Hello, My ancestor, John Webb, is listed in the 1841 Census as a general dealer living in Shaw St, Greenock. His wife, Susan, and three children James, Elizabeth and Catherine, aren't listed because that year they sailed (without him) for Port Phillip (now Melbourne) Australia on the ship Ariadne. John Webb isn't listed in the 1851 Census at Greenock. I wonder if he died. I think he was Catholic. Does anyone have access to death or burial records for the 1840s and 1850s for Greenock and could they do a look-up for me? John Webb is often listed as a poulterer. The 1841 Census said he was born in Ireland. Thanks. Carolyn Webb Melbourne, Australia. The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files.

Hi all, Reposting my surname interests specifically William Smith ( born possibly 1776) and his wife Jean Taylor. They had the following children some of whom were born in Paisley - 1. William- oldest, killed in Battle of New Orleans 2. David - fought in the Battle of Waterloo 3. Robert - a weaver 4. John - born June 1809,a toll-gate keeper or weaver, youngest son, came to Canada, married Janet Blair of Beith 5. Jean - married to John MacDonald who later came to Canada, born in Lochwinnoch 6. Janet - married to Mr. Patterson and later died of cholera ( 2 children to Canada and 2 to Australia) Linda Ontario, Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/06

Is there anyone on this list who might be able to find a grave for me at Hawkhead Cemetery in Paisley please. It's Lair No 86 Section F The names on the grave are: 26 March 1900 Allan McNab 22 years 28 april 1911 Mary Farmer 76 years 16 April 1913 Elizabeth Fraser 73 years 19 Dec 1941 Alexander McNab 82 years 6 Oct 1947 Margaret McNab 86 years Thank you, Sandy (Australia)

Thankyou for looking all that up. YEs these are my ancestors. I have long wondered about Thomas' birth date - there is only one that is near it in Yorkshire and that is in Selby in 1786. He died at the age of 59 in 1845 which would place him in that year.... do you think that would be more accurate than the 1841 census which rounded up its dates? Kind regards, Katherine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Muirhead" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] "Ravenshall" > Katherine, > > Ravenshall is a frequently used place name, I've run across it several > times on > both John Ainslie's and John Thomson's pre 1898 Ordnance maps in many > parishes. > Not as common as Crosshill, Crosshall or Crosshouse, but still common > enough. > > A quick peek at the 1841 census shows the family living at 90 West Street > in > Gorbals. > > Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Gorbals -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 99 > Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Gorbals > Folio: 98 Page: 1 > Address: 90 West Street > > Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks > NEWTON Thos M 52 Iron Moulder England > NEWTON Helen F 42 Lanarkshire > NEWTON Mary F 18 Lanarkshire > NEWTON Ann F 16 Lanarkshire Page: 98/2 > NEWTON Sarah F 14 Outside Census County (1841) > NEWTON Thos M 12 Outside Census County (1841) > NEWTON Helen F 8 Lanarkshire > NEWTON Hanah F 5 Lanarkshire > NEWTON John M 3 Lanarkshire > BROWN Elizabeth F 18 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841) > > There also happens to be a Thomas Newton who married Helen McLoun > 01-JUL-1822 > in Glasgow. The only Thomas Newton and a "Helen" tying the knot so to > speak, > within the time span of Mary's birth. Scot's People should be able to > verify > and clear this up. You might also wish to check the 1851 and 1861 census > as > well. > > The IGI also shows a couple of Thomas Newton's being born in Yorkshire, > one in > 1791 the other 1785. If the enumerator of the 1841 census got it right > then > the 1791 would make sense providing of course all the births of a Thomas > Newton > in Yorkshire during this period were captured and transcribed. > > Cheers!!! > > Don Muirhead > Port Dover, ON CA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

BUT if you find ages over 15 are random and not all to the nearest five, you may find the enumerator has ignored the rules laid down, I have found many did (thankfully <g>). Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > 1841 census ages. > I save this in my drafts folder because it always comes up every now and > again. > ~~~~~~~ > Directions to Enumerators. > For infants under one year of age,state the number of months. >>From one year to 15 state the age on the last birthday. > For persons 15 years and upwards,write as follows,instead of the > exact age. > For persons between the ages of ---> > 15 and 20 write 15 > 20 " 25 " 20

Dear John, Many thanks for replying to my query - the entries uyou sent me tie in with some information I already have but thank you for your effort. And yes the John Hall 1881 census is my ancestor:-) I believe there may be a Ravenshall near Eaglesham..........? Katherine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Carswell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] "Ravenshall" > Hello Katherine, > > The only Ravenshall I can find in the 1881 Lowland > Census is in Kirkudbright. Please see below . > > Regards, > > John Carswell. Interests Carswell > ,Howie,Stevenson, Gemmell, McKay, farmers ,Neilston Parish.Also McLuckie. > > Dwelling: Ravenshall Bar > Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 4 Page > 12 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Elizabeth KELVIE OR FISHER W 96 F Anwoth, Kirkcudbright, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Retired Soldiers Widow > > Dwelling: Ravenshall Bar > Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 4 Page > 12 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Mary MC CULLOCH W 67 F Balmaghie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Grocer > Robert MC CULLOCH U 32 M Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright, Scotland > Rel: Son Handicap: Imbecile > Occ: Gardener (Unemployed) > > Dwelling: Ravenshall Inn > Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 4 Page > 12 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Jane (Miss) MC DONALD U 47 F Glen Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Innkeeper > Maggie LINDSAY U 23 F Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright, Scotland > Rel: Niece > Occ: Joint Innkeeper > John AIRLEY M 65 M Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland > Rel: Serv > Occ: Ag Lab > > Dwelling: 17 Clifford St > Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0203685 GRO Ref Volume 646-1 EnumDist 13 > Page > 18 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > John NEWTON M 44 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Soapmaker Master Emp 9 Men > Jemima NEWTON M 44 F Laurieston, Stirling, Scotland > Rel: Wife > Thomas NEWTON U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Son > Occ: Accountant > Jean R. NEWTON U 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Helen NEWTON 16 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Alexander W. NEWTON 13 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Jemima M. NEWTON 10 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > Jessie NEWTON 7 F Broomhouse, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Daur > Occ: Scholar > John NEWTON 3 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland > Rel: Son > Mary MC LERMAN U 22 F Islay > Rel: Servant > Occ: Cook > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katherine O'Regan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM > Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] "Ravenshall" > > >> Hello; I am a newby to the list and researching the name NEWTON. My gt >> grandfather John Hall Newton came to NZ from Glasgow in 1884 and named >> his >> home, that of a former premier of NZ, in Wellington "Ravenshall" after a >> house "south of Glasgow". I wonder if any of the listers can recall a >> house >> of that name. >> >> Originally we believed that the name was from a family home in Yorkshire >> from whence John Halls father, Thomas Newton came, but on reading my >> mothers >> diaries recently she revealed that the name came from a house "south of >> Glasgow." The Newtons lived in and around the Gorbals in the mid to late >> 1800's. Thomas Newton had been an Ironfounder/moulder and John Hall >> Newton >> became a soap manufacturer both in Glasgow and in Scotland. JHN's brother >> in >> law Alexander WHITELAW was also a soap manufacturer and his older brother >> Thomas jnr was a brass founder near Gourock. >> I am trying to find this house! >> Many thanks, >> Katherine O'Regan nee Newton >> New Zealand. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello; I am a newby to the list and researching the name NEWTON. My gt grandfather John Hall Newton came to NZ from Glasgow in 1884 and named his home, that of a former premier of NZ, in Wellington "Ravenshall" after a house "south of Glasgow". I wonder if any of the listers can recall a house of that name. Originally we believed that the name was from a family home in Yorkshire from whence John Halls father, Thomas Newton came, but on reading my mothers diaries recently she revealed that the name came from a house "south of Glasgow." The Newtons lived in and around the Gorbals in the mid to late 1800's. Thomas Newton had been an Ironfounder/moulder and John Hall Newton became a soap manufacturer both in Glasgow and in Scotland. JHN's brother in law Alexander WHITELAW was also a soap manufacturer and his older brother Thomas jnr was a brass founder near Gourock. I am trying to find this house! Many thanks, Katherine O'Regan nee Newton New Zealand.

Fw: [D-G LIST] 1841 census Hi 1841 census ages. I save this in my drafts folder because it always comes up every now and again. ~~~~~~~ Directions to Enumerators. For infants under one year of age,state the number of months. >From one year to 15 state the age on the last birthday. For persons 15 years and upwards,write as follows,instead of the exact age. For persons between the ages of ---> 15 and 20 write 15 20 " 25 " 20 25 " 30 " 25 30 " 35 " 30 35 " 40 " 35 40 " 45 " 40 45 " 50 " 45 50 " 55 " 50 55 " 60 " 55 60 " 65 " 60 65 " 70 " 65 70 " 75 " 70 No instructions for those over 75 but I imagine it follows the same procedure. Frank McGonigal Ont Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello Katherine, The only Ravenshall I can find in the 1881 Lowland Census is in Kirkudbright. Please see below . Regards, John Carswell. Interests Carswell ,Howie,Stevenson, Gemmell, McKay, farmers ,Neilston Parish.Also McLuckie. Dwelling: Ravenshall Bar Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 4 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizabeth KELVIE OR FISHER W 96 F Anwoth, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Retired Soldiers Widow Dwelling: Ravenshall Bar Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 4 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary MC CULLOCH W 67 F Balmaghie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Robert MC CULLOCH U 32 M Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Handicap: Imbecile Occ: Gardener (Unemployed) Dwelling: Ravenshall Inn Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 4 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Jane (Miss) MC DONALD U 47 F Glen Urquhart, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Innkeeper Maggie LINDSAY U 23 F Kirkmabreck, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Joint Innkeeper John AIRLEY M 65 M Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Ag Lab Dwelling: 17 Clifford St Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203685 GRO Ref Volume 646-1 EnumDist 13 Page 18 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John NEWTON M 44 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Soapmaker Master Emp 9 Men Jemima NEWTON M 44 F Laurieston, Stirling, Scotland Rel: Wife Thomas NEWTON U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Accountant Jean R. NEWTON U 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Helen NEWTON 16 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alexander W. NEWTON 13 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Jemima M. NEWTON 10 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jessie NEWTON 7 F Broomhouse, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John NEWTON 3 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Mary MC LERMAN U 22 F Islay Rel: Servant Occ: Cook ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine O'Regan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] "Ravenshall" > Hello; I am a newby to the list and researching the name NEWTON. My gt > grandfather John Hall Newton came to NZ from Glasgow in 1884 and named > his > home, that of a former premier of NZ, in Wellington "Ravenshall" after a > house "south of Glasgow". I wonder if any of the listers can recall a > house > of that name. > > Originally we believed that the name was from a family home in Yorkshire > from whence John Halls father, Thomas Newton came, but on reading my > mothers > diaries recently she revealed that the name came from a house "south of > Glasgow." The Newtons lived in and around the Gorbals in the mid to late > 1800's. Thomas Newton had been an Ironfounder/moulder and John Hall Newton > became a soap manufacturer both in Glasgow and in Scotland. JHN's brother > in > law Alexander WHITELAW was also a soap manufacturer and his older brother > Thomas jnr was a brass founder near Gourock. > I am trying to find this house! > Many thanks, > Katherine O'Regan nee Newton > New Zealand. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In a message dated 09/12/2006 05:08:30 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: than the 1841 census which rounded up its dates? The 1841 census rounded the ages down not up..............thus the 15, 17 and 19 year old children would all be in as aged 15; the 49 year old father as 45.

Katherine, Ravenshall is a frequently used place name, I've run across it several times on both John Ainslie's and John Thomson's pre 1898 Ordnance maps in many parishes. Not as common as Crosshill, Crosshall or Crosshouse, but still common enough. A quick peek at the 1841 census shows the family living at 90 West Street in Gorbals. Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Gorbals -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 99 Civil Parish: Gorbals Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Gorbals Folio: 98 Page: 1 Address: 90 West Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks NEWTON Thos M 52 Iron Moulder England NEWTON Helen F 42 Lanarkshire NEWTON Mary F 18 Lanarkshire NEWTON Ann F 16 Lanarkshire Page: 98/2 NEWTON Sarah F 14 Outside Census County (1841) NEWTON Thos M 12 Outside Census County (1841) NEWTON Helen F 8 Lanarkshire NEWTON Hanah F 5 Lanarkshire NEWTON John M 3 Lanarkshire BROWN Elizabeth F 18 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841) There also happens to be a Thomas Newton who married Helen McLoun 01-JUL-1822 in Glasgow. The only Thomas Newton and a "Helen" tying the knot so to speak, within the time span of Mary's birth. Scot's People should be able to verify and clear this up. You might also wish to check the 1851 and 1861 census as well. The IGI also shows a couple of Thomas Newton's being born in Yorkshire, one in 1791 the other 1785. If the enumerator of the 1841 census got it right then the 1791 would make sense providing of course all the births of a Thomas Newton in Yorkshire during this period were captured and transcribed. Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA

Hi ! WELL, my LINDSAY ancestors lived and owned "Ravenshall" for at least three generations of Lindsays. My Grandmother was married there and her Father was the owner. In those times, I believe it was an INN I have a book called Exploring Scotland;s heritage, in which it states that it was thought to originally be the gatekeepers house for the KIRKDALE HOUSE. In modern times I think it was turned into a bed and breakfast. It should be easy to find in any touristy brochure, It is south of Glasgow. I believe it was approximately 1 mile north up the coast from Gatehouse of Fleet,KKD, and believed to be where the smugglers caves were. I have a bit of literature on it, but I have a vision problem, I can see ,but it is difficult to type long passages. Ask at Dumfries and Galloway Genealogy Society, I am sure they know all about it. Feel free to write again. Barbara (Harper) Logan. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine O'Regan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] "Ravenshall" > Hello; I am a newby to the list and researching the name NEWTON. My gt > grandfather John Hall Newton came to NZ from Glasgow in 1884 and named his > home, that of a former premier of NZ, in Wellington "Ravenshall" after a > house "south of Glasgow". I wonder if any of the listers can recall a house > of that name. > > Originally we believed that the name was from a family home in Yorkshire > from whence John Halls father, Thomas Newton came, but on reading my mothers > diaries recently she revealed that the name came from a house "south of > Glasgow." The Newtons lived in and around the Gorbals in the mid to late > 1800's. Thomas Newton had been an Ironfounder/moulder and John Hall Newton > became a soap manufacturer both in Glasgow and in Scotland. JHN's brother in > law Alexander WHITELAW was also a soap manufacturer and his older brother > Thomas jnr was a brass founder near Gourock. > I am trying to find this house! > Many thanks, > Katherine O'Regan nee Newton > New Zealand. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bonnie, Apologies for the slow response. The Scottish 1881 census is available on C D Rom discs, and can be purchased as part of the English 1881 Census or is available in FH libraries. I found your Bell family there as follows. 1881 census: New Monkland, Lanark 6 Hallcraig St. GRO Ref 651-1 E.D. 18 Pg 4 Ann BELL Head Housekeeper Widow 45 Ireland John do Son Butcher Un. 25 Airdrie Annie do Dau. Nil 15 do William do Son Scholar 11 do Andrew do Son do 8 do Note Ann Bell is recorded as a Widow, and you have children born since 1861. To find the christening or birth of children go to www.familysearch.org I found two children there: Ann Bell, bn 1860 & Fanny in 1856 Both give the mother's maiden name. These were extracted from the parish records by volunteers. I'll leave the fun of checking them out to you. Hit the Batch number and put in your family name and, you will see there are quite a number of "Bells" in that area. New Momkland is close to Airdrie, if I remember right. Note with Fanny's information there is information submitted buy someone, possibly a descendant, giving more details about Fanny in the Pedigree Resource file. The mother's name is spelled differently. I'd go with the familysearch spelling as they were taken from the parish record. (which admittedly could have been given phonetically and been misspelled) Anyway, I hope this is helpful, Don. Wilson A.G. P.S. If I can help anyone else with look-ups on the Scottish 1881 Census, send me your info, but be prepared to be patient. :-)

Hi Bonnie Sorry to take so long, other things to do :-( > So you're saying that there is NO Census images for Scotland? There are images on Scotlands People but the Scots GRO have it so as you cannot get access without either using their site or visiting Scotland. So Ancestry have the next best thing in the transcription. With the ability to try all sorts of combinations it allows much more to be tried that would simply cost to much on Scotlands People as they have their search engine dummed down to get more income. > I was looking for John Bell (born Ireland) c.1832 living in Stevenston, > Ayrshire in 1861 OR still in Airdrie, Lanarkshire with wife Ann. See below > I have the Ancestry subscription for Canada, to include Britain, it works > out to about $400. Ridiculous price per person. Its 69gbp for the UK Ancestry, how much is Canada ? Here looks like your man although the birth year is way off, does it look like yours? the age could be mistranscribed, only way to check is get the image. Registration Number: 615 Registration district: Stevenston Civil parish: Stevenston County: Ayrshire Address: No 19 Main St ED: 2 Page: 28 Household schedule number: 169 Line: 17 Roll: CSSCT1861_90 John BELLs Occupation: Coal Miner John Bell abt 1824 Ireland Head Stevenston Ayrshire Ann Bell abt 1828 Ireland Wife Stevenston Ayrshire Ann Bell abt 1860 Airdrie, Lanarkshire Daughter Stevenston Ayrshire Farny Bell abt 1857 Airdrie, Lanarkshire Daughter Stevenston Ayrshire Ester Bell abt 1854 Airdrie, Lanarkshire Daughter Stevenston Ayrshire (presume Farny is Fanny?) There is a Fanny BELL registered 1857 and an Ann registered 1860 Airdrie on Scotlands People that would tell you a lot more, its also worth checking the 1861 enumerators page as it may give you more, sometimes a birth place in Ireland? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists

G'day Bonnie, I went & had a look, it doesn't say they are free ! It says + New Index & * Free, which implies that the 1851 & 1861 Scots Census are New, & the 1881 & 1901 are Free. Cheers Ron in Oz ("I use Archive CD Books to help with my research http://www.archivecdbooks.org"). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Cole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 & 1861 Scottish Census online @ ancestry > Hello Nivard: > > So you're saying that there is NO Census images for Scotland? When I went > into that section, I had clicked on Scotland, so I assumed there was > something there. It said Free and I thought it was Free. Not so I guess, > but I don't know why they would say that. > > I was looking for John Bell (born Ireland) c.1832 living in Stevenston, > Ayrshire in 1861 OR still in Airdrie, Lanarkshire with wife Ann. > > I have the Ancestry subscription for Canada, to include Britain, it works > out to about $400. Ridiculous price per person. > > Thanks if you can find him for me. > > Bonnie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 & 1861 Scottish Census online @ ancestry > > >> Hi Bonnie >> >> No you are doing nothing wrong, the transcriptions are part of the UK >> subscription (no images in Scotland) >> >> If you let me know who it is you are wanting the transcription for I can >> take a peek for you >> >> Remember 1841 has either born in County enumerated or Scotland if born >> out >> of County enumerated in , 1851 and 1861 has the birthplace (given it was >> on >> the schedule of course) >> >> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >> Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists >> >> >> >> >>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I put the same in the right place and >>> then >>> get at least one page ALL with the same name and to look at each one I >>> have >>> to click on a link (I forget what they're called) and when I do that, I >>> get >>> a page saying that I should buy a larger subscription, but I'm not >>> allowed >>> to see them. >>> >>> Maybe it's because I have a small subscription for Canada only, but I >>> thought this was available to everyone. >>> >>> Bonnie >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe [email protected] from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 > 1:12 PM >

Thanks Ron, I don't know how I could have thought it was Free, nothing ever is. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hawthorne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 & 1861 Scottish Census online @ ancestry > G'day Bonnie, > > I went & had a look, it doesn't say they are free ! > > It says + New Index & * Free, which implies that the 1851 & 1861 Scots > Census are New, & the 1881 & 1901 are Free. > > Cheers > > Ron in Oz > > ("I use Archive CD Books to help with my research > http://www.archivecdbooks.org"). > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Cole" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:38 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 & 1861 Scottish Census online @ ancestry > > >> Hello Nivard: >> >> So you're saying that there is NO Census images for Scotland? When I >> went >> into that section, I had clicked on Scotland, so I assumed there was >> something there. It said Free and I thought it was Free. Not so I guess, >> but I don't know why they would say that. >> >> I was looking for John Bell (born Ireland) c.1832 living in Stevenston, >> Ayrshire in 1861 OR still in Airdrie, Lanarkshire with wife Ann. >> >> I have the Ancestry subscription for Canada, to include Britain, it works >> out to about $400. Ridiculous price per person. >> >> Thanks if you can find him for me. >> >> Bonnie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 & 1861 Scottish Census online @ ancestry >> >> >>> Hi Bonnie >>> >>> No you are doing nothing wrong, the transcriptions are part of the UK >>> subscription (no images in Scotland) >>> >>> If you let me know who it is you are wanting the transcription for I can >>> take a peek for you >>> >>> Remember 1841 has either born in County enumerated or Scotland if born >>> out >>> of County enumerated in , 1851 and 1861 has the birthplace (given it was >>> on >>> the schedule of course) >>> >>> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >>> Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I put the same in the right place and >>>> then >>>> get at least one page ALL with the same name and to look at each one I >>>> have >>>> to click on a link (I forget what they're called) and when I do that, I >>>> get >>>> a page saying that I should buy a larger subscription, but I'm not >>>> allowed >>>> to see them. >>>> >>>> Maybe it's because I have a small subscription for Canada only, but I >>>> thought this was available to everyone. >>>> >>>> Bonnie >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe [email protected] from the list, please send an email >> to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 12/1/2006 >> 1:12 PM >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe [email protected] from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Nivard: So you're saying that there is NO Census images for Scotland? When I went into that section, I had clicked on Scotland, so I assumed there was something there. It said Free and I thought it was Free. Not so I guess, but I don't know why they would say that. I was looking for John Bell (born Ireland) c.1832 living in Stevenston, Ayrshire in 1861 OR still in Airdrie, Lanarkshire with wife Ann. I have the Ancestry subscription for Canada, to include Britain, it works out to about $400. Ridiculous price per person. Thanks if you can find him for me. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-RENFREW] 1851 & 1861 Scottish Census online @ ancestry > Hi Bonnie > > No you are doing nothing wrong, the transcriptions are part of the UK > subscription (no images in Scotland) > > If you let me know who it is you are wanting the transcription for I can > take a peek for you > > Remember 1841 has either born in County enumerated or Scotland if born out > of County enumerated in , 1851 and 1861 has the birthplace (given it was > on > the schedule of course) > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > > > > >> Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I put the same in the right place and >> then >> get at least one page ALL with the same name and to look at each one I >> have >> to click on a link (I forget what they're called) and when I do that, I >> get >> a page saying that I should buy a larger subscription, but I'm not >> allowed >> to see them. >> >> Maybe it's because I have a small subscription for Canada only, but I >> thought this was available to everyone. >> >> Bonnie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bonnie No you are doing nothing wrong, the transcriptions are part of the UK subscription (no images in Scotland) If you let me know who it is you are wanting the transcription for I can take a peek for you Remember 1841 has either born in County enumerated or Scotland if born out of County enumerated in , 1851 and 1861 has the birthplace (given it was on the schedule of course) Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I put the same in the right place and > then > get at least one page ALL with the same name and to look at each one I > have > to click on a link (I forget what they're called) and when I do that, I > get > a page saying that I should buy a larger subscription, but I'm not allowed > to see them. > > Maybe it's because I have a small subscription for Canada only, but I > thought this was available to everyone. > > Bonnie

Hi all Just a short note to relist my interests in Greenock. I am looking for any details on Duncan Clark born in Greenock Scotland. I have narrowed his parents down to 3 sets (from IGI & Scots People) but I really don't think any of them are the ones. I have his death certificate that states parents unknown, hence how I got his approx birthdate. I also searched for all Duncan CLARK's born about 20 years before his marriage date in 1841. Also because he was here getting married in July 1841, he would not be listed in the 1841 Scottish census This is the shortlist I have come up with - 31/12/1818 CLARK DUNCAN JOHN CLARK GRACE MCNAB FR727 M GREENOCK MIDDLE 564/01 0003 31/12/1820 CLARK DUNCAN JOHN CLARK MARY PAUL FR1295 M GREENOCK OLD OR WEST 564/03 005* 11/02/1821 CLARK DUNCAN JOHN CLARK AGNES MCKAY FR1296 M GREENOCK OLD OR WEST 564/03 005* He come to Australia abt 1839 or 1840 and I haven't been able to find a shipping record for him either - then he married in 1841 and had 10 children here in Victoria, Australia If anyone has a link to this man, I thought that by process of others eliminations, that I would be able to nail him down for certain, so if you are related to any of the above please let me know. Kindest regards Darlene Australia Always searching for EDGELL-PADFIELD-BERRYMAN-ELLERY-ASHMAN-ROBBINS-WILLIAMS-BURRATON in Somerset PATTERSON-BUIST-CLARK-MUIR-SHANKS-GAULD-MORTON-BEEDIE- DUMIGAN-MOWATT-BRUCE-McCHRISTIE in Scotland-STEPHENS in USA-BLIGHT in Cornwall-MARTIN in Denmark-FOLEY & BECKETT in London - KANE-McELVOGUE-FORREST in Ireland-CARLISLE-ELLIOT-KNOWLES in Notts _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: It's simple! Sell your car for just $20 at carsales.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588&_t=757768878&_r=endtext_simple&_m=EXT

Hello Judith, I cannot find a reference to a Ormrod Mill in the 1881 census but have found a Dunrod farm Inverkip. Please see below :- Dwelling: Dunrod Farm Census Place: Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203576 GRO Ref Volume 567-1 EnumDist 3 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William CLARK M 48 M Mearns, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 180 Acres 80 Are Arable Employing 2 Men 2 Girls Margaret CLARK M 43 F Eaglesham, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife Margaret CLARK U 12 F Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Janet CLARK 10 F Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Elizabeth CLARK 8 F Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John CLARK 6 M Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son William CLARK 4 M Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Son William SCOTT U 23 M Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Serv William WILSON U 17 M Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Serv Catherine HAMELL U 23 F Airdrie, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv Elizabeth MC NAINARROW U 21 F Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv Good luck, John Carswell Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Harper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: [SCT-RENFREW] Clarifying place names in Inverkip > I'm trying to clarify a place name in Inverkip, Renfrewshire. Can anyone > on the list please help? > > The place as we read it (documents from 1880s) is Ormrod Mill. But I > cannot find any other reference to Ormrod Mill anywhere. But I do see > note of a Dunrod Mill in Inverkip. > > Are we misreading or can anyone confirm an 'Ormrod Mill, Inverkip' at > that time. > > Any help greatly appreciated > > Judith Harper > NZ > > > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >