for me, and he says that very few gravestones are legible. Jeanette. ---- John Carswell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Irene, > > Thank you for your welcome information on church burials > . The fact that there was not a headstone erected in many cases leads me to > think that there may have been a burial plan of the churchyard for the > sextons to follow otherwise it may have been chaos ?. > > I have two great uncles who left estates in 1878/9 of > over 3000 pounds & 791 pounds respectively who do not appear to have > gravestones in Neilston so it must not only be a financial choice. > > All the best , > > John Carswell Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:51 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Renfrewshire Burial Customs > > > > > > In a message dated 15/10/2006 21:56:20 GMT Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 & 1800's > > in > > Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston district during > > this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are found in the > > Neilston > > churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there without headstones or > > buried > > on their farms as can be the custom in rural Australia ?. > > > > > > > > Hi John > > > > Burials would take place in the churchyard ..with the possible exception > > of > > a few families with very large estates ...burials did not take place on > > private land. Many burials did not have a marker of any sort. Some may > > have been > > marked with wood but these did not survive. Even those headstones which > > were > > erected did not always survive in a good enough condition to be legible to > > 20th century transcribers. Even today burials take place and headstones > > are not > > erected ...they cost money in the past and they cost money now! <g> > > > > Irene > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Irene, Thank you for your welcome information on church burials . The fact that there was not a headstone erected in many cases leads me to think that there may have been a burial plan of the churchyard for the sextons to follow otherwise it may have been chaos ?. I have two great uncles who left estates in 1878/9 of over 3000 pounds & 791 pounds respectively who do not appear to have gravestones in Neilston so it must not only be a financial choice. All the best , John Carswell Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Renfrewshire Burial Customs > > In a message dated 15/10/2006 21:56:20 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 & 1800's > in > Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston district during > this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are found in the > Neilston > churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there without headstones or > buried > on their farms as can be the custom in rural Australia ?. > > > > Hi John > > Burials would take place in the churchyard ..with the possible exception > of > a few families with very large estates ...burials did not take place on > private land. Many burials did not have a marker of any sort. Some may > have been > marked with wood but these did not survive. Even those headstones which > were > erected did not always survive in a good enough condition to be legible to > 20th century transcribers. Even today burials take place and headstones > are not > erected ...they cost money in the past and they cost money now! <g> > > Irene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Shell, My3Xggrandfather was James Maxwell Sharp, born Lochwinnoch 1819, father William Sharp, mother Sarah Maxwell. William may have been born in Ireland or Neilston. His father, according to death cert, was Peter Sharp and his mother Mary Boyd although these names were not carried on, as was the usual custom. James Maxwell S was obviously named after his maternal grandfather. If you think there is a connection let me know. regards Johan Lochridge ----- Original Message ---- From: Shell Leo <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 20 October, 2006 8:53:34 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Sharp/Pattison from Lochwinnoch hi just posting to see if anyone is researching the Pattison/sharp family from Lochwinnoch thanks Michele

Hi john, I have a Jean Carswell connected to my family. She was the 2nd wife of my 4th great-grandfather. Do you think she could be connected to your family? Every blessing Christine Descendants of James Robertson 1 [1] James Robertson 1782 - 1862 Age at death: 80 est. d: 15 January 1862 in 41 Gordons Lane, Paisley, Renfrew .. +Elizabeth Leckie - 1851 Married: in See notes Age at death: ? d: Bef. 1851 *2nd Wife of [1] James Robertson: .. +Jean Carswell 1793 - 1882 Married: 20 October 1851 in High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Age at death: 89 est. d: 7 February 1882 in 139 George Street, Paisley, Renfrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.8/489 - Release Date: 20/10/2006

I highly recommend Des Garrity,his web site is at ... http://www.desgarrity.co.uk/61c.html Alexander probably made a 'Poor Law Application',which is sometimes a wealth of information There is a fee of course,but it's well worth the price. Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Polkinghorne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Poorhouse in Govan 1897 > Looking for information on Poorhouses in Govan 1897 > Alexander Ross died in Govan Poorhouse 1897 > Would like to learn more. > Can anyone give me an idea how to find out how he died > > Irene in Hamilton NZ > >

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In a message dated 15/10/2006 21:56:20 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 & 1800's in Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston district during this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are found in the Neilston churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there without headstones or buried on their farms as can be the custom in rural Australia ?. Hi John Burials would take place in the churchyard ..with the possible exception of a few families with very large estates ...burials did not take place on private land. Many burials did not have a marker of any sort. Some may have been marked with wood but these did not survive. Even those headstones which were erected did not always survive in a good enough condition to be legible to 20th century transcribers. Even today burials take place and headstones are not erected ...they cost money in the past and they cost money now! <g> Irene

Dear List - Have transcribed a bunch of BMD registrations I've accumulated over the years. Perhaps they would be of interest to your searching. The "links" to them are at the top of my home page. I would welcome any corrections/questions you may have. I have copies of all the originals so I can refer to them for you. Good luck. Mike Glynn Chesapeake, Virginia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~glynn1935/McRae/Index.html

Hello John I was wondering if you had an Archibald Carswell in your tree. He emigrated to Australia and married Margaret Lawson in 1886 settling west of Gympie to run a Jersey Stud. Archibald was born before Jan 1859 and his father was John. As you are also in Australia, I wondered if there's a connection. Cheers Margaret Silvester ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Carswell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Renfrewshire Burial Customs > Hello List, > > Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 > & 1800's in Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston > district during this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are > found in the Neilston churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there > without headstones or buried on their farms as can be the custom in rural > Australia ?. > > With thanks , > > John Carswell. Interests ,Carswell Howie, Stevenson > ,Gemmell, McKay,Kirkwood ,Craig, Young & Mitchell of Neilston. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather Rootsweb lists do not allow attachments of any kind. The options I can think of are Upload pictures to a web site and send the link to it in your posting or Send the picture to the person(s) that might be interested off list Lastly (and have not fully tried it but checked it up to sending) you can send attachments to Rootsweb Boards, if you go to Rootsweb Home Page http://www.rootsweb.com/ Select message boards Then search for Renfrew, then Boards > Localities > United Kingdom and Ireland > Scotland > Renfrewshire Then "General" Selecting Post New Message opens a new posting and at the bottom is an option to attach an item(s) You would need to register if you are not already Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Hi: That last message re: Young & Johnston won't make sense - I tried to send 2 photos to the list but it didn't work - is there any way to share photos with the listeros? Thanks! Heather

Hello List, Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 & 1800's in Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston district during this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are found in the Neilston churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there without headstones or buried on their farms as can be the custom in rural Australia ?. With thanks , John Carswell. Interests ,Carswell Howie, Stevenson ,Gemmell, McKay,Kirkwood ,Craig, Young & Mitchell of Neilston.

Hi John Gravestones have always been for the somewhat better off, there are far more buried without them than with. There are no doubt some buried on their own land but a tiny minority I would say. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Hello List, > > Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 > & 1800's in Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston > district during this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are > found in the Neilston churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there > without headstones or buried on their farms as can be the custom in rural > Australia ?. > > With thanks , > > John Carswell. Interests ,Carswell Howie, Stevenson > ,Gemmell, McKay,Kirkwood ,Craig, Young & Mitchell of Neilston.

The way I understand it..one is not allowed to send photos to any lists, as they are attachments and could invite the bad guys in. Barb in BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariposa Obsidian" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] Renfrewshire Burial Customs Hi: That last message re: Young & Johnston won't make sense - I tried to send 2 photos to the list but it didn't work - is there any way to share photos with the listeros? Thanks! Heather John Carswell <[email protected]> wrote: Hello List, Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 & 1800's in Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston district during this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are found in the Neilston churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there without headstones or buried on their farms as can be the custom in rural Australia ?. With thanks , John Carswell. Interests ,Carswell Howie, Stevenson ,Gemmell, McKay,Kirkwood ,Craig, Young & Mitchell of Neilston. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cualli Tonalli! Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: That last message re: Young & Johnston won't make sense - I tried to send 2 photos to the list but it didn't work - is there any way to share photos with the listeros? Thanks! Heather John Carswell <[email protected]> wrote: Hello List, Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 & 1800's in Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston district during this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are found in the Neilston churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there without headstones or buried on their farms as can be the custom in rural Australia ?. With thanks , John Carswell. Interests ,Carswell Howie, Stevenson ,Gemmell, McKay,Kirkwood ,Craig, Young & Mitchell of Neilston. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cualli Tonalli! Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Hi John: You may be interested in the attached photos. I live in Guadalajara and Canada and in May I visited Guadalajara's oldest cemetery - the Belen. Jean Young and Joseph Johnston of Paisley, Scotland are buried there. I hope it's your family. I can tell the list more about the stone if you're interested! Heather John Carswell <[email protected]> wrote: Hello List, Could anyone shed some light on the burial customs on the 1700 & 1800's in Renfrewshire. Many Carswells farmed & died in the Neilston district during this period but only a very few Carswell gravestones are found in the Neilston churchyard. Were they likely to be buried there without headstones or buried on their farms as can be the custom in rural Australia ?. With thanks , John Carswell. Interests ,Carswell Howie, Stevenson ,Gemmell, McKay,Kirkwood ,Craig, Young & Mitchell of Neilston. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cualli Tonalli! Mariposita Obsidiana, P.A. http://www.thelensflare.com/u_mariposa.php http://mariposadreaming.blogspot.com/ "I am an amateur and I intend to stay that way for the rest of my life." - Andre Kertesz, Hungary, 1930 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Chris I am interested in your AGNES LECKIE do you have any more on her. Leckies connect o my BENNIE line in Stirling.. Irene in Hamilton NZ >

Descendants of John A. Leckie 1 John A. Leckie 1847 - 1920 b: May-1847 in Scotland d: Bet. 1920 - 1930 in Troy, Rennseler Co., New York . +Susie Borden 1851 - 1925 b: February-1851 in New York, New York d: 27-November-1925 in Troy, Rennseler Co., New York ........... 2 William J. Leckie 1879 - b: Abt. 1879 in Troy, Rennseler Co., New York ........... 2 Isabelle Mae Leckie 1871 - 1956 b: 02-September-1871 in Troy, Rennseler Co., New York d: 17-March-1956 in Shamokin, Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania ............... +John Brown 1873 - 1942 b: 21-November-1873 in Paterson, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: 27-October-1942 in Shamokin, Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania m: 04-October-1899 in Jersey City, Hudson Co., New Jersey Father: William Brown 2nd Mother: Euphemia Brown Census: 03-June-1880 #178/Pg.13/sup dist.83/enum. dist.158 ......................... 3 Jean Isabelle Brown 1900 - 1988 b: 06-September-1900 in Summit, New Jersey d: 30-August-1988 in Shamokin, Pennsylvania ............................. +William John Deibler 1898 - 1976 b: 31-October-1898 d: 10-October-1976 in Shamokin, Pennsylvania m: 22-February-1922 in Shamokin, Pennsylvania Father: Frances Marlin Deibler Mother: Anna Maria Ewing ......................... 3 Bernice Lucille Brown 1903 - 1984 b: 07-January-1903 in Paterson, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: June-1984 in Shamokin, Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania ............................. +Robert Peter Dockey 1904 - 1991 b: 07-November-1904 d: 04-April-1991 m: 19-August-1926 Father: Oscar Dockey ......................... 3 Ruth Agnes Brown 1904 - 1987 b: 04-November-1904 in Paterson, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: March-1987 in Danville, Montour, Pennsylvania ............................. +Paul Roosevelt Jones 1904 - 1976 b: 29-February-1904 in Pennsylvania d: 10-October-1976 in Shamokin, Pennsylvania m: 17-September-1924 Father: David J. Jones Mother: Maud Bessie Keiser ......................... 3 Donald Brown 1909 - b: 29-April-1909 d: in Ft Meyers, Florida ............................. +Dorothy Readley d: in Ft Meyers, Florida ......................... 3 Isabelle Mary Brown 1912 - 1980 b: 12-September-1912 in Paterson, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: Aft. 1980 ............................. +Donald A. Reese 1910 - b: 05-September-1910 m: 28-August-1933 Keith W Brown Indianapolis IN http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/o/Keith-W-Brown

Hi all, Was just wondering if there were any rels still in Refrewshire. The children of David,Occu.Baker and Agnes Mackie nee Leckie were..... Mary Robert Alexander David Elizabeth Agnes Marion (she belongs to me,came to Aus,Tasmania) William Margaret George They were born in Neilston between abt 1826 - 1842. I have the family in both the 1841 and 1851 census' Hope someone has this family in their tree. Regards Chris Vic.Aus