Thought I'd send this to the KKB list as well, as the book mentioned further below on the Black Douglases may interest people here too, considering Threave is in the area. Paul For those interested in pursuing this further, Scottish publisher Tuckwell Press (http://www.tuckwelpress.co.uk) has a book called "Scotland and the Low Countries, 1124- 1994", edited by Grant G. Simpson, ISBN 1 898410 75 5, 240 pages, illustrated, hardback £25. I haven't bought it yet, but I intend to, as the Flemish connection seems to have some bearing on my ancestors, as I believe is the case for many Scottish families (Fleming is a case in point). Apart from the Flemish first name Vedast turning up in the 15th century in my Grierson line, one of my sidelines (Philip Morison, minister in Dunscore and Balmaghie in the late 18th century)leads to Irons in the St Andrews area who apparently traced themselves back to Le Fer, i.e. iron. Speaking of Tuckwell Press ("... seriously Scottish"), they have a book called "The Black Douglases: War and Lordship in Late Medieval Scotland, 1300-1455" by Michael Brown. This one is also available in a more affordable paperback version for £16.99 (ISBN 1-86232-025-X, 256 pages). This is about the Earls of Douglas, who ruled Galloway from Threave Castle near what is now Castle Douglas, and should be of particular interest to anyone wanting to know more about the historical background of Dumfries & Galloway. It is relatively recent, 1998. I had a chance to look through it in the Ewart Library last year, and having now tracked down the publisher have put it on my Christmas list. It is also available on amazon.co.uk, as is the hardback for £30. Hope this is useful to someone. Best regards Paul (in Germany, where the sun is finally shining again after a month of cold!) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >From cell phone batteries to the E-Bike, Lee Iacocca (Ford Mustang, Caravan) has started a new solar energy revolution. Check it out at Big Planet and get your batteries or E-Bike online: http://tcc.mybigplanetusa.com. Or if you're getting solar energy directly by exposing yourself to the sun, get your skin protection online at: http://tcc.mynuskinusa.com and your antioxidants at http://tcc.mypharmanexusa.com! ***Look better Feel better Live better *** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: "kenneth.tomory" <[email protected]> An: <[email protected]> Gesendet: 28 September 2001 01:42 Betreff: Re: [D-G LIST] the name "Hans" Regarding the trading connection between Scotland and Holland, this lasted in substantial terms over at least 5 centuries. The position of Scotland was as main opponent to English power and was also mirrored by similar defensive alliances with France. Scots students frequently studied in Continental universities and trade was developed on the back of these friendly links. The European Community is not so very new as a concept. Best regards, ken tomory ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ To reach every member of the list : Send Email to ....... [email protected]